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I realize how firmly you're dug in, though. Your opinion is noted and I, for one, respect your decision. ;)
Even if Goomba is enabled by each individual, that could still make or break the experience for everyone else on his or her team. What if a heavy is defending a point and gets stomped? What if a pyro that's been spy-checking the final point gets stomped?
I could come up with a treasure trove of examples to illustrate how voluntarily activation can still compromise and/or totally change the ebb and flow of a game for everyone involved.
Goomba stomping is not the same as criticals or backstabs. It's also categorically dissimilar to being killed by a sniper, or any other natural event of the game. Making sarcastic, fallacious (weak/false analogy anyone?) statements to defend an obvious decision just makes you look foolish.
//EDIT: Asking "what could go wrong?" or "there's support on both sides, why SHOULDN'T we do it?" is a burden of proof fallacy. Rather than asking people to defend against the plugin, supporters should be working to prove why it should be enabled. "Some people want new gameplay" doesn't fly, either: Appeal to Novelty.
You can create hypothetical situations where a single stomp could affect the game and to someone who has never played on a server with it its a big and scary change, even if a small minority are doing it.
However, those of us who have played with the plugin know it does not alter gameplay in any noticeable way, even on servers where stomp is enabled for everyone. In the time I've played on 2f2f (easily more than a couple hundred hours over the last few years), I have never seen a stomp make a difference outside of arena, where a death carries a much heavier consequence. I'm sorry I can't create a logically impervious argument to support that fact.
Turn it on for a couple hours, drink a beer, have a few laughs, then if a few valued community members say, that was fun and all, but I've had enough, then you can turn it off.
I still think the opt in/opt out is just to appease a few people that perhaps take their TF2 a little too seriously. Like I said, I am kind of with Lynx on my preferred brand of TF2, I think its a great game pure, as it is, but once again guys, its just a game, if someone is kind enough to take a little time out of their lives to moderate that server, and they say, guess what everybody, I wanna try Goomba Stomp for an hour, just to see how it plays, guess what, they turn it on, and you give it a fair shake. Is it fun, does it ruin it, who knows until everyone gets together and plays it a little. This is why we game on PC, we can do this crazy stuff just for kicks, again, because ITS ONLY A GAME.
It's certainly more effective than how I try to prove a point.
Scratch, Candle, and I play on 2fort2furious (which has goomba stomping) and it's a complete blast. Even if you die to a goomba stomp, it's not some infuriating situation, it's always something to laugh about. Judging from playing in Icrontic quite a bit, it seems like that's more what the server is about. If there are serious players, who are really raging behind their computers whenever they die, don't enable it. Whenever I play, I don't care who on my team dies... the more people that die, the less people there are to take kills from me. :)
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Alright, I get it.
Its removed, never to be seen again~
/neckbeardrage
My point was simply that, without even trying it on the server, you declined it. And those who really made it their point to show their disinterest aren't really on the server all that often. Here I always assumed that, if you were paying for a server, you'd want to try some new things now and then to maybe make it popular and get your money's worth. It's not as if giving it a shot would have hurt your player base. A couple hours to test out what Scratch put many more hours of work into wouldn't have done any harm... Declining it after that test would have been completely understandable. Those who approved or disapproved after trying it, I have no problem with that.
:shakehead
Shall we put up a public poll and say for it/indifferent vs against? Ultimately, democracy always leaves somebody unhappy, but meh.
I deleted the plugin and the work I've done on it. When I said its never to be seen again, I meant exactly that.