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BuddyJBuddyJ Dept. of PropagandaOKC Icrontian
edited May 2012 in Gaming
I know @drasnor plays, and it seems like there are quite a few other EVE addicts around. Who else plays? What do you do? Where do you roam?

As for me, I have a single character currently. He's pretty much a carebear miner in/around Haatomo. Just got my Hulk. Been running missions too to break up the boredom. Doing Lv2s currently. 5.2 million skill points so far.

I have the following ships:
Hulk
Dominix
Noctis
Catalyst
Iteron Mk3
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  • TushonTushon I'm scared, Coach Dallas Icrontian
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    That is all I have to say about that.
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  • BuddyJBuddyJ Dept. of Propaganda OKC Icrontian
    Your contribution to this thread has been noted.

  • TushonTushon I'm scared, Coach Dallas Icrontian
    It's more that I imagine I would get horribly sucked in to that game and want to not do that. Bumping it up for visibility to the other EVE players, I can do.
  • IlriyasIlriyas Magician, Sunbro, Grossly Incandescent Toronto, Ontario Icrontian
    edited Feb 2012
    Is this game free to play? Or is it another subscription based game? I've wanted to play this for awhile considering that it's really similar to the X series (Or at least looks like it is) course from what I'm hearing it's a lot more complicated.

    EDIT: ah nevermind, and what Plex is literally the equivalent of real money that's hilarious I can see a lot of problems shipping that around.
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    ... Your edit didn't make any sense.

    Plex is not real money (you can get banned for real money trading). Plex can be purchased with real money, used to extend your account by a month and it can be bought/sold for in-game money (isk), thus allowing you to play the game "for free" by spending isk on Plex. If you, as a player, sell plex for real money though, you run the risk of CCP ruining your day.

    I play Eve. I have a high sec alt that does Planetary Interaction (yay easy slow trickle of money) some industry and a little bit of low level missioning when I'm terribly bored. I also have a null sec character in Dreddit. It does a bit of this and that.
  • IlriyasIlriyas Magician, Sunbro, Grossly Incandescent Toronto, Ontario Icrontian
    edited Feb 2012
    Alright what I mean is that it can be purchased with real money and can then be traded within EVE. Effectively if something happens to a shipment (Like say being blown up) you are losing real cash. (Analogy: You take dollars and convert them into another form of currency, now lets say you are robbed despite the conversion you are still losing the original equivalent.)

    Now back into EVE terms you pay lets say $50 for PLEX and the shipment is stolen or blown up even though it is an in game currency you are still losing $50

  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    That's why you don't ship Plex around if you can avoid it at all.

    If you're going to sell your Plex, make sure your character is already at the station where you plan on selling it. Then log out of the game buy the Plex, redeem it for your character and it will be in your hanger, safe and sound, ready to be placed on the market. If you plan on using a Plex to extend your game time, you just use it as soon as you buy it, while you're still in a station.

    Unless you're doing something like buying a bunch of Plex in one solar system and transporting them to another solar system to sell at a markup, you shouldn't ever leave a station with a Plex in your cargohold.
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    Saw a killmail with 36 PLEX losses before... Idiot was carrying them in a shuttle. 18bn isk loss in one go.
    I've been playing solidly for about 9-12 months, started 3 years ago but only did a month or two here and there. I run a C2 wormhole for/with my corp, do the odd lowsec/WH roam, run incursions, do PI, that sort of stuff. Started off as a miner then changed to combat for incursions so my skills are a bit wonky, levelling them out at the moment. Have got a few ships and isk but I'd be peen waving if I listed them :p That being said, on the scale of things its nothing really.
    You can lose PLEX while shipping them, but that's the beauty and the horror of the game. It's unashamedly dog eat dog. CCP's motto is basically Tough ****
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Detroit, MI Icrontian
    Wait, so how much real world money is 36 PLEX?

    Are you saying that your in-game items that are worth real-world cash can be lost or stolen in-game? That's fucking hardcore. Awesome.
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    They can. And 36 PLEX is worth about $400 if I'm not mistaken.
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    36 plex is 719.64 (at full retail price, you get discounts for buying more than one at the same time though).

    That said, in-game items don't REALLY have real world value. If you get caught caught selling in-game goods for real money (aka RMTing) you will get banned (or just have all your isk taken from you)
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    edited Feb 2012
    I am mistaken. Its a lot more. If you use two bulk buy deals its 40 PLEX for $905

    EDIT - I've been converting from Euros; prices for EUR and USD are the same, so after conversion EU pays more
  • IlriyasIlriyas Magician, Sunbro, Grossly Incandescent Toronto, Ontario Icrontian
    Wait, so how much real world money is 36 PLEX?

    Are you saying that your in-game items that are worth real-world cash can be lost or stolen in-game? That's fucking hardcore. Awesome.
    I know right? That was what I thought. Told my father about it cause it sort of relates to his job. He said that it's an amazing marketing scheme, and that the idea of a person potentially losing 1000s of dollars to a video game amuses him greatly.
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    edited Feb 2012
    Aye, though fortunately you're only liable to lose thousands of dollars if you buy and immediately lose several years of subscription time :p

    I do try and think of it as real money, though, keeps me on my toes. The real killer is loss of time over money, though. I can make a billion in a day if I work hard over 24 hours, and lose it in a few seconds, which made that entire day a complete waste. As I said, its a killer game but worth it.

    For EVE and non-EVE players, I would *seriously* recommend the Clarion Call series by Rooks and Kings alliance (download the .mkv where possible):

    Part 1.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20F3n6wHsbA

    Part 2.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwql_Sp0QG8

    Part 3.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrYe_4vHzgE&feature=channel_video_title

    Most of the terminology is explained as you go or can be inferred.

    Was on a nullsec roam with my alliance and we actually got hotdropped (somebody dropped a beacon and capital ships locked on and warped in) by Rooks and Kings. It was like getting forcibly penetrated by celebrities. Wonderful stuff.
    http://youtu.be/-_8kS7kDp5Q
  • Church4252Church4252 K-Pop authority™, Gundam Meister Madison Heights, MI Icrontian
    I used to play Eve, till my ship took a rocket to the cockpit....
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    For those interested in how PLEX works, see http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/30_Day_Concord_Pilot_License_Extension

    Buying a single PLEX with USD is 19.95. You get discounts for buying multiple packs of PLEX (28 PLEX is 489.86 USD). Of course, if you just pay for your account with an automatically billed credit card or PayPal account, it's 14.95 per month to play... less if you have a recurring subscription for more than 1 month at the same time. You can't turn your months into isk if you do this though.
  • BuddyJBuddyJ Dept. of Propaganda OKC Icrontian
    Example of the beauty of PLEX.

    I usually mine to make money in game. Roughly 10 million ISK / hour is what I could do a few weeks ago while I was training for my Hulk, a mining ship that'll easily double my income rate. Problem is, the ship costs over 200 million ISK by the time you buy it and outfit it with the right equipment. That's a heck of a way to go when you only have 60 million in the bank and haven't had time to grind out the rest.

    I considered how long it'd take to make up that money in game and realized it'd be a pretty boring month. While considering all this, my favorite ship (1600mm plate Vexor) got blown up because I got a big dick and decided I could kill all the enemy ships in Recon Lv2 Part 1. PLEX to the rescue. I purchased 2 PLEX, sold them in Jita and came out with 1.3 billion ISK to my name.

    Instead of grinding for 2 months, I paid the equivalent of their subscriptions and was able to get my Hulk and my Dominix, and I still have ISK left over for when they get blown up!

    My goal is to get to where I have enough in-game income that I can /q my recurring subscription and play for free.

    @ardichoke Do you like flying with Dreddit?

    I really want to fly with a more-active corp. My corp is just my co-workers and some friends, but most of them aren't playing currently because they've been lured away to SWTOR or Rifts.
  • drasnordrasnor Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    I'm not planning to renew my EVE subscription when it goes up for renewal in April. All my RL friends stopped playing and going out to try random corp roulette is singularly unappealing.
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    @buddyj yeah, I like flying with them. It's not for everyone though. Some of them can be pretty offensive at times, but on the whole they're mostly a good group to play with. Since it's a 2000+ player corp in a 5000+ player alliance, it can be hard to keep up with everything that's going on at times. There's something for pretty much everyone though, which is nice. Also, we just got our first titan kill without support from any other alliance recently. It was pretty awesome.
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    edited Feb 2012
    How active is more-active, BuddyJ? My corp's recruiting and we've got a fairly even EU-US split, CEO's a buddy of mine of a few years. There's 4-8 of us (people, not accounts :p) who are on daily, and most of us run multiple accounts. We're beginning to run nightly (or close enough) wormhole/lowsec raids, and do anything from WH ops to low/nullsec roams with the alliance on a regular basis. Is really friendly and tight-nit, though the CEO and one of the directors like dwarf porn jokes. Forewarned. We're small but getting there, though you might be a looking for something bigger still. What sort of SP are you sitting on? Never mind, learnificated to read. Same to you, drasnor, if you're interested. The more the merrier.

    EDIT:
    Forgot incursions, missions, industry and exploration
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    Titan kill? Yeah? We've been mining before. Sleep on it.

    *head desks*
  • drasnordrasnor Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    I don't have much PvP experience but I'd love to fly with you sometime. I've been on a nullsec roam twice ever. I lived in lowsec for a month one time in a Russian-controlled area. I hardly ever saw anyone during my normal playtimes and only ever got into two 1v1 fights (1-1). I have a 63M SP toon and a 24M SP toon on one account.
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    Holy crap thems is some nice SP. My CEO's sitting around 75m and we just recruited somebody in the mid 60s, so somebody with your experience would be most welcome. What sort of stuff do you do? I'm Harudath in-game if you want to get in contact. A couple of us are doing incursion blitzes at the moment, though as I said there are other things going on as well. What happens depends on who's on really.

    I don't have much PvP experience personally, but our glorious leader has been playing since '03 and a couple others for several years with PvP experience so they can generally tell a person about anything.
  • drasnordrasnor Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited Feb 2012
    I operated a high-sec research POS for a couple of years. Both toons are more or less tuned for mission running and industry. The high-SP toon is Caldari and can fly any Caldari ship T2-fitted except capitals, black ops, and interdictors. She can fly a T2-fitted Hulk/Mack, anchor a POS in 0.6 Amarr and 0.7 Caldari, solo L4s, fit T2 codebreaker/analyzer/salvager, probe down anything, and basically do whatever I want. Combat specialty is shield tanking with missiles and drones but is almost as good with hybrid guns.

    The other one I've been playing more often because I can get a feeling of advancement playing her. The low-SP toon is Gallente and was originally going to be a mining/industrial alt but became a mission runner as well because it pays better. She can fly most Gallente sub-BS T2 and operate a POS in all regards. She'll be able to fly a T2-fitted Hulk next month. Combat specialty is shield buffered armor tanking with drones and hybrids.

    I'm not sure if I'll be able to play tonight but I'll see you in game if I can.
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    You're going to make a fellow director wet his panties with glee :p He's just started really getting into research/mining/indy in general. Was hoping to do it in high sec but we don't have the standings
  • drasnordrasnor Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    Follow-up: I joined Harudath's corp and hope to be making beaucoups of ISK doing incursions soon. Also, one of his corp mates sent an alt over to my industrial corp and is hopefully going to make some serious ISK over there too.
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    Isdredditdeadyet made me die inside. Though there were indications that it was done on a test server, so im a little dubious unless its a well documented event. I know little about eve politics
    Drasnor and his buddy are fitting in well, its always nice to get new members, especially guys you know. Afaik we're all doing incursions tonight, 2300 eve time. Woop.

    BuddyJ, do you still mine/are you in a mining group? Corp mate is looking to hire
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    that's kinda the point.... guy offered a bounty on destroying dreddit, our CEO faked it and got the bounty.
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    I keep replying via my phone and the comments aren't being saved. Poop. I said something along the lines of aah, that makes sense and +rep for resourcefulness :p
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    I bought a recent issue of EON Magazine, EVE's official magazine and there is a section on scams and alliance thefts. Thought you might find this interesting - they did a top-ten sort of thing, and in total about $143,000 was stolen - those are just the ones that had a real-life value estimation. There is another trillion isk or so that was not valued.

    Online spaceships is srs bsns.
  • MrTRiotMrTRiot Icrontian
    I haven't played EVE since they switched the skill system around. I used to run around in a cyclone and gank people...
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    What was it like previously?
  • MrTRiotMrTRiot Icrontian
    Skills were gained over real time, if you were online or offline. It was a death wish if you went into sectors that didn't have high security. Gate ganking was all the rage.

    The alliances that were at the top had massive ships that required over a year of skill training to pilot and when one was destroyed it was BIG news.

  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    That's how things still are. Skill training is realtime, online or offline and it takes years (realistically) to get to the supercapitals.
    Lowsec and nullsec are still a deathwish. I don't know whether titan loss is big news as I'm stuck in carebear/wormhole land but they're still important iirc.
  • MrTRiotMrTRiot Icrontian
    I thought they did a massive revamp of the skills system?
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    I thought they did a massive revamp of the skills system?
    The only revamp that I'm aware of is that they got rid of the "Learning" skills and gave everyone additional attribute points to make up for it.

    Lowsec and nullsec are still a deathwish. I don't know whether titan loss is big news as I'm stuck in carebear/wormhole land but they're still important iirc.
    They're really not a deathwish at all if you know what you're doing. Yes, gatecamps can suck if done right, but they're very possible to escape with a good fit.

    Titan loss doesn't happen much, because it's rare that people take their Titans outside of a friendly POS these days anyway except in the case of massive alliance battles. This is especially true since CCP nerfed supercaps (some). I've heard Titans referred to as "giant space coffins" more than once as people basically train up, get into one, then just sit there in it forever.
  • MrTRiotMrTRiot Icrontian
    edited Feb 2012
    Huh, that sucks. The best skills I had were learning ones lol.....

    I'll prob jump into the game again at some point if there's people to group with???

    edit: If anyone has an invite code, I'll just make a new account
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    They reimbursed you the SP you had in learning so you can choose where to allocate them. The SP wasn't lost just no longer applied.

    I can send you an extended 3 week trial code to an email address you choose, if you would like. Why wouldn't you use your old account, though?

    And I'm sure my corp would be happy to have you - we've taken on a couple newcomers recently so we've got our teaching hats on :p Drasnor can give you a more objective review than I can, though
  • MrTRiotMrTRiot Icrontian
    My old account was used with an e-mail address I no longer have access too. I'll PM you my e-mail address
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    Trial sent, I'm Harudath in game if you need me
  • SnarkasmSnarkasm 's-Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands Icrontian
    So I made the mistake of thinking about Eve and reading all night. I still have a lot of links queued up to read, but if you're still teaching, I might be up for some learnin'.
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    Ozzim. I can send you an extended three week trial if you like. I'm pleased to announce that myself, drasnor, MrTriot and soon BuddyJ will be all under one roof :p If you do sign up convo/message Zarosh Dugan about joining, or just search his name in-game, click on the corporation and then hit apply at the bottom - just mention me/Icrontic so he knows where you're from
  • SnarkasmSnarkasm 's-Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands Icrontian
    I think I'll take you up on that. Maybe send on Friday so I don't waste weekdays on it. :p
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    Sure, chuck me an email address when you're ready :p
  • BHHammyBHHammy Somewhere in Hell Icrontian
    I played for about a month with a friend about...4 years ago on a relatively crappy comp. I can't even remember what the name of my old account was, but whatever. The interface, for me, was insanely overwhelming and the tutorial was a bit confusing.

    I eventually just kinda got bored of it and moved on, since we didn't really have any direction or anything.

    I decided to pick it up again a couple of days ago and give the 14-day-trial a go, since now I have a dual-monitor setup (for occupying myself while waiting for things while not needing to alt-tab) and a much more suitable computer for the time. The game is pretty damn beautiful, and I'm actually kind of happy that you're given the impression of doing a bit more with your character than just setting up a static portrait (even if you don't seem able to take him/her anywhere walking besides that one room).

    The UI and the tutorials seem much easier to digest this time around. Maybe I wasn't doing things properly before, or they've made jumps in the controls, but it really -feels- a lot easier to use from what I remember.

    I've always had a bit of respect for EVE Online. It's a game that is pretty much literally run by the players themselves, and the game can be pretty damn high-stakes. It's all about risk/reward, who you know, what you know, and even having business savvy. You invest a lot of your personal time into the game to churn out these things ingame, and that makes it so that you get a very real sense of investment in the things you acquire along the way. When you get a ship, there's a real feeling of accomplishment. when you lose that ship out of someone's sneakiness, your own stupidity, or just plain misfortune, there's real significant weight behind it.

    It's a game that's a lot more...-real- than people realize, I've come to find.

    Thus far, I'm having fun, but I'm a bit worried about my options to upgrade to a full account once my trial time is up. I have no access to a paypal or a card to pay for things online, and we apparently don't have anything around here that's selling the physical box sets of the game (even our local Gamestop is currently out). It's kind of bothersome that they don't have the physical gametime cards anymore, but I guess they don't have a huge enough playerbase to really warrant them.

    I'm looking into a short-term solution for now, and one longterm one, but any suggestions would be helpful.
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    Long-term you can easily pay a subscription for several accounts by flying incursion fleets, which fund my four accounts without that much effort, provided I'm consistent with it. You can start doing these in about one month to five weeks after starting if your skill training is well directed.

    Short term there isn't much you can do without access to high(ish) in-game income or buying a GTC/PLEX/subscription outside the game - my guess would be to ask a buddy to perhaps buy one of these for you or use somebody else's payment details temporarily and pay them back however is appropriate for your situation.

    Good luck either way
  • BHHammyBHHammy Somewhere in Hell Icrontian
    By the way, if you're looking for new people, i do believe I'm going to be jumping into this game and hanging around. There's enough here to get me to stay interested, as long as I can get my hands on a box set or something after I get paid either this week or the next.

    Look up "Barohil Hampton" ingame.
  • HarudathHarudath Great Britain Icrontian
    We're always looking for new people - you're more than welcome to join the corp I'm in, we have more than a few Icrontians now :p Though I'm afraid I can't send invites, you need to find us and click apply, though if you mention me/you're from Icrontic you'll get in fine :p Have sent you a mail in game
  • TushonTushon I'm scared, Coach Dallas Icrontian
    Three week trial, can has?
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