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Gabe Newell speaks on Valve's surprising development process

CBCB Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ@TheButterflyman Icrontian
edited May 2011 in Gaming

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  • CantiCanti =/= smalltime http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9K18CGEeiI&feature=related Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    No one tells Valve what to do, not even Valve. That's smart.
  • edited May 2011
    Troll free since 2003, that's Pro-Praganda since 2003. Just another Label to stifle "Freedom of Speech". The TRUTH is, Americans are no MORE Free than Cuba or any others 3rd world country. If you say something, the Political/Social/Ecomonical forces dont like, your Labeled a Troll, very "Ambiguous Term" in general.
  • shwaipshwaip bluffin' with my muffin Icrontian
    edited May 2011
  • GargoyleGargoyle Illinois Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    Resisting urge to hijack thread.

    Nice article, CB. :thumbsup: Who'd a thunk a developer's life could be so open? Wonder if they still have crunch time in Valve time.
  • KwitkoKwitko Sheriff of Banning (Retired) By the thing near the stuff Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    ManAnimalX wrote:
    Troll free since 2003, that's Pro-Praganda since 2003. Just another Label to stifle "Freedom of Speech". The TRUTH is, Americans are no MORE Free than Cuba or any others 3rd world country. If you say something, the Political/Social/Ecomonical forces dont like, your Labeled a Troll, very "Ambiguous Term" in general.
    Troll
  • TushonTushon I'm scared, Coach Dallas Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    Also resisting the meta-troll. Thanks for the writeup ... very cool insight into a great studio
  • ButtersButters CA Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    Careful CB. Your good article might be hijacked and used elsewhere. Other sites might copy it and the headline may read:

    Half-Life 2: Episode 3 won't be released due to Valve's socialist development process.
  • WinfreyWinfrey waddafuh Missouri Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    Kudos to ManAnimalX for having the courage to remove all doubt of his insanity.
  • ThraxThrax Professional Shill, Pokémaster, Watch Slut Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    ManAnimalX wrote:
    Troll free since 2003, that's Pro-Praganda since 2003. Just another Label to stifle "Freedom of Speech". The TRUTH is, Americans are no MORE Free than Cuba or any others 3rd world country. If you say something, the Political/Social/Ecomonical forces dont like, your Labeled a Troll, very "Ambiguous Term" in general.

    Tell me more.
  • KwitkoKwitko Sheriff of Banning (Retired) By the thing near the stuff Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    So Thrax, are you the political, social, or economic force here at Icrontic?
  • SnarkasmSnarkasm 's-Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    I will pick nits. I was going to start with "not to nitpick," but let's be honest, that's what I'm going to do. I will apologize for it, however. It comes solely from me being an actual living, breathing socialist now.

    This sounds more anarchical than it does socialist, no? Socialism is where the government does dictate something and everybody benefits. This sounds more like "everybody do what you want."

    Regardless, it makes me incredibly sad that HL2:Ep3 may never come. As the years tick by, it only makes it less and less likely to happen, given that new hires (younger folks) won't have the same strong feelings about it that many of us do. On the other hand, maybe they will.

    I wish Gabe'd just lay down the law once to get it done, though.
  • TushonTushon I'm scared, Coach Dallas Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    Butters wrote:
    Careful CB. Your good article might be hijacked and used elsewhere. Other sites might copy it and the headline may read:

    Half-Life 2: Episode 3 won't be released due to Valve's socialist development process.
    Tonight's headline on FOX news
  • primesuspectprimesuspect HumanGarbageDisposal Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    ManAnimalX wrote:
    Troll free since 2003, that's Pro-Praganda since 2003. Just another Label to stifle "Freedom of Speech". The TRUTH is, Americans are no MORE Free than Cuba or any others 3rd world country. If you say something, the Political/Social/Ecomonical forces dont like, your Labeled a Troll, very "Ambiguous Term" in general.

    What is this I don't even
  • CantiCanti =/= smalltime http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9K18CGEeiI&feature=related Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    Since they already believe video games will make you a rapist that should be interesting. Torn between their hatred of socialism and video games who will they claim is the bad guy?
  • colacola part legend, part devil... all man Right behind you Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    I believe he's reefering to the small note next to the add comment button in the first part, and then is going off on some sort of crazy.
  • edited May 2011
    The "political/social/economic forces"? That's your enemy? How paranoi...erm, ambiguous of you! ManAnimalX is what you get when someone takes three semesters at a community college and then drops out--pseudointellectual dribble.
  • edited May 2011
    Uhh, yeah, so this is all fine and dandy, I'm glad they have a nice comfy work environment where everyone gets to work on what they want.. But I gotta say, they left us on QUITE a cliffhanger with HL2: Episode 2.... I should hope that they at least plan on finishing that out...... right?

    Pretty please??
  • KoreishKoreish KCMO Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    Did ManAnimalX just combine three different thoughts into one mega mind blowing thought?
  • TushonTushon I'm scared, Coach Dallas Icrontian
    edited May 2011
  • Cliff_ForsterCliff_Forster Baltimore, MD Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    Come on guys, this is spin. Gabe Newell is a smart guy, he is not going to come right out and say Half Life 2 Episode 3 is a lower priority because the prior episodic content sold more poorly than they had hoped. Most people got it as part of the Orange Box. Half Life 2 sold at about four times the pace of the episodic content though it cost significantly more. Gamers just don't like the episodic marketing model, so thats that.....

    Any company that lets its employees make all the decisions is screwed. Come on, nobody believes this. Its all spin for... The Half Life episodic content did not sell as well as planed so we are not making another episode.
  • UPSLynxUPSLynx The Dean of Computer Graphics Redwood City, CA Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    No, it makes sense. No company in their right mind would dump the kind of time and dedication into delivering FREE content for one game like Valve has for TF2. It is absolute madness, but it has worked for them against all odds. The game still sells, nearly four years post-release. Valve isn't screwed because of this unique model - they're everything but.

    But even I am starting to believe that we will never see a proper return to HL2. We've been waiting too long with too little information. The game clearly is a lower priority to the studio at this point. Valve should be making noise about it, getting people excited, but they simply aren't bothering. They have Steam, TF2, L4D.... all these properties and platforms that are exploding right now making huge bank. Valve is still a small company, and they've clearly shifted their focus to these other projects. It makes sense from a business standpoint, and Gabe is a shrewd businessman.
  • ThraxThrax Professional Shill, Pokémaster, Watch Slut Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    (Insert Canti-Bobby-Gabe-Valve-HL2EP3-rage comic here)
  • edited May 2011
    It would be awesome if all game studios could do what Valve does, take the time Valve does on each game. The thing is, it's not good business. Valve is an exception because they have Steam bringing in revenue while they can be creating virtually free content for games like TF2. You can't have multiple Steams, especially for each company. It just wouldn't work. Other studios need to sell games to make money to put out the next one. Valve just sells them while working on their own projects on the side.
  • BandrikBandrik Elkhart, IN Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    The real source of why Half-Life 2: Episode III has lost favor at Valve:

    5PAeX.jpg

    <3 you Lynx.
  • GargoyleGargoyle Illinois Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    I'm just going to have to accept that this will be in my head the rest of the night, I guess. Thanks.

    <iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/0OzWIFX8M-Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
  • ThraxThrax Professional Shill, Pokémaster, Watch Slut Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    Better:

    <object width="560" height="349"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/qXKd7uuehlw?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qXKd7uuehlw?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="349" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>
  • GargoyleGargoyle Illinois Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    I just realized that I like this song. I seem to have strayed too close to the edge of the cliffs of irony.
  • Cliff_ForsterCliff_Forster Baltimore, MD Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    UPSLynx wrote:
    No, it makes sense. No company in their right mind would dump the kind of time and dedication into delivering FREE content for one game like Valve has for TF2. It is absolute madness, but it has worked for them against all odds. The game still sells, nearly four years post-release. Valve isn't screwed because of this unique model - they're everything but.

    This is what I mean. The TF2 model, and the HL2 episode model could not be any different. Its spin for, we know what works for our audience, and episodic content really doesn't.
  • UPSLynxUPSLynx The Dean of Computer Graphics Redwood City, CA Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    This is what I mean. The TF2 model, and the HL2 episode model could not be any different. Its spin for, we know what works for our audience, and episodic content really doesn't.


    Ah. Well in that case, I see your point and pretty much agree with it.

    Frigging valve. You are the worst lover ever.
  • KwitkoKwitko Sheriff of Banning (Retired) By the thing near the stuff Icrontian
    edited May 2011
    Snarkasm wrote:
    This sounds more anarchical than it does socialist, no?

    I'd say more like an anarcho-syndicalist commune. They take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting. By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more-- ah, well, it's not important.
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