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I'm with CB on this, its like an insult to our intelligence. Just come out and say you are putting the screws to Adobe because you can. See they might if the geeks, the people in the know were actually Apples core audience, but we are not.
Apple is doing more to stunt innovation and close standards than any other company in tech. Simplicity is not a form of innovation. Its great design in many cases, but its not a form of innovation.
I understand the corporate philosophy and why it works for them, lets face it, most people know far less about computing than we do, and Apple caters to them, to deliver something that is delightful for the average user. As a result of their success, they can leverage their market position to shape the tools that developers and websites can use, thats just wrong, and we all know it.
BTW: Awesome Icrontic Viewpoint is Awesome.
CB + Buddy J + mirage are all on to the fact that Apple wants to control the experience for QA reasons. I understand why Apple doesn't want their users to do things that will end up feeding criticism for thier products. The public characterization of the iPhone would have been vastly different had they debuted the first model with multi-tasking, Flash, and 3G: it would be known as the slick little device that runs out of battery in half a day (if you're lucky).
That approach works well with the masses that don't know what they're missing out on, but not us. Like CB said, let me decide if a Flash app is too wonky to use on a touchscreen. I'm on Android primarily because I don't like being told how to use my device. I acknowledge that what the iPhone does it generally does better than my G1. But at least I get the choice to multitask, to run background apps that drain my battery, and soon, to run Flash.
Perhaps the comment about Adobe being closed is arguable, but he made a valid point that I, as an iPhone OS user, am not missing out on much content on the web simply because Flash isn't there.. yes I would love to be able to play any video on the web any time and on any site, but I have the computer for that anyway, plus I have noticed that now more and more sites are adopting the HTML5 technology..
All in all I think Apple is doing the right move, and I see big wisdom int heir decisions and I salute them for protecting the App Store from all sorts of malicious apps, be it lacking quality or simply offensive stuff like porn and low moral standards... yes it's a free world bla bla bla, and so Apple is also free in keeping all the rubbish out, and keeping the App Store clean... I would in fact encourage them to be more strict probably, but they are just great.
Way to go Apple!!!!
I will happily go on record and say that I really do enjoy my iPod Touch and iPhone 3GS, but I like it for the apps on them that I've grown to love. Not this whole "Apple Quality Experience" that Jobs keeps touting.
Smart move on his part to keep his company rolling in even more dough, sucks for everyone else who enjoys Flash.
I also wouldn't bet on Theora being patentless. MPEG has hinted that they have patents that could be leveraged against Theora. Anything Google says to the contrary should be taken with a grain of salt considering their own Android OS is in a hole right now with Apple fighting HTC over a patent suit and HTC now paying Microsoft for patent licensing over Android. This is probably to be expected though, considering it is a Linux derivative OS.
I do not expect these 1GHz ARM devices to be able to decode videos in flash containers that are not h.264 and thus hardware decode-able at a rate higher than 3 frames per second.
Flash games are generally not designed in a way that is touch compatible, and users will be angry at /Apple/ for this.
Steve is just pissed at Adobe's beating them out in the software market. Adobe's software is standard on both platforms; Photoshop, after effects, Encore, etc. And CS5 Adobe Premiere will take a big hit on Final Cut Pro, cause it does things that Final Cut can't even dream of. So since this pisses him off. He wont let flash on his systems. hoping to stop them from eroding more of his margins.
Still bullshit though for the owners of Apple products that are told what they can and cant access on it.
Many of you make the point that its all about money, and yes, of course it is. But don't neglect the fact that it is the same for Adobe, with their Creative Suite being released every year or two for a pretty penny, updating their own "standards" each time and rendering the previous version almost obsolete. Sound familiar? It is...Apple does it to...neither company looks good from this aspect. And just as Adobe has every right to decide how their product evolves, so does Apple and that includes shunning Flash if they so choose.
I do agree that its a huge stretch to say that you can experience the full web without Flash. You certainly can't...most of the porn clips on the web run in Flash. Its funny that everyone is upset that they'll never be able to play Farmville on an Apple product when the loss of porn is the real issue here. Admit it people. And we all know how Apple-Disney feels about porn... :(
And games? Sure there are alot of crappy Flash games on the web, and they are free. If they happen to be good games, they usually require micro-transactions for them to be enjoyable. And on the iPhone/iPod platforms, its very much the same. There are many crappy free games, some good ones, and some that require that you pay to truly enjoy, whether it be micro-transactions or up-front. This really makes any argument about the games a moot point in my opinion.
Finally, lets not forget one other great reason for Apple to bring the hammer down on Adobe: revenge. Some would say that Adobe single handedly held back the resurrection of Apple by delaying OS X by over a year because they dragged their feet adapting Flash and other webcode that was originally for Windows to Mac. Because back then, you really couldn't enjoy the web without Flash. Adobe just didn't think that Apple was worth it in the long run, and now that Apple has regained popularity, they want to turn the tables on those that have wronged them in the past. And I say good for them.
Now, I guess I'll go back to waiting for my iPad to arrive at my door and I'll see how enjoyable it will be without Flash.
And then
"Now, I guess I'll go back to waiting for my iPad to arrive at my door and I'll see how enjoyable it will be without Flash."
You sure are an Apple sheep.
The greatest danger for the world is the unwillingness of people to use their brain.
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Today, Adobe is the devil!
I find this to be very amusing irony. Oh, and for the record, I don't have an opinion on Photoshop and I think everything else from adobe that I've tried really stinks.