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[MASSIVE SPOILERS] Let's Talk Mass Effect

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  • IvanIvan Icrontic’s Loveable Bot
  • KoreishKoreish Writer
    Ok while I think we all want the Indoctrination theory to be true so we know we didn't get worthless ending and a meaningless 90+hrs of gameplay. Think about what this means from our standpoint. Yes, it could be the most awesome mind fuck a video game and it's developer has ever pulled. But it also means Bioware/EA have deliberately given us an incomplete game so that they can charge us more to finish it.

    This worries me. We've already paid 60USD for this game, DLC averages about 10-15 per, for something like Arrival, Shadow Broker, and Javik. So for just a simple ending, what might be the actual ending to the game we're gonna have to pay another $10. This is further emphasized by the DLC comment the game ends on. This is robbery; even if Indoctrination Theory is real, and I doubt it is/was (might be now depending on how Bioware plays this off). I want the actual ending to my game with my game, not with DLC.

    I don't know, just my two cents.
  • fatcatfatcat it never ends, Event Organizer, Supporter, Gaming Leader
    Pretty sure it mentions in Bobby's video that Blue is Renegade and Red is Paragon when in indoctrination phase.

    Control - You can't control the reapers when they are already controlling you. There is a vision of TIM trying to do this. Even Shepard says "So the Illusive Man was right."

    Synthesis - Saren went down this path. 60% of you went down this path. Trolololol

    Destroy - Star Child IMMEDIATELY vanishes when you pick this option. Shepard wakes up. The dream is over...or has it just begun.
  • ThraxThrax Professional Shill, Fashion Police, Complex Hierarchy Interpreter, Community Leader, D&D Supernerd, Supporter, Dance Commander, Official Rep, Expo Attendee
    Even if BioWare provides an epilogue through DLC, I don't care. An ending that leaves much and more to my imagination is as compelling to me as one that's spelled out. This thread alone was worth the money.
  • fatcatfatcat it never ends, Event Organizer, Supporter, Gaming Leader
    Koreish - this game, complete or not, was fucking worth the $60. Hands down

    I want the Bioware Mass Effect team to make all games now :)

  • fatcatfatcat it never ends, Event Organizer, Supporter, Gaming Leader
    You can argue there is no closure.

    But we got hope.
  • KoreishKoreish Writer
    I'm not saying that the game isn't worth $60 I'm just saying I don't like the idea of being charged an additional $10 just for an ending. That's a very slippery slope. Either we're going to get an ending through DLC or Bioware has decided to make the Trilogy into a Saga. That would actually make me stupid happy if we could get one more game out of Mass Effect.
  • Church4252Church4252 Supporter, Writer
    As I am reading this thread the only thing I can think is that we could make a podcast about this XD
  • UPSLynxUPSLynx The Dean of Computer Graphics Community Leader, Supporter, Writer, Official Rep, Sonic
    RE: Thrax's two posts - those are two incredible points that I hadn't considered. Shooting Illusive Man with the renegade option mind-tripped me so hard that BOTH TIMES it popped up, I didn't go for it. Anderson died, and then I was killed. I had to re-load and go through the entire sequence again.

    I'm about 95% convinced of the indoctrination theory at this point. There's just too much evidence. Too much about it that makes it right.

    It really blows my mind to consider what the game does in its final hour. The mind games it plays with you, especially if you roll paragon, is substantial. The renegade option of shooting Illusive Man, the colored choices at the end pushing you from the destroy option, offering a third, harder to get option that doesn't truly bring a best end, trusting the child we know acts for the reapers because we feel Shepard's guilt... This stuff is incredible.

    I can't believe a video game did this to me. This is the definition of immersive. We feel indoctrinated ourselves, because as we played it, we had no idea that this manipulation was happening to us.

    And I would agree, I don't feel that the ending is incomplete, and I'm glad that closure is left to the imagination. It was the only real way they could end a game like this. Every person playing these games built their own stories around their own Shepards. It's practically impossible to make a concrete, detailed ending while appeasing all of these gamers. I'm fine with what they've done.

    Though you're also right, @koreish. It's obvious by the ending message (and it's EA we're talking about) that they're going to milk this ending out for gamers via DLC. I don't want them to do it, but they've already confirmed that they're going to do it. I'm not going to play these DLCs. I'm keeping my ending intact.
  • CantiCanti Member
    If they release more gameplay and story beyond Shepard waking up from indoctrination and try to charge for it I think the backlash from it will be stronger than the rage they're already dealing with. Unfortunately this probably won't stop people from paying for it, even those who would be truly furious about it. Sad to think that what is potentially the most ingenious thing they've done with the series might also double as a way to exploit their customers (again). If this theory turns out to be true and they release the rest of the story for free it might be enough to win me back over my disgust with the multiplayer setup. If they charge for it however they will only have solidified my decision, I'll just watch it on youtube.
  • KoreishKoreish Writer
    If it's a free DLC and they didn't include the ending proper so that people could make their decisions; possibly wrong decisions. That would actually be a fucking brilliant move but again, I doubt that EA would allow for free DLC. Places like Xbox Live charge you just to post DLC, so the chances of it actually being a free DLC is pretty slim.
  • fatcatfatcat it never ends, Event Organizer, Supporter, Gaming Leader
    pure speculation, but the Normandy lands on Zorya

    image

    if you did the Zaeed loyalty mission in ME2, you'll notice the planet has 2 moons and lush jungle
  • fatcatfatcat it never ends, Event Organizer, Supporter, Gaming Leader
    also, I was right on a LEAST FOUR THINGS ;)
    here is my take on ME3 (Oct 2011)

    You run in to the Illusive Man again, but he slips away (Kill him in DLC)

    You run in to Jacob and Miranda and try to convince them to leave Cerberus. Jacobs joins you but Miranda is hesitant, and just when you think you got her, Liara shoots her in the back.

    Mortin cures the genophage.

    Wrex and Grunt show up, but Wrex dies and Grunt becomes leader of the Krogan.

    Garrus becomes commander of C-Sec and makes his father proud.

    Ashely/Kaiden replace Anderson on the council when Anderson dies in one final glorious battle on Earth

    Joker brags about his iEDI

    Tali is known as the hero of the Quarian for finally eliminating all the Geth with the help from Legion (DLC)

    A cure for Thane is found, but he dies saving Jack from Cerberus

    You and Liara make blue alien babies and cruise the galaxy in the Normandy (there is also a three-way with Kelly)

    heh, I'll think of some other things for the other squad mates sometime :p
  • CantiCanti Member
    Based on my play-through you were correct on exactly none of those.

    1. Only encountered TIM at the end at which point he killed himself.
    2. Jacob and Miranda left Cerberus on their own. Liara never even met Miranda.
    3. Modin* would have cured the genophage had I not shot him.
    4. Wrex has been dead since half way through ME1 and Grunt was never a Krogan leader.
    5. Garrus don't give a fuck about C-Sec.
    6. Anderson was never appointed to the council in the first place and neither was Ashley.
    7. Joker wants robo-babies or some shit but I wouldn't say he brags about it.
    8. Tali helped unite the Geth and Quarians.
    9. Thane got stabbed. Jack was nowhere near him.
    10. Liara is forever alone and Kelly is so dead it's not even funny.
    11. Nope
  • fatcatfatcat it never ends, Event Organizer, Supporter, Gaming Leader
    Anderson didn't die in you play through? Or Joker bragging about iEDI?
  • CantiCanti Member
    He died but nothing about him being on the council was right. I'll give you half a right for calling Anderson's death if you want. (Unless indoctrination theory). Not sure what you mean by iEdi but I don't remember him saying anything like "hey check out how awesome my "something related to EDI" is"
  • fatcatfatcat it never ends, Event Organizer, Supporter, Gaming Leader
    iEDI (I'm referring to i as interactive)



  • CantiCanti Member
    "You're not gonna tell anyone about this right? Like Shepard? Shepard doesn't really need to know."

    Hiding things is not bragging about them. Also, how did they get Shepard to look up and read the text?
  • SnarkasmSnarkasm The Photographer Member, Supporter
    Yeah, I'm only seeing two - Mordin cures the genophage, and Joker sexytimes with EDI.

    Illusive Man doesn't slip away
    Jacob and Miranda both left Cerberus, neither come with you
    Grunt doesn't lead anything
    Garrus /quit C-Sec
    Nobody replaces anybody on the council, and Anderson doesn't die on Earth, if we're being technical
    I don't really know about the Tali and the geth one; I know she kills herself if you save the geth and aren't pro enough to talk her out of it, but I don't know about the other side
    Thane dies incredibly sadly
    Liara is an on-again-off-again bitch that asks if you want to stay together when you meet in the beginning, then ignores you until the end, when she acts like you're just friends.

    All solid predictions, but I am interested in your fourth - are you calling the Anderson and Tali ones correct?
  • fatcatfatcat it never ends, Event Organizer, Supporter, Gaming Leader
    Pulls on Politician's pants...
    also, I was right on a LEAST FOUR THINGS ;)
    here is my take on ME3 (Oct 2011)

    You run in to the Illusive Man again, but he slips away (Kill him in DLC)

    You run in to Jacob and Miranda and try to convince them to leave Cerberus. Jacobs joins you but Miranda is hesitant, and just when you think you got her, Liara shoots her in the back.

    Mortin cures the genophage.

    Wrex and Grunt show up, but Wrex dies and Grunt becomes leader of the Krogan.

    Garrus becomes commander of C-Sec and makes his father proud.

    Ashely/Kaiden replace Anderson on the council when Anderson dies in one final glorious battle on Earth

    Joker brags about his iEDI

    Tali is known as the hero of the Quarian for finally eliminating all the Geth with the help from Legion (DLC)

    A cure for Thane is found, but he dies saving Jack from Cerberus

    You and Liara make blue alien babies and cruise the galaxy in the Normandy (there is also a three-way with Kelly)

    heh, I'll think of some other things for the other squad mates sometime :p
    Joker bragging about EDI


  • fatcatfatcat it never ends, Event Organizer, Supporter, Gaming Leader
    Matt, there is a known bug with the Liara LI storyline in which she forgets all about LotSB rekindled romance.
    Also, Tali doesn't kill herself (or even try) if your Reputation is high enough. Legion sacrifices himself
    Grunt leads a pack of commandos when you meet the Rachni Queen again
  • SnarkasmSnarkasm The Photographer Member, Supporter
    You have very generous definitions of "right". :p
  • CantiCanti Member
    Extremely generous.
  • SnarkasmSnarkasm The Photographer Member, Supporter
    "The Illusive Man is a man that is actually 140% machine, made of Jell-O, and God."

    I WAS TOTALLY RIGHT
  • CantiCanti Member
    "There is a Reaper on Earth who will sell you ice cream and can become a squad member if you buy strawberry 5 times."

    Oh man I knew it! There IS a Reaper on Earth!
  • ThraxThrax Professional Shill, Fashion Police, Complex Hierarchy Interpreter, Community Leader, D&D Supernerd, Supporter, Dance Commander, Official Rep, Expo Attendee
    If you purchase the Armali Hyperkinetic Actuator upgrade from the Citadel, you can move the wrecked missile battery in London and capture Mew.
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