Who cares?

[DOSMAN]

Sorry if this sounds rude, but why do people have to post as if the world is ending every time someone doesn't submit a WU for a few days? It's just folding!

I really don't see how anyone can sit and talk about a program they run in the background for more than 5 minutes.


/me braces for teh flames!

[leishi85]

people ask other people when their WU isn't turning in because we FOLDERS care about each other. and we are very competative, we want every bit of help we can get.

[DOSMAN]

I'd say "it's just a game", yet, it isn't even a game...

[Thrax]

DOSMAN said
Sorry if this sounds rude, but why do people have to post as if the world is ending every time someone doesn't submit a WU for a few days? It's just folding!

I really don't see how anyone can sit and talk about a program they run in the background for more than 5 minutes.


* DOSMAN braces for teh flames!

Agreed. Despite the statements of some along the lines of "We do it to help the community. Competition is just a bonus..."

It sure seems like some of these "OMFG WHERE SI TEH xxxx MEMBER OF SI FOLDINZG?!!?!?!?!11@#$@#$" threads are poorly-guised topics whining about the loss of a member beyond their control.

Particuarly in reference to BDR. Every time I turn around, she's giving a few points to another team as she is allowed to do, and people flip out.

For something all being in the spirit of the project, sure seems point-greedy around here.

Some of you may think that the threads are "Checking up" and "Caring." I really don't see anything but "OMFG. YOU CAN'T GIVE POINTS TO ANOTHER TEAM." threads.

:shakehead

[muddocktor]

Like leishi said, there happen to be some people here that are very competitive and want to help someone out if they are having problems with folding. Plus, we are definitely a tightly knit team and try to help each other out as much as possible, to maximize our folding ability. You evidently don't fold for a team so you don't understand what kind of team spirit that can be generated by an online team. It's kind of like a sports team in that you don't want to see one of your team mates down with an injury (broke rig) or doesn't understand the play calling (having problems with the software). ;)

[DOSMAN]

I'm on a SETI team and we are probably ranked about 1 millionth.

But I don't care about "competition", I just run it so my CPU cycles dont go to waste.

[Slick]

I hate to tell you but they are definatly going to waste running seti.

[primesuspect]

Folding benefits from the competition - if the competition wasn't there, not as many people would fold, and people wouldn't try so hard to maintain a high number of machines and points.

So, competition helps the project.

Now, with that in mind, whenever you have competition, you have people who are naturally competitive. Comptetiveness breeds these kinds of "caring" threads that you mention.

It's just basic human psychology, brother. That's why people care.

[seversphere]

tis amusing

[DOSMAN]

If I want competition, I'll go watch the Cubs. I don't see the thrill in running a computer program.

[seversphere]

if no answer if going to satisfy you then why ask.

[Al_Capown]

DOSMAN said
If I want competition, I'll go watch the Cubs. I don't see the thrill in running a computer program.

Aren't they playing right now? Maybe you should go do that...

[seversphere]

Al_Capown said
DOSMAN said
If I want competition, I'll go watch the Cubs. I don't see the thrill in running a computer program.

Aren't they playing right now? Maybe you should go do that...

wait! this is fun.

[mmonnin]

They did earlier today I think.

DOSMAN: If you dont like what goes on in here, you dont have to come in here. Its your choice.

We like FAH, you like SETI. Thats all. I dont see the point in looking for aliens, you dont see the point in what we do. O well, life goes on.

[DOSMAN]

The Cubs lost :(.

I'm just saying it looks dumb to see people so enthused about 1 member folding for someone else for a day.

[primesuspect]

I agree with you there, Dossy, but as I said - it's just the natural reaction to competition.

[Keebler]

For the same reason people can go on and on about a football team's quaterback being injured... and that really is just a game. I don't see anybody having folding parties to get plastered and yell at their computer or go around painting giant red cogs on their chests... ;D

[seversphere]

General Keebler said
I don't see anybody having folding parties to get plastered and yell at their computer or go around painting giant red cogs on their chests... ;D

not yet ;)

[FormFactor]

General Keebler said
I don't see anybody having folding parties to get plastered and yell at their computer or go around painting giant red cogs on their chests... ;D


Well I guess you havn't been over to my house then. :mullet:

J/K

[Leonardo]

DOSMAN, I understand your sentiment. Let me provide an anology.

I don't give a whit about sports, unless I'm playing. I think it completely hilarious how people can get so emotional over "silly" football and baseball games in which they aren't playing. It's so darned simple: one team wins, one team loses. OK, team X loses someone in position B. OK, team Y moves a ball up a grassy field more than any other team. Wow, the world changes over such momentous events, doesn't it! Pretty friggin' simple - one team wins, another loses.

BUT, anyone who takes joy in spectator sports and finds it valid recreation, so be it. Whatever floats the proverbial boat.

OK, away from the metaphor of spectator sports. I said I understood your sentiment. Yes, we Team 93 members do often make it appear as if the world were coming to an end. It's more team-talk than genuine emotional turbulence. If we were really as keyed up as it might appear to outsiders, this team would have imploded two years ago! We all respond on our own unique emotional level.

Let the guys do their high fives when their favorite team on TV does something special. Let us whoop it up or gesture in despair when we experience something special, either negative or positive.

Thanks for your question. It gave us an opportunity to talk about our team - something we never tire of.

[csimon]

General Keebler said
I don't see anybody having folding parties to get plastered and yell at their computer or go around painting giant red cogs on their chests... ;D
Great idea Keebs ...how bout after the lan party??? :fold:

[primesuspect]

omg! Chris changed his avatar! NOW what am I going to do?!!?!?!

[a2jfreak]

I'll address DOSMAN's question, and Thrax about BDR.

DOSMAN: Why care? Because everyone wants his/her team to do well. The project might benefit the same if the WU goes to team XXX rather than team YYY, but why care about football? It's just a game where guys slap each other on the butt and grunt and moan and throw the dead flesh of an animal through the air. I don't know that anyone has acted like it's the end of the world, but we all want to know if the person who has not submitted a WU is gone from the team or had an interuption in connectivity or is sick. What's wrong with that?

Thrax: I started the BDR thread so I'll take on this question. I did not flip out and I hope you didn't see it that way. I'm not going to say no one flipped out, but some people react differently.

Point greedy? Yeah, sure . . . I admit I want the points. Not that I wouldn't fold if I no longer had any points, but I definitely wouldn't have the same passion about it. If shooting a basket in the NBA made no difference and teams just played to play that would take a lot of spark out of the game. How then is it wrong to be "point greedy" for a F@H team? This is actually a cause that could benefit mankind, whereas the NBA probably won't bring us the cures for diseases.

Does BDR have the right to submit points for other teams? She sure does. Check my posts--I wished her well. Sure, I wanted her to stay with us (I wasn't sure if she had left or not) but I wisher her well and let her know we'd welcome her back if she wanted to come back (if she had infact left).


I think perhaps DOSMAN and Thrax are blowing this a bit out of proportion. After all, isn't it Thrax that wanted Prime to put the Opteron under a different username to "see how many points it produces" when I think most people saw that as "so you don't gain any more points on me." Why care? Why not just check the logs and see how many points were produced? Why not have the Opteron fold for team #33 (HardOCP)? Why not fold as anonymous? Why not fold for any team? When Thrax brings on his lab of Durons I know those machines aren't going to fold under "a2jfreak," but why? If it's not greed why would you care if I surpass you in points?

I'm a kettle, and I think you're a pot.

[csimon]

primesuspect said
omg! Chris changed his avatar! NOW what am I going to do?!!?!?!
LOL ...plan a cog party!!! hehe

what would the code be (ie: rrggbb) for getting a color to match my fish? I had one as a pet once!!! :fold:

[Thrax]

Proportion is relative to the person viewing the situation.

That is, in fact, the way I see it. Say what you please, change my mind you probably won't.

[a2jfreak]

I definitely agree that proportion is relative because it all comes down to perspective. We shall agree to disagree one the other points.

Enough talk, let's :fold::fold::fold:

[SimGuy]

Fold for whatever team you want, as long as you are contributing. It's participation that counts.

[Leonardo]

Enough talk, let's :fold: :fold: :fold:

Crud! And I was just starting to get cranked up for making fun of spectator sports!

[seversphere]

I love catching shoepick on light tackle!

[bothered]

DOSMAN said
Sorry if this sounds rude, but why do people have to post as if the world is ending every time someone doesn't submit a WU for a few days? It's just folding!

I really don't see how anyone can sit and talk about a program they run in the background for more than 5 minutes.


/me braces for teh flames!


Sorry if this sounds rude, but why do people have to post to ask why somebody is doing something they don't understand?
People are concerned about folding, It's called community, something this forum is big on. Personally I'm not bothered who does what as long as its not whinging about what somebody else is doing. Live and let live! Harmoniously.

bothered.

[primesuspect]

bothered said
Personally I'm not bothered....


Boy, I'm confused now.... :scratch:

[Straight_Man]

Let's just say that there are some of us who are HOT about finding cancer cures. We do not think the world is ending for each of US when the folding hangs or someone has other problems with thier computer. I did not yell when I had to get my Windows client on one of my folding boxes to try to resend for an hour, but I did it because MANY folks die of cancer each year and folding has the potential to find ways of NOT letting cells bacome cancerous, and to treat certain kinds with precision.

Stanford, by running Folding at Home, not only feeds data to chemists and physicians of research caliber who take the data to be able to pinpoint what routes of treatment can stop particular cell malformations (many of which result in cancerous growths, one form of which killed one of my grandmothers and one form of which killed my father after taking his voice in its entirety and then attacked his brain-- both people died AT HOME and took MONTHS to do so, both had lives with good and bad, both had treatments that nearly killed them because not enough was klnown about cancer, and in my town of mostly older folks(2\3 of the towns population is retirees from points North of Florida) about 500 died of one form or another of cancer in the last 12 months alone. I bet lots of folks fold for reasons like that (friend, friend's dad or grandpa or grandma or uncle or aunt passed away of cancer) and hang here and are fired UP about killing a class of things(cells going wild) that can take THOUSANDS of detailed forms WITHOUT killing the patient.

We care cuz we saw parts of the problem first hand. 80% of cancer cases are NOT caught in time and when found are NOT curable-- all the doctors can do is try to kill the pain. Hundreds of thousands worldwide die of some form of cancer each year, adn we can repair hearts better than we can attack cancer because cancer is of many forms and can happen many ways. If we were to publicly fund (via government sponsored research) cancer research that is done by folding as volunteers, the bill would come in at many billions of dollars to get results in this generation for more than 3 kinds of the hundreds of kinds of cancer. So, the volunteers help do it-- we help so others do not have to die as our loved or known ones HAVE died, and in some cases, died in our arms literally. My reason for committing to folding has zilch to do with points, it has to do with maybe MOM not dying in may arms also, or the local minister, or the mayor, or one of my clients who is battling laringeal cancer now and is a friend.

We fold cuz we care about other folks, not just for points, but points tell us if someone has problems with their computer and this is also a tech site. FYI, folding also is a very good way to BURN IN a computer also, as long as basic hardware function testing is also done. Because we and the medical and chemical researchers do not know exactly what causes each form is NOT a reason to give up, because giving up GUARANTEES failure. Instead, doing SOMETHING gives us hope that A WAY can be found that might save thousands of lives over a generation, or more.

Maybe some want a slight power\ego thing alos, but those tend not to stick with it when the bills come in unless they are also committed for other reasons. Many of us HAVE other reasons also, and that is the inner drive we feel uncomfortable talking about. Let's see, Grandma lived at home for 12 months, and her cancer was inoperable and was CNS (Central Nervous System) cancer as well as lung cancer.

Dad died over 2.5 years, tumours grew near spinal column and in lower jaw, and when one was BURNED out chemically and with radiation, another formed higher up closer to his brain-- then another, and that one doctors at a hospital specializing in cancer treatment (there is none here) tried to kill with chemicals injected into the tumour area as no ohter treatment could be found that would not kill him instantly. The arterial tube they used (starting at his femoral artery and going up to his jaw) knocked loose a few calcified arterial buildups, and he had a stroke on the operating table. Voice gone, partly paralized, he managed to get home via air, and after getting home he was down in the dumps and finally refused all treatment. Dad was an attorney, very persuasive, and suddenly his best professional and personal persuasive tool was GONE totally (he could scream, but the stroke had taken out his verbla processing areas in his brain). Took 5 months AFTER the stroke for him to die and I was up at all hours and my mother also for that time frame and we averaged 4-5 hours a night sleep for that time frame. Dad had hallucinations for 4 of the last 5 months. That is my personal answer, and it is given to try to help others to see why folding and cancer research in general is so important.

I am not angry, just all fired up to say FOLD ON!!! :|

John-- who will hope until the end of his life here on earth, and sees some strides being made in less dangerous ways of IDing cancer early and more pinpointed and less KILLING ways of stopping it.

[bothered]

primesuspect said



Boy, I'm confused now.... :scratch:


bothered goes into edit mode and is glad his user name isn't interesting.;D

[muddocktor]

seversphere said
I love catching shoepick on light tackle!

[Thread Hijack]You are right about that! I worked a day check job off of the Baton Rouge side of the Atchafalaya levee back in the 80's that hadn't been fished in 20 years and you could catch all the shoepick and bass and anything else on plastic worms you wanted. I would come out of that location just about every day with an ice chest full of shoepick, bass, goggleye and bream. Hell, one day a Company Rep even caught a 3 foot alligator with a plastic worm!:eek3: [/Thread Hijack]

You may now return to your regularly scheduled thread.:D

[Geeky1]

One more thread Hijack:

csimon, WTF is that fish? It's driving me nuts because I've kept aquariums for years, and I know I've seen it somewhere before, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. I want to say it's some kind of a snakehead, but I don't think the fins aren't quite right for it to be a Channa sp.

//End Hijack

[seversphere]

the name of the fish is in the picture "choupique"
the folding choupique!

[BDR]

If you don't like the thread, don't read it.
How easy is that?

Dosman, why don't you turn off SETI for awhile and try Folding and see what it's all about? I promise you it's a lot more exciting.


:)

[EQuito]

Thrax said
Agreed. Despite the statements of some along the lines of "We do it to help the community. Competition is just a bonus..."

It sure seems like some of these "OMFG WHERE SI TEH xxxx MEMBER OF SI FOLDINZG?!!?!?!?!11@#$@#$" threads are poorly-guised topics whining about the loss of a member beyond their control.

Particuarly in reference to BDR. Every time I turn around, she's giving a few points to another team as she is allowed to do, and people flip out.

For something all being in the spirit of the project, sure seems point-greedy around here.

Some of you may think that the threads are "Checking up" and "Caring." I really don't see anything but "OMFG. YOU CAN'T GIVE POINTS TO ANOTHER TEAM." threads.

:shakehead
I never thought I'd say this but I must agree with you.
Pretty much the same thing was going on at ICF and I got fed up of it so I quitted the team. I always said I didn't care about the points and that I was doing it for humanity so I started folding on my own. Since then, I have contributed more to the project than some of the so called "competitive" members around here. I wish they'd put their money where their mouth is and stop being so hypocrite...

Note to team leaders: if you don't mind, I'd like to see my name on the USA map.
After all, one of my rigs never stopped folding for #93... :nudge:

[muddocktor]

Geeky1 said
One more thread Hijack:

csimon, WTF is that fish? It's driving me nuts because I've kept aquariums for years, and I know I've seen it somewhere before, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. I want to say it's some kind of a snakehead, but I don't think the fins aren't quite right for it to be a Channa sp.

//End Hijack


seversphere said
the name of the fish is in the picture "choupique"
the folding choupique!


Geeky, you also might have heard of this fish as a Grennel, which it is called in other areas of the country. It is related to the garfish, I believe.

[mmonnin]

EQ: PM TD and t1 with your zip code so they can add it.

[Mt_Goat]

Leonardo said
Enough talk, let's :fold: :fold: :fold:

Crud! And I was just starting to get cranked up for making fun of spectator sports!

That sounds like me!

When I go to the store or the bank or something and someone asks about some game somewhere I just look 'em hard in the eye and say; "Spectator sports are for weenies who don't have a life, so since I have one I don't care about it!" They usually don't even bother to try for an excuse. My wife says I'm a sprtsman not a sports fan. :tongue:

[WuGgaRoO]

if there was no competition...iw ouldnt have 4 comps in my dorm room....enough said

[Geeky1]

csimon;

yeah, I'm actually not familiar with either name, so I googled it. It's also known as a bowfin, which I've seen before. They're interesting fish...

Anyhow, about the competition... I think it's important in that it keeps it interesting, but it's not a real important part of why I do it. I fold because it's for a good cause. I'd actually rather run SETI, because space has always interested me, but I think it's more important to cure cancer than it is to find aliens, so I run F@H instead.

[Camman]

I'm so tired of people bashing on F@H members because they seem to think we SHOULDNT be proud of our competition. If some of us do have so many computers BECAUSE of competition, then what's the problem? I like the competition for one, and I'm glad to be helping out the project. I'll be the first to admit, if it wasn't for the points/stats program, I wouldn't go out and actively try to add more machines to my arsenal, its fun for me. Is there something wrong with that? I like the competition, I get more machines for the project which gives me more points and stanford more folding results, everybody's happy. Why complain?

[Enverex]

The bashing isn't from being proud, its from the fact that it seems to have become way too much of an obsession to be healthy.

NS

[Geeky1]

Ns, I'm pretty sure that most/all of the people on this site (myself included) have an unhealthy obsession with technology in general anyhow, so another unhealthy obsession isn't gonna hurt anything.... ;D

[BDR]

Unhealthy obsession or healthy enthusiasm.

I guess it depends on how you look at it.

I prefer to view it as enthusiasm.

:fold: :)

[MrBill]

While I enjoy the points/competition part of it to a degree, the real reason I fold can be found here (http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4674).

Let's not lose sight of why the F@H program exists. :)





I agree that some times, some people get carried away with the points, but I guess that's part of the competition. I don't care what team anybody folds for when it gets right down to it. That's not the important part.

[BuiesCreek847]

We could be collecting stamps. :rolleyes:

[a2jfreak]

Hey Buies. You guys have been doing pretty well lately! We wanted to catch Ars (and still do) so we can eat some egg rolls, but you guys are giving us a fight too.

:fold: on!