Tourney scheduling help

[primesuspect]

I have no experience with big tournaments for RTS games such as AOE3 and BFME2.

Approximately how long does, say, a 4 on 4 tournament last? (for AOE3).

[Crazy Joe]

Well I'd say a standard 4v4 game usually takes a couple hours at least... I've played some games that have lasted upwards of 3 hours or more...

[Sledgehammer70]

Hey prime are yopu going to do single play elim? or 3 round matches? like best of 3... I run RTS tournaments left and right, so feel free to pick my brain.

[primesuspect]

Okay, consider your brain picked. Can you educate me? I've never run an RTS tourney :D

[Sledgehammer70]

just do 1 round elim's which takes 15 to 30 minutes per round. So for 16 players = about 2 hours if they play back to back rounds... 32 players = 2 1/2 hours....

[primesuspect]

So you don't suggest teams?

[Sledgehammer70]

Teams are good if we have enough players

[QCH2002]

Teams are a MUST cuz I suck and need otherts to die with me!!!

[MountainDew]

Teams are a MUST cuz I suck and need otherts to die with me!!!

i second that...ill be more of a burden than anything else.

[Crazy Joe]

Wow, you guys are really making your cases for people to want you on their teams...

[GHoosdum]

For AOE3, I recommend starter decks being required for at least the first round of the tournament. That way everyone starts on theoretically equal footing.

[Sledgehammer70]

Um I own at BFME2 :)

[oCoMiK]

Um I own at BFME2 :)

That's because you haven't played me :rockon: I'll drop your race* like a bad transmission!!!!!

Disclaimer: *Battle for Middle Earth 2 is an real-time strategy game where various races attempt to conquer each other. The term race used above is in reference to this game and not the race of any other factional or fictional player, person, or individual. Had there been an intention to disparage a particular race, class, or ethincity it would have been spelled out specifically in the message by the author.

[primesuspect]

Oh it's on!

Just wait, I have 3-4 weeks to get good at it! omgz! :Pwned:

[Sledgehammer70]

That's because you haven't played me :rockon: I'll drop your race* like a bad transmission!!!!!

Disclaimer: *Battle for Middle Earth 2 is an real-time strategy game where various races attempt to conquer each other. The term race used above is in reference to this game and not the race of any other factional or fictional player, person, or individual. Had there been an intention to disparage a particular race, class, or ethincity it would have been spelled out specifically in the message by the author.

Dude you have no Idea who your talking to.... lol... I can't run a site like this (http://www.bfmetournaments.com) and suck...

[CB]

Hmm... my RTS matches (1v1) usually take upwards of 3 hours apiece... I guess I like a more long-term economic style game...

[Sledgehammer70]

I can make a BFME2 game last 3 hours, but you do not want to see the army I wil have coming at you....

[primesuspect]

LAN 06 Smack Talking has begun! :rolleyes:

[GHoosdum]

Now that I'm thinking about it, if we're scheduling 15 to 20 minutes per round, that means that these are going to be rushing games. I'm not a rush game player, in fact, I always specify "No Rush" as rule #1 when I am the host PC for any RTS.

If we're scheduling 2 hours for the whole tournament, that pretty much guarantees that these will be rush games. So I think I'll drop out of the tourney.

[Sledgehammer70]

In tournament play it is all about killing your opponent and moving on.... if you want a non rush game I will setup anothe rLaptop with no one playing you :)

[QCH2002]

Dude you have no Idea who your talking to.... lol... I can't run a site like this (http://www.bfmetournaments.com) and suck...I've seen other owners suck at what they do even though they run a website...





I have no trouble bringing the nerf guns and shooting you while you play!!!! :necro:

[Sledgehammer70]

I will put auto pilot on :) I mean auto I win on

[GHoosdum]

I agree with Q. In fact, just the fact that you spend time maintaining that website means that you spend that much less time playing the game... time which others can spend playing, so that they can pwn you. ;)

[primesuspect]

I don't even know what rushing means.

Rob, if you would like to plan the AOE 3 tournament, I am perfectly happy giving you the reigns. Mat, you can run the BFME tournament. I'd rather the experts do it than me. I'm more of a cheerleader/delegating type... I hate getting mired in details :)

[Sledgehammer70]

well when I played online I was ranked 2nd in the online ladders out fo 130,000+ players. I stopped playing in my own tournaments as I was making it to the finals every time.....

I love RTS games... it is my passion

[Sledgehammer70]

I don't even know what rushing means.

Rob, if you would like to plan the AOE 3 tournament, I am perfectly happy giving you the reigns. Mat, you can run the BFME tournament. I'd rather the experts do it than me. I'm more of a cheerleader/delegating type... I hate getting mired in details :)

Eww I have spiffy ladders we could use and post for the SM communtiy to see :)

[GHoosdum]

I don't even know what rushing means.

Rob, if you would like to plan the AOE 3 tournament, I am perfectly happy giving you the reigns. Mat, you can run the BFME tournament. I'd rather the experts do it than me. I'm more of a cheerleader/delegating type... I hate getting mired in details :)

Rushing is when a player or players build as many forces as quickly as possible in order to catch the other person before they can build a defense. It usually means that anyone who is not using a rushing strategy gets destroyed before they can even begin to actually play the game. A game of AOE3 for me usually takes 1.5 to 3 hours, depending upon the number of players, and involves building up through all the ages that the game contains, then implementing a strategy based upon how the opponents have performed their buildup. A game for a rusher usually takes 15 to 20 minutes and involves one person or team spamming units at the others in an early age, preventing the progression from age-to-age, and really preventing the use of strategy gameplay - the game is reduced to a single simple formula every time. A common rushing tactic in AOE3 is called "Fast Fortress" which involves trying to get to the fortress age more quickly than your opponent, then building your fortress as close to the enemy's base as the game engine allows, then spamming them with a constant barrage of units from the fortress. It's a winning combination, but it doesn't take skill, only speed, and the game is no longer a strategy game at all. :rant:

Brian, thank you for the offer to run the tourney, but I am far from being knowledgeable about running tournaments. I've played many games of AOE3, but I've never even played in an RTS tournament, let alone run one. I'm afraid I'll have to decline your offer. :)

[primesuspect]

Okay rushing sounds really dumb. What's the point of playing? At that point it's more of a clicking contest.... :confused:

Okay, yeah I agree, no rushing.

If you think two hours isn't enough, then tell me what you think. Please, I'm all ears :)

Point of LAN: Have fun with friends, not get into bickers about details

[primesuspect]

And just another point: The calendar is not set in stone. Just because you see a block of red that says "two hours" doesn't mean that 2 hours from the start, I'm going to be pulling the plug. The game starts at 11:00 AM, and will go until it is finished :)

[GHoosdum]

Okay rushing sounds really dumb. What's the point of playing? At that point it's more of a clicking contest.... :confused:

Okay, yeah I agree, no rushing.

If you think two hours isn't enough, then tell me what you think. Please, I'm all ears :)

Point of LAN: Have fun with friends, not get into bickers about details

I think the length of the tournament would wind up depending upon how many people or teams are involved. Mat would probably be better equipped to answer this question based on a laddering system... but I think we should schedule 1 hour minimum per round. But that's just off the top of my head.

I agree with the point being having fun. I played less games last year than I did at 2004's LAN, and I had more fun. That's because I mainly hung out with people most of the time. I anticipate this year being even more fun, and I don't even know if I'll wind up playing anything! ;D

[QCH2002]

Another point... since this is a friendly tourney... how about we rate ourselves. The really awesome guys are assigned to different teams so that we don't end up with two pros against 3 noobs... Heck, two pros verses 4 noobs would be interested.

Last year, SewerTrooper made all of us look like children in Rome: Age of Empires. But he saw that and penalized himself so it was a bit more fair. He also instructed several of us (even during the game) on better ways to use our troops. That made it more fun, we learned, and I was able to ALMOST beat him (with a slight handicap) by the end of the night!!!

[GHoosdum]

Another point... since this is a friendly tourney... how about we rate ourselves. The really awesome guys are assigned to different teams so that we don't end up with two pros against 3 noobs... Heck, two pros verses 4 noobs would be interested.

Last year, SewerTrooper made all of us look like children in Rome: Age of Empires. But he saw that and penalized himself so it was a bit more fair. He also instructed several of us (even during the game) on better ways to use our troops. That made it more fun, we learned, and I was able to ALMOST beat him (with a slight handicap) by the end of the night!!!

Q, that is an AWESOME idea.

And by that description, SewerTroopr is the epitome of good sportsmanship. :rockon:

[QCH2002]

Thank you... I can teach you how to fly Choppers!!!!







In circles and into the ground....:D

[GHoosdum]

Thank you... I can teach you how to fly Choppers!!!!
In circles and into the ground....:D

I remember watching you fly last year. You did really well. I think you were the only one at last year's lan who could actually keep the thing in the air at all...

[QCH2002]

Desert combat... I am not bad... BF2....





God never intended humans to fly and EA Games made darn sure that I couldn't. OK... I was able to fly and land (mostly) but had a hard time with detaled striffing and avoiding the serface to air missles.... {BOOM}

[Sledgehammer70]

I'm Fly... I'm Pilot... I can tear up the the Heli's in BF2 :)

Also I have no problem in helping out witht he RTS setup and rules....eww rules....

[GHoosdum]

I'm Fly... I'm Pilot... I can tear up the the Heli's in BF2 :)

Also I have no problem in helping out witht he RTS setup and rules....eww rules....

You're fly like Vanilla Ice? Sorry, I just couldn't help it... I don't think I've seen or heard anyone use the phrase "I'm fly" since the early '90s. :D

[Sledgehammer70]

I got that phase from Independence Day when they are looking for pilots and the old vietnam drunk says... "I'm Fly... I'm Pilot"

[GHoosdum]

I got that phase from Independence Day when they are looking for pilots and the old vietnam drunk says... "I'm Fly... I'm Pilot"

Oh yeah, I remember that now. I thought that line was hilarious!

[oCoMiK]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer70
Dude you have no Idea who your talking to.... lol... I can't run a site (link removed cause site was terrible) like this and suck...

I've seen other owners suck at what they do even though they run a website...

I hear you Q... I've known plenty of guys that had web sites regarding their passion and just blew big wind when it came to delivering the goods. I'm not saying Sledge is this guy, I'm just saying... well, I'll just leave it that.

Those that can, reign over those who can't. Those who can't, start a web site.

[oCoMiK]

I hate getting mired in details :)

Sounds just like a consultant :smiles:

[Sledgehammer70]

Well I guess I have something to prove! I will remember these comments when you’re begging to be on my team :)

[QCH2002]

FYI... To all those that have websites, I was not singling out them or using them as examples. My fine website for my kids... well it sits dormant. So I am in no position to lay blame.

[oCoMiK]

Do all you ladies fold when the heat gets turned up? I haven't seen this much backpedalling since the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal :)

[GHoosdum]

Do all you ladies fold when the heat gets turned up? I haven't seen this much backpedalling since the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal :)

I fold all the damn time (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=GHoosdum), and I'm proud of it!. :fold: