1st public gay high school set for NY......

[MachineGunKelly]

(Shorty, Prime, MM, I don't know if this is allowed here or not. I'm betting I will find out soon enough if it isn't though. ;))

No opinion expressed here, just food for thought...

NEW YORK, July 28 — New York City is creating the nation’s first public high school for gays, bisexuals and transgender students.The Harvey Milk High School will enroll about 100 students and open in a newly renovated building in the fall. It is named after San Francisco’s first openly gay city supervisor, who was assassinated in 1978.
“I THINK EVERYBODY feels that it’s a good idea because some of the kids who are gays and lesbians have been constantly harassed and beaten in other schools,” Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday. “It lets them get an education without having to worry.”
The school is an expansion of a two-classroom public school program that began in 1984. A gay-rights youth advocacy group, the Hetrick-Martin Institute, has managed and financed the program since its inception.
The new school’s principal, William Salzman, said the school will be academically challenging and will follow mandatory English and math programs. It also will specialize in computer technology, arts and culinary arts.
State Conservative Party Chairman Mike Long criticized the creation of the school.
“Is there a different way to teach homosexuals? Is there gay math? This is wrong,” Long said. “There’s no reason these children should be treated separately.”
The Hetrick-Martin Institute’s Web site says the school will give its students “an opportunity to obtain a secondary education in a safe and supportive environment. ... We believe that success requires the ability to respect and value the diverse human community.”

[Lincoln]

It's an interesting bit of news... Personally, I'm letting it be unless someone says differently.

But if I see a morality debate begin, the thread will quietly vanish into the night ;)

[MachineGunKelly]

Fair enough Keebs. :respect: :D

[Thrax]

1. They demand equal rights.
2. They demand special privledges to be equal.

The school should be torn down, and the taxpayers reimbursed.


<b>Disclaimer to avoid oversensitivity:</b> I have gay friends, and I don't care people are gay, as easily as they don't care that I'm straight. I just don't like when tax-payer dollars go to inane projects of special-rights exclusivity.

[Kristof2]

Thrax said
1. They demand equal rights.
2. They demand special privledges to be equal.

The school should be torn down, and the taxpayers reimbursed.


uh yeah, That about sums it up.


K

[kanezfan]

/me puts the keyboard down.....

[MachineGunKelly]

* MGK resists the urge to reply in kind with his bros...

[Black Hawk]

Thrax said
1. They demand equal rights.
2. They demand special privledges to be equal.

The school should be torn down, and the taxpayers reimbursed. Ah common! Billions or thrown away in other stuff and people don't even notice. What's the diffrence with this?

[Thrax]

The fact that nobody notices doesn't change the fact that taxpayer dollars shouldn't be going to projects of exclusivity.

Additionally, just because you can kill three people without noticing, doesn't mean the fourth one isn't subject to reprimand.

[Black Hawk]

Oh ok....so I guess they should close the YMCA (and YWCA), NAACP, PTA, and all other that help people. You don't want the tax payers to pay something they won't notice to help other people. :rolleyes:

[a2jfreak]

MGK you leave me truly wanting a debate forum!!! :D


As for the billions thrown away. I agree that the government needs a more trim and fiscally-sound budget, but wasting money for stuff like this is a contributing factor to the billions thrown away.

A million here and million there, no big deal. It's when you add a million and a million, and add it a million times that problems truly begin to show.

Black Hawk said
Ah common! Billions or thrown away in other stuff and people don't even notice. What's the diffrence with this?

[Thrax]

Black Hawk said
Oh ok....so I guess they should close the YMCA (and YWCA), NAACP, PTA, and all other that help people. You don't want the tax payers to pay something they won't notice to help other people. :rolleyes:

Bad examples! The YMCA, the YWCA, the NAACP, and PTA are all instutitions open to the whole public. YWCA and YMCA were once exclusive (Although I doubt they're funded by taxpayers, as they're both religiously-bound enterprises), but anyone can go to either now.

This is not for the whole public. See where the problem is? :rolleyes2

[Black Hawk]

NAACP = National Association for the Advancement of Colored People ;)
There has to be alot others with gov't funding but I don't know must of them.

[Thrax]

I know what the NAACP is, but consequently, they serve a very broad function and serve a very large portion of the population (Approximately 30-40% of the U.S. isn't caucasian).

And the NAACP doesn't receive government funding anyways.

[Black Hawk]

The school is to help. There has to be alot of kids that commit suicide or get emotionally phucked up by harrasment and stuff at there school. You mean they shouldn't help them to get a better education? I doubt the school would use over .25-.75% of the state's budget.

[shwaip]

I have an idea... lets build a high school for ONLY black people to stop white people from harrassing them due to the color of their skin :/

[maxanon]

Did it say anywhere that the school was exclusive to gays and lesbians?

There have always been schools that are heavy on one segment of the population. There are catholic schools, as well as hebrew, muslim, etc. Also, there are all girls/boys schools. Schools for the deaf, blind, mentally challenged.

Just because one doesn't agree with the lifestyle/segmentation does not mean it shouldn't exist.

These people have a hell of a time in school. If it helps them get an education and be able to contribute to society, then I'm all for it.

[Nolf-Job]

It doesn't really matter what the intent of the school is. Lots of people get mistreated in high school. You don't see them putting up a high school for overweight students or computer geeks for that matter :rolleyes2

machinegunkelly said
The Hetrick-Martin Institute’s Web site says the school will give its students “an opportunity to obtain a secondary education in a safe and supportive environment. ... We believe that success requires the ability to respect and value the diverse human community.”

If they really wanted to respect and value the diverse human community they wouldn't be pulling out one aspect of that community and sending them to another school.

[Thrax]

Precisely Nolf.

One does not promote acceptance and extoll diversity by segregating the population.
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Did it say anywhere that the school was exclusive to gays and lesbians?

The principal of the school did on Fox News yesterday.

There have always been schools that are heavy on one segment of the population. There are catholic schools, as well as hebrew, muslim, etc. Also, there are all girls/boys schools. Schools for the deaf, blind, mentally challenged.

Anyone can go to a catholic school, or a hebrew school, or a muslim school if they really wanted (And all of them are privately funded in the United States, so again, an innacurate analogy). Additionally, the schools for the deaf, blind, and mentally challenged exist for people who actually have debilitating problems. Being gay isn't a debilitating issue, is it?


Just because one doesn't agree with the lifestyle/segmentation does not mean it shouldn't exist.

Who said I didn't agree with it?

These people have a hell of a time in school. If it helps them get an education and be able to contribute to society, then I'm all for it.

I know quite a few gay people online who didn't have any problems in school, simply because they were discrete about their relationships as is anyone else in high school. With or without this school, gays, lesbians, and transgenders alike can contribute to society.

Again, it's a matter of irrational exclusitivity being footed by the taxpayers.

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Shwaip: Well said.

[profdlp]

...I will weigh in here.

Will this be helpful to gay kids in the long run?

Figure this: Kid realizes he's gay when he's 12 years old. (About the time we usually become interested in sex). Goes to "Gay" High School. Lives in "Gay" dorm at college. Graduates at age 22 with a B.A. and enters the "real world".

Said child has now spent eight of the ten years he (or she) has lived since becoming aware of their sexual orientation (or preference, if you prefer) in an isolated and protected environment.

Are they better equipped to deal with the "real world"? I don't think this is really doing those kids any favors.


Prof

[MachineGunKelly]

I had no idea there would be so many 'opinions' in a non-debate thread post with a day old news story. But I can see that if it WERE a debate thread we apparently have the ability to be civil and non-defamating in our vocality on the subject.

The only reason I posted it in the first place was because I was thinking of Bart and saw this story and well, I figured HE would have posted it so...here it is. :D

MGK

[profdlp]

machinegunkelly said
...I can see that if it WERE a debate thread we apparently have the ability to be civil and non-defamating in our vocality on the subject.

The only reason I posted it in the first place was because I was thinking of Bart and saw this story and well, I figured HE would have posted it so...here it is. :D

MGK

Well, I think the reason this hasn't blown up and become a donnybrook is that so far, no one is "debating" whether gay kids have a right to go to school without being picked on - merely whether a "gay" school is really going to be helpful, and not just another waste of tax dollars.

Unfortunately, it would only take one homophobe to turn this into WWIII.

Keebs is earning his money today, riding herd on this powderkeg.

And now that I've used every single puctuation key I can find (not to mention the grossly mixed metaphor...), I'm going to shut up.


Prof
(Who is not suggesting that anyone else "shut up", merely that it is time I did. :tongue: ).

[Preacher]

I'm sitting on one arm, using only a single finger of the other arm, and have consumed massive quantities of alcohol in order to suppress my usual contentious, long-winded self as I compose this response.

I ask how this Gay and Lesbian High School funded by government dollars is any different than the segregated high schools also payed for with taxes that falsely proclaimed "separate, but equal" for nearly a 100 years. It's a step back by any measure I can think of.

[danball1976]

This is kind of a step back here, seems segregation is beginning all over again.

"Those who can not remember the past are doomed to repeat it"

[muddocktor]

Preacher said
I ask how this Gay and Lesbian High School funded by government dollars is any different than the segregated high schools also payed for with taxes that falsely proclaimed &quot;separate, but equal&quot; for nearly a 100 years. It's a step back by any measure I can think of.


Exactly!:cool: How is this school any different from the segregated schools that I started in from 1-7th grades? I'm older than most here and I was actually in 8th grade when the school systems were desegregated by law here in Louisiana in 1969. I think that if some lawyer type wanted to push the issue, he could get the school closed due to the fact that they accept nothing but gays, lesbians and transgenders. Makes my poor straight caucasian ass feel discriminated against, so to speak.;)

Another thing that I could see happening is that since this is a school for gays, lesbians and trangenders, who they say are afraid of being singled out, it gives the rampant homophobes a discrete place to look for new targets by checking who goes to this school. Kind of makes it easier for the homphobe crazies to sight in on some new gays to bash, so to speak.

[WuGgaRoO]

this is retarded!!!
this is no different than racial segregation that happened way back when...i swear...people have to live to communicate..and see eachother on a ddaily basis...making a school simply cuz they have a "non normal" sexual preserance or behavior is total and utter garbage...i think they SHOULD NOT DO THIS!!!... i am all for equal rights ( i havbe nabt gay friends and i am straight myself...there is nothing wrong with being homosexual)..but this is not how u achieve it
ANOTHER POINT..this is worst than affirmitibve action...WHAT THE HELL is that about..just cuz sumone is born a minority they get into a college easier..this is the same premise....these people should not get any special preference simply cuz of their race...thats BULL!! its total racism...except its done from inside the system....

[pseudonym]

Hmmmpf. I'll have to agree with most here. Its just like a state funded whites only school, or blacks only, mexicans, etc etc. the government should not be involved in this in any way. Go ahead and knock your socks off if its private.

[KilJaeden]

This whole idea is completely absurd. Even if it were true that homoaexuals are teased and tortured to an extent to cause mental problems and/or suicide, this school should not exist. At the most, replace the administrators that allow this to exist and tighten the school rules. This should cost a lot less than 3.2 million. No matter how you look at it, it is a form of segregation. How can it be a gay school if straight people are accepted? I know of several homosexual students in my high school and many others in some of my friend's schools. I have never heard of or seen one being harrassed. This whole idea would only cause more problems or prolong the current ones.

There have always been schools that are heavy on one segment of the population. There are catholic schools, as well as hebrew, muslim, etc. Also, there are all girls/boys schools. Schools for the deaf, blind, mentally challenged.

There is a crucial difference. This school is funded by taxes. There is absolutely none, not a single religious school funded by the government.

[Lincoln]

profdlp said
Unfortunately, it would only take one homophobe to turn this into WWIII.

Keebs is earning his money today, riding herd on this powderkeg.

:ninja:



Just not every night, all right? :p

[KilJaeden]

Unfortunately, it would only take one homophobe to turn this into WWIII.

ROFL ;D Always throwing that word around, to make people look bad so you seem right. Even though I see no grounds for it. There is a difference between tolerence and acceptence.

[Templar]

I think the scary high school kids are a legend.

Yeah, I took some crap in my school, but everyone takes crap in life. It's part of it. Yes, there are cases where humiliation can lead to drastic measures (Look at SW Kid), but this doesn't happen everywhere, all the time. Very rarely do I see some punk walk up to a random person and beat him up for his lunch money. That crap just doesn't happen anymore. Now, you get a gun pulled on you if you're in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people.

High school has a ways to go, but I'm thinking it's better than to force the gay population to make their own school. This school was made out of fear, not the need for protection.

[KilJaeden]

The more they say that they want to be treated the same, the more they make themselves standout. High school bullying seems to be a myth nowadays. In the last 3 years in my high school I have seen maybe one or two fights. I have never seen anyone being tormented EVER. I rarely see teaseing at all. The reasons they use to substanciate this is bull.

One more thing, how would the restroom and locker-room situations work?

[Thrax]

A very interesting point...I can't conceive how that would work, Kil.

[MachineGunKelly]

Sorry Keebs. Looks like I am guilty of inadvertantly starting a discussion on the virtues of a tax-payer funded public school designed for, but not limited to, gays, lesbians and transgender individuals most of whom are under the legal age of consent, at least in my state (IL) by posting a news item.

I suppose it just goes to show how far the roots go down for some of us to voice our opinions with our peers on a subject in a forum atmosphere surrounded by friends and aquaintances.

I'll try not to let it become a habit. I can appreciate how much concern, and/or apprehension this must be causing within the ranks not to let it become more than it was meant to be.

Love ya bro! MGK

(P.S., Damn MUD, yur older than dirt dude! Hell, I was in the 9th grade in '69! ;))

[tefleming]

muddocktor said
Makes my poor straight caucasian ass feel discriminated against, so to speak.;) [/B]

/me chuckles and nods

[KilJaeden]

I don't get it.

[Lincoln]

machinegunkelly said
I can appreciate how much concern, and/or apprehension this must be causing within the ranks not to let it become more than it was meant to be.

shhhhhh.... don't tell anyone... but I actually wasn't watching it all day after my first post until that second one :)


machinegunkelly said
Sorry Keebs. Looks like I am guilty of inadvertantly starting a discussion on the virtues of a tax-payer funded public school designed for, but not limited to, gays, lesbians and transgender individuals most of whom are under the legal age of consent, at least in my state (IL) by posting a news item.
:scratch: err... ok then... glad we got that straightened out.... yeah... ;)

If I didn't know better, I'd say MGK was raggin' on me a bit there...


;D

[a2jfreak]

If the boys are kept away from the girls, and vice-versa in regular schools because of the possiblility of certain events happening, then perhaps every boy will be teamed with a girl in the gay school.

That way all is good :D


Also, what about bisexuals?
Where do they fit in?
Straits and homos would have their own schools, but now the bisexuals are left out.

Oh, duh, then there's the hermaphrodites.

Oh well.

KilJaeden said
One more thing, how would the restroom and locker-room situations work?

[profdlp]

KilJaeden said
Unfortunately, it would only take one homophobe to turn this into WWIII.

ROFL ;D Always throwing that word around, to make people look bad so you seem right. Even though I see no grounds for it. There is a difference between tolerence and acceptence.

I'm not trying to make anyone look bad. Nor do I think the use of the word makes me look right.

I think we probably are in agreement, if what you mean is that the term "homophobe" is often used as a form of name-calling in order to silence anyone who dares question "politically correct" behavior. (i.e., anyone who doesn't fully support the gay agenda is automatically denounced as a homophobe, thereby dismissing their entire argument without actually examing the validity of what they have to say.)

The point I was trying to make is that one person with a blind unreasoning hatred of gays would probably ignore the basic thrust of the discussion ("Should our tax dollars be funding something which seems to create preferential treatment, and causes even more division?") and merely use the discussion (not debate!:tongue: ) to lash out at gay people in general. Then the whole shebang degenerates into name-calling, creating the type of situation the owners of this site have made clear they will not tolerate.

I would be the last person to cry "homophobe!" "racist!" "warmonger!", etc just to try and shut someone up. I suppose there are those who would call me a homophobe for stating that I don't think a separate school is doing gay kids any good in the long run.


Prof

[MachineGunKelly]

Not at all Keebs. Layin' it on the line is all bro. I don't want to get anyone in any mischief with the bigwigs, least of all you or me!

prof, well stated bud! :thumbsup:

And I'll add that KilJaeden was only stating the obvious (IMO) in realisation of the potentially inflammitory nature of the discussion and the fact that it had not progressed to that point due to the maturity of the members involved.

No problems! :D

[godzilla525]

I'm with Shwaip on this one... been there, tried that, found it unconstitutional...

I honestly don't see how this is any different from any other case of segregation.

(BTW: homosexuality is *still* biologically incorrect... but I'm not going to go around insulting people I don't know or telling people how to live their lives... I'll leave that to the liberal elitists. :biggrin: )

[MachineGunKelly]

You mean 'conservative' elitists, don't you? :D

[maxanon]

I didn't realise that it was exclusive. It shouldn't be if its funded by the gov't. I thought (and this is from reading MGK's post only) that it would be tolerant to that lifestyle.

I wouldn't call it segregation as that was forced and this would be voluntary. There's a big difference. However, since a lot of parents choose the HS, it leads to issues.

I'm hearing a lot of reports about schools in the southern US kinda naturally segregating based on race. It seems that the teachers at the schools are also not really diverse.


=====
this is like the underground DF.

[MachineGunKelly]

1st public gay high school set for NY......

It isn't max, you read correctly.
The 'public' should be the giveaway. I believe all one has to do if they wish to attend this particular school is to live in the school district in which it belongs.
Likin' boys or girls or (?) would be an 'option', not a requirement. ;)

[maxanon]

machinegunkelly said
1st public gay high school set for NY......

It isn't max, you read correctly.
The 'public' should be the giveaway. I believe all one has to do if they wish to attend this particular school is to live in the school district in which it belongs.
Likin' boys or girls or (?) would be an 'option', not a requirement. ;)


I thought so. Then, I'm back to being okay with it. The only thing would be, will they allow out of district students? They must, since they are appealing to a niche market.


Also, no point in worrying about what people might say. If they say it, then we'll deal with it.

[KilJaeden]

But if it is a gay high school, then you would have to at least have a quota so that the school would be prodomenately gay. I still think that it is a waste of money. This isn't necessary, and I think that it would cause more problems then it solves. What good can possibly come out of separation of people with different ideals. I was under the impression that as a country we were supposed to be a type of a melting pot. Meaning that our culture would evolve and change when others enter it. So separateing hetros from homos would go against the grain and prolong the problems. godzilla525 was correct. I think that is one of the biggest reasons for unacceptance. The other is religion.

[MachineGunKelly]

You are right KilJaeden. This country is a melting pot. Most of the settlers that came here years ago to found this great land were leaving behind a society that persecuted them for their beliefs.
Since it's a public school it's open to any student that want's to attend. If there were any quotas to fill they would probably be of a minority issue (desegregation) I'm assuming.
Now I am neither for, nor against it. I personally could care less if people of one mind want to congregate with their own kind.
Since it IS a public school, and as such is funded by that states tax dollars, I think it shoud be up to the local taxpayers to decide.

I know where MY kids go to school, and who teaches them.
If we didn't like, we'd change it! ;)

[Preacher]

I still cannot for the life of me figure how this is any different than racial segregation. Segregation is segregation whether it's based on sexual preference or race. This school will not prepare them for the real world. This school is discriminatory by its very nature. It is a waste of taxpayer dollars and resources. The Citadel, for instance, HAD to admit women (and rightly so), because women pay taxes and a school that receives government funds should have to be available to those that pay the taxes. Why refuse that same right to straights?

[MachineGunKelly]

Hey Preacher! I didn't see anywhere in the story where they said they wouldn't let in straights, hell, they would have to, it's a public school.

[profdlp]

Preacher said
I still cannot for the life of me figure how this is any different than racial segregation.

Well, I can think of one major difference, though it strengthens the rest of your argument:

You might argue whether gays are born that way, or choose it as a preference. But no one gets to choose whether they are black or white. (Except, maybe, Michael Jackson).


Prof

[MachineGunKelly]

But no one gets to choose whether they are black or white. (Except, maybe, Michael Jackson).
Prof
ROFLMAO :D:D:D

[KilJaeden]

I thought that MJ had a disease that turned his skin white. I know that one exists, I have seen studies on it. I assumed and heard that he had it. Although, I do not recall atm what it is called.

[Preacher]

Initial studies indicate that environment and biology have large roles to play in determining a person's sexual preference. I think as we gain a more complete background knowledge of the subject we'll see that they both are deciding factors. What's interesting is why homosexuality keeps appearing in human populations. If it is strictly genetic (i.e. biological), then it is a mutation that should die out, since it conveys no survival advantages on an organism or its offspring. We may just be looking at it in too small a timespan and it really is slowly decreasing in frequency.

I could care less what a consenting adult does in the privacy of their own home. As long as it doesn't involve children and the farm animals are reasonably quiet, then it's their business not mine. BUT they definitely should not get their own school for it!

[MachineGunKelly]

KilJaeden,
I think it's called "too much screwing around with nature".

Here's a link:http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html

[MachineGunKelly]

I think NYC is the perfect place for a gay school. Or San Francisco (I bet they're mad NYC beat them to it!). Just as long as MY kids don't have to go to it.
Not that there's anything wrong with that...;).

[Thrax]

Let's be realistic:

Every media outlet in the U.S. is billing this is a gay/lesbian/transgender school. Do you really think a straight kid is going to go there, even if it IS public?

[MachineGunKelly]

Thrax old buddy, you know as well as I do that SOMEBODY"S mother/father is going to make an issue out of it just like they have with any private school/org/club just to see if they can win a multi-million dollar lawsuit and live on easy street for the rest of their lives. If some poor kids who live nearby, or who have folks that don't give a damn about them, have to go there because it's the closest, then that sucks IMO.
No, I don't think any kid will want to go there if they had other choices, unless they are very comfortable with who they are and don't mind the stigma and/or teasing they may get from neighbor kids.
But, then again, this is the 21st century, and there's alot of stuff I don't like about it. That's one good reason I moved my family from Los Angeles to the middle of Illinois where I still have SOME control over what my kids are subjected/forced to adhere to.

I like ie just fine here, and here I will stay. :)

[profdlp]

KilJaeden said
I thought that MJ had a disease that turned his skin white. I know that one exists, I have seen studies on it. I assumed and heard that he had it. Although, I do not recall atm what it is called.

That's what I've heard, too. The criticism (mostly coming from black people) is that when he had dermatological treatments to even out his skin tone (to eliminate the "splotchy" look) he chose to make his overall appearance whiter, and not anything close to the shade he was born with.


Prof
(Who varies between tan and dark brown, depending on the season)

[KilJaeden]

Preacher, I think you might be on to something. Maybe homosexuality is nature's way of dealing with overpopulation. It is just a thought. Either that, or it is just a recurrent anominaly. A birth defect if you will. It seems like to me that there seems to be a vast amount of birth defects nowadays. Maybe they are the way they are because they don't necessarily love the same sex but hate the opposite sex. There is always the posibility of mental problems. Take the fetish people, I have heard of some research that shows that they do that to punish themselves. Maybe homosexuals are like the same. I don't know, but it would be interesting if there would be a very large study covering the many theorys behind the recurrence of it.

I think that there is at least some evidence of the birth defect theory. During birth, when a female is given too much testosturone (sp?) then the female would be a tomboy and prefer sports to dolls. I saw a documentary about this on the discovery channel. The documentary was not about gays but about the differences between males and females. If I remember correctly, there was some medication that a young girl took to currect this. Maybe a stronger or more frequent dose of the wrong hormone would cause homosexuality. I would certainly be interested in a scientific study about this.

Note, I am not homophic, nor do I hate homosexuals. I am completely tolerant, but not entirely acceptant. I do not hold there sexual preference against them. I would just be interested to know the root cause of their (for lack of a better word) abnormality.

[Templar]

:hrm:

If nature doesn't know the bounds on which it exists, from that standpoint, it wouldn't know whether the planet is overpopulated or not.

There's definately a genetic relationship of how we percieve beauty in other people though. I mean, it can even boil down to what kind of cars we like. Someone might find one girl attractive and another not-so-attractive, which the opposite may be true for a totally different person. I think it has something to do with genetics (the whole homosexuality thing if you hadn't caught yet), but I don't think that's the entire reason. At some point I think you do make a choice, and it being something you actually sit down and think about.

[KilJaeden]

If it were all up to choice, then I would have to believe that it is all about sex and sexual stimulation. There just has to be more to it than choice.

[profdlp]

KilJaeden said
If it were all up to choice, then I would have to believe that it is all about sex and sexual stimulation. There just has to be more to it than choice.

I used to work in a mall (as an engineer) which had a real problem with gay sexual activity in the public bathrooms. (I would have to be in agony to go into them.)

Basically, if you just hung around in one for 10 minutes you were pretty much guaranteed some action. (According to our security department, anyway). They even tried posting a rent-a-cop in the bathrooms full-time, but the poor guards were quitting in droves.

If all that mattered was getting some, it sure would have been a lot easier than the "dinner/movie/false promises" routine we straight guys had to go through.


Prof

[KilJaeden]

Well, if a person gets some at a young age from the same sex. Then they will pursue people of the same sex for the rest of their lives.

[muddocktor]

profdlp said
KilJaeden said
I thought that MJ had a disease that turned his skin white. I know that one exists, I have seen studies on it. I assumed and heard that he had it. Although, I do not recall atm what it is called.

That's what I've heard, too. The criticism (mostly coming from black people) is that when he had dermatological treatments to even out his skin tone (to eliminate the &quot;splotchy&quot; look) he chose to make his overall appearance whiter, and not anything close to the shade he was born with.


Prof
(Who varies between tan and dark brown, depending on the season)

I ran into a black guy while at work offshore that had this disease. He was splotchy all over his face and arms, with the dark part being the natural skin coloration he was born with and the light part was as white as my skin. I thought he had been burned badly and asked him and he told me is was because of that disease(don't remember the name of the disease either:banghead: ).

[a2jfreak]

It has been years since I've heard anything about it and I've not done any research to investigate the veracity of the claims, but a boron deficiency in the brain is what I have heard causes homosexuality. Was it just male homosexuality or homosexuality in general? I do not recall.

KilJaeden said
I would just be interested to know the root cause of their (for lack of a better word) abnormality.

[Thrax]

Studies haveshown an enlarged hypothalamus in males and females who are attracted to the same sex.

[Preacher]

KilJaeden,
I think Templar hit it on the head in his discussion of "nature." Many environmentalists like to think that nature has an entity or a design, yet that's the furthest from the truth. There is no giant nature per se, only organisms doing their utmost to survive. Nature doesn't know overpopulation, nor deal with it. For instance, Lemmings deal with overpopulation by leaping to their deaths to save the species as a whole, but it isn't nature. It's a behaviour built up in that species to sacrifice the needs of the few for the many. No matter what any environmentalist says there's no way we overpopulated the planet yet. There is scarcity, starving, and poor due to simple human greed and callousness. We can feed the planet as long as they're willing to pay. Survival of the fittest applies from the deepest jungles of Africa to the highest Penthouse in Manhattan.

It's well-known, documented, and admitted that the average gay male is much more promiscuous than the average heterosexual male. I don't remember the exact numbers, but suffice to say that a gay 30 year old has had substantially more partners than a straight 30 year old. Additionally, and sorry for the graphic discussion if I'm offending anyone, but anal sex is much more destructive to tissues, thus leading to more bleeding followed by a greater chance and propensity for infection to happen. (I studied AIDS quite a bit in college for my Genetics degree. It's scary, but an amazingly adaptable virus.) This explains the way AIDS spread through the gay community in the US (as well as introvenous drug users) during the 1980s.

Please don't take this as blaming gays for AIDS, because that is not the worldwide truth nor reasonable. In Africa, where AIDS is decimating many countries, it is a heterosexual disease as opposed to most of the western world where it is predominantly homosexual.

[profdlp]

Preacher said
KilJaeden,
I think Templar hit it on the head in his discussion of &quot;nature.&quot

I thought that was Ralph Waldo Emerson?:crazy:

Just a little humor...sorry:rolleyes2


Prof:vimp:

[Preacher]

You lost me at Hello, Prof.

KilJaeden said
Well, if a person gets some at a young age from the same sex. Then they will pursue people of the same sex for the rest of their lives.

I have to totally disagree with you here. What evidence is there of this blanket statement?

[profdlp]

Ralph Waldo Emerson (http://www.transcendentalists.com/1emerson.html) was one of the premier Transcendentalists of the 19th Century.

Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)

Ralph Waldo Emerson, whose original profession and calling was as a Unitarian minister, left the ministry to pursue a career in writing and public speaking. Emerson became one of America's best known and best loved 19th century figures.


NATURE (http://www.emersoncentral.com/nature2.htm) was one of his most famous essays, and a favorite of mine. The link has the whole shebang - well worth reading.

Our friend Templar has some big shoes to fill!:thumbsup:


Prof

[Templar]

I kinda just winged that thought myself... oh well. I never had the patience to read or do anything relating to the word 'essay'. :D

[profdlp]

Emerson is not exactly light reading, but it's worth the effort.

By the way, that's a picture of him, not me. I can't grow sideburns worth a hoot, and my nose is smaller...:tongue:


Prof

[Preacher]

Now I feel enlightened. I didn't get the reference initially.

[MachineGunKelly]

I'm not so sure about that 'sex and stimulation' thing I read earlier.
All a guy gets when he puts any part of his body next to a part of my body that I consider sexual is some 'leather goods'. A belt in the mouth and a boot in the ass!

And I mean that in the nicest way! ;)

[a2jfreak]

Same here.

machinegunkelly said
I'm not so sure about that 'sex and stimulation' thing I read earlier.
All a guy gets when he puts any part of his body next to a part of my body that I consider sexual is some 'leather goods'. A belt in the mouth and a boot in the ass!

And I mean that in the nicest way! ;)

[MachineGunKelly]

Not that there's anything WRONG with that....

I just swing the OTHER way!