XP1700+ JIUHB.... yet again [Archive]

paroxym

5 Jun 2003, 12:29am

Yup, I figured I would jump on the bandwagon, albiet a little late, and throw my latest OC up on the boards for your amusement.
I picked up this 1700+ JIUHB around the same time leishi and others were frantic over their crazy overclocks . Well, until now I had been trapped on an ancient (?!?) :p Kr7A-RAID and wasnt able to get much outta my chip or my OCZ PC2700 EL rev. 3.2. I have since picked up an Abit NF7-s Rev. 2 and I must say, I didnt think I was gonna be able to push it this high. See for your self...
http://members.rogers.com/danasven/images/oc.gif
Its not the highest OC in the world but the FSB and memory timiings I was able to pull totally caught me by surprise.
When I get a free moment or two I plan to push the Vcore a little more and see if theres any more juice in this chip.

/PX

mmonnin

5 Jun 2003, 12:46am

Not too bad considering its PC2700. 40mhz out of spec.

Thrax

5 Jun 2003, 12:53am

You should be able to do faster than that, too. :)

EMT

5 Jun 2003, 12:57am

Yep. I got the same kind of chip this week (damn they're cheap!) and I'm testing around 2400MHz now, just air cooled. Keep pushing it! :)

paroxym

5 Jun 2003, 01:02am

I thinks this ram reached it limits though. I booted up at 210 and 208, both at 2.9v vdimm and had it crap out after about 5 mins in prime95. I'm also a little weary of jumping the voltage on the vcore beyond 1.8for the sake of a few extra mhz... not to mention having to cool that OC once the weather here warms up. :p (I'm at about 45c full load, SmartFanII at full bore, in a chilly room.:cool: )

It seems pretty cozy where its at but Im sure Ill end up fiddlin around with it again.

Where are the rest of you XP1700+ Oc'ers at?? :D

/PX

Thrax

5 Jun 2003, 01:19am

http://www.zope.org/Members/Thrax/oc2.jpghttp://www.zope.org/Members/Thrax/oc1.jpg

I can go faster, but the computer isn't being restarted to try. It's going until it crashes, or I have to take it to the next LAN party.

43*C/111*F full load.

Clutch

5 Jun 2003, 02:15am

I think I might pick me up another 1700+, the price is soo tempting right now. You guys better stop posting those screen shots before you make me pull out the credit card.

hpr

5 Jun 2003, 02:24am

okies guys, what week are those chips, cause i just picked me up a jiuhb 0312 1.6vcore default and its at 2200 and 1.8vcore right now, i am positive it can do higher but the raid on my KX7 died and both my hard drives are on the IDE chans and i dont want them ****ing up on me :| that and i think that my ram sucks too :|

paroxym

5 Jun 2003, 02:56am

My chip is a 0308 I believe, 1.6 volts as well.
Its my guess that Thrax's chip is one of the newer DLTC (1.5v) as he's runnin it pretty high for what appears to be a slightly higher vcore than what mine runs at stock.

The board made all the difference in the world for my OC'ing experience. My ram would ceiling pretty quick, being held back by my old via266 chipset.

Clutch: Grab one and join in the fun. Those 1700's are too much of a bargain to pass up :D

/PX

Thrax

5 Jun 2003, 03:05am

JIUHB/DLT3C/0310/WPMW

The best there is besides the 0319 of the same type.

<b>Shameless motherboard plug:</b>
<I>Abit NF7-S 2.0 with the A1/C1 stepping is the best motherboard around.

[:] 8rda+ is scarcely available in anything but A1/A2
[:] 8rda3+ is not available with the MCP-T
[:] A7N8X doesn't reach the Abit's bus speeds

The NF7-S overclocks expertly, is stable, has excellent features, has the MCP-T, and is 95% available in A1/C1 varieties</I>

Clutch

5 Jun 2003, 03:37am

paroxym said

Clutch: Grab one and join in the fun. Those 1700's are too much of a bargain to pass up :D

/PX

I'm considering it right now. The only problem that I'm seeing right now, is that I don't have enough money right away to put together a complete build. So I don't know if I should go ahead and pick me up a 1700+ while the prices are so low, and wait for video card prices to drop. Or should I just wait until say the 2000+ prices drop which probably want be too soon, but if I do wait then I could risk the 1700's going out of stock also. Too many decisions I tell ya.

EMT

5 Jun 2003, 03:48am

Mine's 0312 VPMW, 1.6 VCore default (that's DUT3C right? confusing, hehe). And JIUHB of course, from Newegg last week.

I have a SLK-800 with a ~50CFM mediocre fan. I got to 2.4GHz by using a high multi and a lowish (166-175) FSB, as well as high voltage (2.2V). It's a KD7-RAID by the way. Anyway, paroxym, can you up the multi any and let off the FSB a bit? No board's top multi is 11.0...

paroxym

5 Jun 2003, 04:24am

EMT said
Anyway, paroxym, can you up the multi any and let off the FSB a bit? No board's top multi is 11.0...

Yeah, the multi goes up to 22 on the NF7. However, I'm crunching on a WU right now so I'm waiting for a break before I reboot this puppy and try to push her a little more.

I would have tried taking my vcore as high as 2.2 to stablize a higher clock but I'm kinda weary of doing so. What kinda of temps are you holding at load with that slk-800? I have a sk7 myself and with my SmartFanII (in addition to all four 35cfm case fans) running full speed, I can hold it down at around 44-45*C. Also, is that 2400mhz overclock stable? I had my chip clocked higher but it was choking out on f@h and prime95.

/PX

//Edit* "Can I make it through a post without SP errors?! Geez." :p

Clutch

5 Jun 2003, 04:52am

I'm interested in knowing what EMT's cooling situation is looking like. How many case fans are you running? And how stable was it running when you had it to 2.4Ghz?

Ultra Nexus

5 Jun 2003, 03:40pm

Thrax said
http://www.zope.org/Members/Thrax/oc2.jpghttp://www.zope.org/Members/Thrax/oc1.jpg

I can go faster, but the computer isn't being restarted to try. It's going until it crashes, or I have to take it to the next LAN party.

43*C/111*F full load.

Nice! I have the same chip but XPMW instead!

Do you fold 100% problem free with that voltage? I found that this cpus get warmer that 1.6v brothers... The max I could squeeze it was 2.5Ghz@ 1.925v NOT 100% stable.

I`m now running it at 2.35Ghz @ 1.7v (though it can run at 1.65v too but once in a while it craps some gromac WU)

Thrax

5 Jun 2003, 04:08pm

Folding runs 24/7 with those temps and settings. In fact, my computer has been up consistently for as many days and hours as my sig states.

I'll push it farther when the computer crashes, or I have to turn it off to take it to a LAN party.

But right now, 1.65v, 2.33GHz and 111*F is just fine by me.

I want 230 x 11 though.

TheSmJ

5 Jun 2003, 04:36pm

Wow, after seeing these results, I cant wait for my 1700+ (same stepping) to show up tommrow! Looks like it will be a real high roller.

Nice OCs everyone!

Ultra Nexus

5 Jun 2003, 05:12pm

TheSmJ said
Wow, after seeing these results, I cant wait for my 1700+ (same stepping) to show up tommrow! Looks like it will be a real high roller.

Nice OCs everyone!

Post your results as soon as you have them! Good luck!

paroxym

5 Jun 2003, 06:55pm

Well, I decided to throw a little more juice into this chip and also back off on the fsb just a tad. Here's what I ended up with
http://members.rogers.com/danasven/images/2.33ghz.jpg
Hmm, not bad. :p It's burning it with f@h and Prime at the moment.
Also, a quick question for y'all - I upped my vcore to 1.85 yet it only shows 1.808-1.824 in Cpu-z as well as in MBM. Any idea why this is?
Thanks in advance.

/PX

Thrax

5 Jun 2003, 08:19pm

Probably because it's just not being supplied 1.85v...

EMT

5 Jun 2003, 09:42pm

Yeah, the voltage is just under spec. Set it a little higher than you want it to be, I guess.

Clutch said
I'm interested in knowing what EMT's cooling situation is looking like. How many case fans are you running? And how stable was it running when you had it to 2.4Ghz?

I have a Chieftec case with side & front 80mm fans (that's 2) and 2 output on the back. Also the PSU has a fan inside the case and outside.

I had about 2450MHz run for 2 days (folding) but unfortunately I came back from dinner last night and it was gone. Now I'm trying 2408MHz and crossing my fingers on stability. Temps are System 56�C & CPU 54�C according to Winbond - that's on the surface of the CPU, right?

paroxym

5 Jun 2003, 09:46pm

Thrax said
Probably because it's just not being supplied 1.85v...

The weird thing is that in the bios' Health staus section it shows the vcore at 1.85. :confused: Ah well.

/PX

leishi85

5 Jun 2003, 10:22pm

here is a little screen of my OC, not the highest, but here it is

paroxym

5 Jun 2003, 10:25pm

leishi85 said
here is a little screen of my OC, not the highest, but here it is

Heh, looks pretty good to me. What kinda voltage are you putting through that chip and whats coolin' the beast?

/PX

leishi85

5 Jun 2003, 10:29pm

1.85 vcore, and only cooled by a slk800 with a 40 some cfm fan, but H2O coming to my rig soon, so stay tuned.

EMT

5 Jun 2003, 11:02pm

Hey man, nice! Is it DUT3C or DLT3C?

Thrax

5 Jun 2003, 11:07pm

DLT3C.

Paul

6 Jun 2003, 12:40am

EMT said
Hey man, nice! Is it DUT3C or DLT3C?

I've forgotten over the past couple months, doesn't DLT3C mean t-bred A and DUT3C mean t-bred b?

I have a JIUCB

Thrax

6 Jun 2003, 12:42am

DLT3C means 1.5v
DUT3C means 1.6v

Paul

6 Jun 2003, 12:50am

Ah, so if I ordered in January I must have the 1.6v version

Thrax

6 Jun 2003, 02:12am

Yes.

Clutch

6 Jun 2003, 04:47am

Well I'm gonna put some more money in my checking accout tommorow to order my next 1700+ I got to wait for the motherboard though, but I can't wait to oc that sucker. Keep the updates coming guys, and if you got this chip and got a nice oc and stability to show us, don't be shy.

TheSmJ

6 Jun 2003, 09:11am

Well the new system seems great so far. OCed at the moment to 1884 (11x170). So far so good, only the temps under load are currently 55 C, and after trying as high as 2Ghz, the CPU temp peaks around ~57C, and eventually BSODs.

Obviously the Areoflow isn't that great of a HSF in terms of OCing, sure is quiet though! But who knows... in 6 months or so I may get into watercooling.

Otherwise, if anyone has any ideas, please let me know!

Thrax

6 Jun 2003, 03:27pm

Overclocking on an Aeroflow :banghead:

mmonnin

6 Jun 2003, 03:34pm

Sk7 or SLK-800. If you can fit/afford a 900 do it.

TheSmJ

6 Jun 2003, 06:34pm

Thrax said
Overclocking on an Aeroflow :banghead:

Well some people do it quite well, believe it or not.

Just wait till I set up the ductwork. That should lower temps considerably. :thumbsup:

Park_7677

6 Jun 2003, 06:51pm

TheSmJ said
Thrax said
Overclocking on an Aeroflow :banghead:

Well some people do it quite well, believe it or not.

Just wait till I set up the ductwork. That should lower temps considerably. :thumbsup:

AreoFlow does test around the same as SLK-800/900 with low CFM fans... So if you hate noise, it's pretty quite and decent for $25.

My 2400+ does 2.30 GHz w/ 1.875V @ 46C (115 F)... AeroFlow has treated me good :D

EDIT//
BTW: 2400+ AIUGB 0244

Also it's summer and my room is nearing 80F

TheSmJ

7 Jun 2003, 10:25pm

Well since the AS3 has settled, the temp dropped 4 degrees (now 51 under load)!

I'll try pushing it harder later tonight!

leishi85

7 Jun 2003, 11:43pm

EMT said
Temps are System 56�C & CPU 54�C according to Winbond - that's on the surface of the CPU, right?

Doesn't seems right, the CPU temp can't be lower than the system temp when you are air cooled.

EMT

8 Jun 2003, 12:21am

Yes, that did strike me as pretty strange... here's where it's at now:

EMT

8 Jun 2003, 12:39am

Ohhhh yeah... umm... the sys fan has recently (this week) been having trouble (making strange noises) and the problem isn't apparent. I guess that's why the sys is so high... hmmm... any quick suggestions on fixing it (or what the problem could be)?

LawnMM

8 Jun 2003, 03:07am

Thrax

8 Jun 2003, 03:23am

Thermalright SK-7 and an 84CFM Vantec Tornado (Which I love.)

LawnMM

8 Jun 2003, 04:17am

Thrax said
Thermalright SK-7 and an 84CFM Vantec Tornado (Which I love.)

Nice. Tell me young thrax...does that 8rda3+ board have the same locked pci/agp bus as its predecessor? What board are you using now?

Clutch

8 Jun 2003, 05:05am

Thrax said
Thermalright SK-7 and an 84CFM Vantec Tornado (Which I love.)

You mean the 55.2dba Tornado fan? Does the noise seem to bother you any? or do you have some dampening stuff.

Thrax

8 Jun 2003, 05:12am

LawnMM said
Thrax said
Thermalright SK-7 and an 84CFM Vantec Tornado (Which I love.)

Nice. Tell me young thrax...does that 8rda3+ board have the same locked pci/agp bus as its predecessor? What board are you using now?

I'm using the NF7-S 2.0. I wouldn't touch the 8rda3+ with a ten foot pole, but to answer your first question, indeed it does.

To answer Clutch's question, yes, the 55.2dba Tornado fan.

I have no sound dampening, the fan does not bother me, and I have above-average hearing.

Ultra Nexus

8 Jun 2003, 06:14am

Hey Thrax!

I have the same temps as you do, full load with an Alpha PAL8045 & a Delta SHE 68CFM @ 6v

http://cablemodem.fibertel.com.ar/pics/2333.jpg

Temps were taken with this setup connected to a DigitalDoc5

http://cablemodem.fibertel.com.ar/pics/sensor.JPG

Here is the CPU:

http://cablemodem.fibertel.com.ar/pics/0310xpmw.jpg

LawnMM

8 Jun 2003, 07:23am

Thrax said
LawnMM said
Thrax said
Thermalright SK-7 and an 84CFM Vantec Tornado (Which I love.)

Nice. Tell me young thrax...does that 8rda3+ board have the same locked pci/agp bus as its predecessor? What board are you using now?

I'm using the NF7-S 2.0. I wouldn't touch the 8rda3+ with a ten foot pole, but to answer your first question, indeed it does.

To answer Clutch's question, yes, the 55.2dba Tornado fan.

I have no sound dampening, the fan does not bother me, and I have above-average hearing.

Sweetness, was talkin to EMN on irc...he's telling me thats a chipset feature of the NF2 boards, sweetness!

Omega65

8 Jun 2003, 02:56pm

Yeah all NF2 mobo have locked (asynchronous) PCI/AGP busses. No dividers to deal with.

If the KT600 doesn't have them, it'll be a non factor in the mobo market. No enthusuast with an ounce of knowledge would bother to recommend or buy one anymore.

(I got mine before the NF2 came out.....)

LawnMM

11 Jun 2003, 03:44am

Where you guys getting the 1700+'s with that stepping? Who lets you know the stepping beforehand?

Clutch

11 Jun 2003, 04:19am

Link here (http://www.xoxide.com/amdatxp13826.html)

Xoxide is out right now, but they guarantee to send you the JIUHB steppings, also newegg is really good at getting xp's in with good steppings.

LawnMM

11 Jun 2003, 04:55am

Nice, me thinks me will grab one a.s.a.p :)

Juggah0

11 Jun 2003, 06:02am

my 1700+ was actually a fluke i found it, i was @ the local shop and decided since they dont carry OEM cpus id look @ their retail 1700+s....much to my supprise, and with my exclamations afterwords THEIR supprise, i had found QUITE the chip. exact chip info is as follows:

AXDA1700DLT3C 9390367250073
JIUHB0310WPMW

since my mobo is teh suck, (msi KT3 Ultra-ARU) i decided my main goal was to see where i could get it stable @ stock vcore without this mobo taking a **** on me.

http://www.modasylum.com/nick/wcpuid.jpg

http://www.modasylum.com/nick/wcpuid1.jpg

http://www.modasylum.com/nick/mbm32.jpg

Im pretty impressed to say the least, i cant wait to get some real ram and a new mobo to really see what this proc can do!

Nick

paroxym

11 Jun 2003, 06:40am

There a little store up in my area (Toronto) that is carrying stock of the JIUHB 1700+'s. Last time I checked there was only a few left so swing by and take a look if you can't find anywhere local to grab one.

Bigfoot Computers - 1700+ DUT3C JIUHB (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=Bigfoot&Product_Code=9270PRAM&Category_Code=0920)

Juggah0

11 Jun 2003, 07:37am

if you expect a very insane overclock dont waste your time on the DUT3C (1.6v) 1700+s, theyre practicially a waste of time, and if you can choose the proc make sure its a DLT3C.

Nick

paroxym

11 Jun 2003, 04:38pm

Juggah0 said
if you expect a very insane overclock dont waste your time on the DUT3C (1.6v) 1700+s, theyre practicially a waste of time, and if you can choose the proc make sure its a DLT3C.

Waste of time?? :scratch:
My DUT3C is currently running (and folding) at 2.35Ghz rock solid.
I would hardly call a 900 Mhz overclock a waste of time.

As far as which is better, that would have to be the DLT3C due to running at a lower stock voltage but none the less, the OC'ing performance of the DUT3C is nothing to scoff at. Meh...

Juggah0

11 Jun 2003, 09:48pm

yeah youre running 2.35 stable @ what vcore? thats what im getting at, this DLT3C i have now could do 2.35 @ 1.7v on the right mobo, food for thought it all, and i wouldnt buy another DUT3C after my 1800+

Nick

paroxym

12 Jun 2003, 04:17pm

Juggah0 said
yeah youre running 2.35 stable @ what vcore? thats what im getting at, this DLT3C i have now could do 2.35 @ 1.7v on the right mobo, food for thought it all, and i wouldnt buy another DUT3C after my 1800+

Its at 1.80 V and personally, I dont think thats soo bad. its OC'd about 750 Mhz higher then I could hit with my old Pali at 1.85V. *shrugs*

Juggah0

12 Jun 2003, 08:40pm

okay, 1.8v is 0.3v over stock, thats the equivilant of giving your palomino 2.05v...something else to consider.

Nick

Thrax

12 Jun 2003, 09:05pm

That's a false analogy.

Juggah0

12 Jun 2003, 09:24pm

how is it false? the #s match up, the fact that a tbred core will take less vcore to reach said speed makes it a perfect analogy, its the exact same factor for damage giving a 1.5v chip 1.8 as it is giving a 1.75v chip 2.05.

Nick

//edit FSCK! i HATE making a new page! :mad:

Park_7677

12 Jun 2003, 09:38pm

A little overview:
Palominos can take 2.1v & TBreds can take 2.0v before "random sudden death".
*(Cooling does factor in but we'll over look that for now)

It is recommended to not overvolt by more than 15% if you want to receive the original life time of the processor.

So what you're stating is..

"3 is to 5 as 8 is to 10"

Does that mean anything? No.

Juggah0

12 Jun 2003, 11:13pm

how do you get 5 is to 8 as 8 is to 10? im saying, 1.8v on a Tbred is 0.3v over stock, 0.3v over stock for a palomino is 2.05v thats the ONLY comparison im making.

Nick

Park_7677

13 Jun 2003, 01:28am

Juggah0 said
how do you get 5 is to 8 as 8 is to 10? im saying, 1.8v on a Tbred is 0.3v over stock, 0.3v over stock for a palomino is 2.05v thats the ONLY comparison im making.

Nick

"3 is to 5 as 8 is to 10" -- They are related because 2 is the difference in both cases.

And yes, if you add .3 v to the stock voltages, your numbers do match up.... BUT.... we want the rise to be liner... meaning you need to use percentages.

Examples:

Correct:
Palomino: 1.75v + 15% = 2.0125 v
TBred: 1.65 + 15% = 1.8975 v

Incorrect:
Palomino: 1.75 + .3 = 2.05v
TBred: 1.65 + .3 = 1.95v

Juggah0 said
okay, 1.8v is 0.3v over stock, thats the equivilant of giving your palomino 2.05v...something else to consider.

Nick

With all the above... a TBred @ 1.8v is a 20% overvolt.... while a Palomino @ 2.05 is a 17% overvolt. You may say only a 3% difference, but it DOES make a difference. Also keep in mind that comparing 2 different cores shouldn't be done for any real answers... because the amount that .1v does for each core is different.

LawnMM

13 Jun 2003, 03:23pm

AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47G 384K 266 BOX(JIUHB:0310WPMW/XPMW) AMD $80.00
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred (TRAY)(JIUHB:0310XPMW) AMD $70.00
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0302) AMD $60.50
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0307) AMD $60.50

Whats the difference? I would have thought the Tbred Bs were the sweater buy...so why are the regular ones ten and twenty bucks more?

Or are they all created equal? Which is the better buy?

leishi85

13 Jun 2003, 06:37pm

LawnMM said
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47G 384K 266 BOX(JIUHB:0310WPMW/XPMW) AMD $80.00
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred (TRAY)(JIUHB:0310XPMW) AMD $70.00
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0302) AMD $60.50
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0307) AMD $60.50

Whats the difference? I would have thought the Tbred Bs were the sweater buy...so why are the regular ones ten and twenty bucks more?

Or are they all created equal? Which is the better buy?

In face they all are tbredB, even tho the first one didn't state it is, but you can tell by the stepping code of JIUHB, it's a tbredB.

as to which is a good buy i would say go for the
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0307) AMD $60.50
it seems like the best buy for me, 0307 are also really good overclockers.

shwaip

13 Jun 2003, 06:46pm

Cooling: SK-700 with mechatronics fan
vcore: 1.7 (still pushing)

axda1700dut3c
jiuhb 0302xpmw

I got this a while ago, but my dorm at school was far to hot to see how far i could go. I'm also currently fsb limited by my ram, i need some new stuff, along with a new mobo. But alas, i am a poor college student.

LawnMM

16 Jun 2003, 05:06pm

leishi85 said
LawnMM said
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47G 384K 266 BOX(JIUHB:0310WPMW/XPMW) AMD $80.00
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred (TRAY)(JIUHB:0310XPMW) AMD $70.00
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0302) AMD $60.50
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0307) AMD $60.50

Whats the difference? I would have thought the Tbred Bs were the sweater buy...so why are the regular ones ten and twenty bucks more?

Or are they all created equal? Which is the better buy?

In face they all are tbredB, even tho the first one didn't state it is, but you can tell by the stepping code of JIUHB, it's a tbredB.

as to which is a good buy i would say go for the
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0307) AMD $60.50
it seems like the best buy for me, 0307 are also really good overclockers.

Thx, gonna order one now so I have it for the new sys gettin built in a few weeks.

On a simpler note, I was talkin to a friend about overclocking and he brought up and interesting point...I had an answer but I wasn't sure. Thought I would toss it out to the experts here.

His question essentially was, whats the difference between a 1700+ thats OC'd up to 2.2ghz and a regular 3200+ running at 2.2ghz. I know the 3200 plus has the 400mhz FSB, which is what I told him, but I also pointed out that by jacking the FSB way up on the 1700+ you may come out with a similar speed there as well...thought thats the part I wasn't sure on.

A 200mhz FSB on a DDR board comes out to 400mhz right? Is that just the ram then? Meh, I think you get the question, I just dunno what ze answer is!