Team name straw poll

[Lincoln]

I'd like to take a straw poll here and see what people think. :)

I've made this a public poll, meaning everyone can see who voted for what. I did this to make it transparent and so we can see who hasn't chimed in. I'll leave it open at least until the LAN starts (one week).

I didn't create this with the intention of the results being binding, but I think it would help everyone to get a clearer picture of what people think. :)

I made the third option vague so it wouldn't dilute votes. I imagine it would entail another set of discussions and round of voting, but that's outside my purview.

To clarify two points: Team names do not need to be unique, and we can change our team's name without Stanford's permission. I've researched this and sorted it out with TBonZ, Dr. Pande, Bruce (community forum admin), and Del Lucent of Pandegroup. We can actually login to Stanford with our team info for the first time since (probably) 2002. Thanks to them for their help!

[RADA]

I chose Team S-M because I feel we need to at least pay a little homage to S-M. Prime, MM, Shorty, Keebs, Kwitco (still sounds like a place to get a Slurpee :bigggrin:), Prof, and anyone else I might have missed, did an amazing job keeping S-M a quality place to hang out on the web. If is wasn't for their hard work and tenacity under the S-M banner, the new Icrontic could have not risen from the ashes.

[edcentric]

Whichever name we use perhaps the #93 needs to be in front of it.

[lemonlime]

To me, it matters very little. Team Icrontic is less confusing to any new members, but Team SM has that warm familiar fuzzy feeling :) Either way, its all good :)

[muddocktor]

How about "Team 93"

That pays homage to both the original Icrontic forums and also Short Media too, which Team 93 moved to after the hack job.

[Lincoln]

How about "Team 93"
That could be a contender if people want to go with the third option :)

[Kwitko]

I kinda like Team 93. Good suggestion, mudd!

[dragonV8]

I concur with mudd also. Excellent "neutral" Team name.:thumbsup:

[Lincoln]

To me, the core function of the team name is to tell people where to find us and promote the site to people looking at the stats. We're already "Team 93" regardless, so why be redundant?

[SPIKE09]

Please not team 93!! it will just leave the door wide open for Nomad to ask the dumbass question "whats the team number dudes"

[primesuspect]

Team 93 is not a good name, that's my personal opinion.

[Gargoyle]

I'm okay with Icrontic or Short-Media, but I think something like "Icrontic - Reborn," would be cool. People can still fold for the other Icrontic team (#33693) if they so desire, and a name like that would help differentiate the two.

[Kwitko]

Team Penismightier. That's Pen is Mightier, you gutter dwelling sickos.

[QCH]

Team #93 or Team Icrontic. Either is fine. Realize... I love Short-Media and will never forget the name. And it is just a name. Everyone here is the same, just the URL is different. I see SM & IC as one entity.


Naming it Team Icrontic is fine since it's less confusing for new members.
Team #93 is doubly redundant... But it's safe and unchanging....

[edcentric]

I was trying to figure out if I-SM-I spelled anything, since that has been the historical progression.
Just nothing cute. No 'new' or 're-anything'.

I haven't looked at the stats. Where would our production be if we were all one team? Would we be able to catch anyone?

[SPIKE09]

I was trying to figure out if I-SM-I spelled anything, since that has been the historical progression.
Just nothing cute. No 'new' or 're-anything'.

I haven't looked at the stats. Where would our production be if we were all one team? Would we be able to catch anyone? Icrontic are on less than 700PPD at the moment so I doubt it :sad2:

[Zuntar]

I was trying to figure out if I-SM-I spelled anything, since that has been the historical progression.
Just nothing cute. No 'new' or 're-anything'.

I haven't looked at the stats. Where would our production be if we were all one team? Would we be able to catch anyone?

Yea, the team died with the site... for the most part.:o

How about "The New Icrontic"? or something about "new"

[a2jfreak]

Team Nine Three

Team Determination

Team Overachievers

Team Adversity Overcome

Team Shorontic . . . OK, maybe not that one.

[AuthorityAction]

I vote for Team Icrontic, I think it's a good idea to keep everything consistent.

[dragonV8]

I see SM & IC as one entity.

There is another name right here.........TEAM SMIC.;D
just kidding.:)

[Leonardo]

All the same to me:

Team Icrontic: it's a rich history, our origins, and our first Folding team (#93)
Team Short-Media: our biggest growth

What is most important to me is what the rank and file team members want. They are the folks that make the site and the team.

[witenoiz]

I joined Short-Media and had no idea what or where Icrontic was until facts about it's demise and now the resurrection. Yes - a major effort for Mr General and Prime, MM, Shorty, Kwitco and all the rest for keeping the original going and all the effort rebuilding. :respect: I kind of like Short-Media Reloaded: Icrontic :cool: Well - That's too long but. Hay :D I like it. Jack

[SPIKE09]

It's all good got My vote, whatever you guys decide is good enough for me I am just a tourista here.

[profdlp]

To me, the core function of the team name is to tell people where to find us and promote the site to people looking at the stats.
So, it's nothing more than an advertising gimmick?

We're already "Team 93" regardless, so why be redundant?
There already is a team name using "Icrontic" in the title, so why be redundant?

[Lincoln]

There already is a team name using "Icrontic" in the title, so why be redundant?I see what you did there, but it didn't make sense. The reasons for not changing team numbers are self-evident. 33693's name is pretty much irrelevant to this discussion. :)
So, it's nothing more than an advertising gimmick?
What team isn't promoting something? You don't form a team just to promote Folding@Home - you're not required to enter a team number. You form a team because you're a subset of people running Folding@Home that have something in common. What we have in common is this website and the community here. Why else have a team? :)

[Winga]

So, it's nothing more than an advertising gimmick?



What team isn't promoting something? You don't form a team just to promote Folding@Home - you're not required to enter a team number. You form a team because you're a subset of people running Folding@Home that have something in common. What we have in common is this website and the community here. Why else have a team? :)

These are both strong arguments.
The Folding@home T- shirts that were made have a huge 93 splashed in red on the back and not a whisper of the name Short-Media. The shirts were proposed at a time when folding fever was at a high and SMX rigs were going out faster that you could count em.
In my short tenure here, that for me was the time Short -Media folders were the tightest. T-shirts are great advertising mediums yet the site itself was never advertised. It was about folding and that's how it should remain. The site can come and go and there will still be people who will continue to fold.

I wear my T-shirt with pride and believe me its not for the number it represents but the team. That's why I say for me both points are valid. I'm proud of the Team the 93 represents. We get to know who that team is through the forums. So to that extent the name is relevant. It instills a sense of pride of belonging of camaraderie and importance.

I'm torn between the two camps and have not been able to cast my vote.

(BTW welcome back Prof :) I missed your unique take on things)

[Thrax]

The team is on this website. The members are from this website. The team is hosted on this website. The team should use this site's name.

[airbornflght]

The team is on this website. The members are from this website. The team is hosted on this website. The team should use this site's name.

agreed.

[Kentigern]

The team is on this website. The members are from this website. The team is hosted on this website. The team should use this site's name.

As I understand it only the team name will change, not the team number (93).

Therefore it makes sense to change the name from Team Short-Media to Team Icrontic (if available).

My two pennies worth :)

[profdlp]

The name change is a foregone conclusion, so no one who supports the idea need worry.

[checkmate]

I chose Team S-M because I feel we need to at least pay a little homage to S-M. Prime, MM, Shorty, Keebs, Kwitco (still sounds like a place to get a Slurpee :bigggrin:), Prof, and anyone else I might have missed, did an amazing job keeping S-M a quality place to hang out on the web. If is wasn't for their hard work and tenacity under the S-M banner, the new Icrontic could have not risen from the ashes.

Well said! Here here!:cheers3:

[profdlp]

The team is on this website. The members are from this website. The team is hosted on this website. The team should use this site's name.
It would add more weight to your statement if you were actually an active member of the team and had managed to turn in a WU or two since January of 2006. Talk is cheap. ;)

[primesuspect]

Okay, here's the same statement from someone with a lot of weight behind him (in more ways than one ;) ):

"The team is on this website. The members are from this website. The team is hosted on this website. The team should use this site's name."

I agree with this 100%.

[Sledgehammer70]

Team Icrontic - I just like the idea of the site name being the team name... it just makes sense...

[profdlp]

Team Icrontic - I just like the idea of the site name being the team name... it just makes sense...

As I said before, that is a foregone conclusion.

I think it would be nice to keep at least some ties to the Short-Media days, but am under no illusions that it will happen. :(

[QCH]

There is always the SMx rigs... We can address keeping the SMx project so named, naming a rig after Short-Media, or a Milestone named after the "name Short-Media". ;)

[Gargoyle]

There is always the SMx rigs... We can address keeping the SMx project so named, naming a rig after Short-Media, or a Milestone named after the "name Short-Media". ;)

I think that even if new rigs go back to the ICx naming scheme, the existing SMx rigs will always serve as reminders of our rich history.

Just as I remained proud to host Icrontic_11 after our site became Short-Media, our SMx hosts are surely proud to be representing four of the best years of our history. :thumbsup:

[profdlp]

Both of the last two posts have made some positive suggestions, and are much appreciated. :fold:

[CB]

Indeed... It would certainly make me feel better about the name change if the SMx project name stayed the same.

[Sledgehammer70]

I agree 100% all SMx rig should keep there current SMx##'s and not be changed just like the past IC rigs kept there names.

I also like the SM reward or milestone.. what number who knows maybe 93,000? lol

Also the SMx project should stay that... The SMx Project

[Qeldroma]

II also like the SM reward or milestone.. what number who knows maybe 93,000? lol
[/B]

I kind of like the idea. I do have a couple of thoughts: We have yet to have a 10,000,000 award winner ... maybe a commemorative SM award for that achievement ... :) ... but that may occur under a different name. Perhaps 5,000,000 would be appropriate?

I joined SM- so maybe my vote is more sentimental value right now than anything. (thanks for letting me muse)

And, Prof- it's VERY good to see you around and you've been missed- hope you're OK.

[checkmate]

This all sounds fine and dandy but try to actually do something about this.

[Qeldroma]

This all sounds fine and dandy but try to actually do something about this.

Yet if nothing is said, then nothing is done at all. And I have that feeling about this ...

[Thrax]

It would add more weight to your statement if you were actually an active member of the team and had managed to turn in a WU or two since January of 2006. Talk is cheap. ;)

Red herring.

[profdlp]

No, valid point.

Why should non-members give a flip what the name is?

You're not the only person who isn't involved with Team 93 to have voted in favor of the name change. That ought to be taken into account.

(But won't be, so don't worry. After the name change you can go back to not giving a hoot about the whole FAH project.)

[QCH]

I would like the idea of a major milestone being named after Short-Media. I'm thinking 4 million - 1 million for each year of Short-Media. :thumbsup:

At the LAN, any team members are more than welcome to strike up a discussion about the naming. I think the LAN will be the deciding time. Some sort of official vote probably after the LAN and the name change soon after that.

Realize everyone... the people that are team staff are often also site staff. We've been busy with the transition, staff additions/ subtractions, the LAN, and normal life stuff. I, for example, am running the Games at the LAN, taking on the milestones area, and just finish a grad class yesterday. I've been up to my eyeballs with things and trying to grab all the strings attached to a name change has been difficult. Please have patients and the Team Staff will get things done. Cool? :D

[pseudonym]

The team is on this website. The members are from this website. The team is hosted on this website. The team should use this site's name.

I agree with the bucket.

[Leonardo]

finish a grad class yesterday Congratulations, Q! I know you worked hard for that.
Please have patientsSorry, that would be practicing without a license.

[QCH]

Congratulations, Q! I know you worked hard for that.Thanks Leo... Still have 4 classes until I'm done with my degree but it's less than 10 months away... not that I'm counting. :D

[profdlp]

...Some sort of official vote probably after the LAN and the name change soon after that...
That reminds me of the old joke "we'll give him a fair trial and then we'll hang him".

"Foregone conclusion", get it?

[CB]

Indeed.

[Sledgehammer70]

Profdlp.. why don't you tell us how you really feel? instead of beating the bush... no matter what I will still love you :)

[Gargoyle]

That reminds me of the old joke "we'll give him a fair trial and then we'll hang him".

The fairness of democracy is a matter of perspective ;)

[CB]

I think Prof is being pretty clear :p

[Lincoln]

"Foregone conclusion", get it?
You moved directly from accusing me of using the team as a "gimmick" to less-than-subtly insinuating (repeatedly, at every opportunity) that I had decided to change the team's name before posting the poll.

I hadn't. I hypothesized that most people favored the name matching the site or wouldn't care. The committee ceased discussing it for (literally) a week and a half before I decided to investigate, regain our power to change it at all, and then post this to figure out what most people on the team wanted.

Turns out I was more correct than I thought I would be. I expected the results to be closer, frankly.

I made the poll public to be transparent about the tallies. I grouped all the "new name" options together so it wouldn't dilute the vote. I added equally positive comments after each, and I waited until several posts into the thread to state my own opinion. If you feel some votes should be disqualified, go ahead and list them - here or privately. I'll be surprised if it substantively changes the results thus far.

What sense would it make for me to post a poll if I already decided? I'm sure it'd make me look great to start a poll in which 80% decided to pick a new name and then I went and changed it to what I wanted anyway. Heck, I even called it a "straw poll" so as to not publicly back the committee into a corner. Of course I'm going to exert some pressure to get this diplomatically resolved the way I'd like it to. That doesn't mean I'm going to be a jerk about it.

Lastly, what sense does it make for you to keep saying that? Is there a goal to trash-talking me in public? I can't figure out what that would be, aside from trying to make me look bad.

Your scoffing at me has pretty well crossed the line from being reasonable (I understand not liking the site's name changing) to being offensive at this point. Brian and I have both attempted to work around whatever obstacles exist to getting you to the LAN (and continue to - I want you up here for it, honestly), where I'm sure they'll be talking about it, and we've been ignored. I don't know what else you expect from me.

[jared]

I agree with Thrax and the others.

As a member of the original team 93, it seems logical for the team to keep the same identity as the community/website.

Originally 93 was IC, then the community transformed into Short-Media... the team followed.

Now that we are Icrontic again, it seems only right that the folding team returns to its roots as well.

I talked to Keebs about the the conundrum regarding team name long before this poll was posted (when the new site was still in development) and he told me back then that no decisions had been made and that we would have to ask the folding community. So I'm not sure why you are on such a high horse throwing around accusations. :wtf:

[IndigoRed]

I voted for SM, just a nostalgia thing. But I' m proud of you all, mi amigos, and the banner won't change that. In the long run we're here to find a cure.

Focus.

[profdlp]

I voted for SM, just a nostalgia thing. But I' m proud of you all, mi amigos, and the banner won't change that. In the long run we're here to find a cure.

Focus.
Well said - thank you. :fold:

Matt, I don't know why you are taking this so personally. You are only one of many who support this idea and I was not intentionally singling you out. If it came to look that way, I apologize. :)

When I use the term "foregone conclusion" it is due to the fact that I viewed the change in the team name as inevitable as soon as the change in the site name was revealed. It has almost nothing to do with any events which have taken place since then.

For me, I always felt like somewhat of an outsider back at the original Icrontic. There was a tight-knit core of friends there and I always felt like the new guy who would never quite fit in. When Short-Media came along I saw my chance to be a part of something new and jumped in wholeheartedly.

Now that Short-Media is gone I find myself feeling like an outsider again. Maybe that doesn't make any sense, but that doesn't change the way I feel.

[a2jfreak]

Don't feel bad. Everyone is just a squirrel trying to get a nut.

While I prefer Team Icrontic, I think that's retarded since there is another team named Icrontic so I think the next best solution is Team 93. Brian think's that sucks so my next favorite name is Team Nine Three. I doubt anyone like's that either. I don't really care much about the name change except I think Team Icrontic is stupid unless the current Icrontic team changes it's name to something else, maybe IC Dead PPL. :D

Now that Short-Media is gone I find myself feeling like an outsider again. Maybe that doesn't make any sense, but that doesn't change the way I feel.

[Lincoln]

Now that Short-Media is gone I find myself feeling like an outsider again. Maybe that doesn't make any sense, but that doesn't change the way I feel.Well no, it doesn't make any sense since you're basically synonymous with the community here. You're deeper in the core community than I am :p When it's late at night and I'm worrying about the site and community, I start thinking of scenarios that would truly screw the site. My number one worst-case scenario involves you deciding to pull up stakes. (It also involves being left naked and smeared with poo in the middle of the street, but that's for another thread... :range: )

[Gargoyle]

(It also involves being left naked and smeared with poo in the middle of the street, but that's for another thread... :range: )

I thought that was on the LAN calendar for Saturday?

[Lincoln]

:bawling:

[Qeldroma]

I'd like to take a straw poll here and see what people think.
….

I didn't create this with the intention of the results being binding, but I think it would help everyone to get a clearer picture of what people think.

…. I imagine it would entail another set of discussions and round of voting, but that's outside my purview.

I don’t think this straw poll is conclusive as many members don’t care what the outcome is and that can be interpreted as not changing anything as well as going ahead and making one. This poll also could include many non-folding, don’t care members- which does kind of bother me.

Since this vote was never meant to be conclusive then, if I may suggest, maybe a formal vote should be considered among active folding team members. Maybe a topic at the LAN should be about who qualifies as such.

Prof- I’ve looked up to you as a leader in this community- more specifically, a technical and Folding@Home leader who wants to see this science advance to someday help someone we give a damn about as much as someone you give a damn about. And I think that is worth giving a damn about and I, at least, hope you can understand that I think you’ve earned your place here- whether we are called Short-Medians or Icrontians.

BTW, Keebs- this thread was a good idea :thumbsup:

[dragonV8]

Originally 93 was IC, then the community transformed into Short-Media... the team followed.

Now that we are Icrontic again, it seems only right that the folding team returns to its roots as well.

What about people that only know Short-Media, like myself, and were never part of Icrontic. Guess we have to follow suit or get left behind.

[fatcat]

What about people that only know Short-Media, like myself, and were never part of Icrontic. Guess we have to follow suit or get left behind.

Did you join because the team because it was named Short-Media or did you join because of the community/support you got?

...well the community is still the same, just a different name. Just because the name changes, doesn't mean what it was is dead.

Short-Media was a community of people, and those people are still here now.

just my $.02 and not meant to attack at all.

[dragonV8]

Did you join because the team because it was named Short-Media or did you join because of the community/support you got?
I joined because of the assistance i got from Sort-Media.:thumbsup:

...well the community is still the same, just a different name. Just because the name changes, doesn't mean what it was is dead.

Short-Media was a community of people, and those people are still here now.
My (our) way of repaying was to F:fold:LD for Shot-Media and join all the other members and Teams aroud the world to hopefully find cures.

I realise it is about the community of people, however we only know Short-Media as such and may not be as exited about a name change as others that came from Icrontic (read: forced) due to no fault of their own.

just my $.02 and not meant to attack at all.

No probs...........did not take offence.:)

[witenoiz]

What about people that only know Short-Media, like myself, and were never part of Icrontic. Guess we have to follow suit or get left behind.

Jon - I don't think we will be left behind, but, I am with you - I never belonged to Icrontic - I joined Short-Media. :cool: I liked the folding sigs - and :) that's why I joined. There is a story there - but I would have to really slam another team to get into it - :( Not worth it. Jack

[dragonV8]

Jon - I don't think we will be left behind, but, I am with you - I never belonged to Icrontic - I joined Short-Media. :cool: I liked the folding sigs - and :) that's why I joined. There is a story there - but I would have to really slam another team to get into it - :( Not worth it. Jack

We have known each other (internet wise) for a long time Jack.

I hear what you are saying (if i may say so).:)

[pseudonym]

I think this is much about nothing guys. When we swapped over to the SM name I can't remember a debate like this going on. If I remember correctly people just kinda shrugged their shoulders and went on with life. Its really no big deal, its just a name, and if that makes many of you upset to change over than I'm sorry but its happened once and we all survived, no big deal.

Bottom line IMHO, is that the team represents the current site that organizes it and currently that is Icrontic. Now this site is organized in the background by some very talented, VERY hardworking people that do nothing but slave over a hot LCD to bring you mmm, mmm, tasty forumness and the like. I know the point of folding is to find the cure and all that jazz but in the end there is also some name recognition involved with this that ultimately promotes this site AND the team. Basically if we change to Icrontic we get a name that people can easily find since it exists and secondly we give some much needed PR to the people that put their blood, sweat, tears, and hard earned money into this site.

The team needs to represent the site that its based out of simply for recruitment and recognition for the people that work on it. This isn't a what was here first issue, its a what is here now issue and right now the site is Icrontic and the team should represent that fact.

[Leonardo]

I think this is much about nothing guys. When we swapped over to the SM name I can't remember a debate like this going on.When we swapped before, the Icrontic name was not available. It had been purchased by someone else. Short-Media became a new site. Short-Media's membership consists of significantly more new members than members that migrated from the original Icrontic (pre-2003). If the majority of members here now were prior 'original' Icrontic members, I would imagine there wouldn't be much discussion now about the name change.

[IndigoRed]

Jeez Louise' purple turkey butt slathered in peanut butter, folks. Who gives a bees penus about the name??? It's the people. This is a site of people. People that have gotten close due to the comeraderie between them. Helping each other. Helping those that need help from us. Drinking and partying with each other if the option is viable, or like me, raising one by myself to my mates I can't be with. I AM a proud Short Median, I AM a proud Icronticon. I am these things because I am proud of the association with the people, not the name. I'd be a proud Professor Dumbledore Toe Licker, if it had this group in it. (I may not scream that name from the rooftops, mind you...:bigggrin:)
So hang up the name crap, and move on.

I'm folding for Team 93. I'm Folding with the mates I've chosen and I'm proud of that fact. GAF about the name...

Bloody hell, have an all out vote, OF THE FOLDING MEMBERS, and have done with it, we don't need this division.

[Helpneed]

Icromedia.

But as long as you don't delete my post, I don't care. Well, maybe legally prime or Mediaman's post, but... . Learning something here is my gusto anyway.:D