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1.2.X Discussion

BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats !SoCal Icrontian
edited Mar 2012 in Minecraft
1.2.4 is out: http://www.mojang.com/2012/03/minecraft-patched-to-1-2-4/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/r8ifs/minecraft_patched_to_124/

Lots of Multiplayer fixes! Keep in mind our server will be updating soon! You will need to update your launchers with it.

-Digi
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  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    Bukkit has finally promoted a 1.2 compatible build to stable status. DO NOT rush out and update your clients though. You see, during their update to 1.2, they cleaned up and optimized a lot of code in bukkit, and in the API. In doing so, they broke just about every plugin we run on the server. Almost none of the plugins have been updated so far to be bukkit 1.2 compatible. I am keeping my eye on the situation and will update the server as soon as possible. Right now, however, the waiting game continues. Keep an eye on the Official Server Changelog thread as I post all updates there.
  • midgamidga "There's so much hot dog in Rome" ~digi (> ^.(> O_o)> Icrontian
    Yeah, getting the MC modding community to actually work together and with Mojangles would be reeeeeeally nice...
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! SoCal Icrontian
    Looks like we may be in for the long haul guys. Some of the plug-ins that we rely on either don't have updates in the foreseeable future or have been stopped being developed all together. There are a few viable options that are possibilities in the future. I am open to everyone's thoughts on the situation, though please keep in mind it is more administrative stuff that is the problem. If we were to upgrade to the current stable build of 1.2.x then we would loose the ability to both investigate and rollback any issues. Suggesting that we go on would be suggesting that we have a free for all server. If there are issues, no one would be able to help resolve it in an orderly fashion.

    -Digi
  • midgamidga "There's so much hot dog in Rome" ~digi (> ^.(> O_o)> Icrontian
    I'd have to know more about the plugins before I could vote.
  • TushonTushon I'm scared, Coach Dallas Icrontian
    I'd have to know more about the plugins before I could vote.
    Deleted your 3 extra posts
  • midgamidga "There's so much hot dog in Rome" ~digi (> ^.(> O_o)> Icrontian
    Thanks....I was using my phone, and as far as I knew it never registered a post.
  • TushonTushon I'm scared, Coach Dallas Icrontian
    No worries. Figured it wasn't on purpose :P

    Regarding the server: I'm pretty sure going free-for-all would be not be in the best interest of community
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    Basically, the biggest issue is that LogBlock (which logs all block creation/destruction to a MySQL database and lets us roll things back, also it's what allows me to generate the neat web stats) has been abandoned by its developer due to the fact that they stopped playing Minecraft about 5 months ago. It looks like some other community members have picked up development, but I'm not sure how quickly they're progressing or if the code they are producing is stable at this point.
  • midgamidga "There's so much hot dog in Rome" ~digi (> ^.(> O_o)> Icrontian
    Is LogBlock the only thing that would stop functioning? Also, I read it might still be working, and there are 1.2 servers listed as running it (though I realize that doesn't necessarily mean it's running functionally). You gotten a chance to set up a test environment for it?
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    I attempted the update at one point, at least one of the plugins caused massive failure and I'm pretty sure it was LogBlock. There are some nightly builds of LogBlock that allegedly support the latest stable bukkit, but they're nightly builds... I don't exactly trust them.

    Also, there's more than just LogBlock that is outdated. Pretty much every plugin we run hasn't been updated in quite some time. LogBlock is just the most important one.
  • ZanthianZanthian Mitey Worrier Milford, OH Icrontian
    But the cats...
  • GorzoGorzo Columbus, OH
    edited Apr 2012
    Minecraft is now out to 1.2.5. We are still running 1.1.0. To be honest, I'm not really sure what the difference is between a 'stable' status build is versus an on-time release, but we're getting so far behind that I'm beginning to think that our plugins are not worth it. We save regular backups (every 24 hours if I'm not mistaken), and bobby is a regular and capable admin, so I guess i'm having trouble seeing the fear of using new content without the slew of protective plugins.

    I just feel that by keeping up to date, not only will we have more to play with and miss out on less, we'll also have more appeal to players. We're not going to grow or attract new players when we are 4 versions (or more) behind. We will lose players instead. Is it worth it? What does the server gain by staying so far behind?

    Just my 2 cents.
  • TushonTushon I'm scared, Coach Dallas Icrontian
    The slew of protective plugins being what allows him to do that productive admin-ing. Part of this problem will go away when bucket finishes their team integration into Mojang and then it will only be on devs to keep up with the overall updates.
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    edited Apr 2012
    Believe me, I want to play with the new version as much as anyone. I'm working with Bobby to come up with a solution that will allow us to upgrade as soon as possible. I assure you, it will happen as soon as we have an acceptable solution. Until then, I'm sorry but you'll just have to be patient.

    Also, there is not a "slew" of protective plugins. There are 2 critical ones, and due to developer burnout 1 of them hasn't been updated in 5 months. Other developers took it over recently, but they haven't had much time to get things up to date with the massive changes in v1.2 bukkit.

    In summation:
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  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! SoCal Icrontian
    An acceptable resolution has presented itself and Ardichoke will be proceeding with the Update tomorrow night. The server will be down for a while during this process.

    Thank You again for your patience. Hold on for the ride!

    What is everyone most looking forward to in the update?

    -Digi
  • UPSLynxUPSLynx The Dean of Computer Graphics Redwood City, CA Icrontian
  • IlriyasIlriyas Magician, Sunbro, Grossly Incandescent Toronto, Ontario Icrontian
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    I'm really sorry people, but the upgrade is going to be pushed off til tomorrow. I expected to get home waaaay earlier than we did tonight and I am simply whipped. Sunrise service is a bitch.
  • GorzoGorzo Columbus, OH
    Thank you guys for doing all this crap to find us an upgrade solution. We really do appreciate it! No worries Ardi; tomorrow is still sooner than I think any of us were expecting a solution to be found, take your time!
  • d3k0yd3k0y Loveland, OH Member
    I know there is a utility that allows for partial backups to be made frequently without eating a ton of space.

    I use(d) it on the server I run (ran) for a long time. I had it set to do a full sized backup every 24 hours of the server and also a partial backup every 5 minutes. After the the full backup was done, the 5 minute backup only saved the changes done in the time between itself and last update whether it was the full update or another partial. That way you could roll back to any 5 minute period on the server and it only took roughly double the space of a normal backup.

    Granted I am not sure how big Icrontic's map file is since mine was private for about 10 people or so, but I never reached over 100 megs. So I was looking at about 2 gigs of map data at any given time, as I liked to keep the last week of files at any given point.

    The utility also lets you backup the entire minecraft folder, not just the map file. Plugins, settings, player data and all.

    So if your worry is being able to just revert to a previous save easily, this could be a good solution. If you want to be able to revert specific player actions over a period of time, that is another thing.
  • UPSHitmanUPSHitman The Big Nasty Indianapolis, Indiana Icrontian
    This update is going to be sweet. Thanks Digi and Ardi!
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    The server has been updated and is converting the map to the new format as we speak.

    @d3k0y I already have a custom system in place to do backups daily. That was never the concern. The concern was 1) accountability - backups don't tell you WHO dynamited someones building and replaced with with a giant obsidian cock. 2) backups only allow you to roll back the whole map to the previous backup, the admin tools we have allow us to roll back only specific changes to a time we specify. They are much more precise.

    I am not an incompetent admin (as some of you seem to think). I generally know what I'm doing.
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! SoCal Icrontian
  • ErrorNullTurnipErrorNullTurnip Illinois Icrontian
    I, for one, applaud the work of our server overlords. Thanks ardichoke!
  • d3k0yd3k0y Loveland, OH Member
    @ardichoke That is what I figured the discussion was for, but I wasn't positive. Figured I would throw that out there just in case that wasn't the case.

    Either way I am looking forward to the update, need to finally finish my boat.
  • CantiCanti =/= smalltime http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9K18CGEeiI&feature=related Icrontian
    What is everyone most looking forward to in the update?

  • We have discovered a jungle biome and set up a small fishing hut at -195, -4340. Many cats have been found and tamed already.
  • AlexDeGruvenAlexDeGruven Not as tall as Bobby Tallbeer. Twilight Sparkle is overrated. Meechigan Icrontian
    So when will "Canti's Cat Fountain v1.0" be operational?
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! SoCal Icrontian
    So many changes:

    We should not need to use Snowballs on the Blaze grinder anymore.

    I'll work on redesigning the Zombie Grinder so we can swipe at their feet.
    We have discovered a jungle biome and set up a small fishing hut at -195, -4340. Many cats have been found and tamed already.
    Do make sure to share (ie: if you have a couple already, give others a chance to get a couple before you clear the Jungle of them). From what I understand they spawn similar to other passive mobs and will not respawn.

    NOTE: Cats are loud and annoying. Keep this in mind when you are parking your cats. Canti is a special case (We know this). We will have to see how The House Of Cats goes.

    -Digi
  • GorzoGorzo Columbus, OH
    Another jungle was found on our way back from the other jungle. It is untouched as of yet, and the one we were in was huge and is sure to have more cats about (we only took enough need to start breeding them).

    2nd jungle is at: -250, -3200.

    another note: Jungle redwood trees produce shit for saplings. Don't expect to get more than 1 sapling out of a tree. You probably won't.
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! SoCal Icrontian
    ...you can breed cats?

    Never mind about that then. If you breed tame cats are the babies "tied" to you?

    -Digi
  • yeah they are tied to the owner of the two breeding cats. If two cats of separate owners breed the kitten belongs to the person who's cat it matches in color.
  • RahnalH102RahnalH102 the Green Devout New Mexico Icrontian
    What's this? I can get back on the server now? Oh I missed my temple/ziggurat/place-of-green-worship!
  • CrazyJoeCrazyJoe Winter Springs, FL Icrontian
    Keeps giving me a fatal error every time I try to update. Awesome!!
  • GHoosdumGHoosdum Orange, CA Icrontian
    Delete your jar file and try again.
  • GorzoGorzo Columbus, OH
    What's this? I can get back on the server now? Oh I missed my temple/ziggurat/place-of-green-worship!
    I absolutely love your Ziggurat of the Green Devout btw. It looks great, very unique concept. Extremely well done.

    For anyone looking to travel to the jungles, as far as I know the current best way to get there is to come to the Village (it's north of town, you can come via the nether and follow the sign and short rail track), then take a left out of the nether portal hut and follow the path north out of town (the exit at the animal farms, between mooshrooms and pigs). That exit points you north - just head that way for 2000 blocks, or 1000 more for the farther jungle.

    We will connect the jungles via nether portal soon, but you won't be able to bring cats back through the nether (or while traveling on a minecart or boat) so you'll be stuck with a long walk when cat hunting on the way back no matter what.
  • midgamidga "There's so much hot dog in Rome" ~digi (> ^.(> O_o)> Icrontian
    Actually, Basil died and respawned, and his kitty appeared next to his respawn point. You might talk to him for more details, but this may be the easy mode for getting cats back to town.
  • RahnalH102RahnalH102 the Green Devout New Mexico Icrontian
    What's this? I can get back on the server now? Oh I missed my temple/ziggurat/place-of-green-worship!


    I absolutely love your Ziggurat of the Green Devout btw. It looks great, very unique concept. Extremely well done.
    Why thank you Gorzo. When I get back on, acquire the parts, and learn the mechanics of it I'm gonna try and make a special door that @Basil showed me. In my opinion it will throw it's "wow" factor through the roof.

    Either way can't wait to get a cat.
  • CrazyJoeCrazyJoe Winter Springs, FL Icrontian
    edited Apr 2012
    Delete your jar file and try again.
    Edit. Finally worked.
  • UPSWeezerUPSWeezer Behind you... GENTLEMEN Icrontian
    Went out to search for a grey cat today. Ended up getting 2 while I was out at the jungle. Then my 3 from home just randomly teleported out to me. I managed to lose all 5 on my journey back... :bawl:" alt=":bawl:" />
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! SoCal Icrontian
    edited Apr 2012
    :( Had you sat them in your house or were they wondering?

    The breeding of dogs/cats in multiplayer is a bit wonky IMO. If I have a Tabby (orange) cat and my buddy has a black/White cat and we breed them, the owner of the kitten is decided by the color. Therefore breeding can not be used to expand the colors you have. I think the owner of the baby should be a coin flip.

    Has anyone bred dogs of different owners? I would have to imagine that is a coin flip or possibly controlled by who is given the breeding agent (bones?) first?

    -Digi
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! SoCal Icrontian
    So dispensers have gotten way cooler....

    If you fill it with Minecarts at the end of a track... it will put the cart on the track.

    That goes for normal, powered and chest carts.

    If you fill it with boats next to water... it will put the boat in the water for you

    Oh and a a little addition that oddly enough has not gotten a lot of attention:

    A Dispenser is now A FIREBALL CANNON!!

    http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Fire_Charge

    -Digi
  • midgamidga "There's so much hot dog in Rome" ~digi (> ^.(> O_o)> Icrontian
    @BobbyDigi Cats will just occasionally all stand up from wherever they're sitting and teleport to you. I've also noticed it's difficult to walk by some peoples' plots with cats, cause they'll wander around and die on stuff. I probably lost half-a-dozen to Basil's cacti XD They're also prone to tearing up crops and sitting on chests, and they never ever stfu. Basically, they're just like real cats. Annoying as all crap, but when you look at them you want to bring them inside and give them food...

    I'd say that them standing might be related to creepers, but mine were sitting in a decidedly creeper-free zone.
  • RahnalH102RahnalH102 the Green Devout New Mexico Icrontian
    they never ever stfu.
    I can't stay near the South side of my temple for long. Why does he have to have soo many cats.
  • midgamidga "There's so much hot dog in Rome" ~digi (> ^.(> O_o)> Icrontian
    edited Apr 2012
    Because it's a House of Cats. Duh.

    Previously mentioned bug is known http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Known_bugs/Version_1.2.5#Bugs_8
    So dispensers have gotten way cooler....

    If you fill it with Minecarts at the end of a track... it will put the cart on the track.

    That goes for normal, powered and chest carts.

    If you fill it with boats next to water... it will put the boat in the water for you

    Oh and a a little addition that oddly enough has not gotten a lot of attention:

    A Dispenser is now A FIREBALL CANNON!!

    http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Fire_Charge

    -Digi
    Also there's awesome new sandstone textures you can get by combining the blocks in various ways http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Sandstone
    And I've confirmed that you can place torches on top of glass blocks, but not on the sides. This also applies to redstone torches. Redstone dust and ladders are a no-go, though.
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! SoCal Icrontian
    From the Screenshot/Brag thread:
    Oh. :'(


    .....wait, I thought cats were supposed to pwn creepers?
    Cats do not attack creepers such as dogs attack mobs when you melee them. Cat's will attack chickens. Creepers are "afraid" of cats. If you sit a cat down and stand next to it, a creeper will see you and start to come towards you, when it gets within a certain range of the cat (~6 or 7 blocks in my experience) it will turn and run. The funny part is when it gets out of range of the cat, it sees you again and will try to come at a different angle causing the creeper to basically walk in circles.

    While I was out in the Jungle with Weezer, I was in a hidey hole with our 7 cats at the time and he was out running around, a creeper passed in front of our opening and then blew up. Basically it seems the creeper can not see the cats through walls as it can track players. Once this particular creeper was in line-of-sight of the cats he had already started his explosion process so it may be that they can not get scared once they start that.

    -Digi
  • midgamidga "There's so much hot dog in Rome" ~digi (> ^.(> O_o)> Icrontian
    Well, would you be scared of a cat if you'd just pulled the cord on your TNT bandoleer?

    Gotcha, though. That might be worth submitting as a bug.
  • UPSWeezerUPSWeezer Behind you... GENTLEMEN Icrontian
    Good news! My cats came back to me!
  • IlriyasIlriyas Magician, Sunbro, Grossly Incandescent Toronto, Ontario Icrontian
    The cat came back the very next day...
  • GorzoGorzo Columbus, OH
    Nether subway to the jungle at -250, -3200 is now fully operational. I am adjusting the signs down there right now to help point right to it. It's right there, by the nether wart farm and the subway to the village.

    Known issue: Zombie pigmen spawning on the track and getting in the way. Anyone know how to stop them?

    Future plans: Will add an extension to the other jungle at -200, -4350. Will 'pretty up' the overworld-side portal platform area.
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