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GHoosdum
5 Dec 2003, 12:06am
Yes, Trinitrons are typically very good monitors. This one looks good - .24DP and 1800x1440@75Hz.
My monitor for my new computer is going to be ANY class-A 21" refurb monitor with trinitron tubes.
Merkortech can help me! :D
so is that a good monitor/price??? I mean like ... is that an old model? or like should I not get a refurb from them? I just dont want to buy a broken monitor.
GHoosdum
5 Dec 2003, 12:11am
Yes.
Dude! You're getting a Dell! The same Dell UltraScan P1110 that I have :D
Great 21" Trinitron picture, 0.24AG Aperture Grille dot pitch (one of the lowest available), adjustable everything, dual SUB-D VGA inputs. Best to run the thing @ 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz for 100% flicker-free, eye-strain free operation.
I'm pleasently surprised at how well this Grade-A monitor works... especially for $150.00 CDN :D
//Edit: I'll note that the Manufacturing date on my UltraScan P1110 is December 2000, so it's not like's an overly old monitor. Trinitron AG CRT's haven't really been updated in 5 years...
You just summed up what monitor I'll be getting.
Thanks Sim.
I'm not sure if you've had the chance to see a side-by-side comparison between an Aperture Grille monitor and Shadow Mask monitor, but DAMN there is a major difference.
IE, the picture is definately more crisp on the AG monitor with a much less fuzzy look. The video bandwidth on these AG monitors usually allow much clearer images to be displayed, even at low-level resolutions.
One thing I have noticed is that it takes the AG monitors substantially longer to switch between resolutions.
IE, I ran 3DMark2001SE side by side on both P4 systems (one with the Dell, one with a Spamsung 750s) and the AG monitor takes like 5 seconds to switch resolutions/switch between an image and a 3D rendered scene, while the Shadow Mask took less than 1 second.
Not sure if it matters, but it's something I've noticed. :)
I have a Hitachi CM823F, uses ISM display.
The lack of faint lines is pleasing, but it has problems displaying dark colors on black backgrounds: Blood red on black for instance.
The picture, on the other hand, is very vibrant, and clear despite that niggling problem. Resolutions switch quickly, faster than the Sony AG below. I don't dislike either.
We have a top-of-the-line Sony 21" at school, and it has its own quirks.
But for $200 USD, I'll be getting an AG Dell P1110, because trinitrons still freaking rock.
DogSoldier
5 Dec 2003, 3:10am
I have a Dell P991 and is easily the best monitor I've ever owned. I'm on a waiting list for any new used Dell 19-21' trinitrons that come in. I want to replace the crap Samsung 955DF 19" Dyna-Flat I have at work. Dyna-Flat my 4ZZ!
DogSoldier had this to say
I have a Dell P991 and is easily the best monitor I've ever owned. I'm on a waiting list for any new used Dell 19-21' trinitrons that come in. I want to replace the crap Samsung 955DF 19" Dyna-Flat I have at work. Dyna-Flat my 4ZZ!
Dyna-Flat! IE.... ISM with a flat outer glass tube, but inner-tube that's curved like a baseball :D
DogSoldier... if you're ever in the neighbourhood of Peterborough, Ontario, stop in a place called "United Computer Superstore," located on Erskine Drive @ High Street, 100 M just south of Lansdowne Street.
That's where I picked up my Grade-A Dell P1110 for an impressive $150.00 CDN (usually $349.99 CDN). They get new shipments of stuff all the time... so it's a little hard to predict what they have in stock at the time. :)
The Compaq P1100 is the exact same as the Dell P1110, accept the Compaq P1100 supports MUCH higher refresh rates. For instance, at 1280x1024 the Compaq P1110 can go as high as 85hz, while the Dell P1100 can go as high as 110Hz). I have found that it is hard to come by a monitor that supports a refresh rate other than 75 and 85hz for each resolution, which is rather puzzling as I cannot stand to look at a bright image (such as MS Word) with a refresh rate lower than 100hz.
The Compaq P1100 also has a light sensor to automatically adjust the brightness and contrast according to the room's lighting. I find this more or less useless, as it tends to make the picture a bit darker than I feel it should be.
Another feature exclusive to the Compaq P1100 is the 4 port USB hub. It's built in on the right side of the monitor's base.
I should mention, there are both Dell and Compaq P1100's, but Dell chose not to modify the firmware to support the higher refresh rates (for some reason). The Dell model is also sans light sensor and USB hub.
I got mine from Merkortech for $235 (Grade A), a touch over $300 after shipping.
The Compaq P1100. In all it's glory!
EyesOnly
5 Dec 2003, 4:56pm
I'm using a Nokia Multigraph 447za and never had any problems, except when movin it. Then again all crt:s are heavy. Don't like the speakers on it though. The max supported refreshrate is 85 mhz which it's running at 1024x768.
Speaking of refreshrates i noticed a box in the properties meny. It said tick to only display supported refreshrates. By not ticking it the pulldown meny shows up to 150 mhz as max but ticked it shows 85. I remember reading of the problems that some users had with their radeons and catalyst 3.8 drivers which now been fixed and it got me thinking of that tab.
I'm not into monitors so i can't really give advice but from the comercials about tv:s and monitors iv'e seen trinitron is supposed to be good.
Trinitron/DiamondTron CRT's are the best available.
TheSMJ, AFAIK the Dell P1110 has higher-refresh rates than the Compaq P1110.
The only reason they are named the same? Both use the same 0.24AG Trinitron tube used in Sony's CPD-G520.
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if I can scrounge up 180 bucks ill get one then. thanks!!
Mt_Goat
5 Dec 2003, 7:54pm
Definitly do it. My wife has the same Dell P991 that DogSoldier has and is basicly the 19" version of what you are looking at. Hers is also a refurb and we just love it.
From Merkortech: Dell P1110's supported refresh rates.
I'm not saying your lieing, Sim, I just find it odd that Merkortech underrates the monitor.
They also claim the DP is .25.
Enverex
5 Dec 2003, 10:02pm
While we are on the subject (to save me resurecting my Monitor thread) as I now have the money and space, which would you say is the best out of the monitors on this page (19" ones) other than the Iiyama (too much) - http://www.lowestonweb.com/Products/ProductList.asp?e=4E2CDA46-A3A0-4FD5-A225-E05F575293D9
NS
SimGuy
5 Dec 2003, 10:16pm
TheSmJ had this to say
From Merkortech: Dell P1110's supported refresh rates.
I'm not saying your lieing, Sim, I just find it odd that Merkortech underrates the monitor.
They also claim the DP is .25.
Wierd. I swear to god this thing does 1280x1024 @ 100 Hz. I'll take a digital photo of the on-screen display running at that res.
Here ya go. That website probably displays the default ratings for each level, as when I set to 1280x1024, it does default to 85 Hz, however I can crank it to 100 Hz.
leishi85
5 Dec 2003, 10:17pm
u could get the NEC/MITSUBISHI MultiSync FP2141SB, it's very nice, i won it personally, love this 22inch.
SimGuy
5 Dec 2003, 10:26pm
As well, the official support site for the Dell P1110 states that it's a 0.24ag Trinitron tube. ;)
http://support.ap.dell.com/docs/monitors/p1110/En/intro.htm
Enverex
5 Dec 2003, 10:35pm
Seems I can get that same monitor over here for £251 delivered. I take it that it would be a good buy?
NS
SimGuy
5 Dec 2003, 10:46pm
Fairly good buy :)
That page you posted really doesn't have any good monitors (well, the Iiyama or whatever is great), but the others aren't.
The LG F900P uses proprietary Slot-Mask display technology, which is hybrid Aperture Grille, Shadow Mask that eliminates the 2 aperture grille lines seen on Trinitron tubes, yet increases image clarity and brightness over shadow mask monitors.
The Mitsubishi on there has a very low maximum resolution, refresh rate and AG dot pitch (0.25 at the centre, 0.27 at the outside).
GHoosdum
5 Dec 2003, 10:48pm
I hate the aperture grille lines (I have a Trinitron here at work) and now that you brought them to my attention, SimGuy, I'll be staring at them all night! :tongue:
Straight_Man
6 Dec 2003, 12:23am
Well, they are nice for when you have a situation where you have bright light around your work area, not glary but bright. They JUMP at you when monitor is real close or you have a coarse AG or you have a dim surrounding. Eye will process the AG into background if montior is 2-3 feet from eye, unless you are looking at a bright monitor and have dim surrounding light, then the contrast between the aperture lines and the screen will jump at you. Try brighter light around computer, and slightly increasing contrast on display OSD (possibly also decreasing brightness, but try contrast FIRST) if you have an AG monitor.
John.
SimGuy
6 Dec 2003, 12:36am
GHoosdum had this to say
I hate the aperture grille lines (I have a Trinitron here at work) and now that you brought them to my attention, SimGuy, I'll be staring at them all night! :tongue:
Bah, you can hardly see them after you get used to using an AG monitor. :D
AG Lines... AG Lines... AG Lines... :D
GHoosdum
6 Dec 2003, 12:39am
I'm gonna put strips of duct tape across your monitor at the LAN, SimGuy, and then chant "AG Lines, AG Lines" to you over and over again.
GHoosdum had this to say
I'm gonna put strips of duct tape across your monitor at the LAN, SimGuy, and then chant "AG Lines, AG Lines" to you over and over again.
Who needs a monitor! I use Windows Ex-Pee Braille Edition :D
Oh, so that's why you keep playing the original Tomb Raider... ;)
Heh, you diddn't have to post a screenshot Sim. I believed you. I just found it wierd.
While they listed my monitor (Compaq P1100) having support for all the refresh rates I mentioned, they also said the DP was .25.
Rather odd.
Anyways, as both Compaq and Dell have both P1100 monitors, and P1110 monitors, I wonder what the diff is between the two model numbers.
As far as I can tell, the Compaq P1100 has the USB base, 0.24ag Trinitron Tube and supports up to 1920x1440 @ 75Hz.
The Compaq P1110 (3 1's) doesn't have the USB base, only supports up to 1800x1440 @ 75 Hz, but still has the same 0.24ag Trinitron Tube.
Not sure with the Dell's though as I can't find any info on the Dell P1100, only the Dell P1110 (no USB, 1800x1440 @ 75 Hz, 0.24ag Trinitron Tube). :D
HP & Gateway make an identical monitor too (the HP P1110 and GateWay P1110). This has gone too far :D
Enverex
6 Dec 2003, 9:10am
Is there any other monitor as good that can be had around the same price? No, actually ignore that, wouldn't work internationally anyway.
Is 21" too big though, i.e. do you have to keep looking around it like a cinema screen?
NS
profdlp
6 Dec 2003, 3:45pm
NightShade737 had this to say
Is 21" too big though, i.e. do you have to keep looking around it like a cinema screen?
NS
No! I have a Nokia 445Xi which is a 21" monitor. Having that much real estate might take a little getting used to, but once you've used a large monitor for a while you'll never want to go back. At 1600X1200 you can see ALL of two open windows at an equivalent resolution of 800X600 with no scrolling.
Might cut down on your solitaire score a little... :D
My dad held off from buying a 21" for YEARS because he thought he would have to look around the screen, as in, physically turning his head.
Once I finally convinced him that that was wrong, and we got the money, we went for it. I was right, and he was pleasantly surprised at the difference having 21" of real estate made, surprised at the difference having 1600x1200 native made.
21" monitors don't require you to look around the screen and focus any more than a 17" or 19" does.
It's great.
Thrax had this to say
My dad held off from buying a 21" for YEARS because he thought he would have to look around the screen, as in, physically turning his head.
Once I finally convinced him that that was wrong, and we got the money, we went for it. I was right, and he was pleasantly surprised at the difference having 21" of real estate made, surprised at the difference having 1600x1200 native made.
21" monitors don't require you to look around the screen and focus any more than a 17" or 19" does.
It's great.
My dad always thought the same thing. "I don't want to have to move my head around to see the entire screen." Instead, he resisted moving from a 14" monitor to a 17".
Finally, when he picked up the 17" because the ol' Radiation King 14" died (finally), he was surprised that just because the CRT is larger, doesn't mean you'll have to move your head around like you do when sitting in the front row of a movie. :D
21" is no different. You may have to sit back a few extra inches to encompass the whole thing (which is good, as I wouldn't want to be sitting too close to it in the first place), but you don't have to move your neck to see everything.
Enverex
6 Dec 2003, 6:38pm
Hmm.... so do I buy that P1110.....
It's basically that, or a £180 19" monitor. Is it worth £250?
(Currently I only get to use 1600x1200 on my monitor (15") and I would need to get even a decent 19" to get that, which is quite sad).
NS
NightShade737 had this to say
Hmm.... so do I buy that P1110.....
It's basically that, or a £180 19" monitor. Is it worth £250?
(Currently I only get to use 1600x1200 on my monitor (15") and I would need to get even a decent 19" to get that, which is quite sad).
NS
OMG, you mean your using a 15" monitor? BLEHG!
I remember when going from 15" to 19", it felt like using the computer on a high deff. movie screen compaired to the 15"er... I can't imagie what it would be like going from 15" to 21".
But I do know you're gona love it!
Enverex
6 Dec 2003, 7:49pm
Ah, that was supposed to say "Currently I only get to use 1600x1200 on my laptop (15.1" UXGA)"
NS
SimGuy
6 Dec 2003, 10:38pm
1600x1200 on a 15"?
OMG your poor eyes.
I thought running 1024x768 on my old Radiation King 14" was bad.
It's a toss up. I chose the 21" because I wanted maximum CRT size, a Trinitron AG tube and minimum 1600x1200 ability (don't care about refresh rate). Also, the price was a factor, but not so much as features.
If you have the cash, go for the 21". You won't regret it :D
I don't think I would consider a 19" for my every-day use now that I'm used to working with a 21". Even using another PC with a 17" CRT makes my eyes cringe.
profdlp
6 Dec 2003, 10:48pm
When I go from my 21" monitor to my dad's 19" I feel deprived. When I use my daughter's 17" monitor I feel downright abused.
I just ordered the Dell P1110 from Merkortech. For $280 with shipping, I couldn't pass it up.
Enverex
7 Dec 2003, 12:17pm
Order placed for the Dell P1110 FD. Next day delivery, so I'll probably get it Tuesday..... just hope I can fit it through the entrance to my room....
NS
Enverex
9 Dec 2003, 12:17pm
Arrived today, there is a hairline crack for about an Inch and a half stemming from the top left of the screen just past the Trinitron Logo, but it isn't that noticable (sometimes).....
It cost £250 including delivery and they are offering a £15 refund to cover the damage (as they said they sometimes get through the inspections without being noticed, but it is in an obvious place and quite noticable if you are looking for a crack...).
What do you think?
NS
On the actual CRT or just the casing?
Have you powered up the monitor yet?
Enverex
9 Dec 2003, 7:02pm
Casing.
Not powered up yet, he said to leave it 6 hours first....
NS
Enverex
9 Dec 2003, 8:02pm
Right, managed to hoist the monitor into the attic via rope, industrial strengh ribbon, and 3 people....
I plugged it in, turned it on, and it just sits there flashing a yellow light......
So I left it for about 5 mins, turned it on again... this time the light was green for about 30 seconds, then went to a fixed yellow..... so I switched to input no 2 to check, and it went back to the flashing yellow, so I switched back and it carried on flashing....
Is there anything I should know about this monitor? As I'm not sure why the light is flashing and does it need to be left plugged in but turned off for some length of time before use?
NS
Asuming the monitor is plugged into the PC correctly, and your not getting any OSD message of any kind displaying, I'd say it's dead.
Enverex
9 Dec 2003, 8:28pm
Fan ****ing tastic. My parents are going to hit the roof. My dad almost broke his back trying to get this thing up the ladder....
Not sure how I could even GET it back down.........
NS
If you have a window, tie a good rope to it, and lower it to the ground.
At least you can exchange it for a working one.
You can do that, right?
Enverex
9 Dec 2003, 8:38pm
I'm in the Attic. The window is a very bumpy way down as it would have to roll down the roof first.
I'm tempted to just sit it in the corner and leave it there and take my £250 loss, as the hassle from my parents will be unbareable and really not what I need at this point in time. Though I am really just going to give up on PC's shortly as none of the stuff I ever buy will just ****ing work. Jesus christ.
NS
Jeez, makes me wish I mentioned that I tested my monitor upstairs, before my dad and I lugged it into the basment.
Offer some friends some nice cold Bud (or pizza rolls, whatever) in excange for helping you get it back downstairs.
You could try lowering it down the ladder using a simple pully system too. Might come in handy for other things in the future, as well.
£250 is a lot to eat like that. I'd return it in a heartbeat.
Well I got my Dell P1110 today from Merkortech. Damn thing is bloody FLAWLESS.
The screen is perfect, I can't find any scuffs on it, and it's very clear and works well. Aaaah, cheap 21" goodness. I love it.
Enverex
9 Dec 2003, 8:53pm
None of my mates would be interested in helping, firstly it's not their style, and secondly, none of them live even remotely near me.
Pully system would be nice, but I have no idea on how to set one up.....
Really should have tested it before hand....
****
NS
Thrax had this to say
Well I got my Dell P1110 today from Merkortech. Damn thing is bloody FLAWLESS.
The screen is perfect, I can't find any scuffs on it, and it's very clear and works well. Aaaah, cheap 21" goodness. I love it.
Isn't it great? Makes me never want to buy a brand new monitor again.
NightShade737 had this to say
None of my mates would be interested in helping, firstly it's not their style, and secondly, none of them live even remotely near me.
Pully system would be nice, but I have no idea on how to set one up.....
Really should have tested it before hand....
****
NS
Take some pics of the ladder area from both top-down, and from the side.
I've done this before, so I could give you a couple ideas.
Here's a ghettofied MSPaint drawing of the pics I'd need.
EDITED FOR CLARITY
Enverex
9 Dec 2003, 9:16pm
Problem is, the current ladder thing isn't permanent.... but I dont know if or when anything else will be done...
NS
Doesant matter if it's perminant, what matters is the position of the hole in the floor/celing and the ladder that's there now.
Enverex
9 Dec 2003, 9:22pm
There is a large Window covering 80% of the space directly above the hatch/hole which I think pretty much removes any chance of attatching anything to the roof....
I also dont think it would be strong enough anyway....
NS
2x4s placed on either side over the hole (temporarily) would solve that problem.
These monitors are more bulky than they are heavy, so isn't that big of an issue.
Enverex
9 Dec 2003, 10:00pm
No, really it is heavy, I could barely actually pick it up, never mind anything else... (70.5lbs)
But yeah, not sure if my parents would let me start attaching things too the roof. They are very iffy about looks of the house, i.e. they wont let me half close the front curtain when its sunny so you can actually see the TV because "it looks messy from outside" :(
NS
SimGuy
10 Dec 2003, 12:06am
NightShade737 had this to say
Right, managed to hoist the monitor into the attic via rope, industrial strengh ribbon, and 3 people....
I plugged it in, turned it on, and it just sits there flashing a yellow light......
So I left it for about 5 mins, turned it on again... this time the light was green for about 30 seconds, then went to a fixed yellow..... so I switched to input no 2 to check, and it went back to the flashing yellow, so I switched back and it carried on flashing....
Is there anything I should know about this monitor? As I'm not sure why the light is flashing and does it need to be left plugged in but turned off for some length of time before use?
NS
Unfortunately, she's dead NS. You'll have to return it. Light should be green when it's working properly, orange when in suspend/low-power mode and yellow when there is no signal from the input currently selected.
$250 pounds? Holy ****, I wouldn't be letting something expensive like that sit in the corner. Take the pride hit and exchange the bloody thing for one that works, whether you have to ask for help to get it out of the attic or not.
I wish I could be that frugal with my money...
TheSmJ
10 Dec 2003, 1:20am
NightShade737 had this to say
No, really it is heavy, I could barely actually pick it up, never mind anything else... (70.5lbs)
But yeah, not sure if my parents would let me start attaching things too the roof. They are very iffy about looks of the house, i.e. they wont let me half close the front curtain when its sunny so you can actually see the TV because "it looks messy from outside" :(
NS
You wouldnt have to attach anything longer than it would take you to get it downstairs (10 minutes). You could simply nail them into place on the floor and JUST over the hatchway, allowing you to screw in the eyehooks to the studs to hold one end of the rope.
Once the stuff is downstairs, pull the nails with a hammer. It's cake!
Come to think of it, you would only need one stud to connect an eyehook, so thats even better.
profdlp
10 Dec 2003, 4:36am
One 2X4 laid across the opening will do it. Get one long enough so you don't have to worry about it shifting a few inches and falling through the hole. Here in the US a stud-grade (cheap, unfinished, maybe a few knots in it) 8' 2X4 costs about $3.
Put the monitor back in the box it came in with all the packing etc. Tie your rope around all sides and drop it down the hole, looped around the 2X4 twice. Then get someone weighing substantially more than 70.5 lbs to hold the loose end. At that point just push the monitor off the edge. The friction of two loops of rope will make it very easy to hold (by your guy at the bottom).
2X4's are amazingly strong. It may bow a little, but you could lower 500lbs doing it the way I described (with two burly guys below holding the free end of the rope).
I know how you feel, NS. Seems like lately I've had everything electronic I own give me fits. I put a 17" monitor in the trash yesterday after smoke came out of it. Today I made a 210-mile round-trip to work on my dads computer (dead 160GB Maxtor; 5 months old). Thursday I'll repeat the process to take his computer back to him. I built my daughter a brand new system for Christmas last year and have already replaced her HD, Case, and MB. The case was DOA and the jerks at the place I bought it made me disassemble the whole works, when merely exchanging the front panel would have sufficed. My $400 stereo receiver was DOA when I moved here in the summer of 2002 and I've done without ever since.
These things seem to go in cycles. Just keep reminding yourself that once you get past all this you're going to have a beautiful monitor which will be the envy of the neighborhood. I still get a kick out of the reaction when people come over and see my 21" Nokia - beats having a Mercedes in the driveway (sorry Geeky1 :p ).
Look on the bright side - at least it's doubtful anyone will be able to steal it! :thumbsup:
drasnor
10 Dec 2003, 5:29am
Well you could always do like what khan did to the roof of my garage... fall through the sheetrock and leave a man-sized hole. I like my Viewsonic P225fb. I know it's not in your price range, but I'm happiest at 2048x1536 @ 75Hz. I can fit four 1024x768 windows on my desktop without squinting, and the fonts really aren't that small. Letter height for 10 point font is 3-4mm tall, easily legible from .5m away.
I run all my monitors at their highest resolution that supports 75Hz refresh, except the stack of 15's, which are 1024x768 @ 60Hz. I don't use the 15's very often.
-drasnor :fold:
stfu. we need to put these things behind us, and move on to embrace the future
or something.
Well, after a few days with my P1110, I have a problem with it.
Same thing happens on the other trinitron monitor I use at school;
The refresh rate I pick isn't what the monitor uses. If I set it to 1600x1200 @ 85Hz, it does 75kHz/60Hz..
Wtf?
drasnor
11 Dec 2003, 9:36pm
Do you have the DirectX SDK installed, or are using a graphics card made by ATI?
I had this problem for a little while, and I had to mess with my DirectX SDK control panel (SDK users only: DirectX Properties->DirectDraw->Forced Refresh Rate) and screw with the Catalyst control panel (Display Properties->Settings->Advanced->Displays->Monitor->Attributes->Maximum Refresh/Maximum Resolution/Refresh Rate Override). I bet you can figure out the rest from here if you're having the same problem I had.
-drasnor :fold:
Yeah. 9700 Pro.
I used a program called ReForce to force a refresh, but even that's not working.
I'll take a peek into the video CPL and see what's up.
//EDIT:
You rock Dras. Works great now! Thanks. :D
drasnor
11 Dec 2003, 9:44pm
If you don't have the SDK, then it's not causing the problem. The SDK forced my refresh to 60Hz by default and disabled hardware accelleration(I had to install it to compile shtuff) and it took me awhile to figure out where I needed to go to fix it. If you don't have it and don't need it I don't recommend installing it, especially cause it adds more stuff to your system (Debug versions of all the DirectX files, the DirectX debug service, etc.)
-drasnor :fold:
drasnor
11 Dec 2003, 9:48pm
:Pwned:
-drasnor :fold:
boosted3si
1 Jan 2004, 11:00pm
I have a Dell P1110 monitor and found this thread at random. My black background doesn't appear to be "black" per se and I was curious if any of you could post a screen shot of your color settings and what you have your brightness/contrast at.
I'd appreciate it very much and my eyes would as well. :)
I use 11000 kelvin color, 100% contrast, 58% brightness.
Colors are vibrant, black is black, and nothing is overly saturated.
Enverex
3 Feb 2004, 4:00pm
I use 11000 kelvin color, 100% contrast, 58% brightness.
Colors are vibrant, black is black, and nothing is overly saturated.
Thrax: I am having trouble getting this monitor to look sharp at 1600x1200. It is quite annoying and difficult to use at this res because of it. Playing with the convergence settings for about......... an hour... eventually got it partially usable but it still isn't sharp.
I tried 11000 kelvin, 100% contrast and 58% brightness, but the screen is very......... blue.....
How annoying, if I set the Refresh rate to 60, 1600x1200 is fine, but any higher (even 70) then it doesn't look as crisp and is harder to read :(
Strange thing though. In sims post where he has a pic of the screen with the OSD on, well my OSD shows the screen res too.
pseudonym
3 Feb 2004, 4:47pm
I'm a moron :)
I need to start looking at dates.
/me hangs his head in shame.....
Straight_Man
3 Feb 2004, 4:55pm
Well, after a few days with my P1110, I have a problem with it.
Same thing happens on the other trinitron monitor I use at school;
The refresh rate I pick isn't what the monitor uses. If I set it to 1600x1200 @ 85Hz, it does 75kHz/60Hz..
Wtf?
Thrax (and the rest of you talking in this thread), your BIOS, monitor and card are using DDC or DDC2 to set a rate independently of Windows. Cards and monitors that support DDC or DDC2 can talk to each othr and "agree" on what works for the screen res and color depth combos you choose. Hardware is overriding what you set.
In XP, in the Advanced dialog for your card and monitor, there is a way to get the dialog to tell you what the monitor and card think can be done. there is a checkbox next to a phrase that starts with "hide" and reversing the selection of that checkbox brings up a different mode list than the default list. The default list is per the driver defaults. Monitors cannot always use the driver defaults. What you get by reversing the selection state for that one check box is a list of the rate modes given in the inf file XP is trying to use for that monitor. If the modes do not match the monitor manual, then DDC can override the choices you make. And you get a rematching to a rate that the display handlers use and the card and monitor can both actually DO via a DDC signal exchange. I would look on Dell's site for an inf file for monitor nwer than the stock XP driver on CD. XP comes with PNP inf files, adn some OEM supplied inf files as of when the CD ISO was finalized. Many manufacturesrs have to adjust these later, and they stick them on their websites-- so you can get an XP inf file that does not apply to your monitor, and later find a more accurate one on the monitor mfr's website.
I can set 85 for my monitor, I get 72. DDC at work. The lower the refresh rate at any one Kelvin, the warmer things look, and the higher the refresh rate at same kelvin, if you are near the edge of the monitor or card's limits(whichever is lower), the bluer (and darker) things look.
john d.
Gonzo
14 Feb 2004, 11:51pm
Hello there, I just got my hands on a Compaq p1100 for a mere £100 :). anyhow I turned it on and works like a charm but at close inspection I can make out 2 small lines near the centre of the screen (about ----- <that size but grey and not dashed:) ) anyone know what it could be, ive tried lower resolutions, refresh rates etc. I read somewhere that it could be interference but I can’t think of anything close that can be causing it.
drasnor
15 Feb 2004, 12:06am
Hello there, I just got my hands on a Compaq p1100 for a mere £100 :). anyhow I turned it on and works like a charm but at close inspection I can make out 2 small lines near the centre of the screen (about ----- <that size but grey and not dashed:) ) anyone know what it could be, ive tried lower resolutions, refresh rates etc. I read somewhere that it could be interference but I can’t think of anything close that can be causing it.
Yeah, those two lines are wire supports for the aperture grille in your flat screen CRT monitor. They're on every single aperture grille monitor in existence. Now say hello and get used to your new friends :D.
-drasnor :fold:
I just obtained a refurbed dell ultrascan p991 and found your interesting thread on the 990's and 1100's. Maybe y'all can help me?
This monitor is awesome except for one little problem, there is a slight vertical "bend" upwards in the horizontal middle of the screen. It's subtle but my eyes definitely see the bow effect and it's annoying as my 17" never had such an issue.
None of the geometry settings can fix the issue as there doesn't seem to be a fix for vertical bends, only horizontal ones? :(
I am using a nvidia geforce mx video card, perhaps this can be fixed through the card? Powerstrip doesn't seem to have such an ability but maybe some other software does?
Thanks for any help!
DogSoldier
11 Mar 2004, 12:47pm
Interesting, I never noticed til you mentioned it. (And i thought this thread was kilt) but I do have a slight vertical bow, (Just measured it with a straight edge) nothing radical.. maybe a pixel or two. I guess it doesn't bother me.
Straight_Man
11 Mar 2004, 3:34pm
I just obtained a refurbed dell ultrascan p991 and found your interesting thread on the 990's and 1100's. Maybe y'all can help me?
This monitor is awesome except for one little problem, there is a slight vertical "bend" upwards in the horizontal middle of the screen. It's subtle but my eyes definitely see the bow effect and it's annoying as my 17" never had such an issue.
None of the geometry settings can fix the issue as there doesn't seem to be a fix for vertical bends, only horizontal ones? :(
I am using a nvidia geforce mx video card, perhaps this can be fixed through the card? Powerstrip doesn't seem to have such an ability but maybe some other software does?
Thanks for any help!
Ok, first, is you monitor absolutely flat screened???
Most CRT monitors are not actually totally flat. So, to fix, you change the height of monitor relative to eyes, and the angle it is looking at you at (IE, you want top of monitor at top of head and to have it angeled so the middle of screen is pointing at center of eyes.
Then, to adjust, see if it has an on-screen display. If so, you can minimize distortion by adjusting the picture to center of screen, then look for the size controls, vertical and horizontal, and get them so minimum even black is around picture to screen edge.
Nest step is to see if the monitor has pincushion adjustment. What pincushioning adjustment does is to move the centering of the aim of the gun to the screen "painting area." Yes, you are using electronics to "paint" a very dense bitmapped picture, using flourescing chemicals to do this. The pincushioning is caused, if it is not still centered, by the "gun" that shoots electronic beams at the pizel structure of flourescing chemicals being a tib off center. If adjusting height and tilt of montior does not fix your curve, then aim is slightly off. monitors are very sensitive to being jostled, trick is to tilt gently.
Tall folks have been known to use a monitor arm and tray on end to adjust height just right. Short folks use mostly tilt to get rid of the curve as much as possible.
My 17 inch X-Flat KDs was bit low, and I had to raise it on a book or two to get it high enough. My LCD had curvatures, but I fixed that by keeping it low and using a back tilt to minimize them. I also used the fine tuning, and ended up cusotm tunign the refresh rate so it was not quite per manual-- it was best at 72 for vert refresh instead of the nominal 75 max at res I had set.
Remember I said that the monitors were sensitive to jostling??? They get a lot of that in shipping and your unpacking-- guaranteed! So, when you get a monitor, play with the OSD (on-screen display) and sync it to your card as far as refresh rate and the position of display, and refresh ratings per the monitor manual. The otehr thing, is speakers right close to amonitor can casue bends in display with mag fields from speaker magnets, speakers are best if not within a foot or two of monitor, and best for big speakers or woofers is SEVERAL or more feet away from monitor of CRt type. LCDs are not as good quality of pic for same price, but much less mag field sensitive... :D
John D-- with a mini-HowTo on monitors and how to get best results with them.
Matthew Doucette
4 Jun 2004, 10:00pm
TheSmJ & others,
I own both a Compaq P1100 and a Dell P1110. However, the P1100 will not go above 85Hz in any mode. It shows as a "Plug and Play Monitor" so I think my drivers are the problem. I do not have the driver disc, but I did download the drivers from:
http://www.compaq.com/support/files/ to here...
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/files/monitors/us/index.html (filled in P1100 and Windows XP Home) to here...
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/files/monitors/us/download/14322.html
Now, when I went to install these drivers, "P1100" was not in the list! I had to choose "other monitor"! I went back to the page and noticed it says:
"Adds support for the following Compaq monitors: 5500, S920, M720, 7500, 7550, 9500, P720, P920, P1220, 5017, TFT5030, 7020, TFT8030."
No P1100!
...
So, can anyone help me find the proper drivers to allow my monitor to go into higher refresh modes than 85Hz?
Thanks!
TheSmJ
4 Jun 2004, 10:06pm
TheSmJ,
I own both a Compaq P1100 and a Dell P1110.
However, The Compaq P1100 will (incorrectly) only go as high as 85Hz in every mode and shows up as a "Plug and Play Monitor".
I do not have the driver disc, but I did download the drivers from
http://www.compaq.com/support/files/ to here...
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/files/monitors/us/index.html (filled in P1100 and Windows XP Home) to here...
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/files/monitors/us/download/14322.html
Now, when I went to install these drivers, "P1100" was not in the list! I had to choose "other monitor"! I went back to the page and noticed it says:
"Adds support for the following Compaq monitors: 5500, S920, M720, 7500, 7550, 9500, P720, P920, P1220, 5017, TFT5030, 7020, TFT8030."
No P1100!
...
So, can anyone help me find the proper drivers to allow my monitor to go into higher refresh modes than 85Hz?
Thanks!
My driver works just spiffy. I'll post them tonight if I remember.
Because it's not "Digitally Signed", I have to change the monitor driver from "Plug and Play" to "Compaq P1100" in the compatible drivers list. It then whines about it not being signed, I accept, and it loads fine from then on (until I un-install the video card).
As for the refresh, mine works great at 1280x1024 @ 100Hz, but I have to select it as an "unsupported refresh rate". The reason for this is this refresh rate at this rez isn't supported by Compaq, but the monitor itself is capable of it.
Matthew Doucette
4 Jun 2004, 10:58pm
As for the refresh, mine works great at 1280x1024 @ 100Hz, but I have to select it as an "unsupported refresh rate". The reason for this is this refresh rate at this rez isn't supported by Compaq, but the monitor itself is capable of it.First of all, thanks for the help.
I can, in the Advanced Display properties, uncheck "hide modes that this monitor cannot display" and put the refresh higher, however I am not sure what rates are OK for the display.
As far as I know the P1100 meets or beast the P1110 in every mode, so I could do it like that. However, it would be nice if the drivers would feed Windows the proper data in the first place.
TheSmJ
5 Jun 2004, 12:28am
A link I'm hosting:
http://thesmj.no-ip.org:91/mdrivers.zip
Matthew Doucette
5 Jun 2004, 5:01pm
I cannot download that link. Can you check it for me?
Two more questions:
1) if you have to "but I have to select it as an 'unsupported refresh rate'", then what is the difference from me doing this right now?
2) what happens if I put my refresh higher than the monitor supports? I am assuming it will not break down immediately, but instead just show a garbled screen or something weird. Is my assumption correct?
Thanks!
bothered
5 Jun 2004, 7:35pm
I have two iiyama vision master pros, a 17 inch (kids) and a 19 inch. They are both excellent. I would like a 21 inch though, hmmm, I wonder where understanding wife is?
I cannot download that link. Can you check it for me?
Two more questions:
1) if you have to "but I have to select it as an 'unsupported refresh rate'", then what is the difference from me doing this right now?
2) what happens if I put my refresh higher than the monitor supports? I am assuming it will not break down immediately, but instead just show a garbled screen or something weird. Is my assumption correct?
Thanks!
Sorry about the link... I think my computer crashed (Hasn't happened in a month, but it makes perfect sence for it to do it the night I leave). I'd reboot it now but I'm in DC until Monday night.
1. It's useful if you use the special RGB color mode on the monitor (If you dont know what this is, than you aren't) as Windows is supposed to have a color driver to match. Otherwise, it just changes the name of the monitor in the Display properties.
2. The monitor will not attempt a refresh rate higher than it can support. Go ahead and set it to 200hz, and an OSD window will pop up telling you the refresh rate is higher than the monitor could handle (wait 30 seconds without pressing a key, and Windows will bring the refresh rate back to what it was before the change). Back in the day when monitors had no protection from this, it was very easy to kill the color guns (I've done it before) simply by setting the refresh SLIGHTLY higher than what the monitor could do (but not enough to make it immediatly apparent). Now adays it's more for peice of mind, and because some people still use 10 year old monitors.
EDIT:
Link should be working again... the computer hibernated for some odd reason.
Matthew Doucette
6 Jun 2004, 9:55pm
TheSmJ, the link worked this time. Your file is exactly the same as the driver file I downloaded (explained in a previous post above), "SP20493.exe", and it was the same file. I used "fc /b" (file compare, binary mode) to test this.
Again, These drivers did not "unlock" the higher refresh modes. When I install them, it does not have "P1100" as a choice, instead I have to choose "other monitor", again as explained in a previous post above. Do these drivers work for you?
I do not know what you mean by "if you use the special RGB color mode on the monitor". Can you elaborate please?
Thanks for your help.
TheSmJ
6 Jun 2004, 11:02pm
TheSmJ, the link worked this time. Your file is exactly the same as the driver file I downloaded (explained in a previous post above), "SP20493.exe", and it was the same file. I used "fc /b" (file compare, binary mode) to test this.
Again, These drivers did not "unlock" the higher refresh modes. When I install them, it does not have "P1100" as a choice, instead I have to choose "other monitor", again as explained in a previous post above. Do these drivers work for you?
I do not know what you mean by "if you use the special RGB color mode on the monitor". Can you elaborate please?
Thanks for your help.
The drivers work great for me... I dunno what else to tell you.
As far as the RGB mode, there is a special RGB mode the monitor can do which allows for the printer to print the EXACT same color/temp as what you see on the monitor. I'd tell you how to do it, but I'm not in front of it at the moment, and I dont use it anyways.
Matthew Doucette
7 Jun 2004, 1:59pm
The drivers work great for me... I dunno what else to tell you.Do they enable all the refresh modes? You implied earlier that you still have to disable "hide modes that this monitor cannot display". Is this true? The drivers should show all the allowed modes.
Also, I am running 1024x768 @ 120Hz, but I think the monitor can go to 140Hz (but Windows only shows 120Hz, then 150Hz):
http://compaq.t1.com/products/monitors/professional/p1100.html
"Supports 1024 x 768 at up to an astounding 140Hz and 1280 x 1024 at up to 110Hz for flicker free images and greater comfort of use"
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