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Geeky1

16 Jul 2003, 01:15am

9800 has better image quality than the fx. Also, they aren't that much faster than the ti4600. I was looking @ both myself... I decided to wait until the R420/NV40 come out and just replace the Rage 128 with a Ti4200/4400/4600 for the next 6 months... the Radeon 8500 in my other system is plenty fast enough for anything out there, and it's about as fast as a Ti4600 (it's been OC'd to 320/295 core/ram) so a ti4600 for the dually system should hold me over until the next generation of cards... unless you have to play HL2 or something @ max detail, I suggest you wait, since the Ti4600 is still a very fast card.

GTac01

16 Jul 2003, 03:08am

bah, my ti4600 cant play flight simulator 2004 descently.

Thrax

16 Jul 2003, 03:11am

He said <i><b>GeForce FX 5900 Ultra</i></b>.

Not 5600.

And the 5900 Ultra is the best card available currently.

GTac01

16 Jul 2003, 03:16am

Whats the best brand for the 5900fx ultra? ive seen MSI/EVGA/BFG . I found a BFG for $450.

reelbigfish

16 Jul 2003, 03:18am

true, but if you are going to use AA or AF filtering, the perfomance gap diminishes between the 9800Pro and 5900. Plus, the 9800Pro is much cheaper than the 5900 Ultra. The 256MB 9800Pro is still a little less. If you're getting a card at this end of the spectrum you shoudl be using AA and AF, so the 9800Pro is a better choice for less money.

Thrax

16 Jul 2003, 03:18am

The BFG one is a solid card. They're all the same really.

WuGgaRoO

16 Jul 2003, 03:57am

the fx5900....nice card...

mmonnin

16 Jul 2003, 04:46am

The 5900 is a bit better than the 9800 from what I have seen so far.

TheLostSwede

16 Jul 2003, 09:30am

Geeky1 said
9800 has better image quality than the fx. Also, they aren't that much faster than the ti4600. I was looking @ both myself... I decided to wait until the R420/NV40 come out and just replace the Rage 128 with a Ti4200/4400/4600 for the next 6 months... the Radeon 8500 in my other system is plenty fast enough for anything out there, and it's about as fast as a Ti4600 (it's been OC'd to 320/295 core/ram) so a ti4600 for the dually system should hold me over until the next generation of cards... unless you have to play HL2 or something @ max detail, I suggest you wait, since the Ti4600 is still a very fast card.

I think he wants to play games, not Pacman.
The 5900 Pro are ,according to all reviews a lot faster than any other card so far.

Geeky, have you tested both the 9800 Pro and the 5900 Ultra since you know which has the better quality?

With videocards in this league, price doesnt matter.

GTac01

25 Jul 2003, 07:34pm

Guess who got the Fx 5900 Ultra 256mb

SimGuy

25 Jul 2003, 11:58pm

GTac01 said
Guess who got the Fx 5900 Ultra 256mb

You crank out any 3DMark2001 & 3DMark2003 scores yet? :D

Al_Capown

26 Jul 2003, 01:41am

FYI dont buy an eVGA fx5900 ultra. They had stability problems because of the core overclock. It's possible that they fixed this problem, but at the moment if i was to buy an fx5900ultra i would definetly not purchase one from eVGA.

The Story: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10542

GTac01

26 Jul 2003, 10:03pm

No 3dmark yet, i havent found 3dmark 2003 yet. I got the evga, it works very well, it doesnt matter if they come overclocked, mine only came with 50mhz more on the memory, i just ran the NVIDIA test which determines the best clock for your card, and im at 504 core, and 960 memory. I got the directx 9b and the 45.20 detonator drivers. This card gets me 35-50fps in "ultra high" quality in Flight Sim 2004 :). Im also using a 19 inch monitor, and a 34inch HDTV Zenith as a second monitor (it comes with RGB), the card has no problem, the only thing it can do better than my older yi4600 is DX9 games. I also captured some video from my tv using the card, and its great.

GTac01

26 Jul 2003, 10:06pm

Only thing is... my pc is kinda old, and the agp slot is only 4x!!! damnit!, (2ghz 768ram also). Darn, how is that affecting me? will it be twice as fast if i had an 8x slot?

Geeky1

26 Jul 2003, 11:02pm

Mackanz said
Geeky1 said
9800 has better image quality than the fx. Also, they aren't that much faster than the ti4600. I was looking @ both myself... I decided to wait until the R420/NV40 come out and just replace the Rage 128 with a Ti4200/4400/4600 for the next 6 months... the Radeon 8500 in my other system is plenty fast enough for anything out there, and it's about as fast as a Ti4600 (it's been OC'd to 320/295 core/ram) so a ti4600 for the dually system should hold me over until the next generation of cards... unless you have to play HL2 or something @ max detail, I suggest you wait, since the Ti4600 is still a very fast card.

I think he wants to play games, not Pacman.
The 5900 Pro are ,according to all reviews a lot faster than any other card so far.

Geeky, have you tested both the 9800 Pro and the 5900 Ultra since you know which has the better quality?

With videocards in this league, price doesnt matter.

Sorry for the long lag... for some reason, I didn't get automatically subscribed to the thread...

Anyhow, there's a typo in that... I meant that the 5900 Ultra and 9800 Pro aren't really that much faster than the Ti4600s... they're certainly faster, but I don't think that they're fast enough to justify a $500 upgrade. Which is why I'm waiting...

I haven't tested them, but I've seen reviews, and the 9800 has much better IQ in all the reviews I've seen than the 5900... and, since ATi cards have had much better image quality than nVidia cards for some time, this doesn't surprise me. The most dramatic illustration of just how big the difference in image quality is that I've come across is <a href="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDcyLDE=">this review</a> over @ HardOCP... I went ahead and put two screenshots of the cards in-game IQ @ their respective maximum ssettings next to each other and attached it... In addition to the image quality, take a look @ the FPS at the upper right hand side oof each screenshot...

Geeky1

26 Jul 2003, 11:04pm

GTac... not even close. AGP 8x is (for now) a marketing gimmick, even more so with the 256MB of RAM on the card... AGP 8x has no impact on performance whatsoever. All of the tests I've seen put any advantage/disadvantage it has well within the range of benchmark error.

One other thing... what resolution are you runing Flight Sim @?

GTac01

27 Jul 2003, 01:57am

1152*864 is my res on my 19inch. Those screenshots really messed me up. Damn the fx 5900 ultra is supposed to be better...

GTac01

27 Jul 2003, 02:01am

As a side note, im currently looking for every single HACK/TWEAK/improvement/review/people's overclocking reports on the fx5900 ultra. If you got anything, gimme a link. Thx.

GTac01

27 Jul 2003, 02:46am

857 3dmarks!! hah! what do i do now, A. destroy the card, or B. Kill myself?

bah look at this guy complain:

http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:FQR0VZPJXgkJ:www.computing.net/cpus/wwwboard/forum/6570.html+3dmark+scores&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

His is a :

Win XP Home
AMD 2400XP @ 138MHz
GeForce FX 5900 Ultra @ 476/904MHz
512MB PC2700
MSI 6590 KT4 Ultra

Mine is a:

Xp Home
P4 1.9ghz
GeForce FX 5900 Ultra @ 504/960MHz
768MB

GTac01

27 Jul 2003, 03:52am

5457 3dmarks, im using 3dmark03 pro btw. This time I set it to 1024*768 and default settings.... still sux tho :(

SimGuy

27 Jul 2003, 03:55am

GTac01 said
5457 3dmarks, im using 3dmark03 pro btw. This time I set it to 1024*768 and default settings.... still sux tho :(

You got a link @ FutureMark.com we can compare to? Don't feel bad, I pushed less than 1300 :)

Al_Capown

27 Jul 2003, 04:19am

5k In 3dmark03 is a great score. If you can oc some more i'm sure you can hit 6k

GTac01

27 Jul 2003, 04:22am

yeah, now that that I researched some more, my score is not that bad. For now I cant get the score comparison thing to work!

Al_Capown

27 Jul 2003, 04:35am

My View on 3dmark benches. 3dMArk2001- You use this to test your entire system and it's oc's. 3dMark2003- You use this to test your video oc.

GTac01

27 Jul 2003, 06:33pm

9202 marks on 3dmark 2001SE. Its a shame to have such a poor system and such a good card.

Al_Capown

27 Jul 2003, 08:14pm

Once again that score is being dragged down because of your cpu and memory most likely.

SimGuy

27 Jul 2003, 11:33pm

GTac, you have your system O/C'd at all? It will definately help to bring up your benching numbers...

GTac01

29 Jul 2003, 08:06pm

arrgh, no. Im just finding out how important processor and memory are. Im looking for a good motherboard that accepts 2.8ghz 800 bus. Whats the best mobo?? (i also wanna add some pc3500 ddr) i was looking at this system : http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/video/PNY_FX_5900_Ultra_4.html :P

Geeky1

29 Jul 2003, 08:10pm

GTac... how much $$ do you have to spend on a mb/cpu upgrade? The top-end P4s are still really expensive, and are only marginally faster than a top-end Athlon XP. If you wanted to save some money, an Abit NF7 and a 2500+ should be good for 2.2GHz+, and at that speed, the 2500 is roughly equivalent to a 3GHz P4, as I recall... however, as much as I like the Athlon XP, the 800MHz bus P4/i875 combo is probably the best thing out there right now... it'll just cost ya...

TheLostSwede

29 Jul 2003, 08:10pm

Brilliant choice!

Thats a kickass system.

SimGuy

29 Jul 2003, 10:38pm

GTac01 said
arrgh, no. Im just finding out how important processor and memory are. Im looking for a good motherboard that accepts 2.8ghz 800 bus. Whats the best mobo?? (i also wanna add some pc3500 ddr) i was looking at this system : http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/video/PNY_FX_5900_Ultra_4.html :P

GTaC, you could save money by purchasing a P4 2.4C and O/C'ing the hell out of it.

The 2.4C is one hell of a chip, with a nearly 100% success-rate overclocking to 3.2 GHz on the STOCK COOLER alone. Users with other forms of cooling (such as the SLK-900) have hit as high as 3.5 GHz on AIR cooling. With watercooling, users have hit 3.7-3.9 GHz. Finally, on the Prommie (Prometia) and LN2 cooling, users have hit anywhere between 3.9 and 4.5 GHz). Not bad for a little 2.4C that is damned cheap ($170.00 USD on PriceWatch), you can't go wrong.

Pair that CPU with a nice i875P *Canterwood* Dual-Channel DDR400 board (such as the Asus P4C800-E or the ABit IC7-MAX3) and some nice PC3500/3700 CAS2 DDR SDRAM (Corsair, Kingston, TwinMos) and you'll be laughing away to the races!

If you do pick up a 2.4C, make sure that you can purchase one that has an FPO/Batch number that starts with the following combinations (they are the best overclockers).

L309, L310, L311, Q309, Q310, Q311, 9309, 9310 & 9311.

All of these chips are manufactured in the Malaysia plant between weeks 9 and 11 of this year and are the best overclockers (as chosen by Overclockers.com). :)

Al_Capown

29 Jul 2003, 11:03pm

Or perhaps pair it with a lovely 856PE mobo like the IS7 which offers close to 875P performance minus the extra $$$. It's 108 at newegg, and you could get a 2.4c, and some geil dragon pc3500 and get it to 3.0 + in a cinch.

GTac01

30 Jul 2003, 10:27pm

Oh ****, that what im talking about!:thumbsup:

Ok, how about this combo http://www.bzboyz.com/store/product1067.html ?

I like this Memory http://www.dljsystem.com/detailsMemory.asp?productID=1185 (kingston Hyperx 3500)

SimGuy

31 Jul 2003, 12:00am

The "C" suffix on the end of the 2.4 name simply states that the CPU in question operates at a FSB of 800 MHz (200 MHz quad-pumped).

The original 2.4A ran on a 400 MHz FSB & the 2.4B ran on a 533 MHz FSB.

However, if you do want to save some more money, you could purchase the CPU seperately and grab the Asus P4P800 motherboard. Although it doesn't support Intel's PAT technology (resulting in up to 10% system performance increase over the i865-based systems) it does have all of the latest features of the Canterwood boards.

I can't stress enough that if you want a successful O/C, you'll want to make SURE to get a Malaysia chip. :)

//Edit: NewEgg has 2.4C's for $172.00 USD, but they don't show an FPO/Batch number. :(

SimGuy

31 Jul 2003, 12:04am

As for the Kingston HyperX PC3500 (DDR433), it will work no problemo in the Asus P4C800 motherboard. This can be confirmed with "Saulin" over @ OCForums.com

GTac01

31 Jul 2003, 12:20am

Thanks SimGuy! :wave:

Ok, so you are saying that the combo is fine (2.4c)?, now ill just have to call them or email them to see if they are Malaysian.

I've been reading some reviews on that asus mobo and Its really good.

Thanks for clearing it up, Ill get the pc3500 also! (as soon as i have the money, that is) :vimp:

update: BZBOYZ has not A clue about the batch or FPO number.

G'News: http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=218581&highlight=malaysia Looks like Newegg's are good, 1 said its Malaysia...

SimGuy

31 Jul 2003, 12:36am

GTac01 said
Thanks SimGuy! :wave:

Ok, so you are saying that the combo is fine (2.4c)?, now ill just have to call them or email them to see if they are Malaysian.

I've been reading some reviews on that asus mobo and Its really good.

Thanks for clearing it up, Ill get the pc3500 also! (as soon as i have the money, that is) :vimp:

I'd e-mail BZBoys and ask whether or not the CPU that comes with it is actually a 2.4"C".

In the description, it does say 2.4 800 FSB CPU, so I'm ASSUMING that it's a 2.4C (which is an 800 FSB CPU). I'd call/e-mail them and ask to make sure. :)

Glad I could help out! Hope you have as much fun O/C'ing the hell outta that system as I did with my new 2.4C & P4C800-E :D :wave:

//Edit: Now if only that PC3700 would come in I'd be able to hit 3.5 @ decient timings...

GTac01

31 Jul 2003, 01:00am

Read my previous post (i updated it).
Yeah this stuff is really fun! I c u got that system, with the 1010 bios that lets u turn the volt higher on core. Not sure where to get the chip, where did you get it from?.

//Edit: New Egg doesnt know the number either.

SimGuy

31 Jul 2003, 01:10am

GTac01 said
Read my previous post (i updated it).
Yeah this stuff is really fun! I c u got that system, with the 1010 bios that lets u turn the volt higher on core. Not sure where to get the chip, where did you get it from?.

Picked it up at a local comp store (got to hand pick the stepping & FPO/Batch that I wanted). :) www.bestbytecomputer.com

Yep, the 1010 BIOS does wonders for stability and O/C'ing. Finally being able to up the VCore higher than 1.6V is welcome news to OC'ers. :)

SimGuy

31 Jul 2003, 01:14am

GTac01 said
Thanks SimGuy! :wave:

update: BZBOYZ has not A clue about the batch or FPO number.

G'News: http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=218581&highlight=malaysia Looks like Newegg's are good, 1 said its Malaysia...

Looks like the NewEgg 2.4C's O/C amazingly well. Like one guy in that thread mentioned, grab one while you can.

3.6 on air @ 1.6V is pretty rare, but the 3.5 on an SLK900 is do-able.

GTac01

31 Jul 2003, 01:37am

Whats better http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product.asp?pid=6796&sid=E0QB20A7RJLA8N5MLJ4061CBC5RS00WE (zelman) or http://www.hardcorecooling.us/product.asp?0=207&1=257&3=408 (SLK900) can you use them both? lol

SimGuy

31 Jul 2003, 02:00am

GTac01 said
Whats better http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product.asp?pid=6796&sid=E0QB20A7RJLA8N5MLJ4061CBC5RS00WE (zelman) or http://www.hardcorecooling.us/product.asp?0=207&1=257&3=408 (SLK900) can you use them both? lol

I've got no experience with the Zalman coolers, but for a CPU, I'd rest easier knowing my system was actively cooled.

IMHO, I'd take the SLK-900 and a high-CFM fan for cooling this monsterous beast. :)

Some high-quality thermal transport compound is recommended as well.

For the fan, I'd suggest a 92mm high-CFM fan (the Tornado if you can stand the noise, or the black-label Delta's that whine higher than a jet engine). :)

If you can't take the noise, go for something from Mechatronics or Panaflo. However, make sure it's 92mm as the SLK900U can utilize 92mm cooling fans.

//Edit: BTW, my CPU is a Week 10 Malaysia (L310A781), stepping SL6WF, pack date of 04/30/2003.

Geeky1

31 Jul 2003, 02:47am

The CNPS-7000 and SLK-900 are pretty much tied if the fan on the slk-900 is about the same airflow as the one on the zalman. However, the SLK-900 lets you choose the fan, and you can always go noisier or quieter than the zalman if you need more cooling or less noise...

GTac01

31 Jul 2003, 04:29am

lol, im about to own the best Dell out there hehe. Anyone know if i can without any problems just switch mobos?

now, im thinking about some possibilities here, i could take the zelman and its done for $40, or take the huge copper one and a tornado ;D

Geeky1

31 Jul 2003, 04:35am

no, you can't. Dell, in their infinite nastiness and idiocy, changed the pinouts on the ATX power connector; It's still a 10x2 connector with keying identical to a standard ATX connector, but the number of wires for some of the voltages is different, as is their location. You'll need a new power supply as well as a new motherboard. In addition, Dell's cases are crap- the cooling flat out sucks, and if you're planning on overclocking, their case is going to cause you more headaches than it's worth. Also, if it's one of the "clamshell" cases, the drive bays may interfere with the ram in a non-Dell board.

Bottom line: You'll need a new power supply in addition to a new board, and it would be adviseable to chuck the Dell case too...

GTac01

31 Jul 2003, 04:43am

Daaammm, ok a new case and power supply. Good thing in part, ima "build" a pc :D . And bah, it shall rule :vimp: . Now just need to get from -$100 to +$600 :shakehead

And well, i mean i already got TEH card, so....

Geeky1

31 Jul 2003, 05:08am

Oh, I forgot to mention... not necessarily for you (GTac) but for anyone else reading this thread with a similar question- if you DO plug a Dell PS into a non-Dell board (or vice/versa), you'll kill the board and/or the ps....

GTac01

1 Aug 2003, 01:59am

what do you think about this: http://www.gameve.com/store/gameve_viewitem.asp?idproduct=1322&showit=1?

oh yeah http://www.buyxtremegear.com/khx4000512.html

Geeky1

1 Aug 2003, 02:23am

I think you may want to check out www.resellerratings.com before you order anything... neither one of those companies has a particularly outstanding rating... they're not all that bad, but I'd rather pay a bit more and go with someone that's got a better reputation...

GTac01

1 Aug 2003, 04:33am

ooh see, thats why I ask you guys.

wait a sec, which are the bad companies, the websites or the ram sticks? because I trust the sites

Geeky1

1 Aug 2003, 05:08am

The websites... Kingston and Geil both make decent RAM... As I said, the companies aren't bad, but there are places that I'd be more comfortable ordering from...

GTac01

1 Aug 2003, 03:56pm

Ok thanks!, another question is, they dont say "Dual Channel". Does that mean they dont have it, I mean??

GHoosdum

1 Aug 2003, 04:22pm

As long as you buy matching sticks of RAM, ie, 2 512 MB PC3500 Kingston chips or what-have-you, they'll run in Dual Channel mode.

GTac01

1 Aug 2003, 07:25pm

What is good for a power supply? why would you need a 650w one? im gona connect 2 hdd, 2dvd, 1 mobo, like 4 fans, and thats it.

Geeky1

1 Aug 2003, 07:33pm

GTac, no matter what PS you're looking at, make sure the manufacturer is on AMD's approved power supply vendor list...

As to specific manufacturers, there are only 2 really outstanding companies- Antec and PC Power & Cooling. Enermax is pretty good, and Allied is supposed to be decent. Other than that, I probably wouldn't buy it...

Take a look at this ad for PC Power & Cooling PSes. The PS they compare theirs to is an Enermax 651 series 550w unit, and everything they say in that ad is absolutely true (I know from experience with some of it, the rest of it is publically avaliable info from Enermax themselves) http://www.pcpowercooling.com/pdf/Turbo-Cool_510_vs.pdf