@#$%ing Weather!!

[Geeky1]

I'm remembering why I hate winter. It's f**king COLD, you know that? It's 47* Fahrenheit outside, and I have to keep my windows open so I can keep my comps. folding without cooking myself alive. So now my hands are numb. and my nose is cold. And my ears are only warm because I'm wearing headphones.

On the up side, the cold means that I can see if I can possibly squeeze 2.6GHz out of my 1800... Now where did I put that dryer duct?

[Black Hawk]

I'll trade ya! 85-95 in the day and like 70-80 at night. Gets really boring. I want snow!!!!!! :rarr:

[primesuspect]

BH you need to come to the SM Lan.. We'll give you all the snow you want!

[Swettacular]

I'll trade you too, 30 in the day and about 15 outside right now with a heavy snow warning

[Geeky1]

Blackhawk, no thanks... that's even worse. That's the kind of weather that keeps me inside when we go to Hawaii... I only come out for food (:D) and to snorkel early in the morning. The rest of the time I sit on my @ss in the room playing video games on the laptop. Too hot to go outside.

I want to move to somewhere where it's 70-75*F every day, and 65-68*F every night, year round. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that there's no place that's like that all year.

[primesuspect]

Aren't parts of Hawaii supposed to be perfect year round?

[Black Hawk]

Well just be like a bird and migrate :crazy:

[Geeky1]

Swettacular, so make use of it... do what I do. Dryer duct... one end pressed up against the window screen, the other end duct taped to the CPU heatsink's fan. Last night, I had my AXP1800+ (JIUHB DLT3C) @ 2.507GHz (218x11.5) and 1.9v, and it was running @ <90*F (BIOS reading) with my SLK-900A and 92mm Tornado... :D

[Geeky1]

Prime, up in the mountains, maybe. I know that when we went up to the volcano on the main island, we got fog and rain and everything going up the mountain, and the outside temp was <60*F near the top... I'll bet that somewhere on the side of that mountain, it's probably about 70*F year round...

[Swettacular]

I would if I could, but I live in a dorm room and that isn't exactly an option. I'm not sure how well my roommate will take a duct going over his bed and out the window

[Templar]

Yay. 80* on christmas day!

[Geeky1]

Solution: Don't tell your roomate. If they complain, claim they're imagining things. Ask if they've taken their medication. If all else fails, blame it on George W. :D

[Swettacular]

sounds like an awesome plan to me

[bothered]

Templar had this to say
Yay. 80* on christmas day!


You can't do that! You can't have 80 degrees at Christmas, Think of the snowmen and Robins man. 80 degrees? it's it's uncivillised. Stop being so warm this instant.

bothered.

[keto]

6" of snow on my front lawn, 15-18" along the sidewalks. This in the past 5-6 days, along with temps as low as -18C at night, daytime highs -5 to -8, around 20f ish

I keep my office window open cause I smoke, the door behind me kept closed cause of kids. My feet freeze lol ambient head height is about 16C, ambient ankle level is about 4C lol Gotta figger out a better system.

It's good overclockin weather tho, last year I set up a cardboard intake from the open window to the open side of one of my systems when it was -30C, the cpu temp was reading 6C at wicked speed. Never a sign of condensation either. I'll do it again this year when it gets REALLY cold and post pics.

[Geeky1]

Keto, there shouldn't be any condensation problems if you start with a heatsink that is at least ambient temperature, and you let it warm up before you shut the computer off. You get condensation when humid air contacts a surface with a temperature below the dew point, which is almost always going to be lower than the ambient air temperature.

[MediaMan]

I laugh and I laugh and I laugh.





And I laugh some more. I remember Edmonchuk...guaranteed that the weather would take a dive just before Halloween.

[Geeky1]

Hey Keto, I just thought of something... have you thought about building yourself an ionic air filter? Not something like that stupid POS Sharper Image thing which doesn't even work, but a real ionic air filter?

Something that has a particulate filter, a charcoal (carbon) filter, and the ionic filter, along with a fan or two to move the air through it? If you were to do that, you could probably get away w/o leaving the windows open...

[Camman]

hey I have an Ionic Breeze G.P., it works pretty damn good thank you very much

[keto]

Heh. Here are the electronics in this room, and their (roughly) hours of operation

AMD system
P4 system - the 2 are hooked thru KVM to one monitor, which is off at nght, otherwise the systems are 24/7. I don't bother turning off the 5.1 speakers.
IBM Laptop (P4 1.8) roughly 8am 5pm
HP Deskjet 350 for above


Plugged in always but draining no or minimal power except when in use:
D-Link 614+ router
cable modem
Telus (Nortel?) 480 business phone
Canon Multipass C3000 all-in-one
GBC Shredmaster CrossCut 75X shredder
Duracell battery recharger
cell phone charger

Plugged in the radiant space heater the other day, and the breaker blew - what a shock not. Without running ugly ass extension cords down the halls, I'm maxed. There's already 2 loaded outlet bars, I don't have the power for an air filter. heh. The laptop and Deskjet are for my work and are on a proprietary network, no getting around using them. Canon too, for faxes/copying. I gave my guitar amp to my son, but I used to be able to dim the lights by playing a power chord at loud volume :)

I know some of you have more electronics than that in a room, I've seen the pics. It's just what this house's circuitry (circa 1975) will handle as currently configured.

Edmonton hasn't been that bad in recent years, we've had no snow on the ground at Christmas probably 3 out of 5 years and it's now considered unusual to be this cold this early. -30C in the dead of winter is even unusual. Ugh, all this talkin about it makes me wanna move in with my dad in Chilliwack lol.

[Enverex]

Er, I think in 80 degrees you would be a bit dead. Remember people, there is no such thing as Degrees Farienhight.

Freezing in my attic though, time for a heater....

NS

[TheSmJ]

Geeky1 had this to say
Hey Keto, I just thought of something... have you thought about building yourself an ionic air filter? Not something like that stupid POS Sharper Image thing which doesn't even work, but a real ionic air filter?

Something that has a particulate filter, a charcoal (carbon) filter, and the ionic filter, along with a fan or two to move the air through it? If you were to do that, you could probably get away w/o leaving the windows open...

I know people with the Sharper Image Ionic Breeze, and they love it.

I also dont think they use much power at all, keto. Ionizing air shouldnt take that much wattage.

Something to look up in the manual for the thing, I guess.

[SimGuy]

6*C this morning with a little rain drizzle. It hasn't been bad at night either, running between 9*C and -5*C through this week in T.O. Usually we get our first skiff of snow on Halloween night, but this year it was almost 15*C that night, which is damned irregular.

Keto, I'd gladly trade you for colder temperatures and more snow :)

[Thrax]

I enjoy weather lower than 30*F, preferrably in the negatives.

[Enverex]

Thats 30F. 30*F is 30 Degrees farienheit (sp). Which doesn't exist....

NS

[Thrax]

What in the hell are you talking about? 32°F most certainly DOES exist.

[Kwitko]

He's being a cheeky Brit, Thrax. Imperial measurements don't exist in NS's world, just metric. ;)

Speaking of the weather, it was 78* in NYC yesterday. I couldn't believe I was walking around in shorts and a t-shirt in November!

[Geeky1]

Thrax, he's just being contrary... insisting on doing everything in bass-ackwards (in other words, the way the British do everything...) :D

Camman/SMJ... That's interesting. I picked up a copy of consumer reports a while ago when I was looking at buying one. What they found is that it does basically nothing. Having seen them in action myself, I can say that they probably work well to de-odorize rooms, but that I doubt they move enough air to do a meaningful job of air filtration, which is basically what consumer reports said.

[Enverex]

Or I could just be right.

You have Degrees Centigrade
and you have Farienheit

There is no such thing as Degrees Farienheit.

NS

[shwaip]

I'm not sure what's right, but dictionary.com lists this as def #6 for degree (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=degree)

A unit division of a temperature scale.

nasa.gov lists this as well:

The most commonly used temperature scale in the US today is the Farenheit scale, abbreviated F. In this scale, water freezes at 32 degrees and boils at 212 degrees. (This only holds strictly when atmospheric pressure equals the average sea level pressure. At high altitudes, water boils at a lower temperature, as anyone who cooks in the mountains knows.)
here (http://cryowwwebber.gsfc.nasa.gov/introduction/temp_scales.html)

[Geeky1]

NS, are you sure you're not talking about Kelvin? I think it's Kelvin that you don't use degrees in, although I may be wrong... It's been almost a year since I took chemistry...

[shwaip]

Geeky1 had this to say
NS, are you sure you're not talking about Kelvin? I think it's Kelvin that you don't use degrees in, although I may be wrong... It's been almost a year since I took chemistry...


Yeah, you don't say degrees kelvin, and I believe you don't say degrees Rankine either.

[Enverex]

Afaik it is a common mistake. But who to ask? The thing is that as it is such a common mistake, lots of places say 'F, so the question is, who to ask?

NS

[shwaip]

Where did you learn that it's just Farenheit, not degrees?

[Templar]

People read it as 30 degrees (of) Farenheit. The of is understood, and not spoken, which is why people _say_ 30 degrees Farenheit. Same for Centigrade and Kelvin. When you say degrees Farenheit, you are referring to degrees of the Farenheit scale. Instead of saying that, people shorten it to the absolute necessary parts to get the point across.

You wonder why no one takes the time to learn english.. It's too farking complex. :D

[SimGuy]

http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/staff/blynds/tmp.html

It was in 1724 that Gabriel Fahrenheit, an instrument maker of Däanzig and Amsterdam, used mercury as the thermometric liquid. Mercury's thermal expansion is large and fairly uniform, it does not adhere to the glass, and it remains a liquid over a wide range of temperatures. Its silvery appearance makes it easy to read.

Fahrenheit described how he calibrated the scale of his mercury thermometer:

"placing the thermometer in a mixture of sal ammoniac or sea salt, ice, and water a point on the scale will be found which is denoted as zero. A second point is obtained if the same mixture is used without salt. Denote this position as 30. A third point, designated as 96, is obtained if the thermometer is placed in the mouth so as to acquire the heat of a healthy man." (D. G. Fahrenheit,Phil. Trans. (London) 33, 78, 1724)

On this scale, Fahrenheit measured the boiling point of water to be 212. Later he adjusted the freezing point of water to 32 so that the interval between the boiling and freezing points of water could be represented by the more rational number 180. Temperatures measured on this scale are designated as degrees Fahrenheit (° F).

In 1745, Carolus Linnaeus of Upsula, Sweden, described a scale in which the freezing point of water was zero, and the boiling point 100, making it a centigrade (one hundred steps) scale. Anders Celsius (1701-1744) used the reverse scale in which 100 represented the freezing point and zero the boiling point of water, still, of course, with 100 degrees between the two defining points.

In 1948 use of the Centigrade scale was dropped in favor of a new scale using degrees Celsius (° C). The Celsius scale is defined by the following two items that will be discussed later in this essay:

(i) The triple point of water is defined to be 0.01° C.
(ii) A degree Celsius equals the same temperature change as a degree on the ideal-gas scale.

On the Celsius scale the boiling point of water at standard atmospheric pressure is 99.975 C in contrast to the 100 degrees defined by the Centigrade scale.

To convert from Celsius to Fahrenheit: multiply by 1.8 and add 32.

In 1780, J. A. C. Charles, a French physician, showed that for the same increase in temperature, all gases exhibited the same increase in volume. Because the expansion coefficient of gases is so very nearly the same, it is possible to establish a temperature scale based on a single fixed point rather than the two fixed- point scales, such as the Fahrenheit and Celsius scales. This brings us back to a thermometer that uses a gas as the thermometric medium.

In a constant volume gas thermometer a large bulb B of gas, hydrogen for example, under a set pressure connects with a mercury-filled "manometer" by means of a tube of very small volume. (The Bulb B is the temperature-sensing portion and should contain almost all of the hydrogen). The level of mercury at C may be adjusted by raising or lowering the mercury reservoir R. The pressure of the hydrogen gas, which is the "x" variable in the linear relation with temperature, is the difference between the levels D and C plus the pressure above D.

P. Chappuis in 1887 conducted extensive studies of gas thermometers with constant pressure or with constant volume using hydrogen, nitrogen, and carbon dioxide as the thermometric medium. Based on his results, the Comité International des Poids et Mesures adopted the constant-volume hydrogen scale based on fixed points at the ice point (0° C) and the steam point (100° C) as the practical scale for international meteorology.

Experiments with gas thermometers have shown that there is very little difference in the temperature scale for different gases. Thus, it is possible to set up a temperature scale that is independent of the thermometric medium if it is a gas at low pressure. In this case, all gases behave like an "Ideal Gas" and have a very simple relation between their pressure, volume, and temperature:

pV= (constant)T.

This temperature is called the thermodynamic temperature and is now accepted as the fundamental measure of temperature. Note that there is a naturally-defined zero on this scale - it is the point at which the pressure of an ideal gas is zero, making the temperature also zero. We will continue a discussion of "absolute zero" in a later section. With this as one point on the scale, only one other fixed point need be defined. In 1933, the International Committee of Weights and Measures adopted this fixed point as the triple point of water , the temperature at which water, ice, and water vapor coexist in equilibrium); its value is set as 273.16. The unit of temperature on this scale is called the Kelvin, after Lord Kelvin (William Thompson), 1824-1907, and its symbol is K (no degree symbol used).

To convert from Celsius to Kelvin, add 273.

K = ° C + 273.

Thermodynamic temperature is the fundamental temperature; its unit is the kelvin which is defined as the fraction 1/273.16 of the thermodynamic temperature of the triple point of water.


So, to recap.

There IS degrees Fahrenheit
There IS degrees Celsius (NOT Centigrade, slightly different scale)
There IS NOT degrees Kelvin, only "Kelvin"

[Thrax]

Thanks Sim.

Thank you NS, I am well aware of my capabilities with the English language and the use thereof to mark a place upon a temperature scale with which I am readily familiar. :rolleyes2