LOTR: ROTK Sweeps Oscars [Archive]

QCH

1 Mar 2004, 5:46am

OK, I've been a Lord of the Rings fan for most of my 30 years. My parents read them to me when I was in first grade. I've read them several times since then...

When I saw the first two movies, I though Peter Jackson did a great job on most of the movie. Then the third movie came out and I though Peter nailed it. I am truely glad that Return of the King won so many awards... But all 11

CNN ... ""Rings" tied both "Ben-Hur" (1959) and "Titanic" (1997) with its 11 awards, the record for most Oscars in a single year."

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/02/29/sprj.aa04.oscar.night/index.html" target = blank> CNN </a>

dak125

1 Mar 2004, 8:10am

I had to watch Casino instead of this :(. Sounds like an award show actually worth watching. Thanks for the update.

Animal

1 Mar 2004, 7:21pm

how many did the last one win? I thought the last was by far the best...

Omega65

1 Mar 2004, 7:27pm

LOTR: The Greatest Trilogy ever!

:celebrate

QCH

1 Mar 2004, 7:30pm

Two Towers won 2 Oscars... Best Sound Editing & Best Visual Effects.
Fellowship of the Ring won 4 Oscars... Cinematography, Original Score, Makeup, Visual Effects.

Total for the series.... 17 Oscars!!!! 17 for 29 (I think...) that's almost 60%

kanezfan

1 Mar 2004, 7:32pm

worst movies ever made. i'm serious. i think you people must be delusional... I mean how much more boring could these movies have been? they were soooooo looooooooooong, and then they release the super triple extended edition, how long do these movies have to be? i hated every single moment of these movies, yuck. i rented one, though wtf is wrong with people, this is so boring. then i saw 2 on a plane hoping it would put me to sleep, but unfortunately I stayed awake for the enire 5 hours, now i have ot see the last just cause i wanna know how it ends. grrrrr....

QCH

1 Mar 2004, 7:38pm

Like I said before... I was raised on JRR Tolkien and I am a huge SciFi Fantasy fan. The movie couple the vision and most of themeaning from the books. The triligy was really one huge book that comes close to rivalling War and Peace. Tolkien's books were very deep. They discussed racism, war, freedom, and friendship. Given the fact that the books would take, like, 10 hours each to read outloud, the movies are short. The extra's were added to satisfy the diehards like me. I enjoyed the movies and found them very good. Granted, the flow was a bit choppy due to time constaints but how has done War and Peace with any success?

But you have you opinion Kanezfan... I just don't agree with you, and there are a VAST amount of people that would agree with me.

RWB

1 Mar 2004, 7:46pm

Everyone's different, but Kanez is just the freak ;) J\K I am not delusional, I like what I like and that's just how it is.

kanezfan

1 Mar 2004, 7:58pm

nah i know. it's like counter strike. i hate CS with a passion. can't stand it. i wish it would go away. i'm weird. I guess if i had read lotr i would have proably loved the movies, but that's life. it's not just the movies though, i can't stand the whole culture that goes with it. all these weirdos dressing up like elves and stuff, it's like get a life people! but you have people like that for trek, star wars, etc... too, so to each his own i guess. but yeah i am a freak.

TheBaron

1 Mar 2004, 8:02pm

i was raised on JRR Tolkien, i love the books and i thought the first movie was amazing. the 2nd movie was, for me, entirely disappointing and i thought with the third Peter Jackson completely missed the point of the books, instead focusing on combat and the fact that the 4 hobbits over-acted every single scene they were in. Lost in Translation got robbed

Animal

2 Mar 2004, 12:05am

city of god got robbed aswell... i tend to ignore the oscars........... the best films never actually win.... seems to be the way with most awards actually....

Thrax

2 Mar 2004, 12:31am

I was raised on Tolkien also, and later in life I have come to praising his work in the depth and breadth it represents. The pinnacle of the High Fantasy genre, I read The Hobbit, LoTR and Silmarillion every year as a little homage to Tolkien and the enjoyment which the books bring.

Best trilogy ever, in my opinion.

panzerkw

2 Mar 2004, 1:32am

kanezfan

2 Mar 2004, 2:16am

TheBaron

2 Mar 2004, 2:21am

by happy pill do you mean Xtacy? cause i have plenty of that

i mean...

panzerkw

2 Mar 2004, 2:47am

what makes you say that? this is a discusiion forum isn't it? just becuase I think that a movie sucks i'm trolling becuase my viewpoint doens't agree with yours? whatever dude, go watch some more anime and take a happy pill....

It's one thing to say the movie sucks. But you made it sound as if your life had been horribly altered in some irrevocably vicious way.

You also didn't bother to explain why you though the movies were horrible, beyond they being boring and too long.

How you found LOTR III boring at least is beyond my comprehension, too long? Maybe, but that was probably because I had to take a piss about halfway through but I didn't want to miss anything.

Regarding your suggestion, I'll take the anime part and go ahead and watch some. I don't do drugs.

kanezfan

2 Mar 2004, 2:57am

well then next time read everything i write and maybe you'll understand more. i said i didn't see part three yet. i said i found one to be very very boring. two was a little better, but to me still sucked.

TheBaron

2 Mar 2004, 3:14am

i was kidding about the drugs. he said happy pills, it was the first thing that came to mind :/

bothered

2 Mar 2004, 8:17am

how long do these movies have to be?

Should have been longer, they missed bits out.

MJO

2 Mar 2004, 9:59am

I've never read the books, but I loved the movies.
I have the two first movies in extended versions and the third will join them eventually.
And so much more makes sense when you see the longer versions.
Of course the pace is lower, but the way the story is told is far better.
There are, of course missing pieces in the movies, but you cannot put everything on the screen. Because of time limits, lack of funding or maybe it is impossible to do?
Wonder if anything is impossible for them to do?

The whole Tolkien universe is fascinating in my oppinion, he really thought of pretty much everything.

QCH

2 Mar 2004, 1:24pm

In my opinion, Tolkien and his Middle Earth is one of the most detailed and complex civilizations ever written. Granted, Tolkien used many legends and myths to help flush out his world, but every major event is based on other events that span thousands of years. The fact that Tolkien helped developed the genre of Fantasy is mind boggling. If Peter Jackson would have left every bit and piece in.... 6 hours for each movie. Just think what was skimmed and what was totally skipped (Tom Bombadil, Warrens, etc...).

When I compare Tolkien to other fantasy authors after him... Tolkien explained when he felt that a story line needed more detail, and left some of the details very murky to allow for your imagination to wonder. What do I mean... Detail- Gandalf's Sword Glamdring, not just a fancy sword, but also a sword found in a troll horde that date back to the first wars against Sauron. How about Gandalf... Less detail. He and his kind (Istari) just "show up" a thousand years ago? From where? What are they? They're not human... God's (Nope)... You have to read the Simirilian to get any real idea what they are. Seem what I mean.

OK... The fanatical part just jumped out... sorry.

GnomeWizardd

2 Mar 2004, 2:47pm

I thought they were great movies only movies in my opinion that are better was the Godfather series thats it nothing else comes close as a series

Buddy J

2 Mar 2004, 3:00pm

I think it's complete crap that LoTR won all 11 that it did. Come on, best song? Did anyone listen to it? It was horrible. "My ain true love" was way cooler than whatever Annie Lenox sang. Adapted screenplay? City of God was my choice. Even you hard core LoTR fans said Jackson left all sorts of stuff out. City should have also scored on Editing. It was tasteful and creative.

Aside from Lost in Translation getting shafted on most of what it was up for, the biggest problem I had with the awards was with Peter Jackson himself. On a night when even Johnny Depp was on his best behavior, Jackson comes out looking like the fat kid at the game store who doesn't have friends and argues D&D rules endlessly into the night instead of taking a shower. Granted he tried to wear a suit (and failed). He sits with his cast and crew and kisses and hugs everyone he can find and then thanks New Zealand every five minutes. WTF is up with that? Like he thinks he's so special and deserves everything... it makes me sick. Clean up, dress up and calm your ass down.

At least Sophia cleaned house at the Independant Spirit awards.

kanezfan

2 Mar 2004, 3:16pm

Buddy J, you summed it all up right there. It's like they gave LOTR all these awards just to appease the geeks. yuck. I'm telling you, if they had changed the names of the characters and places in these flicks, everyone would have called them for what they are, boring. it's like star wars, the last two movies sucked in comparison to the originals, but it's still a religious experience for some people becuase it says "star wars" in the title. I mean look at the last two matrix movies. they sucked, yet they still raked in the money. i just think these lotr movies were the most boring movies ever made, but that's just my opinion, so don't take offense eh?

QCH

2 Mar 2004, 3:18pm

Now this is what makes the US, UK, Canada, and every other truely free country... Freedom to Speak your mind.

Omega65

2 Mar 2004, 3:46pm

LOTR: ROTK only the 2nd movie to ever gross $1B worldwide. An the entire trilogy grossed $2.8 Billion. That's one hell of an endorsement to how Good they all were.

Now the GodFather Trilogy....Yawn - not my style :)

QCH

2 Mar 2004, 3:50pm

This is a tough arguement... $2.8 Billion in revenue. That's a lot of tickets and DVD's. I'd say that at least several hundred million people saw the movies or a few million people saw them a couple hundred times....

I liked the Godfather series too. I'm part Italian (25% on my Dad's side).

kanezfan

2 Mar 2004, 3:56pm

all hype omega. again, how good were the last two movies in the matrix trilogy? they grossed a lot of money too

panzerkw

2 Mar 2004, 4:05pm

LOTR I Critic Ratings (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheLordoftheRingsTheFellowshipoftheRing-1108476/)

LOTR II (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheLordoftheRingsTheTwoTowers-1118285/)

LOTR III (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheLordoftheRingsTheReturnoftheKing-1127213/)

Now compare:

The Matrix Critic Ratings (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheMatrix-1086960/)

Matrix Reloaded (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheMatrixReloaded-1122457/)

Matrix Revolutions (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheMatrixRevolutions-1127201/reviews.php)

For LOTR, it wasn't just good hype.

-tk

2 Mar 2004, 8:59pm

i just think these lotr movies were the most boring movies ever made, but that's just my opinion, so don't take offense eh?

I'm going to agree on this one. I loved the books when I was younger, still do, but these movies are just way too long. Especially if you've read the book, that makes it seem even longer. "Oh, they killed shelob?, ok, wake me when they get to the cracks of doom will ya?"

Thrax

2 Mar 2004, 9:33pm

Three hours? Long?

Pussies.

289Mustang

2 Mar 2004, 11:27pm

Let's go back to the good old days of the '80s where all movies were an hour and a half long!

fudgam

2 Mar 2004, 11:39pm

You guys are complaining about how long the LOTR movies are, but honestly I never felt they were boring at anytime. I think it would be better for a movie to be long and have all the content than be short and miss some of the content. And apparently, 3 hours wasnt long enough if Jackson left out so much(im going be previous posts).
And 3 hours....like you guys have never sat down with a video game for more than 3 hours. Im guessing everybody here has pulled atleast 4 straight hours of gaming at some point in their life.

kanezfan

3 Mar 2004, 12:31am

of course, but that's becase it help my attention. those movies were boring. it's just that no one has the balls to say it because "oh my god, what a monumental achievement, he shot them all back to back" I've seen 4 hour long movies when I was a kid, hell I read 1000 page books when I was like ten, but i wasn't bored. I'm sorry, to me these movies were long and boring.

Omega65

3 Mar 2004, 2:24am

all hype omega. again, how good were the last two movies in the matrix trilogy? they grossed a lot of money too

Each Matrix Movie made less than the previous.. :thumbsdow:

EACH LOTR Movie made MORE than the previous.... :thumbsup:

Last week LOTR was STILL on the charts as the #10 movie! (Out of the Top Ten)