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Camman
13 Jun 2005, 9:34pm
I don't get why people have pit bulls, but then again I don't get why people like this are allowed to have children. Now, if it's not ridiculous enough that this woman had to try and lock her 12 year old boy in the basement because she was afraid her 2 pit bulls would attack him, and not ridiculous enough that he WAS killed by the pit bulls and she has YET TO BE ARRESTED, check out what she had to say about his death:

“It’s Nicky’s time to go,” she said in the interview. “When you’re born you’re destined to go and this was his time.”

WHAT!?! that's what someone who's 12 year old son was just KILLED. I can't belive this story hasn't gotten more press or that this woman hasn't been put behind bars yet.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8205951/

primesuspect
13 Jun 2005, 9:43pm
Yeah i read that yesterday. That story is almost surreally stupid. There's something fishy about the whole thing.

TheSmJ
13 Jun 2005, 9:54pm
This was in San Fran? I was expecting backwoods Kentucky.

FormFactor
13 Jun 2005, 11:37pm
:shakehead

bothered
14 Jun 2005, 6:43am
We get a story every so often that a kid has had his\her face ripped off by the family pet. The owners reaction is usually along the lines of "he's always been very good with children". I won't have a dog in the house.

Buddy J
14 Jun 2005, 3:12pm
There was a kid in the news yesterday evening, local boy I think, that stuck his hand through a fence and had his arm mangled by some pit bulls. The kid is 3. They had to amputate his arm.

If society can make laws keeping lions and tigers and bears (oh my!) from being kept as pets, you'd think they could take care of other dangerous animals.

tcith
14 Jun 2005, 3:31pm
Any dog can be potentially dangerous - Pit Bulls can be gentle even tempered animals and collies can be viscious beast that could kill a kid. An animal is just that an animal and people seem to think that just keeping them in a domestic situation makes them safe.

I have a Australian Kelpie cross Staffordshire - he's and extremely muscular dog, about 28kg - I would nevr allow him to be unsupervised with a child as he is a rather "rough playing" dog - he is in an enclosed yard.

I know many people who have Pitt Bulls and found them to be loveable pets who are extremely affectionate, in the end it is the owner who is responsible for the actions of the pet.

Jimborae
14 Jun 2005, 4:45pm
Any dog can be potentially dangerous - Pit Bulls can be gentle even tempered animals and collies can be viscious beast that could kill a kid. An animal is just that an animal and people seem to think that just keeping them in a domestic situation makes them safe.

I have a Australian Kelpie cross Staffordshire - he's and extremely muscular dog, about 28kg - I would nevr allow him to be unsupervised with a child as he is a rather "rough playing" dog - he is in an enclosed yard.

I know many people who have Pitt Bulls and found them to be loveable pets who are extremely affectionate, in the end it is the owner who is responsible for the actions of the pet.

Never a truer word spoken.

There was a rash of these attacks in the UK that led to one of the most rushed & ill thought out peices of legislation that we have - The Dangerous Dogs Act.

Pit Bull & Staffordshire Terriers are, by nature, extremely loyal & protective animals however they are also very strong & have aggressive tendancies. This can under certain conditions lead to unfortunate events. In the majority of cases these are the fault of the owner or the victim (or person responsible for the victim) not the dog's yet it's always the dog that gets the blame.

Also in the UK the majority of attacks by dogs are not carried out by these so called dangerous breeds but by your common Labrador breeds.

bothered
14 Jun 2005, 4:56pm
Never a truer word spoken.

There was a rash of these attacks in the UK that led to one of the most rushed & ill thought out peices of legislation that we have - The Dangerous Dogs Act.

Pit Bull & Staffordshire Terriers are, by nature, extremely loyal & protective animals however they are also very strong & have aggressive tendancies. This can under certain conditions lead to unfortunate events. In the majority of cases these are the fault of the owner or the victim (or person responsible for the victim) not the dog's yet it's always the dog that gets the blame.

Also in the UK the majority of attacks by dogs are not carried out by these so called dangerous breeds but by your common Labrador breeds.
I don't think they went far enough with the dangerous dogs act. All dogs should be muzzled in public and there should be very siff penalties for letting them foul the place. Dog lovers always defend their dogs which is fair enough but those of us that don't like dogs shouldn't have to put up with it.

Jimborae
14 Jun 2005, 7:50pm
I don't think they went far enough with the dangerous dogs act. All dogs should be muzzled in public and there should be very siff penalties for letting them foul the place. Dog lovers always defend their dogs which is fair enough but those of us that don't like dogs shouldn't have to put up with it.

Dog fouling in a public area is one thing that shouldn't be tolerated but that's another issue. As for muzzling dogs in public well thats just plain wrong unless the dog is normally aggressive. What is it you shouldn't have to put up with, I don't understand?

bothered
14 Jun 2005, 9:05pm
Well at the risk of offending the dog lovers, and that is not my intention, I have been bitten a couple of times, I have trod in crap quite a few times, I have been harrassed a few times, next doors dog yaps constantly and I feel uncomfortable if I have to walk past one. None of these things are 'the dogs fault',except for the ones that bit me. I do know I have a problem with dogs and that's not the dogs fault either, I don't think you can blame an animal for it's behaviour. I know plenty of people who just don't like them and every single dog owner I've spoken to always says it's the owners fault and they wouldn't dream of letting their dog out alone or allow it to foul the paths. Because dogs in this country are very much accepted and the laws very relaxed I have to put up with all of the above. I don't want a dog, I don't want to share anybody elses either. I do in fact know several very responsible dog owners and I'm sure there are lots of them but unfortunately in this country it doesn't seem to be the norm, That's what I have to put up with. Just a personal view guys.

Jimborae
14 Jun 2005, 9:19pm
Ok I get it, it's something you & I will never agree on unfortunately but I do understand. However we have stricter rules than most of Europe I think you'll find.

bothered
14 Jun 2005, 9:25pm
Well I don't know about the rest of Europe. I really do understand that it is me that has a bigger problem with dogs than most people but a supprising number agree with me, or so they say :)

primesuspect
14 Jun 2005, 9:45pm
Well at the risk of offending the dog lovers, and that is not my intention, I have been bitten a couple of times, I have trod in crap quite a few times, I have been harrassed a few times, next doors dog yaps constantly and I feel uncomfortable if I have to walk past one. None of these things are 'the dogs fault',except for the ones that bit me. I do know I have a problem with dogs and that's not the dogs fault either, I don't think you can blame an animal for it's behaviour. I know plenty of people who just don't like them and every single dog owner I've spoken to always says it's the owners fault and they wouldn't dream of letting their dog out alone or allow it to foul the paths. Because dogs in this country are very much accepted and the laws very relaxed I have to put up with all of the above. I don't want a dog, I don't want to share anybody elses either. I do in fact know several very responsible dog owners and I'm sure there are lots of them but unfortunately in this country it doesn't seem to be the norm, That's what I have to put up with. Just a personal view guys.

That's how I feel about cigarette smoking. Unfortunately, as hard as I try to avoid it, I usually end up with someone's foul, disgusting, filthy cigarette smoke in my face.

bothered
14 Jun 2005, 9:50pm
That's how I feel about cigarette smoking. Unfortunately, as hard as I try to avoid it, I usually end up with someone's foul, disgusting, filthy cigarette smoke in my face.
Excellent point too. I smoke and am guilty of inflicting it on others. I won't smoke in someones house if they don't but if they're near me outside, yeah.

DogSoldier
14 Jun 2005, 10:14pm
It's a tragedy... and I think something should be done. Not to make lightly of this, but the fact is.. the media won't give this wide attention simply because Republicans are dog people and Democrats are cat people. Simplistic?! Absolutely!

On a different and even stranger note, my cat Wumpus bit a small child named Bob (His real name, no lie).. bit him on the arm and judging by the amount of blood, he must have caught a vein. Wumpus plays rough.. but this was beyond anything I thought him capable of, It scared me.. for the next few days I kept a close eye on him, looking for signs of Rabies. It scared Bob's parents too, they took him to the clinic and made a report. 2 days later I got a visit from the Brant County Health Unit. I was told to keep Wumpus indoors for 12 days, and that "Under no circumstances is Wumpus to be destroyed." Wumpus got his final visit from the friendly neighborhood Health Officer today and he's been cleared of having rabies. I hated the fact it happened, Bob is the sweetest kid you'd ever wanna meet.. if his Father gave me the word, I'd have detroyed Wumpus, I wouldn't have liked it.. I love the furry lil bastard. But I know where my priorities lie, some Pit Bull owners don't.

tcith
16 Jun 2005, 2:36pm
I don't think they went far enough with the dangerous dogs act. All dogs should be muzzled in public and there should be very siff penalties for letting them foul the place. Dog lovers always defend their dogs which is fair enough but those of us that don't like dogs shouldn't have to put up with it.


Fouling footpaths and walkways is another matter entirely - my plastic baggie dispenser is next to the lead and is taken with me every place I take the pooch.

The Dog I have - even as well behaved as he is - is on a lead at all times when walking around, he is only let off the lead at specific places (I am lucky to live in a city with doggie parks, designated dog play areas) - I would never let him approach a person unless they wished it.

I could say alot about putting up with behaviour I don;t like - kids in supermarkets - but I shall refain :D

tcith
16 Jun 2005, 2:37pm
Excellent point too. I smoke and am guilty of inflicting it on others. I won't smoke in someones house if they don't but if they're near me outside, yeah.

Don;t start me on people who smoke near me even outside ;D I abhore the disgusting habit

GHoosdum
16 Jun 2005, 3:35pm
if his Father gave me the word, I'd have detroyed Wumpus, I wouldn't have liked it.. I love the furry lil bastard. But I know where my priorities lie, some Pit Bull owners don't.

I'm a dog guy. Not a Pit Bull fan, but a dog guy all the same. I agree with you in what you said - if my (currently hypothetical) dog ever showed itself to be the type to bite someone who's not a threat to myself or the premises, I'd have no hesitation in having the dog put down. Maybe it's because I've been bit several times before, but there are dogs that do bite and dogs that don't, and once a dog shows that they will bite someone such as a child or family friend, it just isn't the same dog anymore, IMHO.

my cat Wumpus bit a small child named Bob (His real name, no lie)

Who's real name? Wumpus or Bob? ;)

RiversCuomo
16 Jun 2005, 7:19pm
I'm a dog guy. Not a Pit Bull fan, but a dog guy all the same. I agree with you in what you said - if my (currently hypothetical) dog ever showed itself to be the type to bite someone who's not a threat to myself or the premises, I'd have no hesitation in having the dog put down. Maybe it's because I've been bit several times before, but there are dogs that do bite and dogs that don't, and once a dog shows that they will bite someone such as a child or family friend, it just isn't the same dog anymore, IMHO.


Couldn't of put it better myself.

Camman
16 Jun 2005, 7:37pm
I could say alot about putting up with behaviour I don;t like - kids in supermarkets - but I shall refain :D

The difference here of course being that it's unlikely someones annoying and bratty child is going to run up and physically harm a random person by biting them or otherwise injuring them. An annoyance, sure, but a threat? Not likely, can't really say the same for irresponsible dog owners.

Bone
18 Jun 2005, 6:54pm
I was attack by a pitbull when i was 10.. it ran into my yard from my neighbours. i had to get 24 stitches on my leg, hip and left hand. the dog was put down. It almost killed me but my dad came out and kicked it in the face. so yeah. im not saying all pitbulls are dangerous thou. a freind of mine had one and it was really friendly.

Thrax
18 Jun 2005, 7:14pm
The difference here of course being that it's unlikely someones annoying and bratty child is going to run up and physically harm a random person by biting them or otherwise injuring them. An annoyance, sure, but a threat? Not likely, can't really say the same for irresponsible dog owners.

I was mauled by a toddler once. It's true. I got better.

tcith
20 Jun 2005, 8:18am
The difference here of course being that it's unlikely someones annoying and bratty child is going to run up and physically harm a random person by biting them or otherwise injuring them. An annoyance, sure, but a threat? Not likely, can't really say the same for irresponsible dog owners.


I have been "hit" in the goolies by a runaway brat at a Supermarket, he came screaming round the corner and slamed right into my groin at full tilt, I went down like a sack of potatoes - the parent did not even apologise or tell the runt off.

bothered
20 Jun 2005, 3:29pm
;D ;D
I always thought God put goolies there as a joke, kid hight, table corner hight, climbing fences hight. They should be on top of your head so you could wear a fashionable protective hat.

CB
20 Jun 2005, 4:40pm
;D ;D
I always thought God put goolies there as a joke, kid hight, table corner hight, climbing fences hight. They should be on top of your head so you could wear a fashionable protective hat.


Here here!! I wonder if there is a surgery that can be done?

Buddy J
20 Jun 2005, 5:01pm
Ball caps with integrated codpieces would be cool. That bulge on my forehead ain't a sock.

bothered
20 Jun 2005, 5:05pm
Ball caps, ;D

GHoosdum
20 Jun 2005, 6:18pm
There are just some folks who don't look good in hats.

Plus, it's against the dress code at work... :o

bothered
20 Jun 2005, 6:26pm
There are just some folks who don't look good in hats.

Depends on what the alternative is.

maxanon
20 Jun 2005, 7:01pm
We should be able to kick the responsible ones on the face when crap like that happens. The amount of times I've gotten unwanted drool (from dogs and snotty kids) annoys the heck out of me. Or the jerks who light up in the no-smoking section.

Aw well... the alternative is being isolated. Its kinda frightful when one starts to envy shut-ins.

Preacher
25 Jun 2005, 8:46pm
"Faibish faces a maximum ten years in prison if convicted."

10 Years isn't enough for this imbecile. Sad we need a license to drive, to fish, to hunt, even to cut hair, but anyone can take on the most important role we ever are blessed with....parenting.:scratch:


http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/24/dog.mauling.ap/index.html