Icrontic. Web Garage (Post pics of your ride here)

[GHoosdum]

I'm a Mopar fan myself, and I love the classics... but I had to get rid
of my project cars in favor of a "reliable" daily driver. :(

I currently drive a '99 Ford ZX2 with 79K on the clock (had 6500 miles
when I bought it - mileage update as of 06/21/2006).
2.0L 130HP, auto, cruise, pw, pdl

//edit: Well, I put the note about "reliable" in quotation marks when I originally posted after first purchasing the car. I'm pleased to note that after putting nearly 50K on the car myself, it's only been in the shop twice - once to repair the damage that the car's radiator had when I bought it, and once to replace the engine mounts. It's been quite reliable for me the entire time. I'm ready for a new car though, hopefully something more comfortable... that'll have to wait until I get a job though!

//edit2: (02-28-2006) I still have this car. It's still been quite reliable for me, not a single breakdown (knock on wood). It's still a girly car, and ugly at that, but it gets me where I need to go. Even though I have a decent job by now, I'm bogged down in home improvement projects (I mean my wallet is) so I'm going to be living with this car for a little while longer. ;)

//edit3: I have a history of my vehicles, with photos of some prior cars right here (http://www.ghoosdum.com/blog/?p=5).

Photos:

http://pages.moparpages.com/GHoosdum/Ford/cornersm.jpg
http://pages.moparpages.com/GHoosdum/Ford/enginesm.jpg

[fuxor]

i'll post pics of my ride when I'm finished with the stereo... which should be very soon

[Armo]

lol my freakin boss backed into my truck with his box truck... in his driveway

[Rot Katze]

http://www.dodge.com/configuratorUS/U/vehicle_images/ext/172_107/29/CC03_DN5H74_2TG_PGW_APA_XXX_XXX.jpg

Dodge Durango SLT 4x4

Looks like that but with the grill the same color, and it's a '98 w/ 60k miles, 12" Sub, Sony Xplodes, Good Year Wrangler A/T

Has the 318 ci 4.7liter V8, and all the SLT goodies, minus leather and overhead console

[GHoosdum]

Rot Katze said
Has the 318 ci 4.7liter V8, and all the SLT goodies, minus leather and overhead console

The Durango is a nice truck. I'm looking forward to the new Durango with the 5.7L Hemi option.

BTW, the 318ci is the 5.2L engine, dates back to the late sixties in design. The 4.7L is a completely new design dating back to '97 or so (first used in the Jeep Grand Cherokee).

[Rot Katze]

ah..well I'm not quite sure what the displacment is then...I thought it was built off it..hmm...have to look..

[GHoosdum]

The 4.7L V8 is 247ci. Despite the lower displacement, due to the many technological advantages it has over the 5.2L, it has greater power output.

[Rot Katze]

thanks for clearing that up

all I know is it moves out pretty well, and has tons of power, on and off road

Hemi Durango looks realllllly nice though

[muddocktor]

This is my ride, a 97 Nissan 240SX SE. Great handling car and decent power for a 4 cylinder normally aspirated motor.

[SimGuy]

1999 Oldsmobile Intrigue GLS with AutoBahn Package

3.5 L V6-DOHC "ShortStar" Engine (the V6 version of Cadillac's V8 32-valve "NorthStar" engine)
215 HP delivered @ 5600 RPM
234 ft/lb torque @ 4400 RPM
4-Speed Automatic Transmission
4-Wheel Heavy-Duty Disc Brakes with ABS & Precision Control System
6-Spoke Chrome Polished Magnesium Rims with 225/60R-16 GoodYear Eagle LS (http://tires2.digiknow.com/goodyearca/display_tire.jsp?prodline=Eagle+LS&mrktarea=Performance) Tires
Leather Interior
Power Everything
Blue Xenon HID Head Lamps & Fog Lamps
45,000 KM's (28,000 miles)
Stock Audio System (upgrades coming, just need a few more pay cheques...) :D

Great for that long haul to the cottage on the weekend or the 45 minute drive to work each and every day. Great on gas (22 mpg City & 35 mpg Highway) and well insulated with enough power at the pedal to show those riced-out Civic's who's the boss. :)

Pure pleasure to drive.

[fatcat]

not my car but almost the same exact thing...i have my windows tinted

fc

[wb22rules]

Not mine (wish it were) but my buddy Mikes 23 T bucket .
The wheelie bars arent just for looks ;)

http://wb22rules.home.mindspring.com/_uimages/aggravation1.jpg

http://wb22rules.home.mindspring.com/_uimages/aggravation2.jpg

Oh yea , I drive a 11 yr old pickup :rolleyes:

[danball1976]

Here's mine

[MediaMan]

MM is member of the gas guzzling Durango SLT club too.

*slurp*


watch the size of those pics...yer squeezing my forums all out of shape. lol.

[mcwc]

Here's mine,
1990 Volvo 240DL stock w/ PL, PW, power antenna, and heated seats
Bosch LH2.4 fuel injection
2 channel AM/FM cass deck (16 watts total) with 4 stock speakers. Only fronts are used. Need an accessory amp to power the 2 rears.
2.3L I4 red block, OHC, 114HP@5400RPM, 136ft/lb@2700RPM
Stock exhaust - 1 cat, 2 mufflers
AW70 4 speed auto w/ overdrive
Virgo turbo alloys with P185/65R15 Dunlop D60 A2 (should be P195/60R15, the dealer installed the P185's when was bought used)
Front and rear foglights
Curb weight: 2934-3009lbs
GVW: 4030lbs
136,xxxKM - long way to 1,000,000miles
Oh, it's RWD:D and I really need to take some new pics with my digital camera. This one is taken with my SLR.

//edit: added a few extra things

[Geeky1]

Info:
1986 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL, U.S./CA spec
~125,500 miles
5.6L/~348ci V8
238hp @ 4800rpm
287ft/lb @ 3500rpm
6000rpm maximum engine speed
4 speed auto
Independent F&R suspension w/hydropneumatic self-leveling rear end
10.9/11" F/R ABS Disc brakes
Weight: 4125lbs
0-60MPH: Factory rated @ 7.2s
155MPH Top speed, electronically limited

Stuff:
Regardless of what Mercedes claimed the 0-60mph time was, it's faster than any of the 4.6l Mustang GTs (and probably the 5.0L as well). It's dead slow until it hits ~3000rpms, which is expected given it's high torque peak. For a car of it's size and age, it handles extraordinarily well. The 560SEL was the top of the line Mercedes sedan from 1985-1992, and as such, it had every concievable option at the time, including heated power front and rear seats, a sunroof, a "high quality" (by 1986 standards anyhow) 4-speaker audio system, and the self-leveling rear end.

[dNA3D]

Late 1996 E38 BMW 740iL - exterior upgrade to 1999 model year
M60 3988cc V8 Engine
~282HP
~295lb-ft Torque
~5 speed Auto
~Xenon Headlights
~0-60, factory time 7.2 seconds
~155 MPH top speed Electronically Limited

http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/305000-305999/305618_8_full.jpg

Waiting for the Euro to come down and the E65 745Li to get its facelift later this year. Our 745i here is about 5K more expensive than the 760Li in the USA. :wow:

EDIT: Oh, not my car... I can't drive yet (well I can but wouldn't want to get caught).

[Gargoyle]

muddocktor said
This is my ride, a 97 Nissan 240SX SE. Great handling car and decent power for a 4 cylinder normally aspirated motor.

Color me jealoos. I am having a hell of a time trying to find new body style 240's in the area. I've pretty much given up and I'm trying to find a decent Celica or Supra.

I'm still debating weather or not to post a pic of my 1990 Toyota Camry. I think I will a little later. It'll be nice for some laughs ;D

[Geeky1]

Gargoyle, I take it you're into Japanese sports cars then?

If so, my choices would be the "true" sports cars:
RX-7
Supra
3000 GT
300ZX
Skyline (not available here :()
240Z (260/280s were too fat)

U could also try to find a Dodge stealth, since they're just rebadged 3000GTs... I'd also recommend getting the Turbo versions of the RX7, 300ZX, 3000GT, and Supras... the NA models weren't all that fast, altho they're a lot cheaper... But still, if you're gonna get a GT (cause that's what the last 3000s/300ZXs/Supras/RX7s were) it might as well be fast- I mean what's the point of having one when a 4300lb, 16-year old Mercedes sedan is cheaper (to buy anyhow) and will kick it's @ss 0-60, 1/4, and top speed?

[Kwitko]

Not my real ride. My dream ride.

[dNA3D]

Celcho.... post the pics of your garage. :D You got a couple of very nice cars.

[Geeky1]

Here's another pic, this is of (left to right) my grandparent's 1997 Anniversary Edition Mercedes SL500, their 2003 S600, and my '86 560SEL that I posted before... I'll try to find some more detailed pix of the other 2, but I don't think I have any of the exterior... I'll take some one of these days...

Info:
1997 SL500
40th Anniversary Edition, 1 of 400 made, 1 of 200 in the U.S.
Special paint & interior colors, special wheels

Other than that, it's a stock '97 SL500:
<UL>
<LI>5.0L 315HP V8
<LI>5 speed auto
<LI>0-60MPH in 6.6s
<LI>155mph top speed, electronically limited
<LI>~4000lbs
<LI>Power soft top, removeable hard top
<LI>Heated seats, Bose audio, etc.
The car is a blast to drive, btw...

2003 S600 (I know a bit more about the Ss than I do the SLs)
<LI>5.8L V12, 362HP, ~400ft/lbs of torque, runs on 6cyl most of the time, with the other 6 being enabled if you need all 362HP; the computer is constantly altering which cylinders are "off" and which are "on"
<LI>5 speed auto w/ "touchshift" manumatic mode
<LI>Hydropneumatic, active self-leveling suspension front & rear. Not only does the suspension adjust for varying loads (passengers, cargo, etc.) but because it's what's known as an "active" suspension, it constantly corrects for acceleration, deceleration, and lateral acceleration to keep the car virtually dead flat in all but the most extreme circumstances.
<LI>AMG Sport package, incl. body kit, sport exhaust, and 18" AMG Monoblock alloys w/low-profile high-performance tires
<LI>Heated, cooled power seats front & rear w/massage function
<LI>4-zone climate control (front l&r, rear l&r)
<LI>COMAND system w/GPS, hands-free phone, radio, 6 cd changer
<LI>Bose audio
<LI>Parktronic sonar parking assistance (indicates distance to the car in front of you/behind you)
<LI> ~4000-4500lbs, can't remember exactly

Performance:
<LI>0-60MPH in 5.4s (C&D, R&T)
w/o the limiter, the top speed is in the neighborhood of 170mph :wow:
<LI>1/4 mile runs in the mid-13s @ ~90-100mph

Essentially the car will knock a Ferrari F355 senseless... and it weighs 2 tons+, can carry 5 people and their luggage, and is perfectly happy cruising @ 130mph all day...

//EDIT: Forgot to mention... the key (which is IR btw... there is no metal key) has a button to open the trunk... big whoop right? You misunderstand- you press and hold the button, and the trunk opens completely by itself. You then press a button in the trunk to close it...
I also forgot to mention the doors, which wil close and latch themselves if you shut them to the point where you hear the latch click but not engage...

[Geeky1]

well I did find a pic of the engine, which is practically a piece of art in and of itself...

[Park_7677]

1950 Chevy Pickup

The mighty engine sittin in there puts out a nice 750HP + 150 shot of N.O.S. is correct I believe.

The engine used to be in a 9.xx second Corvette.... :respect:

It jerks your head right back just goin easy on the gas... There's no way you could do full throttle...

:wow:

[Geeky1]

schweet... now u just need to strap it into a stripped cavalier w/a reinforced 6-speed manual out of a z06... 2000lbs, 900hp... sounds about right to me... :D

[dNA3D]

Geeky... that's a pre-2003 S600 which tops at around 170MPH but is geared for over 190MPH. The 735Li my dad almost bought had those two features too... unfortunately we didn't buy it :(. Also featured were Active Ventilated Seats, 4-way air conditioning, Dynamic Drive etc. Oh well, BMW's facelifting the 7-series pretty soon anyway. Guess we ought to hold off a few months.

:cool:

[Kwitko]

My father just got the new 745Li. Style-wise, it is one fugly car. As for comfort and handling, this might be BMW's best 7 series ever. Those 11" wide rear tires mated to 19" rims are the equivalent of Krazy Gluing the car to the road. The brakes never fade, and they take some getting used to because they GRAB.

The iDrive, as it's called, takes some getting used to- I accidentally started the navigation voiceover the other day- but I'm getting the hang of it each time I drive the car. Having the voice operated commands really helps, and the GPS navigation is light years better than in previous iterations.

Overall, this car gets a -4 on style, 6 on controls (although that number goes up as I learn how to master the iDrive), and 11 on handling. BMW handling never disappoints.

[Geeky1]

TD, I agree with you, the new 7 is absolutely hideous, and the upcoming 5 is worse. The i-drive is very poorly designed IMO, but in terms of pure performance, it's a very good car...

DNA, I need to check my sources then I guess... :D I'll change that to 170... I the twin-turbo ones tho should be good for 190+, depending on gearing... speaking of which, my grandfather ordered an SL600 the other day... one of the new, twin-turbo ones that is... :D

[mcwc]

Damn it, all those Benz's makes me want to get one in addition to the Volvos I want to get along with the one I currently have.

5.8L V12, 362HP, ~400ft/lbs of torque, runs on 6cyl most of the time, with the other 6 being enabled if you need all 362HP; the computer is constantly altering which cylinders are "off" and which are "on"
Looks like a variation of GM's displacement-on-demand but a version that actually works :eek:.

Hmm...this ad is so true.

[mcwc]

HOLY CRAP GEEKY1!!!!! Your grandfather is getting another Benz! You'll be one lucky guy when you inherit all of them. A fleet of high performance Benzs in your driveway.

[Geeky1]

LOL, hopefully anyhow... I still have to share with my brother and sister... As long as I get the S600 and the SL600, they can fight over the range rover... :D

[dNA3D]

Ho crap.. nuts... what does your Grandfather do for a living man?? Well, what DID he do for a living??

I don't blame him for not getting a BMW. Maybe if he was younger that would've been an option. :D Oh yeah, make sure you tell your grandad to send that SL600 to Renntech... they can get about 550HP out of the block with basic modifications... and for pretty cheap too. btreynor has a 4,600lb S-Class that'll can do 11.6 seconds. Oh, he's also got a couple of 9 second cars.

[Geeky1]

Actually, I'm trying to talk him into a Cayenne Turbo to replace the Range Rover... (God that thing is AWFUL to drive. I'm sure it's great off-road, but everything that makes it good in the mud makes it horrid on pavement) as for what he does, he owns a precision machining company.

We've got something ~200 employees (I think, I'm extrapolating based on what it was the last time I heard... it may be 100 or 150 tho...), including both my parents, my uncle, and my grandparents on my Mom's side, and I work there during the summer.... We do work for companies like Varian Oncology Systems, NASA, Lockheed Martin, Lawrence Livermore (and possibly Los Alamos as well... don't remember for sure) National Labs, Brainlab, etc. etc. Some of the parts we make include tungsten collimator assemblies for Varian that go in cancer treatment machines. Basically they're 2 sets of tungsten leaves in housings that face each other and are actuated by servo motors (1/leaf). The leaves are moved to match the outline of the tumor and since they're tungsten, they block the radiation, so the only thing that gets irradiated is the tumor... interesting stuff actually... we've also got parts on the ISS, so...

[Enverex]

Here's my 'fly ride'......

Cept mine has ionised bull bars.....

NS

[dNA3D]

That has to be the previous gen RR you're talking about. The new one's absolutely fabulous, whether you're on tarmac or mud.

[Geeky1]

dNA- yea, it's something like a 1999 or 2000 or something... it's a Holland & Holland edition, so whenever they made those... but i mean the steering has ZERO feedback, the brakes are awful, and the thing takes eons to accelerate to 60mph... it's got all the right parts to be outstanding off-road, but it's godawful on road...

[danball1976]

My parents got them a 2000 Dodge Ram Quad Cab with the nice camper shell (the one with the tracks on top that lets you open to gate all of the way), V-8, and top center console, starter kill, and some other stuff

[Gargoyle]

EDIT:
As of late December 2004, my poor Camry is dead. It served me well, but a head gasket problem progressed into a broken engine problem. May she rest in peace.

1990 Toyota Camry V6 LE
Engine: 2VZ-FE: Four Cam, 2.5L, Automatic Transmission.
HorseP: 158@5800
Torque: 152@4600
108k miles.

I'm seriously looking into some other cars right now. Mainly 240SX's, Celicas, Supras, or a Corolla GTS if I can find one.

Edit: 240s need turbos to be fun. Couldn't find any good Celicas. Kept missing out on deals on Supras. A few AE92 GTS' have been teasing me, but none were for sale.

So.... I bought a Volvo. :) (http://short-media.com/forum/showpost.php?p=91846&postcount=187)

I'll keep this Toyota until the Volvo is all fixed up and ready to be a daily driver.

[DoM-aL]

1999 Chrystler 300M Sports Chassis. Near 70K miles on it. Great car.
http://images.autobytel.com/cyber/169424/iXH524511_1.jpg

[GHoosdum]

Niiiice cars going up, folks. I want a BMW, a Mercedes, and a 300M please. You can throw in one of the new 300C's too if you like.

[Geeky1]

The 300m is a nice car. It handles well, and it's pretty fast. I drag raced one the other day... I beat it, but it was damn close (as in his front end was @ my front wheels) until the 'Benz got into 2nd... I dunno if he backed off or what, but I was gone

However, the 300m is still a very nice car. As I said, it handles well, and even assuming it's not quite as fast as my car, it's hardly slow by any means.

[b6l9nce]

I'm not rich enough to get BMWs and Benz. But I did get a Mazda 6. Ah handling is superb.

No mods yet. Too new. No parts available (other than a few body kits that are way too expensive right now)... yet. More pictures when it stops raining.

[Geeky1]

b6l9nce... nice. I've heard good things about the 6. If you really want a Mercedes or BMW tho, look @ used ones. All 3 of my parents/mine (not my grandparents) are used. For example, my 560SEL, which had a MSRP of ~$65,000 in 1986 can now be had for ~$6000 in good condition. If you're mechanically inclined, you can do your own maintenance, and if properly maintained, they aren't THAT much more expensive than other cars...

[Geeky1]

Here's my dad's car. I've only driven it 3 times, and just to school and back, but even doing a total of like 50 miles on surface streets, I've managed to surprise myself a few times. There have been about 6 instances where I've chirped the tires accelerating out of a corner totally unintentionally because the thing has a buttload more torque than my 560 does.

<ul>Relevant specs:
<li>1979 Mercedes 450SEL 6.9
<li>6.9L/417Cu in. DOHC V8 with dry-sump oiling
<ul><li>I should explain dry-sump oiling. Essentially, instead of a conventional system where the oil sits in an oil pan under the crankshaft, the oil is removed from the oil pan (it's stored in an external reservoir) filtered, pressurized, and sprayed onto the crank/rods/pistons using atomizing nozzles. It then drips into the oil pan, where it is immediately sucked out to begin the cycle again. The advantage of this system is that it eliminates windage and the consequent loss of horsepower, and it allows the engine to run at redline (5500rpms) for hours upon hours on end without a problem. The only other production car that I'm aware of that had dry-sump oiling was the 427 cobra, although I think some Ferraris and other exotics might use it as well.
</UL>
<LI>250HP @ 5000rpm, 360ft/lb @ 2500rpm (US Spec models)
<LI>3-speed automatic
<ul><li>the 3-speed auto it has was the only transmission Mercedes had at the time that could handle the torque. Interestingly enough, the gearing is very close to the 560's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears, and the 6.9 starts in 1st, while the 560 starts in 2nd unless you really punch it, so it makes for convenient comparison of acceleration- the 6.9 is faster.
</ul>
<li>fully independent hydropneumatic self-leveling suspension; the suspension automatically compensates for lateral acceleration, acceleration and deceleration to keep the car as near to totally level as possible at all times. The car handles better than the 560, which is 7 years newer and has better tires/wheels.
<li>4400lbs (1979 US model)
<li>0-60MPH rated @ 7.2s
<li>140MPH top speed, redline limited.
</ul>
Notes
The car is faster and handles better than my 560. It's a lot of fun to drive as well. Those of you that've seen Ronin should recognize it, because the 'Benz doing the burnouts and chasing the A8 and stuff in that movie is a 6.9, and afaik, the one in the movie is bone stock- it's perfectly capable of those massive burnouts in real life (haven't tried it- yet :D)

[Geeky1]

Here's the back (btw... in the above photo, that's my mom's Denali, my 560 is behind the 6.9, and that black triangle at the lower left is the trunklid of my 560 parts car) The only warning that this thing gives of it's capabilties is the tiny "6.9" badge, and most ppl have no idea what the hell that means :D

[Rot Katze]

dude I want your family's cars

[a2jfreak]

I had said (in another thread where I was informed about this thread) that I would post pics the next day. Well, time got away from me, and then I started looking at new trucks.

I had posted pics on Icrontic a few months back of my Dodge Ram 1500 Regular Cab SLT Sport (Red, year 2000). Well, I just got a new Red truck: Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab SLT LoneStar (year 2003) w/ the 5.7L HEMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEMI POWER BABY!

I'll try to post pics of the old and new tonight! :D

Now I got two sweet looking rams in my driveway! :D

[GHoosdum]

Sweeeet.... Hemi...

/me drools.

[a2jfreak]

I'll upload pics of the 2000 later, and probably more of the 2003 also, but here's a few of the 2003 to tide you guys over for a while. Sorry if some are a bit dark . . . it might be my monitor settings, or maybe I need to lighten the pics of a bit, but I don't have photoshop on this computer so this is all I have right now.

GHoosdum said
Sweeeet.... Hemi...

* GHoosdum drools.

[a2jfreak]

another

[a2jfreak]

another

[danball1976]

Yeah, really like that truck don't ya?:beer:

I do too, and it must've cost you around $30,000 right? I wish I could afford that kind of truck too.

[a2jfreak]

Love it!

No where near $30,000

the MSRP is $29,175 though, so that's close to $30,000.

danball, if you want to know what I paid, PM me. I don't want to just blurt out my finances for the whole world to see :D

I've had 4 uncles in the car business, one still in it. I had one of my uncles that just retired help me out. He was in the business around 40 years so he knows a great deal about buying/selling a vehicle.

danball1976 said
Yeah, really like that truck don't ya?:beer:

I do too, and it must've cost you around $30,000 right? I wish I could afford that kind of truck too.

[dNA3D]

What is it with you Americans and trucks?? :D Its just a SUV with half a roof.

Geeky: That affirmation with MBs runs in your bloodline huh?? Ever considered a BMW?

[Geeky1]

dNA- yea, for about a half a nanosecond :D

I was trying to convince my dad to let me have a used 750iL (they're dirt cheap compared to the used s600s) instead of the 560, but that didn't work... other than that, nope. Lessee...

List of BMWs I wouldn't mind owning:
Late model (400hp) M5
M6
2002 Turbo
M1
M3
507
750i/iL
850i/iL

Other than that, they don't make anything that's better than or as good as a similar Mercedes (imo)... I mean the '80s M5s aren't quite as fast as the 560... they do 0-60 faster but they're slower over a 1/4 mile and the top speed is lower... When people ask me why I favor Mercedes, my reply is usually something to the effect of "there are faster cars, there are safer cars, there are better handling cars, cars that get better gas mileage, cars that are more reliable, etc. BUT, there is nothing else that can do as many things as well as a Mercedes..." for example, the euro 560s were faster than the 1980s 911 Turbos. They also handled nearly as well as the M5s of the era, but they were far more luxurious. The 560 is just a much more well-rounded car than the 911 or the M5...

It's worth noting that my dad also has a '71 Firebird Formula 400, a '67 Camaro RS (327 2bbl, powerglide) and a '28 Model A, none of which are in running condition right now, and the Model A is ~1700 miles away in Nebraska...

Primarily I like European cars & muscle cars, but I don't mind some of the Japanese sports cars either (a civic is NOT a sports car- a Skyline is a sports car)

[a2jfreak]

Trucks are not SUVs!

A truck is a practical vehicle and a workhorse all in the same package . . . plus there's nothing sexier (in the automotive world) than a sleek truck!

Plus, the chicks dig 'em! =)
I've had compliments too numerous to count on my 2000--men and women, but it's the women that count :D

dNA3D said
What is it with you Americans and trucks?? :D Its just a SUV with half a roof.

Geeky: That affirmation with MBs runs in your bloodline huh?? Ever considered a BMW?

[Kristof2]

Looks like your Dad has an oil leak in this picture. Nice car though. I sure wouldn't mind owning one.

Kristof2

[Geeky1]

Kristof... yea, the car has always dripped oil (can't understand it either- it's not English :D) but he's in the process of restoring it, so...

[Kristof2]

Geeky1 said
Kristof... yea, the car has always dripped oil (can't understand it either- it's not English :D) but he's in the process of restoring it, so...

LOL, reminds me of an old joke.

Why don't the British make computers?



They couldn't figure out how to get them to leak oil.:D



Kristof2

[Mancabus]

Here are some pictures of my car.

1986 Alfa Romeo Spider Quadrifoglio

All aluminum 2.0L Inline 4, DOHC, VVT, making about 130 HP run through a 5 speed manual transmission.

This is not a drag car, but is a nice convertible sports car with really good handling.

Styled by the same people that did the new Ferrari Enzo - Pininfarina.

Variable valve timing has become the new rage, well how about this: VVT was invented pretty much for this car, starting in the early 80's, which is kinda revolutionary.

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/imaccall/images/Spider1.JPG

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/imaccall/images/Spider2.JPG

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/imaccall/images/Spider3.JPG

Sadly it's not running now, as I am rebuilding the engine - no mechanic will touch it.

[Geeky1]

Mancabus... I've always liked the styling on those Alfa Romeos... I've heard they handle well which, since you said it does, I assume is true... figures that no mechanic will touch it- i mean FIAT stands for Fix It Again Tony, and that mentality seems to have been extended to all Italian cars... @ any rate, how much room is there under the hood? I'm thinking one of the new AMG V6s w/350hp would be suitable for that thing :D

[mcwc]

Hey Geeky1, for little oil leak on your dad's Benz, tell him to try to tighten the bolts around the oil pan. A similar thing happened on my dad's 740 Turbo when he bought it back in 2001. The bolts worked loose over time and by retightening the bolts, it fixed the leak. That was probably the reason why the previous owner sold the car because of the little oil leak. Hell, I had a little leak near the firewall side of my cam cover. Problem was again, loose bolts.

[Mancabus]

Thanks Geeky1, btw any idea on what one of those AMG's would cost.

My brother in law told me that a small block V8 would fit just fine in this car, because friends of his had done it, with good results. If I were brave enough to do that I would.

One of the best things I could do though is find one of Alfa's V6 twinspark engines. I believe there are two spark plugs per cylinder which apparently helps with better combustion and reducing emissions. This engine would at least keep it as a pure Alfa. Others have done it, but have had to seriously modify the bay, and it just barely fits.

I do think the V8 would just sound sweet as well as give it a hell of a lot more power.

If I had the green this would already be done.

[Geeky1]

mancabus... the AMG engines are all hand built, and afaik you'd have to find one that's been in a C32 or SLK32, unless you wanted to get a regular V6 and send it over to RENNTECH. But, either way, you're talking several thousand for the engine (10k+ for the AMG probably) and the RENNTECH tuning costs as much as $23k, so...

what ever you do, don't put a small block v8 in there. you'll kick yourself for it later. Think about how much that engine weighs. It'd f**k the weight distribution on that car up beyond recognition. If you drop an iron-block v8 in there, you might as well kiss your handling goodbye...

which is why i (admittedly jokingly) suggested the 'Benz V6- they're light, and the AMG version puts out 350hp. if you want more power, I'd stay away from anything bigger than a V6 if you want to retain your handling, and preferably keep it all aluminum... maybe one of the Mazda rotaries? but yea, a V8 would work, but your handling will go out the window...

[Mancabus]

Geeky,

I do know that it would be much heavier with the V8, and my nice 50/50 wieght ratio would be thrown out of wack. I wasn't saying I'd get that done, but illustrating what kind of space there is.

If I could find a nice wrecked AMG Benz C32 where everything but the engine is screwed, then maybe I could get a deal on it, say $10k or so. Now that would be awesome.

I know of this rich guy that did almost that same thing, but instead was able to get a race modified engine out of a $400,000 totaled racing Porsche 996 for only $50K, although that was in cash, no credit or checks there. Basically what he got was an engine estimated at a $250K dollars for only $50K.

How do you go into a bank and say, "I need $50,000 in cash right now."

[Geeky1]

If you want to drop a Benz engine in there, check out these guys:
http://www.mercedesengines.net/engines.html

I haven't ever bought anything from them, but I'm trying to convince my parents to let me have them *ahem* rebuild a 560 engine for me, but with the largest oversize pistons, rods & valves available, using the higher performance euro spec equipment, and with ported, polished, and extrude honed intake manifold and heads... which means somewhere in the neighborhood of 330hp... :D

But yea, I had an idea driving home from school today (I only had to go pick up my final grades...) which was why not drop in a VTEC? They're lightweight (I think) some of 'em put out a pretty good amount of power for their size ('92-'96 Prelude VTEC = 190hp, S2000 VTEC = 240hp) and there's a practically unlimited amount of performance parts for 'em. While I may not be fond of riced-out Civics, Honda's stuff is reliable, pretty well-built, and dirt cheap. I know a guy with a 210hp Civic CRX (and that's front wheel horsepower too) and the majority of the drivetrain is still stock, and it's handling the extra power just fine...

[Kristof2]

Something about putting a Civic engine into an Italian car just doesn't seem like it would be a good idea.
You might want to install a lightning rod on your car if you do that.


K

[Geeky1]

lol

[Mancabus]

Yeah, Japanese + Italian just doesn't work for me.

[GHoosdum]

Mancabus said
How do you go into a bank and say, &quot;I need $50,000 in cash right now.&quot;

You say "This is a stick-up!"

[Paul]

dNA3D said
What is it with you Americans and trucks?? :D Its just a SUV with half a roof.



I'm not sure. But I like big, badass non-japanese trucks.

I'm getting a dodge ram or a silverado soon, preferably with 4x4. I'll post pics when it happens :D

In fact, I'd rather have a truck than a Mercedes.

[mcwc]

Get a Dodge Cummins diesel! And with a little aid for Banks Power (http://www.bankspower.com/), you'll have one smoking truck.

[Geeky1]

I'd rather have a truck than a Mercedes.

<H1>HERETIC! INFIDEL! BENEDICT ARNOLD!</H1>;D ;D

How abouts a Mercedes truck? :D

Ever heard of teh Unimog?

http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/news/top/pics/unimog_silber400ss.jpg

http://www.mercedes-benz.com/e/ecars/unimog/uhn_anw_orf.htm

[Park_7677]

:scratch: What happened to the good cars? :nudge:

//EDIT: Not meaning Honda... just to Geeky1's truck.. and well... the Box below..

[Geeky1]

park... for some reason, that honda reminds me of a clear computer case...

[a2jfreak]

Preach on Paul!

Trucks rule!

I'd go w/ the Ram (DUH!) mainly because I think the new Silverados are ugly, but the GMC looks sweet.

GM makes a fine truck, though, so either way you should be getting something you'll enjoy.

Paul said
dNA3D said
What is it with you Americans and trucks?? :D Its just a SUV with half a roof.



I'm not sure. But I like big, badass non-japanese trucks.

I'm getting a dodge ram or a silverado soon, preferably with 4x4. I'll post pics when it happens :D

In fact, I'd rather have a truck than a Mercedes.

[Geeky1]

I have to admit that for what they're intended for, the new trucks from Ford, GM and Dodge are all excellent machines... I just don't understand why people buy them if they never use them for what they were designed for...

[Gargoyle]

It drives me nuts to see all the yuppies around here driving big trucks or 4x4 SUV's and never see them loaded up with anything or taken offroad. Now that's herecy!

[Paul]

LOL Geeky, you think I would buy a truck with 4x4 and NOT take it mudding? I live in Herrin, Illinois bud.

[a2jfreak]

Unless you're purchasing a 2500 or 3500 model, chances are it's intended purpose is not for "work."

GM, Dodge and Ford all make their 1500 models (except for the plain-jane version) much more accomodating because trucks are being used more and more as family vehicles.

Also, something no car will ever match is the feel of a truck. Feel doesn't have to do with just the way the truck navigates the road, but also the view one has. It is much easier to see where one is heading when driving a truck than driving a car.

SUVs give a little better view of the road than a car, but normally not as good a view as a truck, and the ability to put wood, dirt, whatever in the bed isn't there because SUVs don't have a bed.

How many truck owners ask a car owner if he can borrow the car?

How many of you truck owners have been asked by car owners if they can borrow, or get you to use your truck, to load something for them? Bed? Desk? Shingles? Plywood? Etc?

If someone wants a car, that's fine.
I have no problem with it.

But for me, a truck is where it's at.
I have a better command of the road.
I have to rely on no one but myself to haul stuff when I need it hauled.
I can fit 6 people in my truck.
I could tow a yacht if needed.

Hey, trucks rule! =)

Geeky1 said
I have to admit that for what they're intended for, the new trucks from Ford, GM and Dodge are all excellent machines... I just don't understand why people buy them if they never use them for what they were designed for...

[GHoosdum]

An excellent point. Although, I did get kind of tired after a while of all my friends asking me for assistance, since I was the only one with a truck. I got past that by parking the truck in the driveway and letting the registration expire... Although now I'm planning to sell my current truck and buy an older D100 or F100 pickup for weekend use, utility, and so that I can have a project vehicle again.

[Geeky1]

Well guys, you reminded me of 2 things:

Syclone
Typhoon

I wouldn't mind one of either of those... :D

[danball1976]

If I had the money, I would want this:

Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD regular cab long box w/the Duramax Diesel, 6 speed manual, 4WD w/cab lights. Lt Pewter Metallic color and tan interior.

Cost - $35,215 (cost configured using GMBuyPower)

[a2jfreak]

2500HD 4x4 Diesel?

Either you want a serious work truck that could tow a train, or you want one big bad mudder that won't get stuck! :D

If you do get one, post some pics! =)

danball1976 said
If I had the money, I would want this:

Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD regular cab long box w/the Duramax Diesel, 6 speed manual, 4WD w/cab lights. Lt Pewter Metallic color and tan interior.

Cost - $35,215 (cost configured using GMBuyPower)

[Rot Katze]

heh...big bad mudder that would get stuck every time

the bigger the truck, the heavier = sink

my bro got a 2001 Dodge 2500 Cummins 4x4 with the factory lift and everything..and he gets stuck alot because of the weight

[Spinner]

Just to add a bit of UK charm to the thread, this is my car. Notice in this particular picture back end bumper is missing, due to some boy racer failing to stop at a junction.

[danball1976]

a2jfreak said
2500HD 4x4 Diesel?

Either you want a serious work truck that could tow a train, or you want one big bad mudder that won't get stuck! :D

If you do get one, post some pics! =)

danball1976 said
If I had the money, I would want this:

Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD regular cab long box w/the Duramax Diesel, 6 speed manual, 4WD w/cab lights. Lt Pewter Metallic color and tan interior.

Cost - $35,215 (cost configured using GMBuyPower)

I doubt I'll ever have the money for that... Unless I win the lottery

[Geeky1]

Spinner... so I assume it leaks oil then? :D

[Spinner]

Geeky1 said
Spinner... so I assume it leaks oil then? :D

Oih! I'll have you know it runs great. Okay it may not be the flashiest car on the block, but it gets me from A - B comfortably.;)

[Geeky1]

Spinner- yea, I just had to give u a hard time about that... my grandparents are from England, so...

So- how do u get an English car to stop leaking oil? You take the engine out. ;D

[mcwc]

Spinner, isn't that a Ford Cosworth?

[Spinner]

mcwc said
Spinner, isn't that a Ford Cosworth?

Yeah, I wish! It's an Ford Escort yes, but not a Cosworth.

[Geeky1]

How come you guys get cars that we don't? I wouldn't mind a Cosworth, or for that matter a Skyline...

[Spinner]

Geeky1 said
How come you guys get cars that we don't?

...because we're the only ones who can actually drive them properly.;) :D

[Geeky1]

actually, that's almost true... the Germans don't seem to have a driving problem either though. But most of the rest of the world can't f**king drive! (don't get me started...)

[Geeky1]

The other reason why I haven't considered a BMW:

http://short-media.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=11438

you hit a cat in a Mercedes and you feel a bump and keep going... you hit one in a BMW, and you're gonna be talking to your insurance company... ;D ;D

[Wahoogie]

Well, I currently drive this Mitsubishi Eclipse GT.... and really I can't stand it.

[Wahoogie]

.... but once someone buys it - I'm getting this:

I love these cars... Porsche 944 Turbo. I've never driven anything more fun. Ass-kicking when the turbo kicks in (~3500rpm), extremely good handling, incredible styling, and affordable too.

[GHoosdum]

Nice choice of the new car there, Wahoogie. I'm not too fond of the $h!tsubishis, either...

[Geeky1]

Wahoogie, just outta curiosity, why don't you like the Eclipse?

That being said, the 944 Turbo is a niiiiiice car.

[Wahoogie]

Don't get me wrong Geeky1 - The Eclipse is fine for me. But really, I'm not too much of a fan of it since they are soooo damn common. My Eclipse is a fairly comfortable ride, can hold 5 people easilly, and is decently quick... but I'm just looking for something different.... and cheaper. One of the main reasons I'm selling it is because I'd rather not be paying anything more than maintenance through college...and as it is right now I'd be paying 360/month for my freshman year and halfway through sophomore.

I've driven quite a few 944's now since I've gotten interested in them in the last 8 months. I've driven 3 944 S2's, 2 Turbos, and an S, along with a few original 944 NAs.

They all drive suprisingly different. The Turbo, is no doubt the quickest... it has taller gearing than all of the others... you can do a 0-60 run while still in 2nd gear. The S2 is definatly fun as well. It has the massive 3.0L....torquey as hell! It has all of the stuff that makes a Turbo a turbo, without the turbo. Bigger breaks, rear valence, better shocks (Koni Yellow adjustables.) I'm seriously considering an S2 for autocrossing... it's very very tempting. The s2 might not be as great in the straights, but in the turn it picks up some track due to its lower weight and much better low-end torque. Then maybe later I could turbo the S2 - which has been done, although it isn't cheap. When done correctly though....that 3.0L powerplant churns out 350HP+ with under 1bar of boost....

[Geeky1]

I had a nice, long response all ready and then I tried to post it w/o logging in... grr... and I've been so busy I haven't had a chance to reply yet...

Anyhow, I like the 944s a lot (hell, I like Porsches period). They handle well, and I don't doubt that the Turbo is a fast car. If you were doing JUST autocrossing, my preference would actually be a 914, but for driving on the street and autocrossing, a 944 is probably a better solution.

[danball1976]

I bet the insurance on any Porsche is expensive.

[Templar]

Gettin' one of these bad boys :)

http://lascero.no-ip.com/ninja1.jpg

http://lascero.no-ip.com/ninja2.jpg


Specifications

Engine: 4-stroke, DOHC, inline four, 16 valves

Displacement: 899cc

Starting: Electric

Bore x Stroke: 75.0 x 50.9mm

Compression ratio: 12.2:1

Cooling: Liquid

Carburetion: Keihin CVKD40 x 4

Ignition: Digital with Kawasaki Throttle Responsive Ignition Control (K-TRIC)

Transmission: 6-speed

Frame: Aluminum perimeter design

Suspension, front: 46mm Cartridge Fork with Adjustable Preload Stepless Compression and Rebound Damping Adjustability

Suspension, rear: UNI-TRAK® with Piggyback Reservoir Shock, Threaded Preload Adjustment, Stepless Compression and Rebound Damping Adjustments

Brakes, Front/Rear: Dual Hydraulic discs/Single Hydraulic Disc

Dry weight: 409.2 lbs.

Fuel capacity: 5.0 gal.

Wheelbase: 56.6 in.


All for about $9K

[Geeky1]

Engine: 4-stroke, DOHC, inline four, 16 valves

On a MOTORCYCLE?! Jeezus- do they glue you to the seat, too? and it weighs 400lbs? It's gotta put out something ~100hp, if not more... :eek:

Sounds very nice to me... what's the performance like (I'm betting it's very fast, but specifically...?)

On a side note, my personal favorite "motorcycle" is this:

http://www.bosshosscycle.com/bigblk.jpg
http://www.bosshoss.com/second.html

Boss Hoss- 502ci Big Block Chevy 502hp crate motor... on a motorcycle :D The only thing is that it weighs so much (1300lbs) that it could really use another, oh, 300hp or so... of course, it's a GM crate engine... there are probably more performance parts for a big block chevy than anything except a small block chevy or ford. Another 300hp shouldn't be too hard... some aluminum heads, headers, dump that 850cfm carb for a 1200cfm+ unit or FI, a street/strip cam, aluminum rods & pistons, etc... wonder if it's got room for a supercharger? There is no such thing as too much horsepower. Period. :D Unfortunately, it's got that stoopid powerglide. Ugg. 2 speeds may be fine for drag racing, but I'd like some more top end, thankyouverymuch. Wonder if a TH700-R4 would fit... hmm... :D

Specs:
Big Block "STUD" Hoss Specs
Wheelbase: 82"
Height of Seat to Ground: 27"
Tank Width: Front 27" Rear 17" Front Wheel: 16"
Front Tire: Avon MT90 (130)
Rear Wheel: 7" x 15"
Rear Tire: Avon 230
Dry Weight: 1300 LBS.
Frame Width: 30"
Ground Clearance: 7"
Front Forks: Inverted
Rake: 33 degrees
Corner Lean: 25 Degrees

Frame Material: 1.5" Chrome Molly
Engine: ZZ4 502/502 CI GM Crate Motor
Horsepower: 502

Carburation 850 CFM 4-barrel
Exhaust: Ceramic Coated Headers
Mufflers: Dual
Drive Belt: Gates- Poly Chain
Drive Sprockets: 47mm with 14mm
Front: 32 Tooth
Rear: 80 Tooth
Rear Axle: Spool Type
Rear Hub: 5-6.75"

[Wahoogie]

Geeky1 said
I had a nice, long response all ready and then I tried to post it w/o logging in... grr... and I've been so busy I haven't had a chance to reply yet...

Anyhow, I like the 944s a lot (hell, I like Porsches period). They handle well, and I don't doubt that the Turbo is a fast car. If you were doing JUST autocrossing, my preference would actually be a 914, but for driving on the street and autocrossing, a 944 is probably a better solution.

I'm going for an everyday-driver and something that will compete nicely in auto-x sometimes, mainly PCA events, and Drivers ed events.


danball1976 said
I bet the insurance on any Porsche is expensive.

Actually, You'd be suprised. On a 944 it isn't bad at all. The 944S2 was the first car to come with standard airbags, and they hold up very very well in accidents. It would be no more than my Eclipse.

[Templar]

Sounds very nice to me... what's the performance like (I'm betting it's very fast, but specifically...?)

You're gonna love this, but I've never drove a bike before :D I'm going to take some safety classes and I got an uncle who can teach me, so it won't be too bad. I'm considering starting with a lower power bike though. I'd be too tempted to own all the Mustangs and whatnot around here :)

[Geeky1]

I'd be too tempted to own all the Mustangs and whatnot around here

ROFL. You too huh? If THAT's what you want to do, I've got news for ya: You don't need that much power to do that. If you assume that the rider weighs 200lbs, that bike could own more-or-less every street legal mustang around with little more than 60hp... I mean the BARGE that I drive (I mean that in a nice way, but don't tell it I said that anyhow, just to be on the safe side) is faster than a Mustang GT... :D

[dNA3D]

Ok, Geeky... here's like, a dozen reasons why me nor my paps support MB as a company.

http://www.imakenews.com/autospies/e_article000171665.cfm

Yes, there's something about Mercedes and their detiorating quality. Might have something to do with the fact that Mercedes-Benz board members get the fattest paychecks in the German Automovile Industree.

BMWs are reliable... if you maintain them regularly! Ask any BMW buff who also owns one and he'll tell you the same thing.

[Geeky1]

dNA, I have to agree with the general contention that the guy that wrote the letter makes... Mercedes quality has deteriorated somewhat in the past several years. I've either owned or had a family member own every generation of Mercedes S-Class from the 1967 to the present, along with some others. The complete list (which I don't think I've posted yet) is:

1967 250SE Coupe
1973 300SEL 4.5
1979 450SEL 6.9
1986 560SEL
1987 560SEL
1994 S500
1997 SL500
199x ML320 (don't remember exactly what year it was)
2000 S500
2003 S600

The 250 was a solid car. Or it would have been. The original owner should be prosecuted for cruelty to inanimate objects and given the death penalty. The car was sold new in 1967 in Sweden, and was driven year-round for God only knows how long before coming over here. The guy that sold it to my Grandfather discovered the consequences of all that salt- the wells on either side of the trunk floor (one for the spare tire, the other for miscellaneous crap) were rusted through. His solution? Duct tape. Lots of duct tape. And flat black spray paint. You never would've seen it unless you got your head within 6" of the trunk floor and had a flashlight (which is how I found it after the car was given to me). He also undercoated the entire thing, so the rust was hidden very effectively, and I ended up selling it because I didn't have the time or money to fix it, and I didn't want to spend the time & money to fix a car that did 0-60 in 13 seconds...

The 300SEL was a great car, except for the air suspension- the early air suspensions always had issues, but that's the way it goes sometimes. Every car has at least one weakness- the 300SE/SELs happened to have an air suspension that was years ahead of the materials available when it was designed and built.

The 6.9 is an outstanding piece of machinery. Complex as hell, and it's been pretty much bulletproof in terms of reliability.

The 560 that I drive has also been pretty much bulletproof. It ate the transmission at 100,000 miles since the 5.6l engine puts out very near the maximum torque that the transmission can handle... The other 560 is a parts car, so I can't comment on it's reliability.

The first S500 that my Grandparents had was probably the last of the really outstanding sedans Mercedes made. It looked for all the world like the S420 in my signature, except it had the factory wheels and was not lowered. That car f*king defined the word tank. You know how people say that a car's doors feel like they belong on a bank vault? You might say that about the W140 S-class, except that you wouldn't really be doing it justice. Bank vault? Hell, the doors on these cars belong in Cheyenne Mountain. The build quality on this car is easily as good as the older 'Benzes, possibly better, and it NEVER gave my grandparents a problem. Not once.

The SL gets driven pretty rarely (last I looked it has less than 10,000 miles on it, and it's nearing 7 years old). It hasn't had a problem with just sitting there though. Believe it or not, NOT driving a car often enough is as bad as, if not worse than driving it every day. Stuff ages, dries out, cracks, gets stiffer, etc. The SL has been totally problem-free though.

The ML explains a lot of that letter. The ML320 is not exactly the top of the line Mercedes (it was, however, the only easily obtainable Mercedes SUV around in this country when my Grandparents bought it). It certainly wasn't a cheap car, but everything about it was lower-end than on the S. I don't recall it having any reliability issues though...

The 2000 S500 was a good car, although it really lost a good chunk of the feeling the old S did- the car just didn't feel as expensive or as well made- more plastic, less leather, etc.

The 2003 S600 is better than the 2000 500 was, and while it's a much nicer car than the older S600s, it still doesn't have all of the traditional Mercedes "feel" to it that the older models did. It certainly has more than the 500 did, what with the sued dashboard and headliner and stuff, but something is still... missing.

In the past 10 years, with Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti coming onto the scene, Mercedes, BMW, and Jaguar have all had to adjust their business practices. All 3 of them have come way down in price, and both Mercedes and BMW have suffered for it. Jaguar has the resources of Ford at it's disposal, so their quality has actually gone up in the past decade...


Don't misunderstand me, the new S class 'Benzes are still nice cars, but they aren't quite as "Mercedeslike" as they used to be. Now that they have to compete with the Japanese manufacturers, they've had to cut costs (as I said) because people were too cheap, ignorant, and/or stupid to pay the premium for a Mercedes or BMW (BMW has followed the same general trend btw). In the end, the Mercedes and BMWs they sell today are in many ways worse than the cars they were selling 10 years ago.

Oh, and by the way- both BMWs and Mercedes are reliable if they're maintained properly. Mercedes Diesels will suffer through a hell of a lot before they die, but the gasoline models aren't always so forgiving. I've talked to the guy that works on our cars about this before (He owns a shop that works only on German cars). He's had more problems with BMWs than with either Porsches or Mercedes because BMW likes to be on the cutting edge *cough*idrive*cough* and so they sometimes rush things out the door before they're completely finished, and it inevitably comes back to haunt them. Wait 10 or 15 years and look at the now-new 745is. I'll bet they're going to be some of the worst cars on the road from a reliability standpoint. Why? They've got more electronic crap on them than... I mean, most of the problems that have come up with any of the Mercedes have been electrical. When electronic equipment gets that old, it's a time bomb... something will blow up, it's just a question of where and when. I also predict that the new S600s will be a nightmare 10 or 15 years from now, as will most other new luxury cars. The more crap you put on a car, the more crap there is to break.

[dNA3D]

Yeah well, iDrive was probably revealed to the world before its prime - my dad talked to the VP of Brunei's sole BMW dealer and one of the German Technicians working there employed by BMW AG and both admitted that the initial problems with iDrive were abundant. After several revisions and bug swatting most of the complications were remedied. None of the problems, according to both of them should arise in the upcoming E60 5-series after having tested the iDrive 2.0 extensively.

The E65 should be upgraded to the same software variant, iDrive 2.0, along with a few other nifty technological gadgets which made their debut in the E60.

Yes, with electronics many things can go wrong, no doubt. But the great thing is most of them can be fixed without ever having to replace a single hardware component. I guess we all should know... this is a techie forum isn't it?? :thumbsup:

Back to the quality issue, from what I can see BMW's build quality is on a steady rise. MB has picked up a little from about 3 years ago, but I mean, still. Have you driven a C-Class (Ford) lately? ;D

Mechanically, the more expensive Mercedes Benz models are on the cutting edge. Their tranny and engine strength is without question, exceptional and the men at Stuttgard can be pretty optimistic they'll head the horsepower race until BMW ceases their fascination with NA engines. Would you ever think a 4600lb Limousine could clock 11.6 on the dragstrip. Or a 4500lb 4-Seater Luxury Coupe have 10HP less than the legendary McLaren F1, and more than double the torque?? (CL65 AMG)

Until next time. :wave:

[Geeky1]

Oh I believe you about the C-Class. I haven't been in one, but I was offered one for my birthday. I turned it down because the 560 may be 17yrs old (same age as me, incidentally) but it's faster than the C, it's probably safer due to it's size, and to get the same amount of features on the C230K Coupe that I have on the 560, the MSRP goes from $25k to close to $50k... for a 2.3l i4 that does 0-60 in 8s. No thanks.

Unfortunately, the electronics generally can't be fixed without new parts (at least in my experience). The software/firmware stuff doesn't go bad, the parts themselves do. I had to have part of the ECU and a relay replaced to get the AC on my 560 working again. The total cost was slightly north of $500...

On the bottom end tho, you have to remember what these cars are competing against. I mean the same people that are looking at a 325 or a C230 are also looking at a top-of-the-line Camry, an Acura, maybe an Accord, etc... Mercedes and BMW don't have much room for nicities in that price class. The E-Class is the most popular Mercedes series of all time, and the new one is a very, very nice car. It's only the cheaper models that really have a lot of issues...

As for the mechanics of the expensive models, that's why I like 'em ;) I mean the fact that my 17 year old, 4400lb, 238hp, 4-door 560SEL can take on a brand new Mustang GT in a stoplight drag race and proceed to soundly kick it's @ss from 0-100mph (at which point my dad, who happened to be in the passenger seat at the time, made me stop... I was getting onto the freeway at the time...)

I mean, when you take into account the sheer mass that the big 'Benzes and BMWs are pulling around, their performance is nothing short of jaw-dropping. The Euro-spec 560SELs were used to "hunt" for Porsche 911 Turbos from the mid '80s to the early '90s when they were being made... The 560SEL was faster than the Porsche, and a number of Germans bought them solely to embarrass 911 Turbo drivers on the Autobahn...

[Gargoyle]

Man, you two really need a debate forum ;D

Make sure Kanez includes a Automobile section on his new site, right next to philosophy and politics :D

[Camman]

Geeky1 said


As for the mechanics of the expensive models, that's why I like 'em ;) I mean the fact that my 17 year old, 4400lb, 238hp, 4-door 560SEL can take on a brand new Mustang GT in a stoplight drag race and proceed to soundly kick it's @ss from 0-100mph (at which point my dad, who happened to be in the passenger seat at the time, made me stop... I was getting onto the freeway at the time...)



Figured I'd jump back into this thread for a quick commentary.

No offense, but the driver of that Mustang GT must've just been awful, because the physics of this one just don't add up.

Seeing as how a brand new Mustang GT is sporting a 260hp V8 with an average curb weight of 3300lbs, how could a 4400lb car with 238hp logically take this car head to head? And yes, I know there's more to a race than horsepower and weight figures, but, this one looks pretty fishy to me.. just stirring things up, dont get me wrong ;)

[Geeky1]

Camman; yah, I know... I still can't figure it out. Especially since in additon to that particular mustang, there have been 3 or 4 others that I've raced, and they've always lost. This can mean one of a number of things:

1. Mustang drivers in general can't drive
2. The 560's horsepower output was severely underrated
3. The gearing on the GTs just plain sucks

Which one of those it is, I dunno... I'm inclined to believe it's #2, but then I may be somewhat biased... :D

[Camman]

Geeky1 said

1. Mustang drivers in general can't drive
2. The 560's horsepower output was severely underrated
3. The gearing on the GTs just plain sucks

Which one of those it is, I dunno... I'm inclined to believe it's #2, but then I may be somewhat biased... :D

Haha, yeah, altho it could be a combo of 1 and 2 as well, cause I've seen some bad mustang drivers around here. Friend of mine has a 92 5.0 Mustang GT and he gets 0wned by my friend who has a 95 Probe GT all the time, figure THAT one out, hehe :) I chalked it up to the difference between the two drivers

[Geeky1]

You sure the guy with the probe hasn't strapped a JATO to the roof without your noticing or something? :D

[Gargoyle]

Geeky1 said
This can mean one of a number of things:

1. Mustang drivers in general can't drive
2. The 560's horsepower output was severely underrated
3. The gearing on the GTs just plain sucks

Or maybe:

4. The horsepower at the wheels is much less than Ford's official hp rating?
I was watching some car show on TNN (whichever one comes on after Car and Driver TV on Saturdays) and that guys Mustang GT only made 170-180 hp at the wheels when it was stock. (This is the previous body style, unsure of year).

[Geeky1]

LOL. I know a guy who's Civic CRX puts out 210hp @ the front wheels... (of course he's supercharged it and a bunch of other stuff. It's not riced out though- just damn fast)

[Rot Katze]

My cousin just bought a '03 Jetta 1.8T

omfg that thing is quick on the getup...around 70-80MPH it gets sluggish though...no top end

[mcwc]

Man Geeky, how many computer systems are on your Benz? Geez, requiring to replace a part in your ECU and a relay to get your A/C working is a little much. I would expect that on a newer car, not something that old.

I'm going with MegaSquirt (http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html) when or if my Bosch LH2.4 ECU decides to quit and a replacement part is not available, though it would require quite a bit of tuning.

[Geeky1]

Whoah. MCWC, sorry for the delay. I guess I missed the post. :rolleyes:

Aanyhow, I'm pretty sure the computer itself is one unit, but it's got a number of modules to it. How many though, I don't know... I'm pretty sure the fuel injection is electronic, I know the climate control is, some of the gauges may be (not sure though)... uhm, it's got warning lamps to tell me if any of the external lights (taillights, signals, fog lamps, headlights, etc.) have failed, it'll tell me when the engine oil is low, when I need new brake pads, when the ABS isn't functioning properly, when the SRS (airbag) system isn't working properly, if the antifreeze is low, if the windshield washer fluid is low, and the external temperature, in addition to the normal high beam/battery lights (the oil pressure is a gauge, not a warning light though)... The radio is completely button operated- no knobs of any kind, so it's probably computerized to an extent as well. I know the alarm system will go off if the valet key is used and anything other than the driver's door is opened before the master key is used again...

How much of that stuff is comptuerized though, I don't know. It would seem to me that the majority of it probably is, but then the computers in the '80s were significantly less powerful than today's computers too (duh...) so I don't know if they could have/would have computerized all that stuff...

[IPsoldat]

Ok I will get the pics of my 2 cars up soon.

Well I will just post pics of the Evo cause the Civic is torn apart getting ready for a motor swap.

[Buddy J]

w00t!!

Hey IP-
Me and Ghaleon4 were pickin up Papa John's tonight when an SRT-4 tried to race his Focus. Me pulled up to the light and had the system up and were totally rockin out. When it turned green, he squeeled and shot off and we just rolled down the windows and waved. We had no chance anyways. lol

[IPsoldat]

I got video of me smoking that S2000 by third gear I had 2 1/2 car lengths on him and the turbo was spoolin 14psi... thats all I got to say about that.

And to be honest.. I think when I am done with the Civic it will beat the evo... that is so sad... and its a sleeper all the way.

[pseudonym]

IPsoldat had this to say
I got video of me smoking that S2000 by third gear I had 2 1/2 car lengths on him and the turbo was spoolin 14psi... thats all I got to say about that.

And to be honest.. I think when I am done with the Civic it will beat the evo... that is so sad... and its a sleeper all the way.

It's ALL about the sleeper.

[mcwc]

IPsoldat had this to say
I think when I am done with the Civic it will beat the evo... that is so sad... and its a sleeper all the way.

That is what I love to hear. Sleepers are the sh*t! Post pics soon.

[IPsoldat]

Right now the Civic is tore apart. I have a B20A block going in with JE Pistons and CTR connection rods, GSR tranny, B16A2 head, GReddy Cam and adjustable cam gear, Garret T3/T4 Turbo, Skunk2 CatBack system , 55mm intake manifold, GReddy Intercooler w/ 40mm intakes, 555cc fuel intake, Skunk2 Exhaust manifold, Ground Force Coilovers, Tein Struts, rear disc brake conversion, 16" Koing SuperGlide wheels (15lbs each ), and a few other little tricks up the sleeves. When its done looking to be laying down about 325HP at the wheels with a little over 220 ft/lbs torque.

[Mt_Goat]

Damn, this has been going since the beginning and I missed it. Oh well, I better catch up again. This is not a stock WS-6 but one that was special ordered and modified before leaving SLP industries. It has different heads, cam and exhaust to yield 460 HP as well as Bilstein suspension. The red one in the back has a 454 in it. :D

[GHoosdum]

Nice, goat, nice. I'm not a big fan of Chevys, but Pontiacs are a different story (even though they're the same cars)!

[Geeky1]

mtgoat... you have successfully made me exceedingly jealous.

My dad has a '71 Formula 400, and the Firebirds are one of the few American cars that I really like. With the exception of the '79-'81 models, they've always looked better than the Camaros, IMO.

I'm just mad that my dad decided to let me have the 'Benz instead of the Firebird, as the Firebird is one of the only cars I'd rather have.

[Mt_Goat]

I am looking into doing more with the red '91 in the background. I have been thinking of changing the rear section for the non-hatchback Camaro style and adding a Daytona spoiler like the '71 Plymouth Superbirds had, side headers and one of these hoods.

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/741720/i/TA800_big.jpg

[GHoosdum]

Sounds sweet. How difficult is the hatch changeover? Man that ram air hood looks nice on that car...

[Mt_Goat]

Not too bad as you cut the rear section from the body and attach a rear section from a Camaro. I also found a guy that sys he can remove the hatchback itself and replace it with a removeable flat verticle rear window and a trunk lid easier. I am trying to fully envision the later!

[GHoosdum]

Here's a little piccie of my truck. I've had the truck for about 5 years, my father owned it for 5 years before that (since new). I'm selling it now, but it's been good to me. :bawling:

[Mt_Goat]

Those little Toys as I call them are dependable vehicles. I have a friend with a 1988 and he has 400K of extremely hard miles on it with not much done other than he is very good about oil changes and maintainance.

[GHoosdum]

It's been rock solid dependable. Mine's got 162K on it, and I put 90K of that on... still runs like a top!

[Rot Katze]

Just sold our '82 Toyota pickup, had about 350k miles

Never had anything major go wrong with it

[Mr_Bojingles]

Heres my ride :D

Gets me back and forth to college plus I got it all paid off. w00t!

[godzilla525]

1986 Plymouth Horizon... :thumbup

2.2L carbed SOHC 4-cyl w/'bathtub' head ~96HP ;D
3-speed A-413 automatic... :bawling:
I rebuilt the carb and replaced many vacuum lines... :crazy:

...driving a 4-cyl with a non-functional vacuum secondary isn't much fun...I had to fix it :banghead:

0 to 60 sucks but 65 to 85+ = :eek2:

I love this thing... no balance shafts, roars like a dumptruck at highway speeds... turns heads wherever it goes.
:respect:

[Rot Katze]

Good in the snow?

Bet you get mad gas mileage too

[a2jfreak]

Which way do they turn? Away or towards?

godzilla525 had this to say
turns heads wherever it goes.

[Camman]

my 93 sunbird LE, some people have told me it's an econobox....which is true...but I still love it! doesn't look bad for a 93 and only has 98k miles on it, not bad for over 10 years old!

http://www.purposelessproductions.com/misc/prom.jpg

[godzilla525]

Towards... people come up and tell stories about ones they used to have... how they miss having it... This one in particular has spent most of its life in a garage so the rust hasn't taken it yet...

It still has a cold-start driveway stalling issue I have to resolve yet (heh, they ALL did :) )...fuel mileage is ok... I got about 27MPG overall last summer, which considering my driving habits and the gearing of the transmission isn't too bad... it used to get about 19-20MPG until I adjusted the ignition timing... o_O

It's a little back-heavy in the snow and likes to swing around a little... I have fun with that though :)

What I would do for a 5-speed manual and a turbo... it's still good for riding the bumpers of/passing Hondas that can't make it up steep hills at the speed limit...

[DanG]

1995 B4 Passat GLX with the VR6.

[pcscustom]

My ultra pimpage ride is a 2003 Oldsmobile Alero GL Coupe 3.4L V6 Premium monsoon audio tinted windows.

Trev

[a2jfreak]

http://short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=10263#post10263

[Geeky1]

Info:
1986 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL, U.S./CA spec
~125,500 miles
5.6L/~348ci V8
238hp @ 4800rpm
287ft/lb @ 3500rpm
6000rpm maximum engine speed
4 speed auto
Independent F&R suspension w/hydropneumatic self-leveling rear end
10.9/11" F/R ABS Disc brakes
Weight: 4125lbs
0-60MPH: Factory rated @ 7.2s
155MPH Top speed, electronically limited

Stuff:
Regardless of what Mercedes claimed the 0-60mph time was, it's faster than any of the 4.6l Mustang GTs (and probably the 5.0L as well). It's dead slow until it hits ~3000rpms, which is expected given it's high torque peak. For a car of it's size and age, it handles extraordinarily well. The 560SEL was the top of the line Mercedes sedan from 1985-1992, and as such, it had every concievable option at the time, including heated power front and rear seats, a sunroof, a "high quality" (by 1986 standards anyhow) 4-speaker audio system, and the self-leveling rear end.

[Geeky1]

Here's another pic, this is of (left to right) my grandparent's 1997 Anniversary Edition Mercedes SL500, their 2003 S600, and my '86 560SEL that I posted before...
Info:
1997 SL500
40th Anniversary Edition, 1 of 400 made, 1 of 200 in the U.S.
Special paint & interior colors, special wheels

Other than that, it's a stock '97 SL500:
<UL>
<LI>5.0L 315HP V8
<LI>5 speed auto
<LI>0-60MPH in 6.6s
<LI>155mph top speed, electronically limited
<LI>~4000lbs
<LI>Power soft top, removeable hard top
<LI>Heated seats, Bose audio, etc.
The car is a blast to drive, btw...

2003 S600 (I know a bit more about the Ss than I do the SLs)
<LI>5.8L V12, 362HP, ~400ft/lbs of torque, runs on 6cyl most of the time, with the other 6 being enabled if you need all 362HP; the computer is constantly altering which cylinders are "off" and which are "on"
<LI>5 speed auto w/ "touchshift" manumatic mode
<LI>Hydropneumatic, active self-leveling suspension front & rear. Not only does the suspension adjust for varying loads (passengers, cargo, etc.) but because it's what's known as an "active" suspension, it constantly corrects for acceleration, deceleration, and lateral acceleration to keep the car virtually dead flat in all but the most extreme circumstances.
<LI>AMG Sport package, incl. body kit, sport exhaust, and 18" AMG Monoblock alloys w/low-profile high-performance tires
<LI>Heated, cooled power seats front & rear w/massage function
<LI>4-zone climate control (front l&r, rear l&r)
<LI>COMAND system w/GPS, hands-free phone, radio, 6 cd changer
<LI>Bose audio
<LI>Parktronic sonar parking assistance (indicates distance to the car in front of you/behind you)
<LI> ~4000-4500lbs, can't remember exactly

Performance:
<LI>0-60MPH in 5.4s (C&D, R&T)
w/o the limiter, the top speed is in the neighborhood of 170mph :wow:
<LI>1/4 mile runs in the mid-13s @ ~90-100mph

Essentially the car will knock a Ferrari F355 senseless... and it weighs 2 tons+, can carry 5 people and their luggage, and is perfectly happy cruising @ 130mph all day...

//EDIT: Forgot to mention... the key (which is IR btw... there is no metal key) has a button to open the trunk... big whoop right? You misunderstand- you press and hold the button, and the trunk opens completely by itself. You then press a button in the trunk to close it...
I also forgot to mention the doors, which wil close and latch themselves if you shut them to the point where you hear the latch click but not engage...

[Geeky1]

And finally:

Here's my dad's car. I've only driven it 3 times, and just to school and back, but even doing a total of like 50 miles on surface streets, I've managed to surprise myself a few times. There have been about 6 instances where I've chirped the tires accelerating out of a corner totally unintentionally because the thing has a buttload more torque than my 560 does.

<ul>Relevant specs:
<li>1979 Mercedes 450SEL 6.9
<li>6.9L/417Cu in. DOHC V8 with dry-sump oiling
<ul><li>I should explain dry-sump oiling. Essentially, instead of a conventional system where the oil sits in an oil pan under the crankshaft, the oil is removed from the oil pan (it's stored in an external reservoir) filtered, pressurized, and sprayed onto the crank/rods/pistons using atomizing nozzles. It then drips into the oil pan, where it is immediately sucked out to begin the cycle again. The advantage of this system is that it eliminates windage and the consequent loss of horsepower, and it allows the engine to run at redline (5500rpms) for hours upon hours on end without a problem. The only other production car that I'm aware of that had dry-sump oiling was the 427 cobra, although I think some Ferraris and other exotics might use it as well.
</UL>
<LI>250HP @ 5000rpm, 360ft/lb @ 2500rpm (US Spec models)
<LI>3-speed automatic
<ul><li>the 3-speed auto it has was the only transmission Mercedes had at the time that could handle the torque. Interestingly enough, the gearing is very close to the 560's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears, and the 6.9 starts in 1st, while the 560 starts in 2nd unless you really punch it, so it makes for convenient comparison of acceleration- the 6.9 is faster.
</ul>
<li>fully independent hydropneumatic self-leveling suspension; the suspension automatically compensates for lateral acceleration, acceleration and deceleration to keep the car as near to totally level as possible at all times. The car handles better than the 560, which is 7 years newer and has better tires/wheels.
<li>4400lbs (1979 US model)
<li>0-60MPH rated @ 7.2s
<li>140MPH top speed, redline limited.
</ul>
Notes
The car is faster and handles better than my 560. It's a lot of fun to drive as well. Those of you that've seen Ronin should recognize it, because the 'Benz doing the burnouts and chasing the A8 and stuff in that movie is a 6.9, and afaik, the one in the movie is bone stock- it's perfectly capable of those massive burnouts in real life (haven't tried it- yet :D)

[Thrax]

<b><font size=6 color=red>AHEM http://short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=10263#post10263 *COUGH*</b></font>

[Geeky1]

so? :D

[a2jfreak]

That was my intention: To steer this over there, w/out coming off like a pompous jerk by it seeming like I was saying "look, we already have this thread."

[Geeky1]

Yeah, I realize that... I just don't see how it's an issue. :confused: Oh well...

[Kwitko]

Problem solved. Threads merged.

[a2jfreak]

Geeky: It wasn't so much that it's an issue, I just thought it would be easier so that we didn't have two competing threads and so that people wouldn't start re-posting pictures (taking up server space). Anyway, no big deal. Thread's been merged anyway so I guess it doesn't matter now.

BTW: The White Mercedes is nice . . . I just wish it didn't have the hood ornament. The Benz logo would look better in the grill, like the car beside the white one.

[Geeky1]

That can be done, actually. There are a number of companies out there that offer what amounts to a conversion kit to do just that:

<a href="http://www.performanceproducts.com/ProductPage.aspx?productname=S-Class+Sport+Grille+(W220)&productid=109654&producttype=20">like this one, for example</a>

[dak125]

Not sure if we're not supposed to post pics on this thread anymore or not :confused: so edit if need be. But anyways, here's my car.

-1995 Z28 Camaro
-5.7 Litre LT1
-285 HP, 325 Ft/LBS Torque
-6 speed manual transmission
-T-tops
-Hurst shifter and Lou Salzano's short stick
-Flowmaster American Thunder catback

In storage for the winter/school.

The Dakmobile :thumbsup:

[dak125]

And the original Dakmobile. Unfortunately no longer with us :(.

[Rot Katze]

I like your old one better :(

new one is sweet though :thumbsup:

[dak125]

Rot Katze had this to say
I like your old one better :(

new one is sweet though :thumbsup:

Yeah it was my baby. You should have seen it after the accident :bawling:. BTW it was not my fault at all, the person who hit me couldn't speak a word of English, but luckily she had insurance.

The new one deffinetly has more punch and is more reliable and more modern :p. But, both of them were great cars. (The Iroc was a 5 speed too, original owner as well *sighs*)

[Rot Katze]

ah..well

when your ready to trade I bet you could get a good deal on a 2001 or 2002 Z28 or SS..heh

[dak125]

Rot Katze had this to say
ah..well

when your ready to trade I bet you could get a good deal on a 2001 or 2002 Z28 or SS..heh

This one's staying with me for a long time. I'm looking for 130,000 miles+. It's currently at 71,000, bought it with 48,000. If I go the Camaro route I think I'd have to get the 99 Hugger Orange SS. If I go the Trans Am/Firebird route it's gotta be the Firehawk.

[GHoosdum]

dak: Nice car. Yup this thread is the place to post it.

eh... nice Avatar, too!

[dak125]

GHoosdum had this to say
dak: Nice car. Yup this thread is the place to post it.

eh... nice Avatar, too!

Thanks on both. I'm a fan of them myself :vimp:

[DogSoldier]

Here's my ride.

Roomier than most of the stuff I've seen posted, and very reliable.

[Rot Katze]

Guess I should "officially" add mine..

1984 Chevrolet El Camino

- 350 c.i. High-Output V8 Engine (Just put in)
- Holley 650cfm carb
- Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifold
- Stock heads
- Comp Cam
- 3.08 Limited slip rear
- P245/60R15 BFG radial T/A's
- Flowmaster dual exhaust
- Lotta other little things..no need putting on here ;)

has about 700 miles on her w/ the new engine.

[Gargoyle]

I just bought a new (old) car. Proper pics coming on Monday when I pick it up.

1967 Volvo 122S. Ahh... the classic smoothness.

Got it for cheap, but it needs some cosmetic work. Powertrain is in great shape! It's got a brand new carb. I just need to get it painted, a stereo installed, the parking brake fixed, the heater fixed (probably wiring), and the turn signals fixed (wiring).

This pic's taken with my weency camera that's on my phone. It tinted everything a little pink. I assure you, my car is NOT pink. My Toyota is in the background. I'll keep the Camry through the winter, until the Volvo is all fixed up, and I'm halfway decent at driving it.

[Geeky1]

My 6th grade teacher had a volvo similar to that. It had >400,000 miles on it when I was in 6th grade... I'm now in 12th, and I THINK he still drives it.

[Gargoyle]

[Warning: Rant ahead]

Operation: Get Volvo from Tulsa,
An utter failure.
Operation: Drive It Until It Overheats,
Complete Success!

The rainstorm almost stopped the trip back from Tulsa (Tulsa to Norman OK, about 2 hours at 60-75mph). The windshield wipers were shot, and of course Auto Zone didn't have such an old part in stock. The rain cleared up, and so we decided to make an effort on the turnpike.

My roommate's (Buddy Jesus) father drove the Volvo. Not far from Tulsa, the car overheated. When it finally cooled down, we decided to take it off the freeway into the small town at the exit and regroup. While we were stopped on the side of the road, I managed to drain the battery in my Toyota. Of course I didn't realize this until I tried to start it, and by then the Volvo was out of sight. I then waited for a little over an hour for the Highway Patrol to jump my battery. I have a cold now.

I left the 122 in a parking lot in a tiny town. Now I have to find a way of towing it back to my place and get it fixed up. Really, the only time I have to do it is Christmas Eve, or else wait another week, and the gas station probably won't want it there that long.

But DAMMIT, it's going to be one SEXY car when I get it fixed up! (This is what I've got to keep telling myself)

My poor car, left all alone...

[GHoosdum]

Good luck, Garg... classic cars can be a pain, but they can also give you such a sense of pride and accomplishment when you drive the finished product: "I made this!"

[Geeky1]

Actually, I think in Garg's case, the feeling he'll get when he drives it after he restores it is more like "ooooh sh!t... it's not supposed to do that" ;) ;D

[mcwc]

Gargoyle, glad to know you are picking up an old Volvo to fix up and preserve. That is one Volvo that I really want myself. Have fun fixing her up. Hope you can build her up to be a badass car like this 122S, Volper 122S (http://www.swedespeed.com/news/publish/Features/article_31.html). Check out Vintage Performance Developments (http://www.v-performance.com) for vintage Volvo performance parts and ipd (http://www.ipdusa.com) for your other Volvo needs. Vintage Performance does have a intercooled supercharger system for the B18/B20 :thumbsup:.

Join Turbobricks' (http://forums.turbobricks.com) and Swedespeed's (http://forums.swedespeed.com/) forums.

[CB]

In case anybody would like to see, I just took pictures of the Civic that I'm trying to sell.

I drove this car for a long time, and She's just about to reach the 200k mark...

Lots of memories with that car...:(

[GHoosdum]

Hmm.... looks better in photos! ;)

[289Mustang]

Here's my daily driver '89 Mustang LX Coupe 5.0:

Stock 5.0L engine with 160,000+ miles
Stock AOD
Underdrive pullies
Full exhaust system replacement with 2 1/2 in. pipe, shorty header and 2 chamber flowmasters
4.10 gears out back
Electric fan
Tranny cooler (needed for what I have in mind for the future)
K&N air filter :D

Custom painted stock 10 hole wheels :thumbsup:

Runs 14.8@93mph in the 1/4 before I put the pullies on

http://home.neb.rr.com/hildharre/stang/car-with-10holes.gif

[289Mustang]

My project 1966 Ford Mustang Coupe Springtime Yellow

302 small block Ford out of a '68 Ranchero
C4 automatic transmission
2.80 rear end
No power steering, brakes, or A/C (Just the way I like it)

Modifications
Holley 4-barrel 600cfm w/ vacuum secondaries
Edelbrock Performer intake manifold
K&N 14"x3" air filter :D
Accel Super Coil (too big, looking to switch)
Hooker Competition Headers (ceramic-coated)
Custom 2-1/4" dual exhaust
Flowmaster 3-chamber mufflers
1" dia. front sway bar
KYB Gas-a-just shocks
Slightly stiffer rear springs
Front disc brakes from a 75-79 V8 Granada
Entire front and rear suspension replacement from Canadian Mustang

I need to get a driver's seat to replace 1 of 2 passenger seats I currently have :shakehead

http://home.neb.rr.com/hildharre/stang/mystangsmall.jpg

[CB]

GHoosdum had this to say
Hmm.... looks better in photos! ;)


You were always jelous of how pretty she was, you can't hide it.

[Clutch]

w00t another yellow mustang lover :) I miss my old yellow stang :(

[289Mustang]

I didn't really go looking for that color, it just kind of worked out that way. Especially the '89, I've never seen another Mustang that color from those years and only one Crown Vic that was the same color. Everyone thinks it's ugly and therefore slow :rarr:

[Gargoyle]

mcwc had this to say
Gargoyle, glad to know you are picking up an old Volvo to fix up and preserve. That is one Volvo that I really want myself. Have fun fixing her up. Hope you can build her up to be a badass car like this 122S, Volper 122S (http://www.swedespeed.com/news/publish/Features/article_31.html). Check out Vintage Performance Developments (http://www.v-performance.com) for vintage Volvo performance parts and ipd (http://www.ipdusa.com) for your other Volvo needs. Vintage Performance does have a intercooled supercharger system for the B18/B20 :thumbsup:.

Join Turbobricks' (http://forums.turbobricks.com) and Swedespeed's (http://forums.swedespeed.com/) forums.

Thanks for the forum links mcwc! I was wondering if there was a community out there that had heard of my big overheating piece of Swedish love!

I've got the IPD catalogue (actually Buddy Jesus ran off with it, that punk), and I'm about to have to order some parts. Gonna start with the necessary stuff, and hopefully get it to look something like that sexy blue one you linked, someday. I think in a twisted way, finding out that there was an available supercharger talked me into buying this car. The Japanese cars I was dreaming on had available forced air, so in choosing the Volvo I wasn't loosing out on anything. Too bad I'll be older and in danger of being wiser by the time I can afford the supercharger. It's way too tempting to just put it on the credit card now and pay for it... forever :D.

[Clutch]

Yellow mustangs are soo sexy to me. And as long as they think it is slow, that could be our little secret, hehe

[RWB]

289Mustang had this to say
Here's my daily driver '89 Mustang LX Coupe 5.0:

Stock 5.0L engine with 160,000+ miles
Stock AOD
Underdrive pullies
Full exhaust system replacement with 2 1/2 in. pipe, shorty header and 2 chamber flowmasters
4.10 gears out back
Electric fan
Tranny cooler (needed for what I have in mind for the future)
K&amp;N air filter :D

Custom painted stock 10 hole wheels :thumbsup:

Runs 14.8@93mph in the 1/4 before I put the pullies on

http://home.neb.rr.com/hildharre/stang/car-with-10holes.gif

Can't help but notice the S-10 there, what year is it? Any MODs? I am a big 1st Gen S-10 Fanboy :)

[289Mustang]

It's a '92 Sonoma with a 4.3 that is my stepdad's. The only mod really is the Pontiac rally wheels he put on it. I guess there is a bed cover too. There is also a bunch of small stuff like fog lights and crap that he makes because he's too cheap to go buy it and have it done in 1/5 of the time.

[pushVTEC]

My baby:

2000 Honda Prelude base
Apexi V-AFC
AEM underdrive pullies
Cold air intake

http://community.webshots.com/s/image6/5/64/44/76356444fjTdVF_ph.jpg
http://community.webshots.com/s/image6/5/67/33/76356733GXIekh_ph.jpg

[Geeky1]

Nice Red Xs there, VTEC... ;D

[Gargoyle]

At the risk of trying to swedize the thread, one more post on my Volvo now that I have it home with the camera :D

My 1967 Volvo 122S :sweflag:

B18 Engine (1780cc, OHV).
Not sure which revision: power could be anywhere between 80 and 120 hp, but one thing is for certain: it has a healthy torque curve!

4spd Manual, no overdrive.

It needs lots of love though.
Short list:

Cosmetic:
Obviously needs paint.
Replace front bumper with air dam or re-chrome front bumper.
Straighten grill.
Get hood latch to work again (fabrication?).
Remove dent in rear bumper.
Remove rust near bottom of doors and inside engine compartment.
New Minilite or Panasport rims (with wider tires in back)
Right away:
Front and rear bushings (all) Ordered 1/15/04 Installed 2/27/04
Lock set Ordered 1/15/04
Emergency brake
Heater
Turn signals
Brake lights New Fuses 2/24/04
Radiator hose Installed 1/23/04
Thermostat Installed 1/23/04
Eventually:
Radio, Speakers (sometime after new locks and before paint)
Complete new exhaust
Supercharger (http://www.v-performance.com/products.html) :D
Added to list
Oil Filters Ordered 1/15/04
Door Panel Removal Tool Ordered 1/15/04
Door Handles Removal Tool Ordered 1/15/04
Haynes Manual Ordered 1/15/04
Wiper Blades Ordered 1/15/04 Installed
Wiper Arms Ordered 1/15/04 Installed
New Tailpipe (mysteriously missing... and muffler's in center of car. No me gusta Carbon Monoxide)
Fix gas guage, speedometer.
New Starter Installed 7/04/05
Brake Job

Parts ordered 1/15/04 received 1/22/04 from IPD (with exception of backordered lock set). Locks received 2/18/04.

I'm declaring the overheating problem fixed :D


6/28/04
Currently, it's not starting. The credit card has been taken out of it's holster, and I'm gonna throw parts at my Swedish death trap until it cooperates.

10/3/04
I've purchased a SWEM Kit bracket that allows me to attach an AC Delco alternator to replace the inefficient generator system in the car. I was about to install it, but I'm close to fixing the not-starting problem. Will replace starter solenoid soon, and hope to have the car running reliably again by November.

12/26/04
Well, I'm moving and I can't take it with me if it doesn't run. A friend of my Dad's is supposedly going to work on it for me. If he can at least get it to run, then hopefully I'll have the cash to do the rest. I've had the car about a year now, and I've only got to drive it a few times. It still has the original tank of gas in it. :(

07/04/05
IT LIVES!!! A new starter was all that it needed. I could kick myself. $60 part and it's up and running after more than a year. I put a little more than a mile on it doing figure eights in the backyard, and then once around the block. It's currently in Dallas, and it still needs a few things to be roadworthy for the long drive to northern New Mexico. The project is under way again :thumbsup:

[MrBill]

Why does that car remind me of Columbo? :D

I think he actually drove a Nash, but it looks similar.


My ride (2003 Impala) is at the collision center. My son ran into the back of a semi on the interstate December 30th. Initial estimate before tear down: $8,312.00 :eek2:

[Geeky1]

Judging by the size of that engine compartment relative to the engine, rather than supercharging the 4, why not put the engine out of an 850R in it or something? :D

[mcwc]

Yeah, and you'll need to find a suitable RWD tranny for the turbo inline-5. I think a tranny from late model 960 fits. Fitting a turbo inline-5 requires more work than supercharging the B18. I rather have a B21FT, B23FT or B230FT (turbo inline-4's) stuffed into a 122 than a B5234FT (turbo inline-5), but I say, supercharge the B18!

[Rot Katze]

That Volvo makes an awesome sleeper if you can make it go.

[Gargoyle]

I'd absolutely LOVE to go stomp some Civic with it :D

In a little over a year, hopefully I'll be employed somewhere, doing something related to my degree, and making the average salary, which should give me enough extra dough to blow on the Volvo.

I've read somewhere that the B20 (which I believe is different only due to displacement, which I can increase with a kit) can be tuned to about 200hp without forced air (pretty damned impressive I'd say - only NA engine I know of with the displacement-to-power ratio like that is the Celica engine that's also used in the new Lotus Elise). The article in question said that it also has a habit of tearing up the rear end. I should probably look for a rear end from an 1800 (early Volvo sports car, very sexy). Apprently it's beefier, bolts right in, and has disc brakes.

I'm a little skeptical of getting 200hp out of a natuarally aspirated B20, but I know that I can get at least 150hp out of the B18 without beefing up the internals, and 200hp should be reachable with a little more work. :D Edit: with the supercharger of course.

To make use of the power, I've read that there's an adapter plate that allows the use of a 5-spd Mustang tranny. I should be able to find one of them at a salvage yard somewhere. I'd like to do it as soon as possible, at freeway speeds, the 4-spd isn't fuel efficient and it runs the engine at a noisy 5000rpm.

[Geeky1]

mcwc... most of that went over my head (I do Mercedes engine codes, not Volvo engine codes...) :D BUT half the fun is in making it work. Hell, he could always use an engine out of a 740 Turbo, altho I think those are front wheel drive anyhow...

[madmat]

The heck with the 4 lunger, put a small block chevy with alloy heads and a paxton supercharger under that hood and a narrowed ford 9" out back and really screw with some people.

[Rot Katze]

damn that would be some modding

[mcwc]

Gargoyle: Do you have the link on the 200HP B20?
Here are some pictures of a Ford T-5 on a M46 bellhousing http://www.pbase.com/dkauer744/t5&page=all, and some T-5 swap info http://forums.turbobricks.com/viewtopic.php?t=10633.

Geeky: Ummm..... 740's are RWD. 850's are the first FWD Volvo models in North America. Any model introductions since the 850 series are FWD and later, AWD.

I want Volvo to build RWD bricks again :bawling:. Perhaps a new 240Ti with all the goodies. A red block with stronger rods, a bigger turbo, larger fuel injectors, better intercooler, bigger sways, Polaris rims, glass headlight assemblies, LSD, 16V head, M90 5-speed, etc. :drool:

madmat: I'm not sure if a SBC can be shoehorned into a 122 but I definitely know that a 350 SBC or a Ford 302 can be shoehorned into the 200, 700 and 900 series Volvos. There has been thoughts going through my head about acquiring a 242 and shoehorn a 350 SBC with a Ford 9" :bigggrin:.

[Geeky1]

Hmm. I didn't know the 740 was RWD. Oh well... that's an option then. My friend's 740 Turbo wagon is pretty fast... it's probably roughly on par with my 'Benz, and with that kind of power, that little Volvo Gargoyle has should do a pretty decent impression of a rocket sled... (I assume it only weighs like 2500lbs, right? It doesn't look that big in the pics...)

[mcwc]

According to this site (http://billgarland.mcmaster.ca/volvo/volvohome.htm, a 120 sedan is about 2360lbs.

[Geeky1]

And it turns out the 740 Turbo is good for 165HP. I thought it had more than that, but then I didn't think the wagon only weighed 3000lbs, either. That explains why it feels about as fast as the 'Benz... the 'Benz has a power/weight ratio of ~17.5lbs/hp, while the Volvo's is 18.2, so they're fairly close.

Regardless, with 165HP in a 2360lb car, you're still talking ~14lbs/hp, which is pretty good. If you can get 236hp+ into that thing... :D

[mcwc]

236HP+ @ the crank is looks attainable out of a turbo red block.

Some dyno sheets.
http://forums.turbobricks.com/viewtopic.php?t=14075&highlight=dyno
http://www3.sympatico.ca/borism/WheelDyno/

Note: The Volvo's that were dyno'ed aren't stock. Two of them are B230F+Ti, turbo'ed NA engines, (linuxman51's and issac's car from the first link). They are running more boost or even a bigger turbo, larger cams, more fuel, and other mods.

/me hopes this is not giving Gargoyle any ideas :wink:

[Buddy J]

MCWC - do you read Grassroots Motorsports? They did a nice buildup of a 122s for an SCCA auto-x'er and are now working on a 142.

http://www.classicmotorsports.net/142.html
http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com/volvo122s.html

If you want snazzy stuff besides from ipd, try www.v-performance.com
They have the supercharger and some other killer stuff.

Hopefully someday I'll have a nice sleeper like what Garg is building, but until then, I'm stuck with an 87 Tercel that is bone stock (until I get some chash or sell it). Luckily, Garg has a project I can work on to satisfy my old foreign car needs... Until I get my Volvo, Saab, MG or Mini!

[mcwc]

I knew about their 122S but I didn't know that they are building a 142. I'm waiting for the issue for the article on some kicking turbo bricks and buy my first copy of Grassroots Motorsports.

[Geeky1]

Buddy Jesus... you can't drive a STOCK tercel. Spend $40 or whatever and get one of <a href="http://www.optxbystreetglow.com/ledexhausttip.htm">these</a>

:D

[mcwc]

:wtf:
Why don't you just tell Buddy to do the whole kabudo(sp?)!

[qwikk]

since my car doesn't quite run and it's a piece, this is what I've got.

[qwikk]

was apt on getting a 93/4 B3 Passat Wagon VR6 5-speed, but both I've seen around here got sold too fast (and they're rare as hell), so I might just go with this.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1181434
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid97/pd0a26524bc136918d8f2b210b212a8b8/fa05e168.jpg

with big plans:
VR6 engine
body mods as generally follows
http://www.hostdub.com/albums/DEGTIVR6_album02/daniel_020.jpg
probably different grill, tails, wheels and some eurobumpers, and I'd call it a day. ;)

[RWB]

1991 Chevy S-10 4.3L V6 TBI Tahoe Edition :ninja:

[Black Hawk]

with big plans:
VR6 engine
body mods as generally follows
http://www.hostdub.com/albums/DEGTIVR6_album02/daniel_020.jpgDunno why but I've always loved that model.

[a2jfreak]

RWB: Is this the same truck you're thinking about putting spacers on?
If so, I'd say no. Those tires are too thin, it would just look odd. Buy some new wheels and tires that are thicker and it will look a lot nicer. Though I do like the look of the wheels you currently have . . . maybe those wheels will support wider tires?

[WuGgaRoO]

here r my rides... and they transform!!

[dragonV8]

Lots of nice rides in this thread. Thought i'd add mine.
95 Ford Falcon, XR8, 302 Windsor, 4 speed slushbox, lowered.
Only mod sofar is the exhaust. Ripped it all off, put Pacemaker headers on and a stainless 2 1/2" twin system with mandrel bends. Maybe tomorrow my under-drive pulley kit arrives. Factory output is 228 HP (170KW) at the flywheel. After exhaust and pulley kit it should be 268 HP (200KW).
Owned it from new, nearly 9 years. (My Baby). hehehe :rockon:

Jon

[Buddy J]

Those windsors are a nice engine. Slick ride.

[GnomeWizardd]

well its been posted in another thread but here it is! 2004 F-150 V8 4.6L
( OMG fed ex just pulled up! )

[Gargoyle]

Nice truck Gnome. The new F150 looks pretty good. It'd look even better with aftermarket rims :D

[KingFish]

This is my ride, a 97 Nissan 240SX SE. Great handling car and decent power for a 4 cylinder normally aspirated motor.

What's your license plate number in case I encounter it in Lake Charles? Hehe
Also, your inspection sticker was expired in the photo. It looks like 1/03 expiration, photo taken in april of '03. 'Sup with that? Just kidding. C'mon over to Lake Chuck anytime, ticket free.

KingFish

[dragonV8]

Love your truck Wizardd. As stated, after market rims would really set it off.

LOVE the badge on the front.:clap:

[GHoosdum]

man, dragonV8, they say OZ gets all the good cars, but damn is your car COOL!

[Buddy J]

I think I'll go to Australia some day just so I can have some cool cars.

I'll take a Mini, Starlet, Cortina, Capri, Skyline, and Moreno plz.

[dragonV8]

Holden (GMH) have a performance side called HSV. the top model = 300KW (402HP).

Fords Performance side is FPV. Top model is the GT & GT-P(more luxurious) 290KW (389HP). Chev 5.7
Both vehicles come out of the factory like that running rich. With some after market tweaking and exhaust mods a lot more can be extracted from them. Quad cam 5.4

The HSV Monaro is now being sold in the States as a Pontiac GTO, i believe.

Being a bit one-eyed towards Ford, dont know too much about the newer Holdens.

When it comes to Rice, i'd say we get pretty much what everyone else gets, though may have been re-badged to suit the market.

My son has the latest Ford XR8 ute. (performace falcon). this has as standard the 260KW (348HP) quad cam 5.4 . He ordered it with the GT engine specs, Had the complete exhaust changed over, cold air induction (Not forced) and it should produce around 350KW (469HP). All figueres quoted are at the flywheel.

As you may be able to gather, i'm a bit fanatical towards V8's.

[Buddy J]

My brother-in-law's best friend came to visit us from Oz and he showed me the HSV. Man is that cool. AFIK, the GTO here is the same or slightly more poserful than the modern Moreno, but the GTO looks crappy. It doesn't have the same front end.

I'm more into classics and retro cars than the modern ones. Retro Cars magazine did a photo essay on some of the older stuff down under and boy is it impressive. Also, lots of the brit car people import cars from there due to how little rust many of your cars have. Seems to be an automotive mecca to me.

[Rot Katze]

I would love to have an Ute SS

[GHoosdum]

The Ute XR8 rocks!

Actually I like the passenger Falcon A LOT! I'd love to have an XR8 - but unfortunately I live in the US... I was just browsing around www.ford.com.au and man those cars are cool!

[Geeky1]

Well, I finally got the performance data for my car (out of a 1987 Car & Driver):

Time to Speed:
0-30 2.6s
0-40 3.8s
0-50 5.3s
0-60 7.0s
0-70 9.3s
0-80 12.0s
0-90 15.5s
0-100 19.6s
0-110 25.6s
0-120 36.7s

1/4: 15.5s @ 90mph

300' Skidpad: 0.78G

For a 4200lb car, that's not bad at all. Especially for a car that was built in the '80s. 0-60 in 7s for a 4200lb car made in the 1980s is absolutely incredible. IIRC, 305/350 Camaro/Firebirds did it in 7.5 or so, at best.

I also can't get over the roadholding. 0.78Gs of lateral acceleration out of a 4200lb car with 1980s tire technology? :eek:

[a2jfreak]

What car is it, Geeky1? What are the specs?

[Geeky1]

The test car was an '87 560SEL; Mine is an '86. Identical except for the year and possibly body color and an option or two.

Specs:
1986 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL, U.S. spec
~130,000 miles
5.6L/~348ci V8
238hp @ 4800rpm**
287ft/lb @ 3500rpm**
6000rpm maximum engine speed
4 speed auto
Independent F&R suspension w/hydropneumatic self-leveling rear end
10.9/11" F/R ABS Disc brakes
Weight: 4125lbs
140MPH Top speed

** With the kind of performance Car & Driver saw, the U.S. cars are obviously somewhat under-rated. The euro-spec cars were rated at 300hp and had factory quoted 0-60 times of 7.2s. The U.S. spec cars were quoted at 8s. If the U.S. cars do it in 7 (which I know they do, based both on Car & Driver's tests, and my own), they have to have at least ~260HP from what I've read.

[Geeky1]

And here are some updated pix of my car. It's dirty... it's been really hot here lately (like 90*F every day for the past two weeks), so there's all sorts of pollen and crap in the air. I'll wash and wax it this weekend or next, tho, so...

Oh, and yes, some dipsh!t stole my hood ornament. :mad:

[madmat]

I can tell you where the hood ornament went, some jerk's wearing as a medalion now.

[Clutch]

Looks good Geeky, now tint them windows bro :)

[KingFish]

Nice ride! I'll trade my Crown Vic for it.

KingFish

[Geeky1]

Madmat: Most likely, yes. Oh well. Good excuse to get a new one that's even shinier, right? :D

Clutch & KingFish: Thanks. I have a bit more work than just tinted windows in mind, tho. I'm thinking more along the lines of the car in the attached pics. I don't know everything the owner has done to it, but I do know that it's a Euro-spec 560SEL (signal lights on front fenders, euro headlights & bumpers, plus the fact that the owner lives in Australia, I believe). It has AMG wheels on it, what appears to be a Remus muffler, and it looks like it probably has an Eibach (or similar) set of lowering springs on it as well. It also has clear front turn signals, and clear/red taillights. Oh, and a tow bar.

I'm planning on doing basically the same thing when I get the money (including converting to the euro-spec lights & bumpers and having mine painted black), but I won't be using the clear taillights, I don't plan on having a tow bar, and instead of a remus muffler, I'm planning on an entirely new custom exhaust system with 2"-2.5" stainless pipes, dual flowmaster 70 series mufflers, dual magnaflow cats, and headers.

[Geeky1]

And I forgot the pics :doh:

[KingFish]

They look fit for a foreign diplomat. Very regal indeed.

KingFish

[Geeky1]

I'm probably the last person on earth to see the Matrix (the original one)- I saw it last Friday- and it reminded me of something: The ~'61-'65 Continentals looked badass.

Especially when done like the one in these pics. I don't like the wheels as much as say, those AMG ones on the 'Benz, but that's just a matter of getting the right wheels...

Anyhow, this thing looks almost as good as, possibly better than, that 'Benz...

[289Mustang]

I would kill for a Continental. Suicide doors > all :D

[madmat]

Hey Geeky, if you have a car alarm (and having a nice car in the Bay Area I sure hope you do) you can get an accessory that will have your hood ornament covered when it's armed.
I'm going to post a pic of a car like my old Grand Prix that I hopped up and tore around the Central Valley with in my youth...the only real difference is mine was maroon and had a vinyl top

[Geeky1]

This is my grandmother's car; since there's only one or two (really crappy) pictures of it in here already, and she happened to be at my house today, I took a few more.

It's a 2003 S600.
<UL>
Specs:
<LI>5.8L V12, 362HP, ~400ft/lbs of torque, runs on 6cyl most of the time, with the other 6 being enabled if you need all 362HP; the computer is constantly altering which cylinders are "off" and which are "on"
<LI>5 speed auto w/ "touchshift" manumatic mode
<LI>Hydropneumatic, active self-leveling suspension front & rear. Not only does the suspension adjust for varying loads (passengers, cargo, etc.) but because it's what's known as an "active" suspension, it constantly corrects for acceleration, deceleration, and lateral acceleration to keep the car virtually dead flat in all but the most extreme circumstances.
<LI>AMG Sport package, incl. body kit, sport exhaust, and 18" AMG Monoblock alloys w/low-profile high-performance tires
<LI>Heated, cooled power seats front & rear w/massage function
<LI>4-zone climate control (front l&r, rear l&r)
<LI>COMAND system w/GPS, hands-free phone, radio, 6 cd changer
<LI>Bose audio
<LI>Parktronic parking assistance (indicates distance to the car in front of you/behind you)
<LI> ~4000-4500lbs, can't remember exactly

Performance:
<LI>0-60MPH in 5.4s (C&D, R&T)
w/o the limiter, the top speed is in the neighborhood of 170mph
<LI>1/4 mile runs in the mid-13s @ ~90-100mph+
</UL>

[Geeky1]

Madmat: Nice Pontiac! :thumbsup:

BTW, yeah, my car has an alarm, but the factory alarm is very basic. I don't think it detects anything other than doors, trunk, gas tank filler lid, and ignition being used without the correct key. I've been thinking about alarming the hood ornament, tho... :)

[Clutch]

Your grandmother has a very nice benz there Geeky. I can see your family has the love for Benz eh. Which is a good thing, don't get me wrong.

[Dragstk]

I didn't realize that so many of you were so into cars. :thumbsup:
Here is my summer ride, now in storage :sad2:
Currently, I'm driving my winter rat, a '95 Nissan 200SX SER, w/165000 miles on it.
[IMG]

[Geeky1]

Nice. Is it stock, or what?

[Dragstk]

Thanks Geeky
Yes, all stock, . 2 wheel drive, lowered 2", 16" wheels, fender flares, spoiler, stripes. it's an X-treme version.

[Gargoyle]

I could probably look it up, but given my laziness, what kind of engine do those trucks have in them?

[Geeky1]

An internal combustion one. :nudge: ;D

[Gargoyle]

Sounds fancy. Is that what your Benz uses too? Or have German engineers perfected cold fusion? :wink:

[Geeky1]

I hear it's in the prototype stages. Give it 5 years. ;D

[Dragstk]

Gargoyle
It has the big V-6, but i'm not sure of the displacement 4.3 L. maybe??

[Gargoyle]

Sounds about right. I think that's what my roommate has in his S-10 Blazer, and it hauls balls for such a big car. Stomps my Dad's Explorer, although my Dad's V8 actually has a smidge less displacement.

[289Mustang]

Yes, 4.3L is a 350 with 2 cyliders chopped off.

[derek]

1 of mine :vimp:

derek

[GnomeWizardd]

might i ask HOW THE HELL DO YOU GET IT ON THOSE ROCKS LIKE THAT!???