need opinions on a pc

robbyrobby Olympia, WA New
edited November 2004 in Hardware
I'm building this for a friend who wants to play games and surf the web. I think it's a nice machine, but some input/suggestion would be nice. The total cost with tax and shipping is 735.27 american dollars. opinions, suggestions?

Case Type: ATX Mid Tower
Color: Beige
Material: 0.8mm SECC
Drive Bays: 5.25" x 3/0, 3.5" x 2/2 (external/internal)
Expansion Slots: 7
Front Ports: 2 x USB
Power Supply: 300W
Cooling System: 1 x 80mm rear fan, fan duct
Motherboard Compatibility: ATX, mATX
Dimensions: 16.6" x 7.8" x 18.3"(HxWxD)

Samsung Beige DVD+/-RW Drive, Model SH-W08AEN, OEM
Specifications:
Write Speed: 8X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 8X DVD-R, 4X DVD-RW, 32X CD-R, 16X CD-RW
Read Speed: 8X DVD+R, 4.8X DVD+RW, 8X DVD-R, 4.8X DVD-RW, 2X DVD-RAM, 12X DVD-ROM, 40X CD-R, 24X CD-RW, 40X CD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2MB
OS Support: Windows XP/ 2000/ ME/ 98SE
Features: DVD-RAM Read

SAMSUNG 40GB 7200RPM Light and Slim IDE Hard Drive, Model SP0411N, OEM Drive only
Specifications:
Capacity: 40GB
Average Seek Time: 11 ms
Buffer: 2MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: IDE ULTRA ATA133
Features: Fluid Dynamic Bearing Spindle Motor Technology

SONY Beige 1.44MB 3.5Inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model MPF920, OEM
Specifications:
Capacity: 1.44MB
Average Access Time: 94 ms
Interface: 34 Pin Standard Floppy Connector
Form: 3.5 inch
Media Type: All Standard 1.44MB & 720KB 3.5 Floppy Diskettes

Apacer 184 Pin 256MB DDR PC-3200 - OEM
Chipset: AM1
Manufacturer: Apacer
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 3
Support Voltage: 2.5V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: 32M x 64 -Bit

3NET Internal 56K PCI Fax Modem, Model AMI-IA56 - Retail
Specifications:
Interface: PCI 2.1 and 2.2 compliant
Standards: V.92 and earlier ITU standards
Chipset: Intel
DTE Rate: 115200 bps maximum
Fax Speed: 14.4Kbps
PC Chips "M848ALU" SiS746 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL
Specifications:
Supported CPU: AMD Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron Processors
Chipset: SiS 746 + SiS 963L
FSB: 200/266/333MHz
RAM: 3x DIMM for DDR333/266/200 Max 3GB, 2GB Max for DDR400
IDE: 2x UltraDMA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI 32-bit, 1x CNR
Ports: 2xPS2,1xCOM,1xLPT,1xLAN,6xUSB2.0(Rear 4),Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: CMI9739A 6-Channel Audio
Onboard LAN: 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet
Form Factor: ATX

AMD Athlon XP 2400+ "Thoroughbred" 266 FSB, 256K Cache Processor - Retail
Specifications:
Model: AMD Athlon XP 2400+
Core: Thoroughbred
Operating Frequency: 2GHz
FSB: 266MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/256K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included)

SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON X600 PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-Bit, DVI/TV-Out, PCI Express, Model "587L"
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI Radeon X600 PRO/400MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/600MHz
BUS: PCI Express x16
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub) + TV-Out(S-Video) + DVI
Support 3D API: DirectX 9.0, OpenGL 1.5
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536

Rosewill Value Series 300W Dual Fan Power Supply for Intel and AMD systems, Model "RV300"
Specifications:
Type: ATX
Maximum Power: 300W
PFC: No
Efficiency: 70% Min. at full load
Over Voltage Protection: On all outputs
Input Voltage: 115/230V AC
Input Frequency Range: 60/ 50Hz
Input Current: 10A/6A
Output: +3.3V@28A, +5V@30A, -5V@0.3A, +12V@15A, -12V@0.8A, +5VSB@2A
MTBF: 100K hrs at 25ºC

ALTEC LANSING 2100 2.1 Speaker System -RETAIL
Specifications:
Configuration: 2.1
Power Output: 35 Watts RMS
Frequency Response: 40Hz - 20,000Hz(-10dB)
Signal to noise ratio: > 65 dB@ 1 KHZ INPUT
Remote: Wired

NEC/MITSUBISHI AS700 17" CRT Monitor -RETAIL
Specifications:
CRT Type: 17" (16.0" viewable), FST shadow Mask
Dot Pitch: 0.27 mm
Max / Optimal resolution: 1280x1024 @ 66 Hz / 1024x768 @ 85 Hz
Frequency: fh: 30~70kHz; fv: 50~160Hz
Features: anti-static screen coating, anti-glare, anti- reflection
Dimensions & Weight: 15.7" x 15.6" x 16.5" (WxHxD) / 31.1 lbs

Microsoft Optical Mouse by S+ARCK (Orange) USB - RETAIL
Specifications:
Interface: USB
Number Of Buttons: 3x Buttons + 1x Wheel
Optical/Ball: Optical

Aopen KB-858 Keyboard PS2 107keys

Comments

  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    You can't use that video card. It's PCI Express and your mobo is AGP.
  • robbyrobby Olympia, WA New
    edited November 2004
    think you could suggest one for me?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Radeon 9800 Pro can be had cheaply, the GeForce 6800 GT is sincerely better, but nearly twice as much.
  • robbyrobby Olympia, WA New
    edited November 2004
    cool, I ll check it out now
    did you check out my friends live mixing tonight?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Nope. Not a fan of live mixing. :)
  • robbyrobby Olympia, WA New
    edited November 2004
    think this might work? http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-382&depa=0
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited November 2004
    Got a link to the case?
  • robbyrobby Olympia, WA New
    edited November 2004
    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=11-108-312&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited November 2004
    Couple things:
    1. The power supply that comes with that case is better than the one you're buying
    2. That case & PSU (EITHER PSU) is not likely to be able to handle that system, from a thermal standpoint or a power standpoint.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited November 2004
    Oh, and also... the video performance with that card is going to be really, really poopy.

    //EDIT
    One more thing I just saw; PC Chips mobos are just about the worst you can get. :-/

    //EDIT 2
    You might consider different RAM; CL3 is awfully slow.

    //EDIT 3
    A hard drive with an 8MB buffer might be a good idea...
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    PC Chips motherboards feature:

    Poor Tech support.

    Uneven quality, from just below fair (and good is better than fair, imho-- my word grading scale for mobos is Excellent, Good, Fair, Bad, Lemon) to pure lemon, within same model, for the BEST track record models of PC Chips mobos.

    Abit, Asus, MSI, some FIC, definitely Tyan, all better.

    Unless the PC Chips boards were less than $10.00 I would not buy a motherboard from them.
  • JimboraeJimborae Newbury, Berks, UK New
    edited November 2004
    Why the sark mouse? they are usually over priced & no better that a normal ms optical mouse. Personally I think they are ugly as sin as well.

    For a case you might like to look at the Antec SLK3700, comes with a decent 350w psu, Geeky has his own opinions about this case (no offence meant Geeky) but for normal use I think its great value.

    For motherboards I agree you can do alot better than PCchips, boody awful quality. Abit are good but you pay abit more.
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    I think since you mentioned gaming I would go more this route and add a good monitor and go with Logitech KB and mouse. If price is too high then we can adjust from there.

    From Newegg
    ANTEC Black Performance Series II SOHO File Server Tower ATX Case with 400W Power Supply, Model "SX1040BII"
    Item# N82E16811129120


    ABIT "NF7-S" nForce2 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL
    Item# N82E16813127166


    AMD Mobile Athlon XP 2600+, 266 MHz FSB, 512K L2 Cache Processor,45 Watt - OEM
    Item# N82E16819103436


    Thermalright Heatsink for AMD Athlon XP Palamino, Thoroughbred, Barton 2800+ CPUs, Model "SI-97" -RETAIL
    Item# N82E16835109120


    Sunon 92 X 92 X 25mm Case fan, Model "KD1209PTB2"
    Item# N82E16811999002


    Corsair Value Select 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail
    Item# N82E16820145026 ***


    SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9600XT Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "ATLANTIS RADEON 9600XT" OEM Lite Box
    Item# N82E16814102338 *****


    Hitachi 80GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model HDS722580VLSA80, OEM
    Item# N82E16822145049


    NEC 16X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive, Black, Model ND-3500A BK, OEM
    Item# N82E16827152032


    SONY Black 16X DVD-ROM Drive, Model DDU1613/B2s, OEM
    Item# N82E16827101124


    NEC 1.44MB Black Internal Floppy Drive, OEM
    Item# N82E16821152005


    Total $ 677.73 US Dollars

    *** I WENT WITH THIS TO SAVE SOME CASH BUT HAVE HAD EXCELLENT SUCCESS WITH IT AT BETTER THAN RATED SETTINGS.

    ***** THIS WAS SELECTED AS NEWEGG DID NOT HAVE AN INEXPENSIVE 9800 PRO IN STOCK BUT STILL WANTED TO KEEP A DECENT LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE AT A LOWER COST.
  • robbyrobby Olympia, WA New
    edited November 2004
    Geeky, what case or psu would you reccomend. BTW, he would really like to keep this system under 800 bucks, preferably around 750. And thanks for al the help everyone.
  • robbyrobby Olympia, WA New
    edited November 2004
    mtgoat wrote:
    I think since you mentioned gaming I would go more this route and add a good monitor and go with Logitech KB and mouse. If price is too high then we can adjust from there.


    I put in the same items on newegg, double checked, and got a total of 737.71 :-/

    After adding a monitor, it will be way more than he is willing to spend. He wants to keep it below 800, preferably around 750. Anyway we could drop the price a bit?
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    robby wrote:
    I put in the same items on newegg, double checked, and got a total of 737.71 :-/

    After adding a monitor, it will be way more than he is willing to spend. He wants to keep it below 800, preferably around 750. Anyway we could drop the price a bit?
    I didn't add shipping so that could be the diff. I went all out on the mobo, CPU and HSF so you could sub;

    MSI "K7N2 Delta2-LSR" NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL

    Model# K7N2 DELTA2-LSR
    Item # N82E16813130475 $63.00 + $5.00

    instead of the NF7-S ($79.50 + $2.00) and save $13.50.

    Then sub;

    AMD Sempron 2400+ 1.667GHz, Socket A Processor - Retail

    Model# SDA2400BOX
    Item # N82E16819104210 $60.00 (Free Shipping)

    instead of the XP2600-M ($97.00 + $1.00) and save $48.00, then you would not need the HSF listed above and save another ($40.00 + $6.00). Then drop the burner and save another $69.00. Then sub;

    Maxtor 40GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model 6E040L0, OEM Drive only

    Model# 6E040L0
    Item # N82E16822140133 $47.00 + $3.00

    instead of the 80GB SATA drive ($60.00/ Free Shipping) and save $10.00. Then you would be $186.00 cheaper for roughly $551 shipped but it would not be as good. On the brighter side it would still be a good system knock the socks off what you originally had listed. You could probably work out the rest if he wanted to upgrade anything else.
  • robbyrobby Olympia, WA New
    edited November 2004
    thanks alot, man! :thumbsup:
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited November 2004
    lemme poke around and see what I come up with... after I wash the car and stuff.
  • robbyrobby Olympia, WA New
    edited November 2004
    just out of curiosity, would this case work?
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-182-043&depa=0
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    robby wrote:
    just out of curiosity, would this case work?
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-182-043&depa=0
    YUK!!! :(

    There is no cooling capability and the PSU sucks.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Bear with us, Robby. We'll get you where you need to go. It may sound like we're just all from the Negative or NoWay families; but we just want you to get something that will fit your needs and be the best performer for the money.
  • robbyrobby Olympia, WA New
    edited November 2004
    Much appreciated.
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