No chance

[Lincoln]

Ballmer (http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/management/2007-04-29-ballmer-ceo-forum-usat_N.htm), circa 4/29/07: "There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance." It now outsells all Windows Mobile devices combined. (via DF (http://daringfireball.net/))

[fatcat]

the interview: CEO Forum: Microsoft's Ballmer having a 'great time' (http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/management/2007-04-29-ballmer-ceo-forum-usat_N.htm)

the question/answer:
Q: People get passionate when Apple comes out with something new — the iPhone; of course, the iPod. Is that something that you'd want them to feel about Microsoft?

A: It's sort of a funny question. Would I trade 96% of the market for 4% of the market? (Laughter.) I want to have products that appeal to everybody.

Now we'll get a chance to go through this again in phones and music players. There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item. They may make a lot of money. But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold, I'd prefer to have our software in 60% or 70% or 80% of them, than I would to have 2% or 3%, which is what Apple might get.

In the case of music, Apple got out early. They were the first to really recognize that you couldn't just think about the device and all the pieces separately. Bravo. Credit that to Steve (Jobs) and Apple. They did a nice job.

But it's not like we're at the end of the line of innovation that's going to come in the way people listen to music, watch videos, etc. I'll bet our ads will be less edgy. But my 85-year-old uncle probably will never own an iPod, and I hope we'll get him to own a Zune.

[Snarkasm]

Is there any data or numbers anywhere that will actually show me that the iPhone has outsold WM?

Not that I doubt it, but I haven't seen any numbers in any of these links.

[Lincoln]

Yus. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/12/14/canalys-symbian-apple-iphone-already-leads-windows-mobile-in-us-market-share-q3-2007/

[Snarkasm]

Gotcha. Nice.

[Kwitko]

It doesn't surprise me. I own a Motorola Q with Windows Mobile 5. Worst. Portable. OS. Evar. No copy/cut and paste unless you get 3rd party software. WTF???

[Snarkasm]

Well, the iPhone can't do it at all, and there is no third-party software, so take your pick, I guess.

[Thrax]

Or you can get a Blackberry Curve, and do everything the iPhone and windows mobile can do.

[mas0n]

It doesn't surprise me. I own a Motorola Q with Windows Mobile 5. Worst. Portable. OS. Evar. No copy/cut and paste unless you get 3rd party software. WTF???

You need to blame Motorola for that. The Q is one of 4 WM5 devices i have owned and it is the only one w/o cut, copy, or paste.

[Shorty]

Or you can get a Blackberry Curve, and do everything the iPhone and windows mobile can do.
Yarp. I have one of those and iphone still sucks.

[Black Hawk]

HTC 8525 (mine) > Blackberry Pearl (dad's) > *

God I hate the OS on the blackberry. What's so wrong with WM6? With third party software, I can watch dvix/xvid, play SNES roms, gigs of music, MS office apps, Opera mobile, wardriving, gps nav (with external reciever), internet gateway and much more I haven't bothered to find. Can the iPod do that?

[Thrax]

Pearl <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Curve

[Black Hawk]

Edit: My dad used to have a Pearl, he now has a Curve for which he uses none of it's features :banghead:. I think he got a pda/smartphone for the hell of it.

Still meant the HTC > Blackberry thing. :p

[Thrax]

What don't you like about RIM's OS?

[Black Hawk]

What don't you like about RIM's OS?
It feels like going from Windows to Ubuntu. Took me a thread and 20 questions so I could change the resolution. That's not even mentioning all the time it took me to figure out that sudo stuff.

Took forever to figure out how to setup a POP3 email account and I hated how I had to create a RIM account (or was it AT&T?). All of his inboxes on the front screen? On top of that, the media player sucks.

I guess it's just that I'm used to windows and windows mobile is an extension of that. Hit "Start", "Programs", etc.

[mas0n]

Took forever to figure out how to setup a POP3 email account and I hated how I had to create a RIM account (or was it AT&T?)

I have to agree with you there, I don't like the method of configuring mail accounts on a Blackberry, but otherwise I have to say that I really like them. I'll probably continue to use Windows Mobile into the foreseeable future for myself, but I get BB for most of my clients. They "just work."

[Kwitko]

What's so wrong with WM6?

What's wrong is that Motorola hasn't yet made an upgrade available from WM5.

[Black Hawk]

Have you checked Motorola user forums? My phone had an unofficial tweaked WM6 rom over 6 months ago but the official release was like a month ago.

[Kwitko]

I would need to update to the Q9.

Do you have a link to a good user forum?

[Black Hawk]

You could try here (http://www.everythingq.com/forum/).

[Kwitko]

Ain't happenin'. Looks like the only way to get WM6 is get the Q9.