Looking for a program

[DogDragon]

I think this be in here it has to do with security, But if not please
move it to where it should be.
I have a friend that her kids are smarter than her
when it comes to the pc.
She wants a free or cheap program like net nanny
( So she know where her little devils go on line)
Also something that they can turn off, I started by setting up
users on her pc and she's now the admin.
But it can't be one that you have to be a programmer to use.
Thanks for your input

[DogDragon]

I meant that they(the devils) can't turn off

[mtrox]

I put Cyber Patrol (http://www.cyberpatrol.com/)on a client's computer once. Seemed to work well, and you could not make changes to it w/o knowing the password. Once the kids get older and consider it a challenge, I'm guessing they'll find a way. This client's kids are young so I didn't really look at how hard it was to get around it.

[jared]

I put Cyber Patrol (http://www.cyberpatrol.com/)on a client's computer once. Seemed to work well, and you could not make changes to it w/o knowing the password. Once the kids get older and consider it a challenge, I'm guessing they'll find a way. This client's kids are young so I didn't really look at how hard it was to get around it.

haha years ago my parents had that installed on our computer.

I just made a boot disk with a bat file that would rename the main .exe
Worked like a charm :P

I'm sure prime or someone with kids might have some good suggestions

[DogDragon]

Well mtrox that's still 40 bucks. But if that what it takes guess
we'll have to do it.
Hopefully the devils won't be like Jared :)
By the way they're 14 and 16
But I'll tell her it's her choices are net nanny or Cyber Patrol.
Jared stay away from her kids they know enough :)
She's old school and pcs are a new thing for her.
Thanks mtrox

[primesuspect]

If they are 14 and 16, there's no way in hell she's gonna out-haxx them, especially if PCs are "new" to her. Unless you have one of us go there and setup an active directory with group policy and lock the routers and switches in a closet behind padlocks, there's just nothing she can do. They can break any software solution she comes up with and unplug cables and go direct to modem or router if she tries a hardware solution. Tell her to have some talks with her kids instead and lay down firm rules on expectations, trust, honor, etc.

[DogDragon]

If they are 14 and 16, there's no way in hell she's gonna out-haxx them, especially if PCs are "new" to her. Unless you have one of us go there and setup an active directory with group policy and lock the routers and switches in a closet behind padlocks, there's just nothing she can do. They can break any software solution she comes up with and unplug cables and go direct to modem or router if she tries a hardware solution. Tell her to have some talks with her kids instead and lay down firm rules on expectations, trust, honor, etc.

Thanks lol
But they are boys and well good kids or not they're still boys.
Right now they know I'm going and checking where they were at.
But, I've done tricks to surprise them and saw some thing they got
rid of,
But my buff is not going to last long( But they did show me some sites
I didn't know) lol
I told her they're boys and well Boys will be boys.
She just don't want to get nailed with a bill for them looking.
So is there a way to keep them from sites that charge the fee to
the phone bill?
She knows they're boys and going to look there's no way to stop that,
But is there a way that you can stop them from getting on sites
that charge the phone bill

[kryyst]

run a local proxy server set them up with user accounts edit group policy so that their internet must go through the proxy server, then using group policy remove the communications tab from IE and that is a pretty secure method. For a proxy server I recommend CC Proxy (http://www.youngzsoft.net/ccproxy/proxy-server-download.htm), AC Proxy (http://sourceforge.net/projects/acfreeproxy) or Jana Server (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Servers/Proxy-Servers/Jana-Server.shtml) CC Proxy is the easiest. She can install it as an admin remove it from their access and force them through it but she needs to make rules for everything.

[shwaip]

run a local proxy server set them up with user accounts edit group policy so that their internet must go through the proxy server, then using group policy remove the communications tab from IE and that is a pretty secure method. For a proxy server I recommend CC Proxy (http://www.youngzsoft.net/ccproxy/proxy-server-download.htm), AC Proxy (http://sourceforge.net/projects/acfreeproxy) or Jana Server (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Servers/Proxy-Servers/Jana-Server.shtml) CC Proxy is the easiest. She can install it as an admin remove it from their access and force them through it but she needs to make rules for everything.


ubuntu live cd.

[DogDragon]

Thanks kryyst I'm checking out CC Proxy. with the demo it
can be used for 3 users. We will see how long it last before,
the devils get the idea of trying to break it.

I think Prime is on the right track,They're not bad really.
But they see a challenge it's like a moth to a flame.

shwaip ubuntu live cd?
I have ubuntu live cd 7.4 I have to put it in to be sure.
But what do you mean expand on your reply.

The one site I found was hacker daily (yeah I'm in trouble
they getting into finding ways around things)

[shwaip]

no matter how much effort you put into getting windows "secure", the kids can d/l a livecd of whatever and they can have their pron.

[kryyst]

no matter how much effort you put into getting windows "secure", the kids can d/l a livecd of whatever and they can have their pron.

Not if you have the router set to proxy.

[shwaip]

like prime said, they can just go around the router. or reset it.

it's impossible to secure a system that people have physical access to.

[bothered]

What we did when our kids were younger was to have the PC in the living room where could see it. We were our own net nannys. The older two are now adult (20 and 18) so theirs are in their rooms but youngests (14) and mine are still downstairs.

[DogDragon]

bothered problem with what you said is she's not
home all the time.
Now ubuntu may work if installed, but they could still
get around by putting another live cd in.
kryyst idea of a router set to proxy thats sounds
like it may work, just have to lock the router somewhere.
Wait can't they just use a another proxy to get around that?
( Like kids do in school)
Ok I think this is impossible. She is going to have to
only let them have internet while she's home or trust them.
Well with this thread I learned that if someone wants
to do something with the pc there's really no way to
stop them.
I wouldn't have figure

[kryyst]

No they can't use a proxy to get around a proxy if the first proxy they hit prevents them from accessing another proxy.

However - it all comes to how locked down she wants to make it and how much access they have. I mean with a proxy she could block every port and site except for 1 specific website if she wanted.

However I mean they are teener's she can't protect them from everything for ever. If they have friends without restricted access at home they'll be viewing it at their houses anyway. Instill some good morals and trust in them and hope they do the right thing. That's all she can do.

[primesuspect]

However I mean they are teenager's she can't protect them from everything for ever. If they have friends without restricted access at home they'll be viewing it at their houses anyway. Instill some good morals and trust in them and hope they do the right thing. That's all she can do.

And that's that... ^ the man speaks the truth


I mean, 16, what is she trying to protect him from? He's already seen all the worst that porno has to offer, I promise :p

[mtrox]

no matter how much effort you put into getting windows "secure", the kids can d/l a livecd of whatever and they can have their pron.

^^Bingo!^^ Except this isn't about Windows, if they have physcial access to the gateway, they have control. Period.


I mean, 16, what is she trying to protect him from? He's already seen all the worst that porno has to offer, I promise :p

There's porno on the 'net? Wow I gotta start clicking around a little more.