Dual Layer is Here!

[Tropical]

Dual Layers are here! This puppy can write Dual LAYER DVDs at 2.4x which holds 8.4 GB of storage for only $230! I am defitnely buying one ! :clap:

check the rest here: link (http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-5174122.html?tag=nefd_top)

edit//change sided to layer, there is no such thing as a dual sided layer dvd, for more info check the link

[croc_]

how much for the media?

[ginipig]

Now if only it came in different colors.

[Tropical]

i don't know how much the new media will cost but they should be double what a dvd-r media would cost

[croc_]

I'm guessing it will be more than double.

[shwaip]

Just glue two dvd's together, you're set.

[Thrax]

Dual sided is not double layered.

[kanezfan]

what he said. if it was a double sided, double layered DVD, it would hold about 18GB of data. I don't see how they'll ever deliver writers that can do double layers to us either.

anyhow, I suppose you have to flip this thing over manually, or are there two lasers?

[a2jfreak]

;D ;D ;D

Love it!

Things I hate: Sanyo, UT2004, Day of Defeat, Wiggers, Rap, R&B, Intel, nVidia, netscape, mozilla, opera, SUPER EVIL DEMOCRATS, BusLink, any motherboard company that isn't Abit, any PSU that isn't CompUSA, Lightwave, Counter-Strike, Apple, single-button mice, any HDD that isn't maxtor/WD, LCD monitors, ball mice, super evil democrats, communists, socialists, geeky posting threads to me that I've already seen via aim, any rifle caliber smaller than 5.56 (It's just not worth it), Deus Ex, Max Payne, Gary Condit, the state of California, the controversial 2000 election counties of Florida, illegal immigration, pigeons, cisco curriculum, network admi bitchwork, java, dog crap on my ****ing front lawn, dull knives, feminine itching, tennis on TV, golf on TV, wizards, bards, and druids, Cuba, Jesse Jackson, Michael Jackson, Al Sharpton, the ACLU, ambulance chasers, dirty evil liberals, haters of the vast right-wing conspiracy (I'm a card carrying member), PMS, soggy cornflakes, bad porn music, fat women in dishrags for clothing, suffering from drippage because shaking the one eyed pirate more than three times is considered playing with it, Howard Stern, CNN, CSPAN, Trent Sutherland, Bill Clinton, Bubb Rubb, DiVX, OGM, WM9, Shockwave, Jim Dresbach, Luclin, the flash videos that everyone in the ****ing world sends me after I saw it three months ago, and any movie that won an oscar that wasn't RoTK. Got it?

[Jake]

;D ;D ;D

Love it!

Originally Posted by Thrax
Things I hate: Sanyo, UT2004, Day of Defeat, Wiggers, Rap, R&B, Intel, nVidia, netscape, mozilla, opera, SUPER EVIL DEMOCRATS, BusLink, any motherboard company that isn't Abit, any PSU that isn't CompUSA, Lightwave, Counter-Strike, Apple, single-button mice, any HDD that isn't maxtor/WD, LCD monitors, ball mice, super evil democrats, communists, socialists, geeky posting threads to me that I've already seen via aim, any rifle caliber smaller than 5.56 (It's just not worth it), Deus Ex, Max Payne, Gary Condit, the state of California, the controversial 2000 election counties of Florida, illegal immigration, pigeons, cisco curriculum, network admi bitchwork, java, dog crap on my ****ing front lawn, dull knives, feminine itching, tennis on TV, golf on TV, wizards, bards, and druids, Cuba, Jesse Jackson, Michael Jackson, Al Sharpton, the ACLU, ambulance chasers, dirty evil liberals, haters of the vast right-wing conspiracy (I'm a card carrying member), PMS, soggy cornflakes, bad porn music, fat women in dishrags for clothing, suffering from drippage because shaking the one eyed pirate more than three times is considered playing with it, Howard Stern, CNN, CSPAN, Trent Sutherland, Bill Clinton, Bubb Rubb, DiVX, OGM, WM9, Shockwave, Jim Dresbach, Luclin, the flash videos that everyone in the ****ing world sends me after I saw it three months ago, and any movie that won an oscar that wasn't RoTK. Got it?



Much anger I sense in you.... Both of you. :buck:

[Jake]

what he said. if it was a double sided, double layered DVD, it would hold about 18GB of data. I don't see how they'll ever deliver writers that can do double layers to us either.

anyhow, I suppose you have to flip this thing over manually, or are there two lasers?

Dual-layer recorders are coming very soon, some of the current generation of 8x recorders may even be upgradeable to dual-layer recorders via a firmware update. The recorder mentioned above is NOT a dual-side recorder, it is a dual-layer recorder. I have heard absolutely no mention of anyone producing a dual-side recorder--nor do I imagine we ever will. Too much of a niche market for such a thing, in my opinion.

[a2jfreak]

Jake, don't start it. I've ignored your other posts that were a bit much.

Besides, what's "angry" about what Thrax said? I find it funny. Some of those things I actually like and still find funny. Sanyo, Mozilla, DIVX, WM9.

Besides, judging by your AV, it appears you're the one that's angry. Sheesh. Chill out. Take it to KBJ, I'm sure you and prime and Dexter can all make a go at taking shots at me over there. :)

Much anger I sense in you.... Both of you. :buck:

[Jake]

Besides, what's "angry" about what Thrax said?

I don't know, just sounded like an awful lot of hate to me. And hate is usually equated with fear, anger, etc.

Besides, judging by your AV, it appears you're the one that's angry.

Who, me? No, no, I'm all about the love. :cheers:

Except when I see something actively working against the love. Then I've gotta speak my piece--which occasionally comes out as a :rant:

Looking forward to the day when :sweflag: is = to :ukflag: is = to :canflag: is = to :usflag:

Instead of :usflag: is > :sweflag: :ukflag: :Canflag:

Oh to hope, to dream....

[kanezfan]

i'd like to point out Last edited by Tropical on 03-17-2004 at 06:46 PM. on the original post. he did post that it was double sided originally.

[Jake]

I can vouch for that. Hell, it still says that it writes "Dual Sided DVDs" up there.

[profdlp]

Gee, glad I found this thread.

(Went to a fight and a hockey game broke out...)

[Jake]

Gee, glad I found this thread.

(Went to a fight and a hockey game broke out...)

All in the spirit of stimulating thought, I assure you. :bigggrin:

[Tropical]

i just noticed my mistakes, sorry for the mass confusion.
here is the deal:

dual layer dvd or DVD9 are compatible with normal DVD ROMs
DVD9 are not double SIDED
DVD9 offer 8.5 GB of space per disk
I not sure by updating the firmware on your DVD Burner you would be able to burn a DVD9; new DVD burner might be need. :banghead:

DVD9 IS NOT DUAL SIDED! :rarr:

check the pic for the guts of this beast:

[croc_]

I just went by what it said in the picture "double layer"

[Jake]

I not sure by updating the firmware on your DVD Burner you would be able to burn a DVD9; new DVD burner might be need. :banghead:

It is widely suspected in the optical drive firmware flashing community that certain Pioneer DVD recorders will be upgradable to Dual-Layer burners once Pioneer "officially" supports the technology and firmwares become available to hack. There may be other manufacturers as well, but Pioneer is the one which I am primarily aware of.

If this sounds too unlikely, just be aware that there are any number of DVD+R drives out there which can easily have their firmware flashed to turn them into dual format DVD+/-R drives, so it isn't that outlandish. All a matter of what hardware they were originally built with and whether the manufacturer decides to turn features off in firmware in order to differentiate their product lines as opposed to actually making different hardware--all based on cost analyses, of course.

[godzilla525]

Depending on the angle of the laser beam from the focal point, non-dual-layer drives could do it, but some with too narrow a beam to start with would end up burning both layers at once.

e.g. /\ vs. |

The DVD standard allows for 1S1L, 1S2L, 2S1L (Spaceballs?), and 2S2L discs.

2S2L might be pushing it since the two layers on one side would have to be placed much closer together and it would be difficult to burn one layer without trashing the other layer.

Given the trash-grade and fickle CD-Rs that permeate the market now, why bother with DVD+/-R anyway? :)

[Gobbles]

dual sided dvds have been around for along time. We install one in every server we build. It will burn 9.4gig between the 2 sides.

This drive however doing 8.4 to a single side dvd is killer. Must sell organs and by one...

Gobbles

[ginipig]

Is the resulting media readable by good ole' dvd-rom?

[croc_]

Is the resulting media readable by good ole' dvd-rom?

I would imagine yes. Since most movie dvds are double layer, no?

[Thrax]

"Hate." Not hate.

[MJO]

The dual layer recorders arrive at last.
Now I will consider buying one.
I didn't want a single layer recorder, when dual layer was right around the corner.

My Plextor CDRW is still burning without a hitch though, and it will probably keep on burning.

[Leonardo]

No, this thread is valid and useful. No, the thread hasn't been hijacked by politics. This is just a nip-in-the-bud warning before the little political jabs get more serious.

And by all means, there's nothing better than a hot political debate! ...just not here. Take it to keyboardjockey.

:wave: