Cheap Game Alert! Divine Divinity

LincLinc OwnerDetroit Icrontian
edited October 2009 in Science & Tech
Icrontic's dive into the bargain bins continues with CB's look at Divine Divinity:
Every time I play the game, my opinion of the game itself gets lower, but my investment in the character gets higher. Something is drawing me in. It certainly isn’t the control scheme (which is counter-intuitive, and sloppy), it definitely isn’t the story-line (which is mind-numbingly dull). It’s the advancement system.

Comments

  • GHoosdumGHoosdum Icrontian
    edited January 2008
    Sometimes I wonder how he manages to put up with some of this software.

    I think he's an addict.
  • CBCB Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Der Millionendorf- Icrontian
    edited January 2008
    I just can't help myself anymore :(
  • GHoosdumGHoosdum Icrontian
    edited January 2008
    Well, at least you aren't subjecting yourself to those horrible mobile phone games. ;)
  • CBCB Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Der Millionendorf- Icrontian
    edited January 2008
    No More!
  • edited July 2009
    This review was...not really a review. Forgive my scathing remarks, but this review is about as bad as you claim the game to be. In fact, it's a perfect analogy: I continued to read this review to the bitter end not because it was good, but because I was enthralled to see what aspect of the game you would bash next -- much the same as you loathed the game but were so intrigued to see what came next that you spent 100+ hours playing.

    Now, I admit D.D is not my favorite game. I never finished it. It's pretty much standard fare as far as plot, gameplay, fantasy setting...etc -- nothing particularly remarkable. And I agree, the name is completely ridiculous. But I am appalled how you bash the game endlessly without offering any substance, reasoning, or explanation of what would make it better. And I am downright disgusted that the graphics are not "flashy" enough for you. That is exactly what is wrong with gamers today. The old-school RPG is dying because storyline, plot, gameplay are sacrificed for 3D models and flashy graphics. Clearly, this seems to be the defining factor of why you are highly anticipating Divinity 2 ("it looks amazing!") but can't stand Divinity 1.

    So, please, as an avid RPG fan, I ask you to at least take the time to write a serious review and not childishly mock a game. If you don't like the game, inform the gaming community in a respectful and intelligent manner; this review reflects more poorly on you than it does the game. Thank you.
  • MyrmidonMyrmidon Baron von Puttenham California Icrontian
    edited July 2009
    Old.

    Also, page 2.
  • edited July 2009
    eh, "page 2"? Are you referring to the fact that there is a 2nd page? Yes, I was aware of that.

    And the date of publication is irrelevant. If someone googles "divine divinity review" it will still be found, I assume.

    Perhaps my comments were too harsh (I disregarded the message asking me to "be nice"), but I think my points are relevant. The reviewer, like me, is entitled to his opinion of the game. I'm simply suggesting he take a more objective approach to future reviews rather than mocking the product. I appreciate the fact that the reviewer tried to address something he felt was positive, i.e. the music. But most of the criticism was not constructive, and unfortunately it comprised the majority of the review.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited July 2009
    The reviewer got to see Divinity II at E3 this year, and was relieved and excited to see that they not only admit that the first was sub-par, but that the second improves on almost every aspect. I'm sure he'll pipe in here with his thoughts.
  • QCHQCH Ancient Guru Chicago Area - USA Icrontian
    edited July 2009
    jfre, thank you for taking the time to post a comment. While I might not agree with your view I can see where you are coming from and appreciate your opinion. I'm sure CB will respond shortly.
  • CBCB Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Der Millionendorf- Icrontian
    edited July 2009
    jfre wrote:
    This review was...not really a review. Forgive my scathing remarks, but this review is about as bad as you claim the game to be. In fact, it's a perfect analogy: I continued to read this review to the bitter end not because it was good, but because I was enthralled to see what aspect of the game you would bash next -- much the same as you loathed the game but were so intrigued to see what came next that you spent 100+ hours playing.

    Now, I admit D.D is not my favorite game. I never finished it. It's pretty much standard fare as far as plot, gameplay, fantasy setting...etc -- nothing particularly remarkable. And I agree, the name is completely ridiculous. But I am appalled how you bash the game endlessly without offering any substance, reasoning, or explanation of what would make it better. And I am downright disgusted that the graphics are not "flashy" enough for you. That is exactly what is wrong with gamers today. The old-school RPG is dying because storyline, plot, gameplay are sacrificed for 3D models and flashy graphics. Clearly, this seems to be the defining factor of why you are highly anticipating Divinity 2 ("it looks amazing!") but can't stand Divinity 1.

    So, please, as an avid RPG fan, I ask you to at least take the time to write a serious review and not childishly mock a game. If you don't like the game, inform the gaming community in a respectful and intelligent manner; this review reflects more poorly on you than it does the game. Thank you.

    Thanks for your comments, jfre.

    Ironically, as much as I basted it in the review, I did enjoy Divine Divinity. I attempted to make that show through the review (part of our (since canceled) "Cheap Games" series of reviews, which were all a bit less than serious), but as a reviewer, I typically tend to focus on the flaws of any product more strongly than the good points.

    As far as the graphics and other quality issues: I feel the same way you do about the industry, and the fan's, focus on flashy graphics. I think a lot of games that should get better attention don't because they don't have flashy graphics, and I think a lot of games that do have flashy graphics suffer in gameplay because of the energy spent on making the graphics shine. I'm playing through Final Fantasy VII right now, and I love it, despite graphics that are nearly unfathomably bad to a modern gamer.

    However, I know that much of the audience for video games isn't like you and I. I would be remiss if I didn't let the audience know: "hey, by the way, the graphics here are crappy". It's then the audiences job to decide if that makes them not want to buy the game. The job of the reviewer is not to say "this product is good" or "this product is bad". That doesn't really mean anything.The job of the good reviewer (something I learn a little more about every time I write a review) is to help the reader decide whether or not this product is for them.

    You know that you don't mind if the graphics are bad, and bad translations don't necessarily turn you off, then you can ignore that part of the review.

    Finally, primesuspect has the right of it when he says that I'm excited about the upcoming release of Divinity II. I was privileged enough to get a very close look at the game at E3, and hopefully I'll have a review of that game up soon. Check the Icrontic Gaming frontpage for some write-ups and videos. :)
  • edited July 2009
    Wow, I'm surprised at the prompt response my post generated, given that I was commenting on something posted months ago! I guess this community really is a tight-knit group :)

    First, I definitely want to apologize -- I was very irritated when I read the review, and for some reason felt the need to defend the game. I didn't mean to make it personal :/ I'm quite grateful the backlash was not severe.

    I actually had a similar experience with divinity...I hated the game at first, because the first dungeon crawl is *awful*. Really poor level design to throw your character into the largest dungeon of the game in the first 15 minutes of play...But once I got past that, I really loved it. It just got old after a while, and I eventually ran out of time/interest to finish it.

    I'm glad we share opinions about the direction of PC games in general. As a budget consumer, I appreciate older games that I may have missed and indie games that emphasize story/gameplay over graphics. I recently played through (most of) Fallout 3, which I basically have to run in the lowest resolution to play on my aging desktop. And, while it definitely sucked up a lot of my time, it can't hold a candle to Fallout 1/2. I guess that's just the trend of the industry; to be successful they must please the most populous demographic.

    Anyway, I'm looking forward to your coverage of Divinity 2, and I hope to look around the rest of the site to see what it has to offer :)
  • Gate28Gate28 Orlando, Florida Icrontian
    edited July 2009
    jfre wrote:
    I'm quite grateful the backlash was not severe.

    An opinion is an opinion, it's not like we're going to tell you to drink bleach because you disagree with one of our reviews.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited July 2009
    Whereas most sites would just call you a variety of offensive names and be done with it :D
  • GHoosdumGHoosdum Icrontian
    edited July 2009
    Welcome to Icrontic, jfre. You'll find us to be a fairly congenial bunch here.

    I sat in the Divinity II preview with CB, and I am also pretty excited about the sequel. The guy running the demo for us was really helpful and he admitted that it was the shortcomings of the first game that drove a lot of the development goals for the second.
  • edited October 2009
    Unsure if I should trust the opinion of someone who spends 100 hours with a game yet still fails to figure out how to change the resolution.....(first entry in the game's start menu group, starts with the word CONFIGURE no less....)

    (.cfg editing also available...I have DD in 1680x1050 at the moment....)
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