another sad day is coming...

[rc1974]

:bawling: Another sad day soon approaches. Soon Team Short-Media will drop in rank from #11 to #12. :bawling:

[Thrax]

No to Firefox? Blasphemer.

Support your claims, sir!

[rc1974]

No to Firefox? Blasphemer.

Support your claims, sir!

Since that ain't the topic and the real topic is our drop in rank... however I will state my "case" in this case. :rolleyes:

Back in 1996 or so, when I first started using the internet, I remember when everybody jumped on the Netscape Bandwagon. Then, a few years later, everyone jumped on the Internet Explorer Bandwagon. Now is no different. Now, everyone is jumping on the Firefox Bandwagon. I really don't feel like jumping on bandwagons.


I've used IE as my main browser since 1996. I've been satisfied with it although I have used other browsers, my main choice being Opera. A browser is a browser, so use what you want.

But rememeber, just like Nancy Reagan used to say, "Just Say No!" ;)

[entropy]

I've switched, and I'm a person who really hates change. I've de-Maxthonizing myself, I've become dependent on Firefox (just wish the tabs weren't quite so delayed...).

You ... must ... switch ... !

(on a side note, even though it's the real topic ;D, I'm still folding for us - I know my friend Mc.Dubs added around 2 3.2c+ ghz Intels and a handful of A64s :))

[primesuspect]

I've never jumped on a bandwagon - I've always used the best tools that were available at the time, and firefox is the best browser out right now. :)

I added a P3/1000 today.

[DanG]

I got one of my P4 2.8 prescotts back online today(after being packed up in a box for 2 weeks), and added another of the same yesterday.

[TBonZ]

Just to chime in about firefox, nobody else had brought it up before and I hadn't felt compelled enough to post a new thread about it. I have had nothing but problems with the official release of Firefox. I have installed it and uninstalled it twice now. I loved using the preofficial release, it rocked but now I'm back to you using IE.

Main things I have noticed are.....Everytime I go to sign into my gmail account, firefox closes down and reports an error and wants to send it to MS, happens 85% of the time.
- Too many tabs open in one browser window and I couldn't close them tab by tab by clicking on the little x, it would be like it's frozen and the only way to close is right-clk on the tab and select close this tab...annoying.

Thery were other minor quirks that are negligible but in the end, they pissed me off.

[primesuspect]

weird. I haven't had a single problem like that - i also use gmail, and I routinely have 7-10 tabs open simultaneously. It's rock solid for me. :confused:

[rc1974]

I do have Firefox on my computer and I do use it occasionally. However, I don't see a reason to switch completely. As for other "alternative" browsers, Opera worked way better for me when I was on dial-up, as it seemed faster in loading pages on a 26.4K connection... the best that I could get. If I decided to ditch IE, Opera would be my choice.

[dragonV8]

Sally has been slowly building up to around 50Gig of Folding power. Looking at what is needed to hold them off, even 10 fold would not suffice. :(

Still.................doing our bit , i guess. :)

[rc1974]

I'm helping out with my three machines, although one is down untill I the new hard drive arrives.

[witenoiz]

So we drop to 12 - move down to 13 - then back to 12 - or what ever the stats predict. I am not sad - heck those guys moving up are helping the cause :thumbsup: We need to pull together and watch individual competition on the team
JonsHandbrake is spending all the 'gold' Jon brings home from the mines on new computers and look at weedo challenging all of the above! :cool: WE the TEAM will be fine!! Jack

[Camman]

I'm trying to add boxes to my folding group, hopefully push myself back into the Top 20 Producers that I enjoyed so much :)

And as for the second topic of the thread:

I've tried FireFox as well as several other browsers, and of course I use IE primarily and I have for quite some time.

I just don't understand these people who think they're on some crusade to force everybody to switch? I use IE, I'm used to it, it's a solid product that I very rarely have problems with, I see no reason to switch. I also see no reason for me try and make everybody use IE over another browser. Baseless claims of "FireFox is a superior products" rarely coupled with reasons to back it up other than 'omgz I saw on cnet news.com that IE has a new security flaw, SWITCH NOW CAUSE FIREFOX NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL HAVE A SECURITY PROBLEM!!?!!?!@#one!!

Like seriously, if you enjoy FireFox, fine, im happy for you and glad you like it but you look foolish and immature to talk about how IE is so inferior, etc. to try to force other people into switching I think people should go with what they like and stop trying to force their opinions on others, just my thoughts though.

[rc1974]

camman, you've said what I wanted to say... only better

[bothered]

So we drop to 12 - move down to 13 - then back to 12 - or what ever the stats predict. I am not sad - heck those guys moving up are helping the cause :thumbsup: We need to pull together and watch individual competition on the team
JonsHandbrake is spending all the 'gold' Jon brings home from the mines on new computers and look at weedo challenging all of the above! :cool: WE the TEAM will be fine!! Jack

I was just going to say that.
:)

[primesuspect]

actually Cam, I AM on a crusade to get everybody to switch to firefox.. Not expert users like you guys, but the average joe user like my mom and dad, my sister, etc. Non-experts who use IE are just gigantic virus and spyware pumps. They sit there and get horrendously infected with every know piece of spyware and then their computers sit there and are used to generate even more and more (whether literally, or by creating revenue for spyware and virus authors). Non-experts who use firefox, like the vast majority of clients that I work with, are FAR safer using firefox than IE. You just can't deny that part of it.

[profdlp]

As the late Rodney Dangerfield once said "I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out".

I would kindly suggest that we stay a little more on-topic, except for the fact that half of the S-M heavy-hitters are already involved in the melee... ;D

Thanks, those of you who have felt it worthwhile to address the issue at hand. :thumbsup: :fold:

[primesuspect]

As soon as I get my new G5 (http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26077), I'll be adding that to the team :)

Ask mondi how well a G5 folds :rarr:

[witenoiz]

I have looked all over for a browser thread and can't find one. :topic: I do have a few things to say about this. :D Ain't it funny how you can't tell why things changed. ;D Oh the avatar was nice. Jack

[profdlp]

As soon as I get my new G5 (http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26077), I'll be adding that to the team :)

Ask mondi how well a G5 folds :rarr:
prime, if I didn't know better I'd think you were trying to drag a Mac vs. PC war into our existing Browser conflict. It was this sort of thing that made WWI so horrible.

How about linux? Many people say it really kicks Windows butt. Will it run on a Mac? What's the best browser for it? What about Folding on linux? We might as well get an OS war going, too.

All this is in fun, BTW. :mullet: :vimp:

To get back to the subject at hand, I will take this opportunity to announce that my brand spanking new Athlon64 3500+ rig is now Folding for Team 93. Some of you in the Top 25 might not want to get too used to your spot in the rankings. :ninja:

[primesuspect]

In order:

No, Yes, No, No, Yes, Firefox, Yes, No.

Yes.

YES :thumbsup: ;D

[TheGr81]

I might as well not be folding. World of Warcraft is currently killing my processor. I actually have to turn FAH off because of 200+ megs total ram usage. WoW needs even more. They cannot coexist.

On the whole browser war thing... I agree with prime. I use FF and have converted my parents, brother, and two friends to FF as well. :) :thumbsup:

[fudgam]

Nothing to add but....

[profdlp]

I might as well not be folding. World of Warcraft is currently killing my processor. I actually have to turn FAH off because of 200+ megs total ram usage. WoW needs even more. They cannot coexist...
Are you using the graphical client or the console? There is a way to avoid the jumbo WU's with the graphical. I would expect there to be a way to do it with the console, too.

Either way, don't give up just because you feel you can't Fold 24/7. Even a little bit is better than nothing. You have to sleep sometime, right? :D

[Straight_Man]

Agree with FF thing 100% for Windows. For Linux, I prefer Mozilla for both browsing and the newsgroup + mail handler and some FTP tranfers of legal kinds also.

Since this is also a Team Short-Media thread, without wanting to hijack and just mentioning, going away from home for a week plus does scarily good things to my two boxes' production per day. High 300's per day (average per EOC) for those 8 days since I have been online AND posting here, as an average. And not all the WU's completed recently have even percolated to EOC yet as of this message time stamp, mostly because they're not even showing on Stanford's server yet either. But, what DOES show is 57,082 points topward my contribution of work for team and Stanford's Folding research as new total.

If someone really wants to play WoW and fold, try a 512-768 MB minimum for RAM and probably a Gigabyte of RAM would be better. That is what both the Windows XP and the Linux box here have, folding one instance each on P4 CPU's of about same speed.

[fatcat]

I use Maxthon

and I added a 1.4 duron

:mullet:

[lemonlime]

I've got about 12 PCs folding right now, unfortunatly, most of which are P3-500 to P3-800MHz machines. Have to see if I can get some more into the fold :thumbsup: P3 power! :mullet:

[KingFish]

I'm adding about 10GHz of part time folding this week. Woot!

[rc1974]

actually Cam, I AM on a crusade to get everybody to switch to firefox.. Not expert users like you guys, but the average joe user like my mom and dad, my sister, etc. Non-experts who use IE are just gigantic virus and spyware pumps. They sit there and get horrendously infected with every know piece of spyware and then their computers sit there and are used to generate even more and more (whether literally, or by creating revenue for spyware and virus authors). Non-experts who use firefox, like the vast majority of clients that I work with, are FAR safer using firefox than IE. You just can't deny that part of it.

I just spent the better part of this afternoon and this evening disinfecting my sisters computer. I found a ton of spyware and two viruses. Most of it is because she and her husband download crap willy-nilly without thinking. Both viruses were trojans, no worms though.

BTW- If Firefox were the main browser of choice for most folks, then what browser do you think the virus writers would go after? Firefox? IE? Opera? AOL?

[Leonardo]

Thread hijacked? No, compromised. OK, to prove my point...

On topic -- (what was it?) I have the opportunity to add a Pentium M laptop. Problem is, with Folding running the CPU heats way up in only about 45 seconds. The CPU fan is completely annoying. It's my work laptop that sits next to my desktop. Drives me crazy. I've had to turn Folding off. Shame. Anyone have a solution? The CPU even heats up with Folding set to use only 50% CPU resources. Any less than 50% and the work unit complete times are just rediculous.

Off topic -- Prime mentioned that for the unsophisticated, everyday user, Firefox is best. Yes, exactly. Even for the slightly better than ordinary user who runs anti-spyware programs occasionally. Yes, I've recruited several people who now run Firefox. So there!

By the way, there really wasn't a IE "bandwagon" for people to jump on, abandoning Netscape. IE became bundled with Windows (good thing, for the most part) and people just started using it, not needing to download third-party browsing software. Netscapes reaction was to create that bloated monster - what was it, Communicator v4.5? That was the end of Netscape for me. So there!

[rc1974]

Thread hijacked? No, compromised. OK, to prove my point...

By the way, there really wasn't a IE "bandwagon" for people to jump on, abandoning Netscape. IE became bundled with Windows (good thing, for the most part) and people just started using it, not needing to download third-party browsing software. Netscapes reaction was to create that bloated monster - what was it, Communicator v4.5? That was the end of Netscape for me. So there!


The bandwagons only exist within the tech community, not the general public. First it was the Netscape bandwagon (IE is bloated and does not conform to standards), then the IE bandwagon (because there really was nothing else), now the Firefox bandwagon (It's dummy proof! :rolleyes: )

[lemonlime]

I didn't really want to add to the off topic conversation, but I couldnt resist :D

I'm a big believer in trying things out for myself. Although it is sometimes difficult, making an unbiased decision is best. I personally use firefox, but not because of the huge uprising as of late, or the 'bandwagon', but rather because I enjoy and regularly use some of the features not avaliable in other browsers. I love tab browsing, and the download manager, among other things. As far as people switching browsers simply because they have some personal grudge against microsoft: They are really not acting with your own best interests in mind. Try both browsers out, and make a non-biased decision based on your expereinces with the browser. Firefox may not be for everyone, and I will certainly not look down on anyone who wishes to use IE, or Opera, or any other browser. I will be staying out of this little battle everyone has created, but if anyone asks why I use firefox, I will certainly give them some honest answers. In all the hype about firefox I've seen, there has been very little discussion about the ACTUAL features that set it apart from Microsoft's product offerings. The biggest topic of conversation is always 'take back the web'. I do understand that this sort of advertising gains the most attention, but I think more attention needs to be put towards what makes firefox/mozilla unique..

Whatever browser you decide to use, just be sure you are using it for the right reasons :thumbsup:

[mmonnin]

I might as well not be folding. World of Warcraft is currently killing my processor. I actually have to turn FAH off because of 200+ megs total ram usage. WoW needs even more. They cannot coexist.

On the whole browser war thing... I agree with prime. I use FF and have converted my parents, brother, and two friends to FF as well. :) :thumbsup:

Gaming takes all of the CPU so it doesnt matter if FAH is running or not.

[TheLostSwede]

If it helps, i have started crunching a little again. I'll add more whenever i get the chance to.

[dragonV8]

If it helps, i have started crunching a little again. I'll add more whenever i get the chance to.

Every bit helps, as i'm sure you are aware of. :)

Up and onwards to your next 50,000. :thumbsup:

[edcentric]

Hey Leo, Something sound fishy about your lappy.
The M generates so little heat, makes me wonder if your power/cooling settings are screwed up. Maybe you should look (if it will let you) at what it is using for cooling rules.
Maybe you can do something external to assist the cooling (a USB powered fan?).
Of course you can leave it folding full speed whenever you are not at your desk.

With the new 600 point job my production is back up nicely. Even on boxes where the time is 3 or 4 days I am geting more total points. My dedicated boxes are all feeding on them now.

[mmonnin]

My Dell Laptop with a 1.6 P-M can get up to 70C full go. It started out at 58-59 at 100% CPU usage but now its at like 70-71 and had to cut it down to 90% CPU usage. CPU fan is clear of dust so I dont know why the temps went up.

[rc1974]

My A64 3200+ should be back up and running sometime next week. I ordered a new hard drive for it, didn't have any spares lying around.

[Camman]

actually Cam, I AM on a crusade to get everybody to switch to firefox.. Not expert users like you guys, but the average joe user like my mom and dad, my sister, etc. Non-experts who use IE are just gigantic virus and spyware pumps. They sit there and get horrendously infected with every know piece of spyware and then their computers sit there and are used to generate even more and more (whether literally, or by creating revenue for spyware and virus authors). Non-experts who use firefox, like the vast majority of clients that I work with, are FAR safer using firefox than IE. You just can't deny that part of it.


The flaw in Mozilla Firefox 1.0, details of which were published by security company Secunia on Tuesday, could allow hackers to spoof the URL in the download dialog box that pops up when a Firefox user tries to download an item from a Web site. This flaw is caused by the dialog box incorrectly displaying long sub-domains and paths, which can be exploited to conceal the actual source of the download.


http://news.com.com/Firefox+flaw+raises+phishing+fears/2100-1002_3-5517149.html?tag=nefd.top



......

sorry to continue the OT.

[primesuspect]

Oh wow... you are right... i guess since there is a security exploit out for firefox now, it sucks...

Okay, you win.. EVERYBODY SHOULD USE IE NOW, SINCE THERE IS ONE EXPLOIT AVAILABLE FOR FIREFOX, WHICH SUCKS NOW. :rolleyes:

[Kwitko]

Was that... sarcasm, Prime?

[Camman]

that wasn't my point at all. My point was that as it's popularity is rising, there is going to be people taking advantage of things like this, just like IE, and that this could ALSO be potentially harmful for these newbies you're trying to save from themselves, just like IE, no software is invulnerable.

Don't get your panties in a bunch man, geez, sorry that you take my comment about the FireFox browser as a personal attack. :rolleyes:

[primesuspect]

Well the fact that you quoted me, quoted the article, and then made no comment yourself was sort of like the flavor of an "pwned" post or something :p

[TheGr81]

Are you using the graphical client or the console? There is a way to avoid the jumbo WU's with the graphical. I would expect there to be a way to do it with the console, too.

Either way, don't give up just because you feel you can't Fold 24/7. Even a little bit is better than nothing. You have to sleep sometime, right? :D
I haven't given up, I know every bit helps. :) (And I want to hit 50k sometime soon :thumbsup: ) I use two console clients, and both fold large units, hence ~206 megs average ram use. It's just that I disable FAH while gaming, and don't turn it back on until I go to sleep, but sometimes my brother plays when I go to sleep, so I leave the computer not folding all night, which sucks.

Gaming takes all of the CPU so it doesnt matter if FAH is running or not.
Not on a HT processor. It takes 50% (That's what Windows reports) But when it folds two units while gaming, the game runs very noticably slower. The 200 megs of ram already taken doesn't help either, but then again I have a gig. I'm almost certain FAH is creating a bottleneck on my processor for other apps. This is not the case when I turn off HT in the bios.

Luckily, WoW isn't all that graphically intense so I think I may survive leaving FAH on, I just hope I don't get any complaints about lag.



NOT :topic: just explaining why my computer doesn't fold as much as it used to. :)

[Thrax]

Shut up, nerds. It's just a browser.
<font color=#F7F7F7>Hahahahaha. Pot? Kettle..</font>

[TheGr81]

I bet you don't use IE. :p

[profdlp]

Oh wow... you are right...
Cam has a valid point. I would venture a guess that the percentage of problems with any browser would be roughly equal to its popularity.

Why did Willie Sutton rob banks? :D

[muddocktor]

OK, time for me to step in here and tell my bossman here and Camman to chill out and keep it civil and no debating, got it! ;) :p

I have my P-M lappy folding 24/7 at 100% and no problems at all. The fan on this thing is so quiet I can hardly hear it even putting my ear right next to it. Are you sure the fan is working properly, Leo and Marc? :confused: This P-M laptop just chews through these bigwu gro's like candy at around 1900 pts/wk rate on the p1325 it's presently on. I just wish they made a modern desktop board using a modern chipset for these Dothan procs to really see what they will do.

As far as the rest of my farm, I have things running fairly well maxed out. I back a few computers down a notch when I come out here to work but I speed them back up when I get back in. Hopefully here in the next few months, I will be building my younger brother a new machine and it will have the client on it too, since he has dsl.

BTW, I still use IE primarily but I've been getting the non-geek types I know to switch to Firefox since there's less chance of them getting screwed over with it. I succeeded with one good friend; between his wife and kids they had that poor box tied in knots and it took me 3-4 hours to clear it out of all the spyware crap. Since they've been using Firefox and no problemo! :thumbsup:

[primesuspect]

Sorry :p

[Leonardo]

As far as I know, the laptop is perfectly sound working condition. I have no idea what I can do to quieten it. It's just too noisy to work with. It's brand new. I don't recall the specs. I'll have to write it down Monday when I'm back at work.

[rc1974]

:D See, I am right, the Firefox folks are on a bandwagon. Firefox is better because it has only "ONE" flaw.... :rolleyes:

Thread starter says this post is now dual topic... if that is ok with the moderators.

[Thrax]

Here's some disclosure.

From from 1995 or so until early 2004, I used IE. Then I switched to Maxthon, which adds tab, gesture and similar functionality to IE. Then I switched to Firefox in December.

I, however, still think IE is a perfectly acceptable browser; I don't give two ****s what browser people use, as long as they're not tards with it. If they're tards, then they need something that's tard-proof, which is, in most cases, Firefox.

[profdlp]

...If they're tards, then they need something that's tard-proof, which is, in most cases, Firefox.
Makes you feel kinda sorry for those poor saps that get caught by that one flaw, doesn't it? ;D

[Thrax]

About as much woe as I derive from stepping on an ant.

[rc1974]

I, however, still think IE is a perfectly acceptable browser; I don't give two ****s what browser people use, as long as they're not tards with it. If they're tards, then they need something that's tard-proof, which is, in most cases, Firefox.

Believe me, tards can mess up just about anything, even Firefox, just give them a chance and they will find a way. Heck, they'd probably even find a way to mess up F@H too.

I just spent the afternoon of 01-06-2005 cleaning spyware and two viruses off of my sister's computer. I've told her and her husband repeatedly to not download crap off of the internet, to update their virus scan program at least once a week, and to not click on everything they get in an e-mail. Do they listen? Do they heed my advice? I'm considering checking up on them every month or so, just so I don't have to waste an entire afternoon again.

[entropy]

I don't give two ****s what browser people use, as long as they're not tards with it. If they're tards, then they need something that's tard-proof, which is, in most cases, Firefox.
HAHAHA I don't know why, but that was incredibly amusing at quarter to 4 in the morning. We should get them "Internet Helmets," too. "Browser protection for the noobtards among us!" Ay ay ay. Long day, I guess (I failed my road test :(). ;D

Anyway, yeah, I pretty much have the same story as Thrax. Not sure when I switched to Maxthon/MyIE2 ... not too long ago. Just started Firefox 'round the same time as him.

Hey, so did anyone notice how we've got around a day before we're overtaken? :(

[Thrax]

Sorry 'bout that road test. :(

[muddocktor]

Damn, d00d, how do you fail a road test? :confused: :scratch: Hell, you need to move to Louisiana to take the test; my wife passed her road test here here in 1987 and she was definitely one of the scariest drivers I've ever had the displeasure of driving with and I was the one who taught her to drive. :eek: ;D I thought I was going to die more than once, teaching her. ;D ;D

Sorry to hear that you had problems with it. :(

[Thrax]

Rustbelt states are Nazi about their tests; pretty high failure rate.

[CyrixInstead]

Well, for the record I have started folding again. What the hell it's for a good cause.

I have an Athlon XP 2400+ and Sempron 2400+ systm running about 6 hours a day each.

~Cyrix

[TheLostSwede]

Why in the name of god is this thread in this forum at all? This belongs to the pub as far as i know. Even the mods takes this thread so far off topic it's silly. :shakehead

[mmonnin]

Yeah I was going to say get back on topic here guys.

The fan on the lappy is fine. The Laptop you have from powernotebooks prolly just has better cooling. I have a Dell. And I can get 1700ppw with it and its only a 1.6 P-M.

[TheGr81]

...I can get 1700ppw with it and its only a 1.6 P-M.
That's crazy. :eek: My 2.8 P4 gets 1800ppw folding two at once! :eek: :eek: I want one! :D

[mmonnin]

The 1.6 P-M is prolly just as fast or close to it folding-wise.

[rc1974]

ppw?

[TheLostSwede]

Points Per Week?

[EMT]

This thread is dizzying...

Well, ppw=points per week.

And I think I'll ask my parents to start folding today.

[Straight_Man]

Since that ain't the topic and the real topic is our drop in rank... however I will state my "case" in this case. :rolleyes:

Back in 1996 or so, when I first started using the internet, I remember when everybody jumped on the Netscape Bandwagon. Then, a few years later, everyone jumped on the Internet Explorer Bandwagon. Now is no different. Now, everyone is jumping on the Firefox Bandwagon. I really don't feel like jumping on bandwagons.


I've used IE as my main browser since 1996. I've been satisfied with it although I have used other browsers, my main choice being Opera. A browser is a browser, so use what you want.

But rememeber, just like Nancy Reagan used to say, "Just Say No!" ;)


Well, that "Just Say NO!" was an anti-evil campaign. I can tell yuo thateven with IE at SP2 in XP SP2, I use IE as little as possible and use Firefox or Mozilla.

Also, you might want to note that Netsape now is based on a Gecko core, has or will have a two-click option to show pages in IE if they fail Yes, Netscape will be able to do this if it is not fully able now as beta 0.5.6+ (PC World is source for this)-- ever seen a browser call another browser and pass a URL\URI to it before so that the other borwser opens the opage in a new window(??)-- I have not, I have never seen this handoff really implemented before.

Netscape will also allow nimble tab control of browsing with tabs, which both FireFox and Mozilla can do now, so if you want a tabbed browser you are more likely to get one from Mozilla, Firefox, or by waiting a bit and getting it from Netscape (best advice here it to wait until it reaches 0.8+ to 0.9+)with its normal green interface and tabbing, etc. Netscape, says PC WORLD should be at version one (on a Gecko base, probably from FireFox work plus Mozilla work), by end of year so if you want to see a combo mail\newsgroup\composer of HTML\Browser check out Mozilla 1.7 and by end of year expect Netscape to be out of beta for version 1+ and expect Netscape to be developed better as time goes onward.

Note that AOL also helps fund the Mozilla foundation some, and gets rights to use some of the Mozilla Foundation's coding. Result of this is that AOL gets to customize Mozilla and firefox and Thunderbird features in measure each into Netscape and Mozilla foundation gets some help froim AOL in coding and also some monetary funds.

What we are seeing for browsers is morphs of them in increasingly complex ways. I expect Netscape to rise from its ashes some, Mozilla and FireFox and Thunderbird dev to continue, and Opera to continue dev. The mostr major reason I do NOT use Opera often now is simple-- both Mozilla and Firefox have beter email\newsggroup and compose modules out there than Opera Does, and those module rival Outlook Express almost to evenness of features while being better at catching spam and junking it.

Right now my favs are a blended use of most ot the Mozilla Foundations work, with IE available at need also.

[rc1974]

...back on topic. It's official, Team Short-Media is now in 12th place.

BTW- what was our highest ever ranking and when was it?

[dragonV8]

When i joined 12 month's ago we were 9th. :)

For whatever reason, other teams managed to attract more new folders than we did. :(

Good to see there is still the old "Never say die attitude". :D

[rc1974]

9th to 12th in 12 months, that's bad. :(

I think a lot of our drop in rank has not only to do with recruitment of new members and keeping current members active, it also has to do with higher point WU's that some of these newer and larger groups like Team MacOS X are taking advantage of.

I know that in Seti@Home teams there is a way to prune inactive members, but many teams never do. I'm still on Team Art Bell under two nicks, but I haven't done anything with Seti in almost two years. I wonder if pruning inactive members, mainly ones that do one WU and then quit would help, but not pruning ones like t1rhino which are only inactive due to no fault of their own, but have contributed greatly to the cause.

As for dropping any further, we seem to be pretty safe for at least the next seven months or so, as p2p-community(#15) seems to be the only threat to us so far.

:confused: I wonder what people's motives are when they join a team and fold only one or two WU's and then quit?

[profdlp]

...I wonder what people's motives are when they join a team and fold only one or two WU's and then quit?
I know that I'm always trying out a new utility, etc. Some of them don't stay on my machine longer than five minutes. I think some people see us devoted Folders carrying on about what a great project this is (and it really is), install it, then expect some miraculous immediate result.

At least the handful of WU's turned in by the "dabblers" do a little good. Added together throughout the project it probably adds up to a significant amount.

Obviously, it's the ones who stick it out for the long haul who do the most good. :thumbsup: :fold:

[rc1974]

I know that I'm always trying out a new utility, etc. Some of them don't stay on my machine longer than five minutes. I think some people see us devoted Folders carrying on about what a great project this is (and it really is), install it, then expect some miraculous immediate result.

At least the handful of WU's turned in by the "dabblers" do a little good. Added together throughout the project it probably adds up to a significant amount.

Obviously, it's the ones who stick it out for the long haul who do the most good. :thumbsup: :fold:


those that expect the "miraculous immediate result", are probably the same ones that expect getting broadband internet will make their 10 year old computer faster or help them lose weight without exercise or dieting. I wonder what sort of miraculous result they expect from F@H?

The dabblers do good for the cause as a whole, but why join a team, why not be anonymous?

[mmonnin]

We were once like 6th or so. I forget. Someone prolly knows.

[profdlp]

One thing to keep in mind is that we haven't fallen in the standings because our team is slowing down. It's just that a few others have gotten better. One of the teams that passed us (SAgoons) came out of nowhere. They had a well-established website with thousands of members. When they took up the Folding cause they had a built in advantage due to their large membership. Nothing against Team MacOS, but it's reasonable to assume that they had a similar advantage.

Then there was the big debacle... (http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21089)

[muddocktor]

Yeah, the big hack job hurt this team badly, no doubt about it. Plus, you have some teams that have since passed us that are from really big forums many times the size of us here at SM, so I don't feel badly about being passed. For a forum our size, we pack a pretty damn bigg folding wallop and we are in the project for the long term. Let's see how some of these up-n-comers are doing a year or 2 down the road. ;)

BTW, at one time we were in 5th place, directly behind hardocp, OCAU, overclockers.com and rage3d. That was shortly before the big Icrontic hack. :thumbsup:

BTW, I kinda get a kick out of the mac boys because they needed the power of their x86 machines under their direction to pass us. ;)

[rc1974]

:confused: big hack? when?

[mmonnin]

Even better 5th.:)

Yeah I think I heard they are mostly x86 too.:D

We do pack a nice punch for the forum size.

Edit: This team (Team # 93) was Team Icrontic before the site was hacked and we lost the whole site. The domain names were being sold so prime, MM, and shorty created Short-Media and thats where the team went since we had no home at the time.

[profdlp]

:confused: big hack? when?
Check out the link in Post #75.

S-M was formed in the aftermath.

[rc1974]

Check out the link in Post #75.

S-M was formed in the aftermath.

sounded like piss poor management to me.

[primesuspect]

Well it doesn't much matter anymore. We're here now, that's all that matters.

[primesuspect]

I added two Opteron 850's (temporarily), an a64 3400+, an athlon 1800+ permenantly, and the very first thing I'll be doing with my 1.8ghz G5 is installing F@H when I get it :D

[DanG]

I added two Opteron 850's (temporarily), an a64 3400+, an athlon 1800+ permenantly, and the very first thing I'll be doing with my 1.8ghz G5 is installing F@H when I get it :D

Just out of curiosity, how well do the G5's fold?

[primesuspect]

very, very well.. See mondi's score? He rose through the ranks VERY QUICKLY when he had a G5 lab folding for a little while. Once I have it folding, I'll get some real numbers for you.

[Macaholic]

Just out of curiosity, how well do the G5's fold?

This should give you a general idea on an iMac G5 1.8GHz with 1GB Dual Channel RAM.

Index 1: finished 343.00 pts (10.689 pt/hr) 27.7 X min speed; project: 1318

Index 9: finished 302.00 pts (10.086 pt/hr) 26.5 X min speed; project: 1314

Index 8: finished 346.00 pts (10.890 pt/hr) 27.9 X min speed; project: 1321

[muddocktor]

That's some interesting numbers, Macaholic. It's roughly equivelent to my Dothan 2.0 laptop it looks like. I haven't done the same wu's as yours but it has done similar ones in the p130x range at around that same speed. :thumbsup:

Now if they only made a Mac that you could easily overclock (and wasn't proprietary on main components). ;)

[Gargoyle]

I've lost pretty much all my folding power. All I have left is my main rig. Since I left school, I've given away my spare Palomino rig, and I had to leave my two Presshot workstations behind at my last job. Can't use the computers at my new job, either. They monitor all the net activity. I could probably get away with folding on the laptop if I only send/rec. work when I bring it home. If only I could get some time on one of their supercomputers...