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Winga
4 Dec 2006, 6:51pm
Industry critics are wondering if Microsoft will ever build another Vista (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36155).

According to Business Week (http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8LNO9B00.htm?chan=search) and the Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003460386_btview04.html), it took more than five years and 10 000 people to make vista. With the average salary at Microsoft at around $200,000 that's $10bn shelled out for salaries alone. It's just had its debut and already experts are predicting Vista may be the last of its kind.

"Suddenly, the market changed and competitors started delivering technology at the speed of the Internet," said James McQuivey, professor of market research at Boston University. "In some cases, they do it for free, and that's painful for Microsoft."

Vista was made the old-fashioned way. A single packaged product put on a disk, so users can buy it in a store and load it onto their computers. By contrast, rivals like Google are creating spreadsheets and browsers that you simply download from a computer server. It delivers what you need, when and as you need it. If Google continues with more offerings of free, ad-supported software over the Internet, Microsoft won't be in a position to charge a premium for its operating systems anymore.

Since Vista first hit the drawing board, the development of software has changed a lot. Linux has made a huge splash on the market and has changed the way that projects are managed.
Vista has shown there is only so much an Operating System can do without it getting unmanageable. In the meantime the Open Source community have been adding extra packages onto Linux so that users can choose what they want the application to do. This flexibility makes it incredibly useful in a business framework.

Microsoft has been so focused on its monopoly, it has missed the fact that punters want to see the software and don't care much for the technology it sits on.
Yet Microsoft is still expected to hang on to it's monopoly, despite coming out with a product a couple of years late, because it has no direct parallel competitor.

It seems less likely that Microsoft will want to blow billions and another five years on an operating system again. If it has any sense, it will be looking at ways to connect consumers to services, while unlocking a computer's full potential for the likes of applications like gaming.

Thrax
4 Dec 2006, 7:07pm
If this is our new news style, I seriously approve.

Gravite2090
5 Dec 2006, 9:07am
Am I crazy for thinking:

- Microsoft is not evil
- Vista/DX10 have potential
- They are well aware of market shifts, and are investing heavily in to services (live)
- Microsoft is no longer a monopoly

?

RWB
5 Dec 2006, 11:24am
- Microsoft is not pure evil
- Vista/DX10 has some potential
- They are well aware of market shifts, and are investing heavily in to services (live)
- Microsoft is and always will be a monopoly

profdlp
5 Dec 2006, 3:49pm
...Microsoft is and always will be a monopoly
Monopoly (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/monopoly) - it's not just a board game or a computer company. :wave:

Oriane
5 Dec 2006, 7:36pm
Vista was made the old-fashioned way. A single packaged product put on a disk, so users can buy it in a store and load it onto their computers. By contrast, rivals like Google are creating spreadsheets and browsers that you simply download from a computer server. It delivers what you need, when and as you need it. If Google continues with more offerings of free, ad-supported software over the Internet, Microsoft won't be in a position to charge a premium for its operating systems anymore.


I get the point of what you are saying, but this statement left me a little confused- isn't Google offering here applications and not an OS?

However, this article really got me thinking hard.

First I wondered if Bill Gates was figured into the average salary.

What would the economy be like with only open-source freeware available? Would we have to rethink our current understanding of "economy"?

Being between the availability of the internet + free software and a growing interest in generalized Healthcare (two huge industries), and the fact that everyone must still work at something and eat, I'm beginning to think that a major economic restructuring is going to have to follow.

Last weekend I had an opportunity to play with OEM Vista. Honestly, it seemed like a bald-faced attempt to obsolete everyones software and lots of hardware too. It was like everything I tried to install required special attention by either setting admin controls or compatibility modes and it gets way worse with games (I didn't have time to get ANY to work)- stuff that John Q Public will have to either 1. storm tech support for help with or 2. buy the Vista equivalent. Am I dreaming this, doing something wrong, or is it really that bad?

But I guess I also have some serious misgivings about a hearsay, faceless, trackless, and donation-based structure. It leaves things too wide open for rewarding the wrong person/community for an agenda-based product that has too many uncertainties and no accountability. There are just too many good people who don't know any better.

Well, this one's a puzzle for another degree, but there is something about both that seriously bothers me.

Sigh. Sorry I've rambled on- I hope I'm ok doing that here. I guess until they figure it out, I'm seriously thinking about going into Multi-Boot.

TheLostSwede
6 Dec 2006, 5:17pm
The computer industry is by no means, ready for a total change to freeware/cheapware without proper support (say what you will, but MS do have a great support on their products). We are only into the 2:nd, close to third generation that uses computers and out of these, only .1% knows how to install an operating system. Not being a fanboy and i have actually tried a couple of what is supposed to be easy-understanding Linux builds, MS OS have so far at least, been the easiest to use and maintain. And i consider myself as a semi-knowledgeable guy when it comes to computers in general. I can only imagine what would happen if the industry changed to freeware/cheapware.

clear_darkness
7 Dec 2006, 10:05pm
If the industry moves further towards 'not completely simple' freeware then it's quite likely that people will just get used to it and learn to use it. I mean come on, you can't beat the price. I'm not the only person hoping open source catches on. I'm not really sure what that will do to all the other industries but I don't worry about it. I'm sure the free market will handle what is thrown at it. Freeware is just becoming more and more common and I don't really complain and worry about what it's going to do to MS. That's their problem, getting the software I need is mine, and if it's coming to me free...all the better.

RWB
8 Dec 2006, 5:02am
"you get what you pay for.." So you can pay a butt load of money on the software being easy to use, or a butt load of money on support. This is where MAC has both Microsoft and Linux beat, in both areas; if you ask me.

I know if I build a computer for a friend or family member who only needs internet and email usage, it's linux... I know just enough to do that in Linux and make it just a couple quick shortcuts. I don't hear from them often about problems on their computers except when the monitor doesn't work or something hardware related like that, sometimes video's won't play but at that point I don't know how to get the codecs to get them to play.

markkleb
13 Dec 2006, 6:51am
If the industry moves further towards 'not completely simple' freeware then it's quite likely that people will just get used to it and learn to use it. I mean come on, you can't beat the price. I'm not the only person hoping open source catches on. I'm not really sure what that will do to all the other industries but I don't worry about it. I'm sure the free market will handle what is thrown at it. Freeware is just becoming more and more common and I don't really complain and worry about what it's going to do to MS. That's their problem, getting the software I need is mine, and if it's coming to me free...all the better.
You havent met anyone from my family have you?:D If you try and switch my grandmothers remote for a newer one she will fight you to the death because she dosent want to learn the new buttons.
I tried to build my mom a new comp (hers was a P1 running win2000 that she took home with her when she retired 6 years ago) You would have thought I was trying to steal her 401K...
Most of comp users (like me)are just barely able to surf the web because of Windows. If you were to take Windows away they would just give up and go back to writing letters by hand.

clear_darkness
14 Dec 2006, 7:24pm
Heh, I'm not saying it will be easy, I was speaking more on a broad audience...if everyone is slowly moved over...there won't be any easy way to fight freeware, it would be illogical.

danball1976
15 Dec 2006, 2:55am
I will install Linux as soon as it becomes as easy to install and set up as Windows is.

Thrax
15 Dec 2006, 3:40am
(Insert Ubuntu proselytizing here)

danball1976
15 Dec 2006, 3:44am
(Insert Ubuntu proselytizing here)

Does that mean this little known Linux OS is as easy to install as Windows?

Thrax
15 Dec 2006, 3:45am
It's very simple to install, but driver configs are a relative nightmare, as is typical for Linux. I was just heading the Ubuntu zealots off at the pass, more than anything.