Nothing Runs in Full Screen Mode (*Only Games*)

[Rush2004]

Hey..

im new to the forums and need help! :), btw looks like youve got a good forum up and running good job hehe

Basically ive got..

XP PRO
AMD 3000 64Bit CPU
256mb Radeon Graphics Card
Gigabyte motherboard with onboard nvidia support NForce 3 <---?? hehe
1Gb Kingston Ram

basically any game i try to run, it gets as far as the first screen and drop's back to desktop, Game is still responding and in working order it just doesnt let me maximise.. If the game allows you to run it in windowed then there is no problem i can do that, but as far as the crashing goes im not sure what else to do ... CAN ANYONE HELP ME :)

Thanks for your time

Rush

P.S sorry if this is in the wrong forum :rolleyes:

[Necropolis]

Have you tried turning VPU recover off in the display control panel? Try that and see if it works.

[shwaip]

If you try to run your games at a lower resolution, does it still crash?

[dragonV8]

G'day Rush2004. First, welcome to the forum. Unfortunately i can't help you with your problem, just thought i'd say hello. Since i'm in Australia and being in a different timezone, it's possible the majority of members are getting their much needed beauty sleep, lol.

Hang in there as sooner or later someone will come back to you, i'm sure.

Regards

Jon

Edit: There ya go. Took too long to write this post and 2 others snuck a few posts in, lol.

[Black Hawk]

Could you specify what video card you have (model)?

[Rush2004]

lol yeh the forums are well used :thumbsup:

At college at the moment, but thanks for the replies and ill try a few things out later when i get back, but yeh amazing response..

Thanks all

---edit---
yeh i cant remember off hand, sounds bad i know :) just get confused with my old one lol but ill get the details up shortley

thanks

---edit 2----
Come to think of it im 99.9% sure its the Radeon 9800 Series PRO 256mb is that what you were after :P
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[Necropolis]

Welcome to the forums. If your currently in college then your from this side of the pond. Where you from?

[Rush2004]

hehe, im from Newbury m8, near London if you dont know it (wouldnt be surprised lol) where abouts you from?

and yeh before you say it ill fill out my account details, where im from etc hehe :cool:

thanks for the feedback people

[Necropolis]

hehe, im from Newbury m8, near London if you dont know it (wouldnt be surprised lol) where abouts you from?

and yeh before you say it ill fill out my account details, where im from etc hehe :cool:

thanks for the feedback people

Im from Liverpool mate. We have a small number of Brits in here, myself, Shorty (or Dan as he's calling himself at the moment), Spinner, Jimborae, bothered, cyrixinstead, crypto (there is probably more but my brain is still waking up).

Nice to see another from over here (we are taking over slowly but surely :ukflag: )

[Rush2004]

lol :) yeh im still waking up aswell spent all night reinstalling windows and software etc again *sigh*

correct me if im wrong but when i first got my PC i didnt bother installing the Mobo drivers for the Nvidia onboard graphics etc that features on the board it's self, instead i just installed drivers for my radeon and audigy cards because i wanted them to be used as primary, would this be anything to do with what's happening to my PC :P

Dunno just a thought :cool:

[Necropolis]

Nowadays I would recommend getting the latest motherboard drivers installed. They fix some problems.

[Rush2004]

ok cheers Nec :ukflag: hehe

[Rush2004]

yeh it does crash on lower resolution and Nec i cant seem to find that option on my Gfx card, its a 9600PRO 265mb if that helps any idea's people?

[Necropolis]

What verson of the Catalyst drivers are you running? Is it the latest ones from ATI's site? If not then I suggest updating to them. Also drop AGP setting from 8X to 4X that fixes alot of problems with 9600's and turn fastwrites off.

[Rush2004]

Yeh ive done all that Nec, do you think it might be a hardware conflict or something?

[Straight_Man]

It IS quite possible you have a problem with OEM DirectX conflicts or NVidia AGP versus ATI underlying drivers.

Now, games run, but what software does not run full screen??? Could you give us some examples???

The Radeon card is likely to be a native DirectX 9.0 card. The embedded graphics chip is likely to NOT be a completely DirectX 9.0 native chip. Result will be they need different graphics sublayering in Directx, especially as to 3D.

So, yes, that could do what you have if I am right. I cannot guarantee this, only say that NVidia presence of graphics drivers with a Radeon card present has been known to cause all sorts of conflicts. The twain like different sublayers.

Also, how big a screen is this, and what color depths are you using??? Many programs like 16 bit color natively, or lesser color depth. Most were tuned for 16 bit. Adobe stuff is an exception, especially the graphics stuff.

I would update the Nvidia graphics to latest, and install the AGP bus support but not the grpahics chip drivers if you can arrange to do that. Alternatively, using an NVidia card INSTEAD of ATI card, one of the new ones, will get your underlying graphics layers more in sync.

One way to accomplish this might be to DISABLE embedded video chip if you can do that in BIOS, then uninstall the Nvidia graphics chip drivers, then reapply the ATI drivers, then install the DirectX 9.0b upgrade from Microsoft. THEN see how things go, ok???

John D.

[Rush2004]

It IS quite possible you have a problem with OEM DirectX conflicts or NVidia AGP versus ATI underlying drivers.

Now, games run, but what software does not run full screen??? Could you give us some examples???

The Radeon card is likely to be a native DirectX 9.0 card. The embedded graphics chip is likely to NOT be a completely DirectX 9.0 native chip. Result will be they need different graphics sublayering in Directx, especially as to 3D.

So, yes, that could do what you have if I am right. I cannot guarantee this, only say that NVidia presence of graphics drivers with a Radeon card present has been known to cause all sorts of conflicts. The twain like different sublayers.

Also, how big a screen is this, and what color depths are you using??? Many programs like 16 bit color natively, or lesser color depth. Most were tuned for 16 bit. Adobe stuff is an exception, especially the graphics stuff.

I would update the Nvidia graphics to latest, and install the AGP bus support but not the grpahics chip drivers if you can arrange to do that. Alternatively, using an NVidia card INSTEAD of ATI card, one of the new ones, will get your underlying graphics layers more in sync.

One way to accomplish this might be to DISABLE embedded video chip if you can do that in BIOS, then uninstall the Nvidia graphics chip drivers, then reapply the ATI drivers, then install the DirectX 9.0b upgrade from Microsoft. THEN see how things go, ok???

John D.

Hey John,

thanks for the reply m8, think you got it the wrong way round , all software is ok but games dont run full screen :)

Sounds like youve hit the nail on the head their with the nvidia gfx chip its what i thought could be wrong, conflict with the mobo chip and the ATI card,

monitor runs in 16bit but i can change to 32, and its a 21" CRT Flat screen, am going to try and turn the chip of now wish me luck lol

Cheers Rush

[Thrax]

Yeah, if you don't have the onboard video disabled, do so.

[Jimborae]

Cool, a fellow Short-Median from Newbury, how strange as it's just a small market town with a relatively small population. Where in Newbury do you live ?

[Straight_Man]

Hey John,

thanks for the reply m8, think you got it the wrong way round , all software is ok but games dont run full screen :)

Sounds like youve hit the nail on the head their with the nvidia gfx chip its what i thought could be wrong, conflict with the mobo chip and the ATI card,

monitor runs in 16bit but i can change to 32, and its a 21" CRT Flat screen, am going to try and turn the chip of now wish me luck lol

Cheers Rush

Ok, misunderstood thrust of what you were saying, but problems could be what I outlined and fix could be the same anyways. I have seen both ways happen-- fix was a variant of same process depending on what was embedded and what was the AGP card. Both ATI and NVidia can and do OEM DirectX. DIFFERENTLY.

In fact, with older Windows O\Ss I have had to pull the embedded drivers, reduce graphics to default for those versions (640x480, unknown video card, stock VGA driver from Widnows, default SVGA or VGA adapter driver in other words) and then also install DirectX from the card's mfr after disabling onboard video as much as possible. I got good at taking 98 SE, switching from one mfr's card to the other mfr's card without reloading Windows. The hardest was trying to go from NVidia to Radeon or vice versa.

BTW, as you get more experienced, there is a call that might come in handy for you, from Start|Run

Type in dxdiag.exe and tap enter key. This is DirectX's diag util. It will give you all sorts of info and let you test DirectX components some. 3D functionality will be one of the things it can test, along with audio.

John D.

[Rush2004]

Live in Wash Common hehe :) where abouts are you from?
... Yeh i think i knew about that Dxdialog thing already wasnt sure how to get into it tho, It is working fine atm, i didnt install the Nvidia Chip drivers and it seems to be ok.. we will see

Btw guys amazing responses well impressed ;)

Cheers

[Jimborae]

Live in Wash Common hehe :) where abouts are you from?
... Yeh i think i knew about that Dxdialog thing already wasnt sure how to get into it tho, It is working fine atm, i didnt install the Nvidia Chip drivers and it seems to be ok.. we will see

Btw guys amazing responses well impressed ;)

Cheers


I used to live on Meyrick Drive in Wash Common, now I live in Stroud Green , by the race course & The Plough On The Green, you're about 2 miles from me. Small world isn't it. :ukflag:

If you hang around more & check out Short-Media, you'll soon see that this is one the best forums out there with an absolute mine of talented & knowledgable individuals who are always willing to help. :thumbsup:

[Rush2004]

yeh hehe has helped alot so far man :)

BTW... My PC is still having this problem, i had in video devices, RADEON 9600 and RADEON 9600 (secondary)

i disabled one of them and it sorted it for a while and now its happening again anyone have any more idea's :S

Cheers Rush

[shwaip]

That's normal, one's for the second output on the card.

[Rush2004]

Still having problems :(

Ive tried turning of the Nividia chip but im not sure where it is in bios....

nothing stands out to me as being it so... i have Primary Chip and Secondary Chip would any of those be it?

Ive updated to 9.0b Direct X and still nothing.

i have a Mediamax RADEON9600PRO card 256mb powered by ATi rather than BUILT, ive looked everywhere cant find the new drivers.. can anyone help me out or any more suggestions/tips would be appreciated

thanks again

[Jimborae]

For the graphics drivers try

www.short-media.com on the front page in the downloads section. :)

(we really need to have a link to the front page in the forums or if there is one I can't find it)

Also I'm not familiar with your bios but there should be an ooption to disable onboard graphics some where unless it automatically detects the presence of an agp card.

It would really help if posted your what model of gigabyte board it is.

[Rush2004]

the gigabyte board is an K8 Triton Limited Edition

GA-K8NNXP

Nforce3 150 chipset

Does this help and yeh thanks for the drivers, but they seem to make Win XP lock up when starting windows screen the process bar goes along in 3 steps rather than smooth...

[Jimborae]

Well as far as I can tell from Gigabyte's website, it doesn't have onboard graphics so I doubt thats the problem.

To my mind this sounds driver/bios related. Have you checked to see if there's a newer bios to what you have got.

[bothered]

If you hang around more & check out Short-Media, you'll soon see that this is one the best forums out there with an absolute mine of talented & knowledgable individuals who are always willing to help. :thumbsup:

Don't forget bothered, he's here too.

[Jimborae]

Don't forget bothered, he's here too.


As if we could or would! :) :thumbsup:

[Rush2004]

Lol bothered :)

Jim, i have dual bios running but im not sure on the actual bios i am running, i noticed that yeh the onboard graphics auto detecs an AGP card so thats not the problem....

and i got a new error message come up.. telling me that it seems to be a problem with the RADEON9600PRO drivers that are not working corretly..

im going to download the new ones again from this website so if u dont see me for a few hours you know why lol :)

Thanks again Jim