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Dragonofthedarkness
1 Dec 2003, 12:14am
Well I like my case I have now, but it just didnt seem to have the airflow I wanted or any good places to mod it to instal more fans. So when I saw the Thermaltake Xaser III V1000D case and saw that it had 7 80mm fans I thought that was the answer I was looking for.
So heres the problem, I've read reviews on this case, including the one at Short-media, and I keep seeing the problem with installing video cards for this case. I know some people have cut there cards for them to fit in place and I will not take that chance with my 9700 PRo because I don't have the money to replace it. So is there a way around this problem? I've seen that some people have taken off the tooless PCI lack thing, sorry for the lack of technical terms, installed the card then put that back in place. I wanted to know if that actualy does work and if the case actually does keep cool with the seven fans.
I find the case to be no cooler than my chieftec with only 4 fans.
I assume this is so because the side fans are terribly place and mess drastically with the airflow.
And I just have a general hatred for those tacky mother****ing cases.
That said, the 9700 should fit..But I would just get another case, save the money, and put it towards a better component.
SimGuy
1 Dec 2003, 12:25am
Save your money and purchase a case with proper functionality. Most of the case fans in that god awful looking ThermalTake Xaser don't help the cooling situation in the case at all.
Look at a proper large mid-tower/full-twer case by CoolerMaster, Antec, Chieftec, AOpen or CompuCase and spend your hard earned dollars on something that will offer better airflow & cooling performance. :)
ThermalTake... the rice of computer cases. All show and no go.
TheLostSwede
1 Dec 2003, 12:27am
I cant believe that a videocard of all things should be any problem. Doesn't that case have the same design as the Antec/Chieftech? I agree with Thrax as i own a Chieftech myself, put thay money on a mid-tower Lian-Li instead. MUCH better cooling with LESS fans. Nicer case. I am so tired of the Chieftechs/Antecs/Xaser's/?/??/mambo-jambo/whatnot
You dont need a million fans to have a working ovrclocking computer. Would i install 2 fans for 2c less case temps? Hell no.
Just my 2 cents.
SimGuy
1 Dec 2003, 12:31am
Mackanz had this to say
I cant believe that a videocard of all things should be any problem. Doesn't that case have the same design as the Antec/Chieftech? I agree with Thrax as i own a Chieftech myself, put thay money on a mid-tower Lian-Li instead. MUCH better cooling with LESS fans. Nicer case. I am so tired of the Chieftechs/Antecs/Xaser's/?/??/mambo-jambo/whatnot
You dont need a million fans to have a working ovrclocking computer. Would i install 2 fans for 2c less case temps? Hell no.
Just my 2 cents.
They have a similar design, but not exact.
ThermalTake uses a screwless PCI card mounting system that can interfere with certain cards.
As well, their front panel is considerably different from the stock design.
Next, their hard-disk mounting system is more like a Lian-Li than the original stock design.
Finally, their fan locations provide some of the wierdest airflow patterns available that don't actually help in cooling :)
Dragonofthedarkness
1 Dec 2003, 9:52pm
Ok thanks for the input. Ill look into the cases you mentioned and see if I can find one I like.
Which case would you recommend? I know you've listed brands, but what specific case(s) do you guys like for cooling and functionality
Al_Capown
1 Dec 2003, 10:49pm
Lian Li Pc70, Enermax CS-10181-W (HEAVY! STEEL!), or an Aopen H700B.
SimGuy
1 Dec 2003, 10:52pm
Chieftec Dragon, Antec Performance Plus Series, AOpen HX08, Lian-Li's full-towers (but they are insanely expensive).
Geeky1
1 Dec 2003, 11:09pm
Dragon, how important is noise generation? I can find you a $30 case (if you've already got a PS) that'll cool just about anything, but it'd require 4 Vantec Tornado fans to do so; unless you're deaf, it would drive you absolutely insane.
How much did you want to spend, how important is size, and how important is noise output? You need a PS?
Dragonofthedarkness
2 Dec 2003, 12:01am
Well the less I have to spend the better, but if you take into account that I was going ot buy the Thermaltake case and it was $120. I have a PSU and noise.....well I really don't want it to be too loud. If it cools the case like a lot then noise won't be majoly important, unless its REALLY loud.
As for the other suggestions, I do like the Cheiftec Dragon and Antec performance series cases. I still need to look at the Lian Li cases to decide.
Geeky1
2 Dec 2003, 12:02am
I would NOT recommend the Lian-Lis. I've worked on them before, and I do not like them very much. I'll look around... lemme see what I can find.
Al_Capown
2 Dec 2003, 12:11am
Geeky1 had this to say
I would NOT recommend the Lian-Lis. I've worked on them before, and I do not like them very much. I'll look around... lemme see what I can find.
why?
Geeky1
2 Dec 2003, 12:22am
Well, one of my favorite cases (Antec SX-1240) has been discontinued. However, Directron still has a Chieftec case that's based on the same chassis. The differences are the PSU mount (in some of the Chieftec cases), and the front bezel.
Other than that, they're the same, and they both offer just about the best cooling you can get without going to a big cube case, water cooling, or building your own case.
Chieftec cases (all basically the same, except for color, bezel style, and PS mount):
http://www.directron.com/da01sld.html
http://www.directron.com/max01bld.html
http://www.directron.com/max01bd.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01pld.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01bnd.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01wd.html
http://www.directron.com/da01wd.html
http://www.directron.com/da10bd.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01bd.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01sld.html
http://www.directron.com/da01bld.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01bld.html
http://www.directron.com/max01gnd.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01gnd.html
From Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=11-129-119&depa=1
This Antec is better than the 10x0 series; the motherboard area is much closer to the SX1240's than the 10x0 series', and the cooling is far superior to the 10x0 series.
There are also these Enermax cases, which are virtually identical to the newer Xasers:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=11-124-032&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=11-124-033&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=11-124-034&depa=1
Note that the description for that last one is wrong; newegg got something mixed up. However, the pix show the correct case.
Beyond those, there isn't much for <$120 that is decent, unless you want to modify the case...
Dragonofthedarkness
2 Dec 2003, 12:28am
Well I've looked at the cases suggested, and I have one quetion. Does the Enermax CS-10181-W really have good airflow like is says? It appears to be very similar to the Thermaltake case, same number of fans, similat setup,sma etooless PCI slots that I don't really like. So being a very similar case what makes it better? Is the fans placement different? It's obviouslty cheaper, found one for $66, don't know whether that is a good pice or not.
Geeky1 I'm still interested in what you can find, keep me posted.
Geeky1
2 Dec 2003, 12:30am
Al, why wouldn't I get a Lian Li?
1. Idiotic design.
-Power supplies with bottom fans don't fit and/or the bottom fan is blocked. This has apparently been fixed on the more recent models, but...
-The airflow patterns suck; anyone who pays more than $20 for ANY case with a single 80mm fan mounted next to the ATX backplane is insane. Also, ideally, the intake fans should "bathe" the entire motherboard with cool air; see the G5 case for an example of this. The closest you can get to this on an un-modified PC case is the Antec SX-8x0 series and 1240 cases, as well as some of the cube cases.
2. Poor construction
- Why do they cover some of the edges with plastic? What the hell is that? Do it right -deburr the goddamn edge for christ's sake!
- The case I worked on had had the screw holes for the cards and PS stripped because of the thumbscrews. Think about this for minute: The case is aluminum. The screws are steel. Which one do you think is harder? All it takes is 1 or 2 instances where you put the screw in wrong (the angle was slightly off, etc.) to destroy the threads in the case. They should have sleeved the holes with steel liners, the same way that cars with aluminum engine blocks generally have their cylinders lined with a harder material.
Coolermaster cases, incidentally, have many of the same problems- crappy cooling, and idiotic design and construction.
Geeky1
2 Dec 2003, 12:37am
The Enermax cases are identical to the Thermaltake, except for the color and the bezel design. They have the same advantages and disadvantages.
I have my doubts about the intake fan design on these cases; the hard drive trays block a good 50%+ of the fan cutouts, and there is basically no space between the fan and the cutout, so what you'll end up with is a lot of backpressure, a lot of noise, and very little airflow compared to a fan that doesn't have anything blocking it's airflow path.
The rest of the design seems fine, but like I said, I don't think you'll be able to do much about getting air into the case without modifying it, and that's a problem. It probably won't cool as well as the cheiftec/antec ones I linked to.
You could also get an AMS CF-1100 Cube case from www.atacom.com, but it's expensive ($180), shipping is going to be a bitch (it would've been $50 had I had UPS drive the stupid thing the 20 miles from my house to Atacom) because the thing weighs 70lbs or so EMPTY. It also requires a pretty good amount of airflow to work well; it doesn't like low CFM exhaust fans.
The construction is not up to Antec standards, and there are a ton of sharp edges. However, it's cheaper than any comparably-sized case, and the cooling potential is simply INSANE.
http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?cart_id=52490_68_123_120_97&Pagecode=SEARCH_ALL&Item_code=CASS_AMSX_11_00&USER_ID=www
muddocktor
2 Dec 2003, 12:46am
Geeky, what do you think of Addtronics cases? I was looking at this one (http://www.addtronics.com/7896A.htm) and installing a True Control 550 in it. Looks like it should have decent airflow but I've never seen an Addtronics up close and personal, so to speak. It's a little pricey at $138 w/o psu, but still cheaper than a Lian Li PC70 series and looks hell for strong.
If you're going full tower, you can't beat the A-Open series for price/performance. HX-08, as Sim mentioned earlier. Own one. Removable mobo tray. TONS of room, tho a touch narrow. Comes with a (usually) 300W PSU that, while you probably don't want it to power your primary rig, is nonetheless a good quality unit.
http://www.aopen.com/products/housing/hx08.htm
another pic, stripped bare
The only 2 design flaws are 1) the top has to be removed to get the sides off, tho this is easily remedied in 5 min with a dremel by removing 2 small tabs of metal off the top portion 2) front airflow intake should be *somewhat/somehow* modified to get more.
I was going to get the Addtronics case you linked to when I bought my 1.4 Tbird, but I couldn't find anywhere selling them.
My biggest gripe is the hard drive mounting system. I don't like it at all; it promotes elevated drive temperatures and cable clutter more than anything else.
If you want to mount the hard drives in 5.25" bays, it should be OK. You'll probably want to modify it, tho. The front of the case below the drives looks like it should be able to take 1-2 Comair Rotron Major DC fans, which would do a hell of a lot for cooling.
Keto, that aopen case has one major, major, MAJOR problem: where are the exhaust fan mounts by the ATX backplane? Doesn't look like there are any there, to me.
Stock, I think the aOpen case has absolutely no potential as a serious overclocking case for anything that generates more heat than a P3; the front of that case looks like it can take 1-2 Rotrons as well, tho. If you were to mount a few of those in it, and open up the back of the case around the motherboard, it would become a very, VERY serious overclocker's case indeed.
Dragonofthedarkness
2 Dec 2003, 1:36am
I am liking the cheiftec cases. Its hard to tell from the pictures, so do those have side windows with a fan in them or is that a modded case and the ones they are selling are actually just no window no side fan cases? Just curious because it doesnt say anything about a side fan but some pictures show them.
Um nvm I just saw the option to add them.
Should I upgrade to have the side fan or is it not necessary?Or should I just mod the normal case so it can have a side fan?
If I where to get a cheiftec dragon case, do you think I would be able to overclock my system? I hvae a Amd 300+, 1.5 gigs ram(3x500MB),9700Pro video card, 200 gig hd, Antec TrueControl550 PSU. If I can't thats fine since it's not overclocked now and since I'm not really sure how to overclock my system.
Yeah, as you said... it depends on the case. Some of them have them, others don't.
W4R(H1LD
2 Dec 2003, 1:47am
This thread is on time....I too am in the market for a new case/ps and was looking at the Thermaltake cases till I read some post here...glad I didnt order one. I do appreciate all the info the people here at Short-Media make available. On suggestion of the Chieftec cases I found this one==>http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=569775&Sku=DRG-C-S%20W400&CatId=343
Would this be a good choice?
W4(H1LD, that is the more common version of the Chieftec I linked to above; it's the same thing as the Antec SX10x0 series, which is smaller than the SX1240.
It's also the most common of the Chieftec/Antec cases. I've used them several times, and they're OK. I'm not real fond of them, though.
Why?
Mainly because they only (realistically) support 2 hard drives (3 or more would mean filling the only hard drive cage that has a fan mounting bracket to the point where very little airflow would get through it; the drive in the upper cage (it only supports 1 drive, plus 2 more if you don't need a floppy/zip) would cook, since it has no drive cooling.
It also has a tendency to trap heat above the power supply, which the larger version of the case does not do.
Basically, it's an OK case, but the hard drive mounting system sucks. The Antec SX835, although smaller, has better cooling, as do the other cases I linked to.
W4R(H1LD
2 Dec 2003, 2:07am
I got ya..thx man. I think this one is more along the lines of what you were talking aobut...this might do the job---->http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/Chieftec/
I like this one thanks for the help =P
Nope, that's identical to the one you linked to earlier. The one I'm talking about is bigger than that one. It's got 6 5.25" bays, 2 external 3.5" bays, and 6 internal 3.5" bays.
This is the one I'm talking about (all basically identical, except for the color, bezel, and PS mounting)
http://www.directron.com/da01sld.html
http://www.directron.com/max01bld.html
http://www.directron.com/max01bd.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01pld.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01bnd.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01wd.html
http://www.directron.com/da01wd.html
http://www.directron.com/da10bd.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01bd.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01sld.html
http://www.directron.com/da01bld.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01bld.html
http://www.directron.com/max01gnd.html
http://www.directron.com/ma01gnd.html
Dragonofthedarkness
2 Dec 2003, 2:14am
Should I upgrade to have the side fan or is it not necessary?Or should I just mod the normal case so it can have a side fan?
If I where to get a cheiftec dragon case, do you think I would be able to overclock my system? I hvae a Amd 300+, 1.5 gigs ram(3x500MB),9700Pro video card, 200 gig hd, Antec TrueControl550 PSU. If I can't thats fine since it's not overclocked now and since I'm not really sure how to overclock my system.
Sorry for the double post of this but since I did edit my other post I thought people might not see it.
W4R(H1LD
2 Dec 2003, 2:28am
LMAO!! thx man!!! =P
Im going to get this one--->http://www.directron.com/da10bd.html
Whether you'll be able to overclock or not really depends... cooling certainly won't be the limiting factor if you get a decent heatsink and the system is in one of those cases... but your motherboard, ram and CPU may not be very overclocking-friendly.
As for the side fan, it really depends. If you're going to want one, I'd order it from them (but then, I'm slightly accident prone, too, so...). The jury is still out on whether or not they actually do anything. I've given it a lot of thought (and very little real-world testing), and in theory, it should basically send your airflow all to hell, because it's introducing all sorts of turbulence. In reality though, they seem to work very well. Personally, I'd probably get it.
Dragonofthedarkness
2 Dec 2003, 2:47am
Since I know nothing about overclocking I'll list the parts as best I know. My motherboard is a Soyo KT-400 Dragon Ultra Platnum edition, supposedly it does support overclocking. My CPU is a AMD 3000+, I believe it's a Barton I could be wrong. The ram is 3x512 I believe 266 but I couldn't tell you the brand offhand.
Also, what type of fans do you recommend? I'd perfer quite fans but I htink I would be ok as long as they are not really loud.
Fans:
For the 80x25mm case fans that you'll need to use for those antec/chieftec cases, there is one, and only one, choice for most people.
The Thermaltake SmartFan 2. Newegg has them. They're the best 80mm fans on the market, because they're capable of moving (supposedly) ~75cfm (I think it's really more like 55, but that's fine...), but they can be thermally or manually controlled, too, so you can make them as quiet as you need them to be.
For 92mm fans, either a Sunon KD1209PTB2, an Enermax 92mm adjustable fan, or a YSTech 66cfm 92mm (which is a bit loud).
Overclocking:
You won't be able to overclock much; the KT400 chipset, and Soyo boards in general, are not particularly outstanding overclockers. If the CPU is a 3000+, the RAM has to be at least 333MHz...
Anyhow, you won't be able to overclock a great deal with that setup; if you want to, you could get an Abit NF7 to replace the Soyo, but if you don't really want to overclock, it's not necessary.
What do you have as a CPU heatsink/fan right now?
GnomeWizardd
2 Dec 2003, 3:48am
Had a xaser III on my dads He hated it it sucked for cooling and was bulky and heavy. He bought the coolermaster wavemaster. I love it but I am stuck with my chieftec since i spend all my money are faster parts
Dragonofthedarkness
2 Dec 2003, 4:36am
The CPU heatsink and fan are the one that came with the processer itself. I was going to get a new one of those too...so what heatsink and fans do you like?
GnomeWizardd
2 Dec 2003, 5:40am
SLK-900 with a 53cfm mechatronics for performance or get a sunon 92mm and thats a hair less performance but its quiter
There are three really good socket A heatsinks right now:
Thermalright SLK-800A, SLK-800U
Thermalright SLK-900A, SLK-900U
Thermalright SP-94
In terms of fans...
For the SLK-800:
Thermaltake SmartFan2
For the SLK-900 & SP-94:
Sunon KD1209PTB2-6, Enermax Adjustable 92mm, or YS Tech 66cfm 92mm (www.svc.com has them)
Also, you may find the pic I attached to my latest post (post #20 in the bottom right hand corner, above the edit/quote boxes) in this thread:
http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6873
I've been very happy with my Antec except the fact that it weighs a ton with everything in it. I got it for $100 shipped from Staples, comes with an Antec 430 True Power Supply. That PS is $70 alone from Newegg. If it were a little taller it would be perfect. The case has been moved from home to school several times and protects and the good stuff inside real well. It also is my monitor stand sort of, very sturdy.
Dragonofthedarkness
2 Dec 2003, 9:53pm
I'll look at those Heatsinks here in a minute. I checked out your post in the other forum and I am assuming then that a Cheiftec( Directron) Dragon case would have similar airflow patters to the Antec SX1240 if I did not have a side case fan. Ok I havent searched much, but the Thermalright SP-94 I found so far isn't for socket A.
I realized that earlier today... the SP-94 is the intel version. The AMD version is the SP-97 I think... Let me double check, tho.
Yeah, so the revised list would be:
SLK-800A/SLK-800U
SLK-900A/SLK-900U
SLK-947U
SP-97
Dragonofthedarkness
3 Dec 2003, 3:58am
I kinda like the SLK 900-A, I like the idea of having a 92mm fan, but Ill look at the SLK-947U to see which I like better since Idon't know what size fan it take or anything yet.
Al_Capown
3 Dec 2003, 4:01am
SLK 800 takes 80MM fans, everything else Geeky1 listed takes 92mm fans.
The SLK-900, 947, and SP-97 all take up to a 92mm fan; they'll also take 80mm and 70mm fans.
The SLK-800 will take up to a 80mm fan; it will also take 70mm fans, tho.
Dragonofthedarkness
4 Dec 2003, 1:25am
OK thanks for telling me. I also have another question about overclocking, you said my ram had to be 33MHz, did you mean it has to be in Mhz or does it just have to be DDR333, because when I looked on newegg and tried to find what I had only one type of RAM was higher than 33MHZ and it was listed at like 800 while a DDR333 was only in the 130's range. Just wondering becuase I found what I think I ordered, had a list of most of the part though it might not be the current one, and my ram is indeed DDR333, and supposedly my mobo only takes 266 and 333 but niether are above 333MHz speed accourding to neweggs speed listing which could be wrong.
Actually I said 333MHz ;)
DDR333 (PC2700) is "333MHz" (it's actually technically 166MHz, but it's effective speed is 333MHz)
And DDR is backwards compatible; you could get PC3200 (DDR400/"400MHz"/200 Actual MHz), or even faster, but your board may not let it run faster than 166MHz.
Dragonofthedarkness
4 Dec 2003, 2:54am
Sorry the 33Mhz was a typo, however I just found that my ram isn't DDR333, it is sadly DDR266, so I am guess that I can't overclock with that ram right? Why does it have to be 333?
It HAS to be 333MHz, because the 3000+ has a 333MHz FSB... unless you're running the RAM at a lower speed than the CPU...
Do me a favor, if you would.
Download SiSoft Sandra 2004 Standard from:
http://download.com.com/3000-2086-10229189.html?tag=lst-0-1
Install it, and once it's done, open it, and run "the mainboard information" program.
When that's done, hit the "copy to clipboard" button in the bottom of the results window, and post those results here.
Thanks.
//Edit
Also do the same with the
Dragonofthedarkness
4 Dec 2003, 9:53pm
That was a usefull program, and I guess i didn't think my memory had to be the same speed as my CPU. SO anyways heres the results.
SiSoftware Sandra
System
Manufacturer : VIA Technologies, Inc.
Model : KT400-8235
ID : FFFFFFFF-FFFFFFFF-FFFFFFFF-FFFFFFFF
Mainboard
MP Support : 1 CPU(s)
MPS Version : 1.10
Model : KT400-8235
System Memory Controller
Location : Mainboard
Error Correction Capability : None
Number of Memory Slots : 3
Maximum Installable Memory : 768MB
Bank0/1 - A0 : DIMM 512MB
Bank2/3 - A1 : DIMM 512MB
Bank4/5 - A2 : DIMM 512MB
Chipset 1
Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT8377 Apollo KT400 CPU to PCI Bridge
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI IMB USB i2c/SMBus
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 167MHz (334MHz data rate)
Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 166MHz / 2x 200MHz
Width : 64-bit
IO Queue Depth : 4 request(s)
Chipset 1 Hub Interface
Type : V-Link
Width : 8-bit
Full Duplex : Yes
Multiplier : 1/1x
Speed : 8x 66MHz (528MHz data rate)
IO Queue Depth : 9 request(s)
Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 512MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-7CL 2CMD
Bank 2 : 512MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-7CL 2CMD
Bank 4 : 512MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-7CL 2CMD
Bank Interleave : 4-way
Speed : 2x 167MHz (334MHz data rate)
Multiplier : 1/1x
Width : 64-bit
Power Save Mode : No
Fixed Hole Present : No
APIC 1
Version : 0.03
Speed : 16MHz
Multiplier : 1/2x
Maximum Interrupts : 24
IRQ Handler Engaged : Yes
Enhanced Support : No
Memory Module(s)
Memory Module 1 : SpecTek 05039E14 512MB 8x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2100U-2533-750 (CL2.5 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)
Memory Module 2 : SpecTek 110161A8 512MB 8x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2100U-2533-750 (CL2.5 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)
Memory Module 3 : SpecTek 110161A9 512MB 8x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2100U-2533-750 (CL2.5 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)
Environment Monitor 1
Model : ITE IT8705/12 ISA
Mainboard Specific Support : No
Environment Monitor 2
Model : NS LM83
Version : 2.01
Mainboard Specific Support : No
Temperature Sensor(s)
Board Temperature : 34.0°C / 93.2°F
CPU Temperature : 51.0°C / 123.8°F
Power / Aux Temperature : 54.0°C / 129.2°F
HD / Aux Temperature : 34.0°C / 93.2°F td
PCI / Aux Temperature : 62.0°C / 143.6°F td
Cooling Device(s)
Auto Fan Speed Control : No
CPU Fan Speed : 4116rpm
Voltage Sensor(s)
CPU Voltage : 1.65V
Aux Voltage : 3.31V
+3.3V Voltage : 3.01V
+5V Voltage : 5.08V
+12V Voltage : 9.73V
-12V Voltage : -9.32V
-5V Voltage : -2.69V
Standby Voltage : 2.18V
AGP Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 3.05
Speed : 8x 66MHz (528MHz data rate)
Multiplier : 1/2x
Fast-Writes Enabled : No
Isochronous Mode Enabled : No
Addressing Enabled : 32-bit
Aperture Size : 64MB
PCI Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 2.10
Number of Bridges : 1
PCI Bus 0 : PCI (33MHz)
Multiplier : 1/5x
LPC Hub Controller 1
Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT8235 PCI to ISA Bridge
ACPI Power Management Enabled : Yes
Random Number Generator Enabled : No
Multiplier : 1/4x
Speed : 8MHz
DMA Multiplier : 1/2x
DMA Speed : 4MHz
USB Controller 1
Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets)
Version : 1.10
Interface : UHCI
Channels : 2
Speed : 48MHz
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No
USB Controller 2
Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets)
Version : 1.10
Interface : UHCI
Channels : 2
Speed : 48MHz
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No
USB Controller 3
Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets)
Version : 1.10
Interface : UHCI
Channels : 2
Speed : 48MHz
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No
USB Controller 4
Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT6202 USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller
Version : 2.00
Specification : 1.00
Interface : EHCI
Channels : 6
Companion Controllers : 3
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) High (480Mbps)
Addressing Support : 32-bit
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No
System SMBus Controller 1
Model : VIA VT823x SMBus
Slave Device Enabled : No
Speed : 16kHz
Expansion Slot(s)
PCI0 (1h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available (VIA Technologies Inc ProSavageDDR P4X333 CPU to AGP 2.0/3.0 Bridge)
PCI1 (2h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available
PCI2 (3h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available
PCI3 (4h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available
AGP (8h) : AGP 32-bit +5V Full-Length Available (ATI Technologies All-in-Wonder 9700 Series (R300))
Port Connector
PRIMARY IDE : None - ATA / None
SECONDARY IDE : None - ATA / None
FDD : 8251 FIFO - Floppy Disk / None
COM1 : Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9 pin male
COM2 : Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9 pin male
LPT1 : Parallel Port ECP/EPP - DB-25 pin female / DB-25 pin female
Keyboard : Keyboard - PS/2 / PS/2
PS/2 Mouse : Mouse - PS/2 / PS/2
USB : USB - None / None
AUDIO : Audio - None / None
Performance Tips
Tip 2530 : MPS 1.4 or later is recommended for MP systems. Check BIOS version.
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Warning 2508 : All memory slots are full. Upgrading the memory may be difficult or expensive.
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.
Warning 2523 : Memory bus speed exceeds memory rated speed. Reduce memory bus speed.
Warning 2545 : Large memory modules should be Registered/Buffered.
Warning 2518 : Mainboard temperature is too high.
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.
Great, thanks.
What you have here is a problem:
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 167MHz (334MHz data rate)
vs.
Memory Module 1 : SpecTek 110161A9 512MB 8x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2100U-2533-750 (CL2.5 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)
Memory Module 2 : SpecTek 110161A9 512MB 8x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2100U-2533-750 (CL2.5 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)
Memory Module 3 : SpecTek 110161A9 512MB 8x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2100U-2533-750 (CL2.5 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)
Your CPU has a 166MHz bus; your memory is PC2100. I have no idea what speed it's running at for sure, but it appears to be 166MHz (can anyone tell me for sure... can the KT400 run asynch FSB/RAM speeds?)
You need new RAM...
Also, your temps look to be high, but your voltages are so far off according to that program that I'm not confident that the temperature results are accurate, either.
If you could also download this program:
http://mbm.livewiredev.com/download/MBM5351.EXE
and install it, if you post your temperatures and voltages I could give you a better idea of what else you'll want to upgrade...
Also, what power supply do you have in that thing?
Oh, and you may be interested in running some of the benchmarks in SiSoft Sandra... I'd be interested to see the memory bandwidth benchmark results... that'd help me (or someone else) figure out what speed your ram is actually running at...
Dragonofthedarkness
5 Dec 2003, 3:09am
I have an Antec True Control 550 PSU in this coputer so those voltages where off. If anything they should all be a tad higher than what they should be. the 3.3 is at 3.31, 5 is at 5.05, and 12 is at 12.09. I think those values are more accurate. The temp unfortunately probably where relatively close to what I'm seeing which is why I am getting a new case and heatsink and stuff. I will also look into getting new ram that is the correct speed, which brands do you guys like and should I get ECC or does it really matter? I know in one of the overclocking forums some brands mentioned where Muskin and Corsair and Buffalo ( those may be spelled wrong but I'm tired so i don't feel like checking spelling. I will download and run the other program you listed tomarrow.
Yeah, the TrueControl is fine for anything... if it can handle a dual 2500+ system with 4 hard drives and a Radeon 9700 Pro (which is what mine powers, altho right now it's an 8500...) it should handle any single CPU system easily.
The temps are awful, tho. Awful, awful, awful. The computer should function reliably at those temperatures, but they're high enough to worry me.
If you want to overclock, you'll need a better heatsink/fan.
As for RAM, it depends on how much you want to spend. Corsair, Kingston's HyperX, Mushkin, and Buffalo are all excellent.
Also, you don't have to run that program if you think those temps. are accurate... it's a link to Motherboard Monitor 5, which is the best hardware monitoring software around. It'll tell you your CPU speed, voltages, fan speeds, temperatures, etc.
Dragonofthedarkness
5 Dec 2003, 3:33am
Well I use a program that came with computer, I think, called SOYO hardware monitor and that lists tempurature and PSU rail and fan speeds. That is what I have been going by but I could download the other to see if they are similar or not. And yeah I am definately going to get a new case, I like the Cheiftec Dragon case, and am getting the Thermalright SKL-900A heatsink with a Sunon 92mm fans on it which should help cool my system down into low 40's high 30's hopefully. I really dont know I'm just guessing at temps now :p
I need to look around for ram though and see if I can find a good deal somewhere because I'm not gonna have a really good ammount of money to buy ram with, I might just buy 2 512's to get me by untill I have more money for a third.
I'll download that other program tomarrow and if my results are drastically different I'll post them but if they are relatively the same I'll probably just post saying that.
falcon2003
19 Dec 2003, 1:20am
I have a thermaltake xaser III v1000d series and a Ati 9700 pro all in wonder. The card fits perfect, You just have to use a screw to attach it too the case. You can not use the plastic clips that come with the case. There is no cutting required by you. The case is well built as is a great piece of eye candy. Cooling is the not a whole lot better than any other case. If you are looking for good cooling buy but quiet then buy a thermaltake silent boost http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/volcano/rs/a1889.htm and a kingwin divine 450 watt power supply http://www.furioustech.com/kingwin450/index.php
I use this power supply in my thermaltake case and it is excellent, I am buying a silent boost next week. One thing to keep in mind is that some motherboards may cause problems when mounting. That is why you may have read about the cutting of the 9700. I am using an aopen ak79d-400 max nforce 2. If you have any questions feel free to ask!
Dave
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