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Omega65
21 Aug 2003, 4:06pm
<a href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11142" target=_blank>The Inq: AMD 754 Athlon 64 is ready to go<a/>

<i>"At launch in late September, AMD will introduce a 754-pin and a 940 version of the Athlon 64 and that will be followed next year by a 939 pin version.

According to one motherboard maker, engineering samples of the 754 pin version have been available for some time and <b>not only is the chip overclockable, its performance is markedly better than the rough Intel equivalents</b>."</i>

<a href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11142" target=_blank>more here...<a/>

Thrax
21 Aug 2003, 4:07pm
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ALL HAIL AMD.

I can't wait to see which is the chip to have. The 754 or the 940.

Omega65
21 Aug 2003, 4:25pm
All Hail Indeed....

From AMDzone (www.amdzone.com)

<i>"Rumors are the Athlon 64 FX will launch at <b>2.2GHz with a model number of 51</b>. "</i>

Thrax
21 Aug 2003, 4:35pm
AMD Athlon 64 Pricing? (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11150)
The INQwell
WHEN AMD introduces its 3200+ (2GHz) Athlon 64 on the 23rd September, it will charge around $399 for the single channel DDR 754 pin model. In October, it will introduce a 3400+ version of the chip

AMD to migrate Athlon XP to 754 package? (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11149)
The INQwell
WE NOW HAVE CONFIRMATION of an earlier story at Xbit Labs saying that AMD will use a 754 pin layout in the future.

TheLostSwede
21 Aug 2003, 5:33pm
Thrax said
AMD Athlon 64 Pricing? (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11150)
The INQwell
WHEN AMD introduces its 3200+ (2GHz) Athlon 64 on the 23rd September, it will charge around $399 for the single channel DDR 754 pin model. In October, it will introduce a 3400+ version of the chip

AMD to migrate Athlon XP to 754 package? (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11149)
The INQwell
WE NOW HAVE CONFIRMATION of an earlier story at Xbit Labs saying that AMD will use a 754 pin layout in the future.

Seems to be a smarter route to go. Manufacturing chips with 3 or 4 different layouts must be expensive.

Why 939 and 940? 1 pin difference? 939 the 9 ms chip?

Omega65
21 Aug 2003, 5:50pm
Thrax said
AMD to migrate Athlon XP to 754 package? (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11149)
The INQwell
WE NOW HAVE CONFIRMATION of an earlier story at Xbit Labs saying that AMD will use a 754 pin layout in the future.

AMD should have done this 2 YEARS ago. By now we would all have Athlon64 ready/upgradeable motherboards by now!

Thrax
21 Aug 2003, 5:53pm
The manufacturing process two years ago couldn't even touch 754 pins in a single package.

croc_
21 Aug 2003, 5:55pm
*saves up*

Omega65
21 Aug 2003, 6:34pm
Thrax said
The manufacturing process two years ago couldn't even touch 754 pins in a single package.

The Opteron was initially due Q1 2002, so it must have been possible


IBM Power3 (http://www.mis.cov.ac.uk/~kenmk/203cs/ibmpower.html) (1998) 15mil Transistors 1088 pins

UltraSparc III (http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-III/USIIITech.html) Nov2001 ~30mil Transistors 1368 Pins


Certainly Possible - AMD wasn't thinking far enough ahead.

In 2002 AMD was still saying that FSB333/400 didn't have any tangible performance benefits over FSB266

Thrax
21 Aug 2003, 6:54pm
Possible, but one of their earliest glitches was problems with their packaging. :D

Omega65
21 Aug 2003, 7:21pm
Yeah, It's why I'm really starting to worry about AMD. Their Production capability is their biggest weakness.

Consider which would have been easier to design and produce. A Athlon XP with a slightly lenthened pipeline (for clockspeed), 200+mhz x 4 FSB and a 1MB L2 or the Opteron??

Thrax
21 Aug 2003, 7:23pm
As I said in some other thread somewhere:

I'm not too worried about their fab skills any more with IBM <i>and</i> TSMC with them.

a2jfreak
21 Aug 2003, 8:32pm
Easier to produce perhaps, but that gives them very little headroom for the future.

Opteron not only allows them headroom for the future, but it's 64-bit now rather than 64-bit 5 years from now

Omega65 said
Yeah, It's why I'm really starting to worry about AMD. Their Production capability is their biggest weakness.

Consider which would have been easier to design and produce. A Athlon XP with a slightly lenthened pipeline (for clockspeed), 200+mhz x 4 FSB and a 1MB L2 or the Opteron??