Good budget Heatsink?

[noman]

hi,

me again.
in my country the temprature reaches 45-48C in summer. :rarr:
i wish to have a 2500 barton.i would have the casing cover removed all the time.i have no problem with noise. :Rocker:
i wish to overclock it to 3200+ with 200fsb.on nf7-s mobo.
i don't know anything about heatsinks.what should i put in to my casing.
my question is, what specs should i look for when i buy a heatsink? also tell me which one would do ok,for cheapest price.

bye bey

[Geeky1]

If you don't have air conditioning, the only way to overclock it to that kind of speed in 45*C weather is going to be to go to water cooling. You'd be well advised to have a VERY good heatsink to cool it even at stock speeds.

[Weedo]

This is what I'm going to use on my new Barton 2500+, run at stock speed of course. On sale for $20.

http://www.svc.com/thslcl.html

[MAGIC]

i had that one before i got my water, it kept my old 1700 at 2.48ghz @ like 45-50 degrees. but i was in a heavily ACed room and i had like 6 120 fans

[noman]

hi,

what if i remove the casing cover? can that work with a factory fitted heatsink?

[edcentric]

My Bartons are over clocked a bit, my slow one is running at 2200 and the fast one at 2400 (neither are XP2500's). They both show a temp of about 48C while folding in a room that is 25C. Now my case temps are about 32C.
You can run bigger heatsinks and fans than I do.
You can open the cases.
But, the CPU will always be about 10-15C hotter than the air. The advantage with water cooling is that you can get this differential down to 5C.
For air cooling you are going to need a Thermalright SP-97 or something similar, and the fan will not be quiet.
Even with that you may need to back off the OC during the summer.

You really should should consider a mobil CPU. They run at lower voltage and generate less heat.

[sforza]

Man, here in Spain summer is very hot too, sometimes we reach 40-42ºC. Without AC, I seriously don't reccommend to overclok until winter arrives.

As edcentric said, CPU will always be approx 10-15C hotter than the air. So 45ºC ambient +15ºC we have 60ºC on your CPU at stock speed. Pretty hot to try overclocking starting from there.

Are you using any kind of thermal grease? Factory assembled computer usually have that horrible pink stuff between heatsink and processor. I would suggest lowering your temps generally, better case ventillation, apply arctic silver or the best stuff you can, and even cleaning your fans. If you have never opened your case that should be pretty dusty.

Try to make a wind tunnel from front low to the rear high part of your case with at least two cheap 80mm fans. That should help too.

Or try overclocking during the night hehe :)

[noman]

hi,

guys, i told u the temperature a little more. that was the temprature outside, but inside the room temperature is about 30-35 max, i think.
what then?
how much more heat is delivered when we oc ?

[Omega65]

If you can get your hands on a XP Mobile 2400+, 2500+, 2600+ and a good Thermalright heatsink (http://www.thermalright.com/) (I recommend the ALX800), You should be able to run at 2200mhz as long as you can keep the CPU temps under 65C.

During a recent heatwave my XP-M 2400+ overclocked to 2400mhz keep folding even when the (CPU) temp hit 65C.

The XP Mobile is a Low Power Barton (XP 2500+) core CPU BTW. Stock Vcore is only v1.4 and they will all do at least 2.3ghz @ v1.65

[csimon]

MADSHRIMPS (http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=1&artpage=834&articID=213) comparisons.

[noman]

If you can get your hands on a XP Mobile 2400+, 2500+, 2600+ and a good Thermalright heatsink (http://www.thermalright.com/) (I recommend the ALX800), You should be able to run at 2200mhz as long as you can keep the CPU temps under 65C.
can't i do that on a regular desktop barton too?



The XP Mobile is a Low Power Barton (XP 2500+) core CPU BTW. Stock Vcore is only v1.4 and they will all do at least 2.3ghz @ v1.65
so what ur saying is, if i have a mobile barton i dont need that much expensive cooling,right?

[Omega65]

1: Not necessarily there are Barton XP 2500+ that wont do 2.2ghz @ 30C temp. It's the luck of the draw. Mobiles & MPs are the BEST CORES.

2: you still will if you have 40C+ ambient temps

[Komete]

If you can get your hands on a XP Mobile 2400+, 2500+, 2600+ and a good Thermalright heatsink (http://www.thermalright.com/) (I recommend the ALX800), You should be able to run at 2200mhz as long as you can keep the CPU temps under 65C.

During a recent heatwave my XP-M 2400+ overclocked to 2400mhz keep folding even when the (CPU) temp hit 65C.

The XP Mobile is a Low Power Barton (XP 2500+) core CPU BTW. Stock Vcore is only v1.4 and they will all do at least 2.3ghz @ v1.65

I was going to suggest the same thing. Since you would be getting higher overclocks on lower voltages it will be runnin a good bit cooler. I can run my 2500mobile 2.2ghz @ 1.525 anything lower it gets flakey. I use 1.725ish for 2400mghz it goes up from there.

Oh and it's unlocked so you will get alot more overclocking options than with the regular barton 2500xp.

[noman]

i agree that mobiles are the best things to overclock. but i was thinking of one more reason.if i got mobile,i would get a cheaper cooling solution.,since mobile is expensive than desktop.
how much a chance there is that the oem mobile i get from online retailer doesn't work?
won't a cheaper hsf work on ambient temp of 25-35?like this

http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/cooling/TR2_M1-M2/pg_2.htm

one more thing i am considering is if the cost of mobile and heatsink goes higher,then i might have to consider p4 2.8e.
or miss the mobile and get a desktop(which is cheaper)with a little expensive heatsink.

from wht u know, how does an oc'ed mobile2500 compare to 2.8 prescot in performance?

[Omega65]

XP 2500+ 65watts
XP-M 2500+ 45watts
XP-M @ 2.4ghz ~88watts (v1.75)
P4 2.8E ~90watts
A64 2.2ghz ~60watts

It depends on the application but a XP 2.4ghz = P4 3.2ghz C or E
Some times it's a little better and sometimes it's a little worse. Office apps prefer an XP over a P4. Encoding app prefer a P4 over an XP. Athlon 64 beats them both.

Techreport XP-M 2500+ @ 2.4ghz (http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q1/athlonxp-m-2500/index.x?pg=1)

[noman]

what about the heatsink i mentioned?
could u plz comment on that?

[Omega65]

what about the heatsink i mentioned?
could u plz comment on that?

It looks like a variation of a Stock AMD XP 2500+/MP 2500+ heatsink. It should OK for stock speed and some minor OCing. Above that I couldn't say. Google for some reviews.

[noman]

ok,
what does"minor oc'ing mean" ,to what speed?
one more question,if a hsf says that it supports athlon xp 3200+ , will it not be ok for 2500 oc'ed to 3200?

[Geeky1]

That thermaltake heatsink is not very good at all, and a hsf that supports a 3200+ *might* support an overclocked 2500 if the 2500 isn't overvolted. I realize you're trying to save some money, but this is not necessarily the best way to do it. How important to you is the amount of noise the computer makes?

[noman]

hi,

what i want is...
i got nf7-s board.
a heatsink that would allow me to oc mobile 2500(may be with increased voltage) ,say, to 2500 mhz at temp. 30C max, i would lower the overclock if needed.

i have no problem with noise or look or anything. :Rocker:
i dont want to spend more than 30$ (heatsink fan both).

so could u suggest one to me.i am really short on time ,only till 27-aug to get. i have googled a lot but i am even more confused.



here are a few i am thinking abt.

what abt volcanos, which one would be good?

http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/11/20/4303

http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/11/20/4606


bye

[Geeky1]

$30 CAD or $30 USD?

[noman]

30US
40 candidan

[Geeky1]

ok. Lemme see what I can find. Got any links to canadian PC store websites?

[noman]

one more thing,
if the proc is passed thru X-rays ,like airport scan/check of baggage, could it be damaged by x-rays?

[noman]

i pasted links bfore too,
www.icct.ca
www.infonec.com
bytewizsecomputers.com
there is this www.pricenetwork.ca this site gives the best price for any item in canada, if u go there chose ,search in ontario,

[Komete]

one more thing,
if the proc is passed thru X-rays ,like airport scan/check of baggage, could it be damaged by x-rays?

If laptops can make it the cpu will be fine :)

[Geeky1]

If you can get the Thermalright ALX-800 and a Thermaltake SmartFan2, that'd be good... the other heatsink you PMed me about (the Tt SilentBoost) is designed for silent computing, and unless you upgrade the fan, isn't going to make much of an overclocking heatsink :)

[noman]

what abt these,
swiftech mcx
http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/11/20/4303
and this
zalman cnps3100
http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/11/20/4605
and this
zalman cnps600
http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/11/20/4606
and a few more questions

if i have to remove the heatsink,then do i need the thermalpaste again?

is it true that mobile barton will have warranty only from the shop and not from amd? will i have to check it ,like in one week or 1 month,after which i can not claim warranty.

how much of a chance there is that a mobile barton would not work,like how to check it, in order to claim warranty from online store

[Geeky1]

The swiftech is good, the Zalmans are worthless for overclocking, and I wouldn't trust them with an AMD cpu with the kind of room temps you hit, even at stock speeds.

Yes, you'll need to replace the thermal paste when you remove the heatsink.

Unless the CPU is DOA, if it's going to fail, it'll most likely do so in the first month. But I've never had a CPU fail on me (except for the ones I've killed). As long as you're careful with it, it shouldn't be a problem. It's still riskier than buying a retail boxed cpu with a 3 year warranty, but I don't think it's a whole lot riskier.

[noman]

here is the final deal.for my mobile barton

the good fan 80mm costs 18$
.
#1--alx 800(no fan)-------35$
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1560&Category_Code=5.6

#2---silent boost fan---35$
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1496&Category_Code=5.72

#3----slk 700 fan-----39$
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1551HSTR&Category_Code=5.6

now i need opinion what will be __""THE BEST BANG FOR BUCK"""__
i need to put fan on alx-800.


also tell ur opinion abt,the ones with fan,what if i replace the fan they have,
so #2 and 3, if i replace their fan,will they work better than alx-800

plz also predict the max oc each will allow.

bye :thumbsup:

[Geeky1]

you can't replace the fan on the SLK-700 easily, as it uses a non-standard size. The silent boost with the smartfan2 i reccommended for the alx may outperform the alx, but not by much, if at all.

The bottom line is that no one is going to be able to give you a definitive answer. We've given you the best guesses we've got, but you're going to have to take a little risk here. I'd go with the ALX-800 and either one of the Thermaltake fans I linked you to in my PM.

As for the maximum OC, that is entirely dependent on the CPU in question. The best anyone can do is to tell you that most mobile chips hit 2.4GHz+

[JChretien]

Thermaltake Volcano 12 is what mcwc is using on his XP-m 2500+.. in summer heat it hits 2.3ghz... but i think in the winter... it'll hit 2.4 maybe 2.5...

[Omega65]

you can't replace the fan on the SLK-700 easily, as it uses a non-standard size. The silent boost with the smartfan2 i reccommended for the alx may outperform the alx, but not by much, if at all.

The bottom line is that no one is going to be able to give you a definitive answer. We've given you the best guesses we've got, but you're going to have to take a little risk here. I'd go with the ALX-800 and either one of the Thermaltake fans I linked you to in my PM.

As for the maximum OC, that is entirely dependent on the CPU in question. The best anyone can do is to tell you that most mobile chips hit 2.4GHz+

The SLK700 will use either a 70mm fan (http://www.svc.com/fd1270259b-21.html) or a 74mm TMD fan (http://www.svc.com/703033dba45y.html). You can also use a standard 60mm fan (Place the wires on top of the fan - they'll hold it just fine).

Noman - if you're in Canada (Bigfoot computers is in canada - right?) I have a unused ALX800 (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1560&Category_Code=5.6) or SLK900 (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1556HSTR&Category_Code=5.6) & a Smartfan II (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1443HSTT&Category_Code=100.2) or Delta 68cfm (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=2030CGCF&Category_Code=100.2) I can ship to you for $40 US (or anyone else who wants it)

I also have an unused XP-M 2500+ (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=9263&Category_Code=920.2) for $90US + shipping or you can have the XP-M 2400+ (in sig below) that does 2.4ghz v1.75 @ 56C Full load ($85)

[noman]

Noman - if you're in Canada (Bigfoot computers is in canada - right?) I have a unused ALX800 (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1560&Category_Code=5.6) or SLK900 (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1556HSTR&Category_Code=5.6) & a Smartfan II (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1443HSTT&Category_Code=100.2) or Delta 68cfm (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=2030CGCF&Category_Code=100.2) I can ship to you for $40 US (or anyone else who wants it)

I also have an unused XP-M 2500+ (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=9263&Category_Code=920.2) for $90US + shipping or you can have the XP-M 2400+ (in sig below) that does 2.4ghz v1.75 @ 56C Full load ($85)

hi, i have a couple of questions.
first, why do u have unused things? u just got them and just sell them without using? or what.{no offence,just asking)
when did u buy those things?is oem warranty over or not?
secondly,if u have not used those,how do i know if they work, what i want to say is,if u have checked the things and that they work properly,then i would like to buy,otherwise no use.

also,could u check how much shipping will it be, like to send those to
scarborough
toronto
canada.

[noman]

u can send me detailed mail also.
nomanu503 [nospam] @ yahoo.com (without the spaces and [nospam])

[Omega65]

hi, i have a couple of questions.
first, why do u have unused things? u just got them and just sell them without using? or what.{no offence,just asking)
when did u buy those things?is oem warranty over or not?
secondly,if u have not used those,how do i know if they work, what i want to say is,if u have checked the things and that they work properly,then i would like to buy,otherwise no use.

also,could u check how much shipping will it be, like to send those to
scarborough
toronto
canada.
Good intentions...that is I buy (a lot of) things intending to use them, but then I change my mind and do something else. Also I upgrade friends, Family & Coworkers computers & when I see a good deal I just grab an item becuse someone else will want it eventually. Right now I'm cleaning out my supply Omega65 For Sale thread (http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12168))

If your interested in the CPU I will make sure it works beforehand. Shipping to Canada will be $12 vis USPS Airmail (4-10day delivery) or $20 Express (3-4 business day delivery) for a CPU, Heatsink, fan and/or memory combo.

Current Inventory of items (used but now just sitting around) along with stuff in the Omega65 For sale thread (http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12168) (I need therapy :) )

DFI Ultra Infinity II (NF2-400) Mobo (will do 250mhz with 256mb stick, 240mhz with 512mb stick)
Abit KV6 KT600 mobo
XP-M 2500+
XP 2400+
Corsair v1.1 PC3500 2 x 256mb
Corsair PC3700 2x 512MB
Corsair ECC/REG PC3200 2x 512MB
Hyperx PC3500 2x 256MB
Hyperx PC3500 2x 512MB
Hyperx PC4000 2x 512MB
HP ECC/Reg PC1600 2x 512MB
Epox 8rda+ (NF2 chipset does FSB225 - missing a backplate)
Swiftech MC5000 Water block (2)
Black Ice eXtreme radiator (single 120mm) 1/2"
Dual 120mm Fan Radiator 1/2"
Heater Core type radiator 3/8"

[Omega65]

u can send me detailed mail also.
nomanu503 [nospam] @yahoo.com

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