Adding another computer

[Dragstk]

I have 1 dedicated computer that just Folds. I would like to add Folding to my main computer. While it will be up and down, every bit helps.
When I set up Folding, do I list the second computer with the same name (Dragstk, in my case) and team (Team 93, of course)? I'd like both my computers output to be listed in the stat pages, as just 1 entry.
Anything else I need to know? (about Folding...that is)
Thanks;
Dragstk

[Al_Capown]

Yea. Just keep the same name and team number.

Uh have you set any flags for your pc's?

If not here's a good link: http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6347&highlight=graphic+flags

[Dragstk]

With some help from KingFish (thank you, sir), I'm running -advmethods -forcesse -verbosity 9. So, I'll be adding those to the next set up.
Thank you, Al
Dragstk

[Dragstk]

I downloaded Folding, set it up and we're off and running. I checked the status log,and it showed I was running a Tinker. No big deal, but as I have never gotten one before, it made me curious. I checked in Program Files and found Core_65. Is this the core to run Tinkers?
I deleated it, let Folding install another core, but got the same one again. My dedicated Folder runs Core_78.
After going to the "Everything about F@H" thread, I see a place to get the latest cores. I see there is Core_79 now.
Is the 79 core the best one to get? Do I get the f@h, or .exe.bz version.
Once downloaded, I just direct it to my Folding Folder?
I apologize for the noob questions.And I certainly don't mind running the Tinkers, but I'd also like to run the Gromacs, also
Thank you;
Dragstk

[profdlp]

The core varies depending on the type of protein you are Folding. There is no "good" or "bad" core, other than updated versions of the same core #.

I'm not sure, but I think when F@H is first installed it generally starts you off with a Tinker. Glad to see you expanding your Folding empire! :wave:

[csimon]

View the FAHlog.txt file and the very beginning should look like this ...



--- Opening Log file [March 2 03:07:52]


# Windows Console Edition #####################################################
###############################################################################

Folding@home Client Version 4.00

http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Arguments: -service -advmethods -forcesse

Warning:
By using the -forceSSE flag, you are overriding program
safeguards that monitor the stability of SSE
instructions on your system. If you did not intend
to do this, please restart the program without
-forceSSE. If work units are not completing fully,
then please discontinue use of the flag.

If it does and you see the -advmethods flag then you have every chance of getting gromacs as everyone else. So sooner or later you'll get one hang tight! :fold:

[mmonnin]

Core 65 is the tinker core. The .bz is a linux file extension, that or a Mac. Not windows.

Core 79 is not for windows.:)

You are going fine.:)

[Straight_Man]

Core 65 is the tinker core. The .bz is a linux file extension, that or a Mac. Not windows.

Core 79 is not for windows.:)

You are going fine.:)

Linux. Means Binary ZIP. Can be gunzipped (gunzip is Gnu's unzipper, but I would have to read up on what switches are used for a .bz or tell someone to use ARK in KDE or Gnome). Mac uses something similar, not the same extension though (not natively AFAIK but it has a been a while since I have played on a Mac, they can extract .bz and .bz2 archives if the right utils are used, though). Apples used to use .bin and .rar and still might, and they can usually make tarballs with Tar also. The .bin extension was used by older apples both as archives and as executables. In fact, the most common passing of public domain files was as .bin attachments to emails or BBS postings.

Anyone who has lots of oddball archives can look at them with PicoZIP in Windows if they want, but those that do not contain .exe files are not for Windows. The silly thing knows how to look at and work with 23 kinds of archives, nice thing to have in your software toolkit.

John D.

[Dragstk]

Thanks for all the info. It helps that you explain these things. I'm always learning here, and I appreciate it.
csimon-although I have -advmethods -forcesse type in program files, it does not show up in the status log. I'll just wait out this WU, and see if things change after the first wu being finished.
prof- I didn't mean to say that Tinkers are "bad". My full time Folding machine has run straight gromacs, and if this machine runs Tinkers, so be it. They all need to be run.
I know that running advmethods and forcesse makes the machine run quicker, and I'm just trying to get some work done. :)
Thanks again for the explainations and the help.
Dragstk

[profdlp]

...prof- I didn't mean to say that Tinkers are "bad". My full time Folding machine has run straight gromacs, and if this machine runs Tinkers, so be it. They all need to be run...
No, I know you didn't mean that. What I was trying to say was that as long as you have the latest core (of whatever type, 65, 78, etc) it will do the job. :cheers:

Besides, you're doing just fine! (http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10766) :woowoo:

[edcentric]

It sounds like you don't have the flags set right. The should come up in the header whenever you start folding.

[Dragstk]

edcentric;
I went and checked Program Files, and 3 flags are there, -advmethods -forcesse -verbosity 9. I checked that I spelled them right, even checked them against my other computer. So, I retyped it all, rebooted, and got the same results. No flags, in the status log.
I'll just wait out this Tinker, see what happens after that.

[Dragstk]

I waited until the computer finished the 400 Tinker. (this took close to 30 hrs. to run) and this is what I get, below. It is repeated at least 20 times.

[16:03:48] Folding@Home2 Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
[16:03:51] CoreStatus = 64 (100)
[16:03:51] Sending work to server


[16:03:51] + Attempting to send results
[16:04:31] - Unknown packet returned from server, expected ACK for results
[16:04:31] - Error: Could not transmit unit 01 (completed March 7). Keeping unit in queue.


[16:04:31] + Attempting to send results
[16:05:15] Error: Got status code 502 from server
[16:05:15] + Could not connect to Work Server (results)
[16:05:15] (171.64.122.143:8080)
[16:05:15] - Error: Could not transmit unit 01 (completed March 7). Keeping unit in queue.
[16:05:15] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[16:05:15] + Attempting to get work packet
[16:05:15] - Connecting to assignment server
[16:05:16] - Successful: assigned to (171.64.122.143).
[16:05:16] + News From Folding@Home: v.4 client available
[16:05:16] Loaded queue successfully.


[16:05:18] + Attempting to send results
[16:06:01] Error: Got status code 502 from server
[16:06:01] + Could not connect to Work Server (results)
[16:06:01] (171.64.122.143:8080)
[16:06:01] - Error: Could not transmit unit 01 (completed March 7). Keeping unit in queue.
[16:06:01] + Closed connections
[16:06:01]
[16:06:01] + Processing work unit
[16:06:01] Core required: FahCore_65.exe
[16:06:01] Core found.
[16:06:01] Working on Unit 02 [March 7 16:06:01]
[16:06:01] + Working ...
[16:06:01] Folding@Home Client Core Version 2.47 (June 14, 2002)
[16:06:01]
[16:06:01] Proj: work/wudata_02
[16:06:01] Couldn't v3Decompress
[16:06:01] - Fatal: Could not decompress work unit data.
[16:06:01] Error: Could not open work file
[16:06:01]
[16:06:01] Folding@Home2 Core Shutdown: FILE_IO_ERROR
[16:06:05] CoreStatus = 75 (117)
[16:06:05] Error opening or reading from a file.
[16:06:05] Deleting current work unit & continuing..

Then I get this:

[16:16:54] Folding@Home2 Core Shutdown: MISSING_WORK_FILES
[16:16:58] CoreStatus = 74 (116)
[16:16:58] The core could not find the work files specified. Removing from queue
[16:16:58] Deleting current work unit & continuing..

At this point it downloads another Core_65 work unit, but then has several errors of not getting work, then getting it, but can't uncompress, then I start getting "missing work files". It tries to run, at least 30 times.
Eventually giving up, and downloading the Core_78. It installs, and then has about 10 attemps to get work, and start. All sorts of errors here.
Finally connects, gets a WU (but with no flags), runs and finishes the WU, then this



[21:54:45] + Attempting to send results
[21:55:45] Error: Got status code 502 from server
[21:55:45] + Could not connect to Work Server (results)
[21:55:45] (171.64.122.117:8080)
[21:55:45] - Error: Could not transmit unit 00 (completed March 7). Keeping unit in queue.


[21:55:45] + Attempting to send results
[21:56:37] Error: Got status code 502 from server
[21:56:37] + Could not connect to Work Server (results)
[21:56:37] (171.64.122.117:8080)
[21:56:37] - Error: Could not transmit unit 00 (completed March 7). Keeping unit in queue.


[21:56:37] + Attempting to send results
[21:57:31] Error: Got status code 502 from server
[21:57:31] + Could not connect to Work Server (results)
[21:57:31] (171.64.122.117:8080)
[21:57:31] - Error: Could not transmit unit 00 (completed March 7). Keeping unit in queue.
[21:57:31] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[21:57:31] + Attempting to get work packet
[21:57:31] - Connecting to assignment server
[21:57:32] - Successful: assigned to (171.64.122.143).
[21:57:32] + News From Folding@Home: v.4 client available
[21:57:32] Loaded queue successfully.


[21:57:33] + Attempting to send results
[21:58:27] Error: Got status code 502 from server
[21:58:27] + Could not connect to Work Server (results)
[21:58:27] (171.64.122.117:8080)
[21:58:27] - Error: Could not transmit unit 00 (completed March 7). Keeping unit in queue.

over and over- at least 30 times. Then this:

[23:29:17] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FILE_IO_ERROR
[23:29:21] CoreStatus = 75 (117)
[23:29:21] Error opening or reading from a file.
[23:29:21] Too many errors during run. Purging queue.

This is where I am now. Right now it is trying to get a WU.

I'm sorry for the length of this. I am trying to supply as much info as possible, so somebody can tell what is happening, and what to do. Basically, my computer has run 2 WU's and both were thrown out.
Thank you
Dragstk

[csimon]

dragstk ...how do you start and stop the folding client? With a shortcut or what?

[mmonnin]

In your work folder, do you have any files that have results in the filename. If not then wipe the whiole FAH directory and start over. If you have a reults file then keep those and your queue and start over.

You also might want to try deleting the core and client and getting another fresh copy.

[Dragstk]

There is the red "star", down in the toolbar. But I never set any starts or stops. As long as the computer is on, it's Folding

[mmonnin]

OK then that means you have the GUI. During the install there is a shortcut placed in the startup folder.

[Dragstk]

mmonnin-I deleted the core and client, started back up, it benchmarked, downloaded core_78, installed all flags, and then back to the same errors
I have 2 wuresults in my work file. So, I just cut and paste that and the queue somewhere else, deleate all of Folding, redownload, and put the work and queue back in?

[mmonnin]

Yep cut those files out. Redownload the client, install the client and put the wuresults file back in the Work folder and paste the queue over top of the queue if there is one after install. Not sure if it will work with it being the GUI. Hopefully.:)

[csimon]

How are you installing the flags? Or where is what I should ask I suppose.
There is the red "star", down in the toolbar. But I never set any starts or stops. As long as the computer is on, it's Folding
Maybe it's safe to assume you have a shortcut in the startup menu ...check to see it that is true ...in that case if you see a shortcut in there we will edit it and you are on your way to gromacs and sse

[Dragstk]

mmonnin-I did as you suggested, same results: this just being repeated over and over

[00:53:16] Folding@home Gromacs Core
[00:53:16] Version 1.56 (February 2, 2004)
[00:53:16]
[00:53:16] Preparing to commence simulation
[00:53:16] - Looking at optimizations...
[00:53:16] - Created dyn
[00:53:16] - Files status OK
[00:53:16] Couldn't v3Decompress
[00:53:16] - Fatal: Could not decompress work unit data.
[00:53:16] Error: Could not open work file
[00:53:16]
[00:53:16] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FILE_IO_ERROR
[00:53:20] CoreStatus = 75 (117)
[00:53:20] Error opening or reading from a file.
[00:53:20] Deleting current work unit & continuing...
[00:53:24] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[00:53:24] + Attempting to get work packet
[00:53:24] - Connecting to assignment server
[00:53:24] - Successful: assigned to (171.67.89.151).
[00:53:24] + News From Folding@Home: v.4 client available
[00:53:24] Loaded queue successfully.
[00:53:28] + Closed connections
[00:53:33]
[00:53:33] + Processing work unit
[00:53:33] Core required: FahCore_78.exe
[00:53:33] Core found.
[00:53:33] Working on Unit 04 [March 8 00:53:33]
[00:53:33] + Working ...
[00:53:33]

csimon- flags are put in like this:
-advmethods -forcesse -verbosity 9
This is the same as my dedicated computer, and it runs perfectly fine.

[Dragstk]

csimon- I'm installing the flags in "C:\Program Files\Folding@Home\winFAH.exe" (then flags)
Sorry to be slow on the uptake here-In Start/Programs/Folding@Home- there is a "red star-Folding@Home 4.00
Is this what your asking about?

[mmonnin]

You wouldnt happen to be getting the same WU would you? Hmmm well you got tinkers and gromacs to do the same thing.

One problem found on the community was file permission errors. I guess some ppl got the v3Decompress error when they were not logged as the user whom installed FAH. Might want to check permissions.

Try scandisk. If all else fails uninstall it all and start over.

[csimon]

If you're client runs automatically when you boot the system then you probably either have the "flower" cog installed in the startup folder as shown below or you have installed it as a service ...unless it is being started by EMIII? See startup folder below ...is the red cog there on your system?

[Dragstk]

I tried deleting the core twice, and yes, both times I got WU 06. As we speak, it has downloaded core_65, after struggling to get going(a few errors) it is now running a 400 Tinker. But I really don't want to wait another 30 hours to find out all of this is for nothing again.
I am the only user of this computer. So everything is set to me.
Is it possible that something like Spybot, AdAware,AdSubtract or something similar is stopping this? Both my computers have ZoneAlarm and Norton antivirus, but I have spam, pop up filters on my main computer.
I'll run scandisc, and then try a reinstall.
Thanks for your time, you to csimon
Dragstk

[mmonnin]

I think I saw something about Firewalls or something on the community.

I would just uninstall by now.

[Dragstk]

csimon, yes, there is the red flower F@H in the start up as you describe.
I did have EM lll, but not any more, and it has not been running through any of this

[csimon]

so ...is that where you set the flags ...in the start up flower right?
right click the start up flower and then pick properties ...this is where we need to install the flags for them to work.
We need to make it look similar to the one I made below ...only add the flags as I have them since the rest seems to be working (more or less).

[Dragstk]

mmonnin-My dedicated computer runs through ZoneAlarm 24/7. I have tried shutting it off,in this computer, then deleteing the core, and rebooting. Same results.

[Dragstk]

Csimon, yes that is where the flags are installed-listed as such:
"C:\Program Files\Folding@Home\winFAH.exe" -advmethods -forcesse -verbosity 9

[Dragstk]

csimon-even though I now have 4 of 400 done in this Tinker, no flags are present in the log file.
With my dedicated computer, if I reboot, it loses the flags. So I shut off Folding,delete the Core_78, reboot, and all flags come back and are listed in the status log

[csimon]

Hmmm ...we might need to refer you to the community if we can't get things rolling.

[mmonnin]

Sounds really weird. I have no idea what exatly it is.

[Dragstk]

NOOOO please not the community ;D ;D ;D

[csimon]

With my dedicated computer, if I reboot, it loses the flags. this is also something that has me curious ...list your hardware and OS please.

[profdlp]

Is it possible you are running into a permissions problem? Are you installing as administrator and logging in and running it the same way?

I smell a MS security patch issue... :skeptic:

[mmonnin]

He already said he was the only user. I found that possible problem on the community as well.:)

[Dragstk]

csimon-my dedicated computer is:
Asus A7V333
XP2100 w/Zalman HS
512 (single stick) Kreton memory
20G.WD HD
Generic 8bit video card
XP Pro OS

Profdlp- I have deleted Folding, twice now, and on the start up page of Folding, logged in, in my name, 2nd time as administrator. I now can get Folding to start with core_78, and all flags installed, but it still it has errors trying to start

[02:59:34] Preparing to commence simulation
[02:59:34] - Assembly optimizations manually forced on.
[02:59:34] - Not checking prior termination.
[02:59:34] Couldn't v3Decompress
[02:59:34] - Fatal: Could not decompress work unit data.
[02:59:34] Error: Could not open work file
[02:59:34]
[02:59:34] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FILE_IO_ERROR
[02:59:38] CoreStatus = 75 (117)

[csimon]

ok ...so you're using an amd processor and WinXP ...that's really all I need to know.

Lets see if we can manually stop and start WinFAH ...try right clicking on the flower in your taskbar and choose exit (or whatever looks simialar to that) ...that should stop it ...then go to start up and double click the flower there ...that should restart it ...then check the log file to see if that does some good.

[Dragstk]

csimon-nope, no good. I have started and stopped Folding several times, and rebooted several times, removed the core, removed the core and the client, uninstalled and reinstalled about 6 times now. Same error, every time (see my last post). It tries to run, gets error, several times, then deletes work unit and tries again.
I have checked the registry on both computers, configure pages, everything I can think of. The only difference is the user ID in the registry.
It's almost midnight here, and I've been up since 6am. It will be all good in the morning :) I'll work on it tomorrow.
I really appreciate all your efforts, from everyone.
Thank you
Dragstk

[profdlp]

This thread from the Folding Community Forums had some suggestions (http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?t=3947&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=v3decompress) you might find useful. The guy wasn't sure exactly what it was that fixed his problem, though.

[csimon]

csimon-nope, no good. I have started and stopped Folding several times, and rebooted several times, removed the core, removed the core and the client, uninstalled and reinstalled about 6 times now. Same error, every time (see my last post). It tries to run, gets error, several times, then deletes work unit and tries again.
I have checked the registry on both computers, configure pages, everything I can think of. The only difference is the user ID in the registry.
It's almost midnight here, and I've been up since 6am. It will be all good in the morning :) I'll work on it tomorrow.
I really appreciate all your efforts, from everyone.
Thank you
Dragstk
Okie doke ...I'm headed to bed as well. Next we'll try removing the -forcesse.

[muddocktor]

Dragstk, with all the problems you seem to be having trying to run the GUI version, why don't you d/l the no-frills console version and give it a try instead. Just install the exe file into the folder of your choice, I use "Folding1" myself without the quotes, and then make a shortcut from it to your startup folder and add the flags to the startup shortcut. To send the console to the system tray, I use a program called TrayIt, which is in the links in the sticky here. It will take the console off the taskbar and send it to the system tray when the console window is minimized. Then, you can monitor progress with EMIII with no problems and if you really want to see what the proteins you are working on look like you can d/l the chime plugin from the link at em-dc.com and then EMIII will give you a nice pretty picture of the proteins.

I would say right offhand that most of the long-time folders using windows are using the console client because it gives less trouble and you can run multiple instances of the client with the console also, which is especially important for dual rigs or HT enabled P4 machines.

[Dragstk]

Folding...day 2 :-/ :smiles:
I istalled the GUI version with just the -advmethods and -forceasm flags
same errors
I installed the console version-didn't even get to the installing flags part, same errors :banghead:
I suspect that I have something turned on, or off, or some program installed that is stopping Folding from running. But I have tried installing Folding with all firewalls, ad blocker, pop up stopper, anti virus turned off. Same results.
I'll just Fold on one machine, until I can get another built up

[mmonnin]

Have you checked to see if the HDD is good?

[Dragstk]

Well, I'm Folding :celebrate
mmonnin-I ran the WD diagnostic program, no errors
I was reading about witenoiz running straight Tinkers, that got me going to try this again. Installed Folding, and it took off :D
Core_78, running a gromacs. No flags, but then I didn't put any in. I'm almost reluctant to stop it and put them in.
Maybe it was a bad download??? I have no idea, I didn't change anything, except the time when I downloaded..
Thank you all, who took the time to help :cheers:
Dragstk

[Dragstk]

:banghead: OK, I give up trying to make this machine Fold. :banghead:
At 3 this afternoon, it started running a 5000step WU. It finished it at 7pm.
No flags, yet it ran it faster than any I have seen (in my limited experience.)
Sent the work back, I got credit, then right back to the same errors I've had all along. :shakehead

[Dragstk]

I thought I'd add a footnote to this thread.
I now have had Folding running on my computer for several days, and running well.
The problem all along was AdSubtract.
I can uncheck everything in there, so that it does nothing, but if it is on, Folding will not work. Close it down, and I'm good to go.
Oh well, learn something new every day

[profdlp]

Good to hear that your persistence paid off! You have surely helped a lot of others as well. This will be added to the list of things to check when F@H isn't working right.

:thumbsup: :fold: