Home for SM21

[GnomeWizardd]

Well the frogs are creeping forward and we need all the folding power we can get
SM20 is up Its finaky but its up. We have all the parts now we gotta find a home for this bad boy!

I didnt wanna start this thread since I want to throw my name In the hat but its been 2 days since the parts have been counted for and no selction thread has been started! so lets get the selection going so we can get it together and folding to fend off those Damn frogs!


/me starts it off and throws my name in the hat!


List:
GnomeWizardd
Bud
Madmat
Pseudonym
FatCat

[t1rhino]

Someone needs to post the host requirements. :)

[Thrax]

<b>Current Hopefuls:</b>
<i>GnomeWizardd</i>
<i>Bud</i>
<i>Madmat</i>

<b>RULES FOR BEING A VALID SMx CANDIDATE:</B>

1) Team member must be in good standing and have shown dedication to Team Short-Media, former Team Icrontic, and the Folding@Home project for the long haul. Past participation and contributions are taken into account. <b>Please remember this now also includes keeping at least one machine other than the SMx rig folding for Team 93. You must be an active member to participate and continue participating.</b>

2) The member must be able to provide SM21 with a safe and secure environment for an extended period of time - this means an indeterminate period.

3) You must be knowledgeable in building computers and loading operating systems, and all that is entailed. You are at Short-Media.com, there is a wealth of knowledge, use it. In the event the rig should fail, the host is expected to make a good effort in trying to repair the rig and report to the team what is going on.

4) Dedicated, "always-on" Internet connection 24/7, 56K and up, and a free port on an existing network (we don't normally supply routers/hubs/switches with the SMx rig). If the internet connection should fail, the host is expected to make good faith efforts to get back online as soon as is possible.

5) The computer must run and as a result, "Fold" 24/7. (Yes, the Team is generous enough to allow you to go on vacation and turn it off.) Keep in mind that 24-hour operating will increase your electricity bill by up to a few dollars per month. The Team expects the host to make good faith efforts to keep the rig running as much as is possible.

6) The computer shall fold for Team #93, under the user name of "SMx" exclusively unless it has been voted on to make it differently. The team can/will monitor the rigs output by way of statistics provided by Stanford, Statsman and the like.

7) In the event the host can no longer host the SMx rig or he/she is not able to run the rig for an extended period of time due to things like being called to duty in the armed forces for example, it is to be found a new host by normal host selection process.

8) What does the host get out of this? The pride of being able to host a SMx Folding rig, one of very few to earn this privilege. To be able to help Team Short-Media be the best team and the F@H project find cures.

9) Due to recent issues concerning the longevity of SMx boxes, the machine currently being considered, and all successors thereof will be shipped to its host completely assembled. All parts destined for this machine, and future SMx machines will arrive to a pre-determined, upstanding member of the Short-Media folding team for assembly prior to the host receiving it.
<b>This member is currently:</b> <i>Seth Kwitko/Mr. Kwitko/TD_Isles/TylerDurden</i>

10) A legally binding contract must be signed before the host receives his/her SMx machine. The contract is to be considered carefully, and recognized as a document that holds the individual who signs it responsible to all clauses therein. The host of the SMx machine for which this contract is designed may not host the SMx machine without a valid signature.

Disclaimer;
- All Team-donated parts that go into a SMx donated Folding@Home computer are property of the Short-Media.com Folding@Home Team.
- Short-Media.com, and/or its owner(s), and/or administrator(s), and/or moderator(s), and/or member(s), shall not be held responsible or liable for any losses incurred either directly, or indirectly as a result of hosting any SMx rig. The host selected shall bear full responsibility for said rig. By applying to be selected as a host, you acknowledge you understand, agree with, and will abide by these rules as set forth here and as may be amended in the future as required.
-Hosts must provide contact information such as phone number and address in case an emergency contact needs to be made.

NOTE; This entire project and the rules set forth above is/are based on TRUST. We, the team, trust that you, the host, will do all you can to keep the rig folding as much as is possible, in its name, for the Short-Media.com Folding Team. You, the host, trust, that we, Team Short-Media, support you in every way we can.

So anyone that can meet the requirements posted above and would like to host such a machine, please enter your name in the 'hat' and a host will be picked in a week depending on the number of entries.

Any other useful info like internet connection, hosting facilities, and experience would help the committee greatly in choosing a host for SM21.

The time has come to add your name in the hat.

[Bud]

Id like to throw my name in

[Bud]

how do you guys decide who gets to host sm21

[GnomeWizardd]

there is a voting commitee that will vote between whoever they think is the most suitable host.

[mmonnin]

No one, and I mean no one, is getting SM21 until a signed contract is returned saying the host will keep it up or return it. We are serious. This is going to be a legal contract. If you guys cant keep the machine running, dont have the time or the dedication, or knowledge to keep an SMx machine running dont put your name in the hat.

Nice copy and paste Thrax. Forgot to edit something from when it was previously posted.;)

If anyone has any parts to donate, get in contact with TD/Seth/whatever you want to call him, cause he will be shipping the WHOLE computer (maybe minus the case) to the host. That is only after the contract has been returned signed and all. This is how it is going to happen from now on. The sooner he has a complete computer the sooner all this can happen.

[Gargoyle]

Of course, that's less cancer we're curing while we're waiting on the contract...

[Thrax]

See addendums 9 and 10 to the SMx rules.

[Jimborae]

If your considering overseas members this time round I want to throw my name into the hat. If I am successful I could provide a case to reduce shipping costs.

What are the specs of SM-21 to get an idea of folding power?

[mmonnin]

Gargoyle had this to say
Of course, that's less cancer we're curing while we're waiting on the contract...

We lose WAY MORE WUs because of abandoned machines. Machines that dont return WUs for weeks with no word.

It should be a KD7 I think maybe, a 2500+ and some PC3200. Should be the best SMx machine yet.

Jim: Sorry but if there are enough members that want to donate they it can be a possibility. For now we are sticking with USA/Canada machines. Sorry mate.

[madmat]

I would like to host SM21 so I'd like to throw my hat in the ring as well.
I know I'm kind of new but I have all the requirements and I'd like to be able to help the team.

[Bud]

when do we find out who is hosting sm21

[GnomeWizardd]

when ever they vote.

I have no Problem Signing a contract! BTW what if the person who is voted for has over half the parts himself and is gonna donate them no matter what?? I think 5 or 6 main parts are coming from me this time round.


And a Contract is a smart thing! Make sure you put in the contract that IF for some odd reason you will not be able to host it any more that you will return the machine to the parts manager!

[GnomeWizardd]

Oh one question! Is there a specific OS the team wants this thing to fold under? I dont think I will ever leave 2k again!

[Thrax]

Win2k is quickest for just about everything.

[GnomeWizardd]

And more secure!

[mmonnin]

Send it anyway.

[GHoosdum]

I can see that the rules for hosting have become a lot more restrictive with the whole contract thing here. Does this mean that the host is monetarily responsible for replacing all failed components in the rig in order to maintain a level of uptime that is satsfactory to the team? Or that it must be shipped back to Mr. Kwitko if a component fails, and he then replaces the component and ships it back to the host? Or will the team still provide replacements for failed components, but incur the same level of inefficiency we still have in the process (particularly as can be seen in the sad story of SM20)?

Also, Thrax, you need to make the 20 a 21 in rule #2 there.

[Thrax]

Fixedfixedfixed.

Thanks GH. :)

[Enverex]

Normally, if something fails then you can replace it yourself if you happen to have a spare whatever lying about, but normally, you just request the new bit of kit to replace the old one and do it that way.

Just purely out of interest, how long have Bud and MadMat been around?

[profdlp]

GHoosdum had this to say
I can see that the rules for hosting have become a lot more restrictive with the whole contract thing here.
Please be assured that we're not trying to make it tough on anyone who is doing a good job taking care on a SMx computer. We are just trying to protect the team's interests by making sure we have a way to rectify the (rare) situation where a host is not doing their job.

Let's face it, part donations are going to go way down (or dry up completely...) if people see the ram or cpu they donated sitting idly in someones closet, and not Folding for the team.

Everyone on the team appreciates the great job being done by the vast majority of the hosts. It is the occasional person who seems not to give a hoot who has made it necessary to tighten things up.


Does this mean that the host is monetarily responsible for replacing all failed components in the rig in order to maintain a level of uptime that is satsfactory to the team?
No! They are the team's rigs. The team will take care of them. Naturally, it would be hugely appreciated if the host didn't mind replacing a minor part here and there, but there is no obligation.


Or that it must be shipped back to Mr. Kwitko if a component fails, and he then replaces the component and ships it back to the host?
No way we'd spend dozens of dollars in shipping (twice!) to replace an $8 NIC, not to mention the risk of having the UPS guy drop it off the back of the truck...


Or will the team still provide replacements for failed components, but incur the same level of inefficiency we still have in the process (particularly as can be seen in the sad story of SM20)?
That's the idea behind having a central parts manager. Want to donate? You'll know right where to send the part. Something fail? You'll know exactly who to ask for a replacement. Please be patient - we're still in the process of getting this going. SM20 had the double misfortune of A) having some parts DOA, and B) being built during the transition process. We're trying to make sure we have everything 100% (hardware-wise, and team-wise) for SM21. Once the process has the bugs worked out we anticipate rolling out computers like never before. With all of the nifty hardware just starting to catch on (PCI Express, SATA, etc) we anticipate having even more recently-upgraded parts available.

[mmonnin]

prof is right. We will find replacement parts but the hosts will do the most they can to keep her running and to diagnose whats wrong.

[Bud]

Enverex ive been here about 5-6 months. I know Im new but Id really like to be a host,. Ive become addicted to folding

[GHoosdum]

prof - why don't you put your name in the hat to host a rig? There's no rule stopping you now!

Also, although I don't plan on putting my name in the host-hat, at least until I move out of my parents' house, I love to build PCs more than I love to use them - so Mr. Kwitko if you ever need any relief on the construction duties, I'd be more than happy to help!

[Kwitko]

GHood, thanks for the offer. When I retire from the parts manager role I'll be sure to recommend you as my more than worthy successor.

The point of having a parts manager is twofold. First is stress-testing, second is efficient shipping.

I'll be assembling complete machines and stress-testing them for at least 48 hours to make sure nothing fails. Once I see the system is good to go, I'll send out the parts to the host.

If a part fails, it's at the discretion of the box owner and the parts manager to decide if shipping would be worth it. Yes, prof, as you said, shipping an $8 NIC is silly. Shipping a PSU is not.

If you replace working parts on your own, say to upgrade the processor or memory, that needs to be shipped back to the parts manager for use in another machine. This way we don't have parts sitting in 14 different states. If another machine fails, we then can ship out a replacement through the parts manager.

[profdlp]

GHoosdum had this to say
prof - why don't you put your name in the hat to host a rig?
I probably will at some point. No use letting those extra ports on the router go to waste. :D

It looked like I was going to have to make a sudden long-distance move last Fall, then maybe again in January. Now it's looking like July. Once I know where I'll be living for the next few years I'll likely go for it.

:thumbsup: :fold:

[GnomeWizardd]

so its the three of us Me bud and Madmat. Is that all??

[t1rhino]

I don't know if I am eligible, but I would throw my name in the hat again.

[GnomeWizardd]

NO WAY!!! you throw your name in we all lose any hope of possibly being chosen!!!! lol j/k I have no clue if you are able too

[Gargoyle]

What concerns me about a central parts manager is having to ship each component twice. Someone is footing the bill, whether it's Mr. Kwitko (not really fair to him) or the team fund (no sense draining that).

I don't really see the advantage of stress testing it at a different site than the host site. The host can just as easily notify the team of a faulty part.

The parts manager idea is great for organization, but I don't see the benefits justifiying the increased cost of shipping. That's money that can go towards more parts.

By the way, how was the parts manager idea decided in the first place? Did I miss that thread?

[profdlp]

mmonnin had this to say
Former hosts are eligible but not ones on the committee.


mmonnin had this to say
Former hosts are eligible but not ones on the committee.


mmonnin had this to say
Former hosts are eligible but not ones on the committee.
Are you sure?




;D ;D ;D

[mmonnin]

No it was discussed amoung some of us. There have been way too many delays with shipping and parts going bad. This is how it is going to be. If anyone wants to donate a part just send it to Seth. Whenever you feel like donating it. Not when we need it. If he has all the parts all the time it wont be so bad.

Former hosts are eligible but not ones on the committee.

The damn page didnt refresh so I didnt think it posted. Damn thing.

[fatcat]

I'd like to throw my name in the hat. I can run 24/7 and have no problem signing a contract. I meet all the requirements, and hell, come Janurary I'll have been folding for 2yrs now...even got a Project 106 under muh belt :D

[GHoosdum]

And FC's got a great custom title, too! ;)

[GnomeWizardd]

well since we are listing cridentials.

I been a part of Icrontic since Apus hardware and migrated over here when all the stuff happened

Been folding since my old k6-2 under GnomeWizardd untill I was done moving and building a house and done with HS then i got this nice machine i saved for!

I have substantial Computer Hardware knowledge since i Built pcs for 3 years.

I have a 24/7 56k Connection as a Backup to my 24/7 Sat Connection.

I am also willing to upgrade it like its my own. Most Likely if I am chosen It will get this nf7-s I am going to be replacing in a month or so. then save the old parts and build more machines!

I have a clear station right next to my main rig with a spare 19 in Hitachi


Oh and not to mention I live at S-m unless I am with my g/f or work!

[GHoosdum]

Wow Gnome - that 2500 will probably OC like a beast if you put the nf7-s in the PC... SM21 would be the highest producing SMx rig, even over IC2...

[GnomeWizardd]

I am gonna be getting the New abit board prolly The AN7 I ahve in one of my Clients pcs and I am Fairly impressed with it! I got the same chip in it that I have in mine ( amd 3000+) But the A7N oc's 50mhz more almost to 2450 I am sitting at 2400 in my rig

[GHoosdum]

The AN7? I've heard some bad news about that one, tho...

[GnomeWizardd]

I was sceptical but the Client was persistant aso I got it. It was finaky until I flashed the Bios

[mondi]

GHoosdum had this to say
Wow Gnome - that 2500 will probably OC like a beast if you put the nf7-s in the PC... SM21 would be the highest producing SMx rig, even over IC2...

right you are ... looking at the specs this machine rivals some users primary rigs ...

especially with that Kyro :D

[GnomeWizardd]

hey now! dont diss my kyro! At the time it was a goodcard for the price! plus it does out perform my old gayforce 3 i used to have!

[Thrax]

Anything can be "Good" if the price is low enough.. Doesn't mean it really <i>is</i> good.

[mondi]

thank you thrax ... I wrote the bulk of my vis.synth on a "gayforce 3" .. why .. cos it rocked ... alot harder than any card at the time ..

that being said ... the host of this rig better post some 3dmarks :)

should be interesting

[GnomeWizardd]

true but Compared to a Gayforce 3 mx it was heaven!

[Thrax]

There was no GeForce3 MX. Only 2 and 4MX.

The GeForce4 MX did not exist when the GeForce3 line did. Therefore you bought a GeForce2 MX, and that was your undoing.

Anything was better than that card because it was a <i>budget card</i>. You get what you pay for.

[GnomeWizardd]

you are right Sir Thrax! /me goes and digs through my parts bin to check what it was!

[GnomeWizardd]

welp I am reading the card and its a gayforce 2 mx so its def a big POS !

[Thrax]

;)

[pseudonym]

/me throws his name in the hat.

[Lincoln]

Current List:
GnomeWizardd
Bud
Madmat
Pseudonym


Please note that this thread was started a bit prematurely, so it may be a bit until the new host is voted on, etc. We still have a good number of details that need to be ironed out and I think we are still missing pieces for SM21.

[t1rhino]

profdlp had this to say
mmonnin had this to say
Former hosts are eligible but not ones on the committee.


mmonnin had this to say
Former hosts are eligible but not ones on the committee.


mmonnin had this to say
Former hosts are eligible but not ones on the committee.
Are you sure?




;D ;D ;D

I guess that's what I get for not reading everything through.
;D

[GnomeWizardd]

GK We went through the list

http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7681

Media Man has been paid and mobo is on its way to me S othats covered


I already have the HD mounted in the case and the dvd in the case. and the Kyro sitting right next to me. So thats over half the parts

So all thats needed is a PS Ram and CPU and its complete!

[mmonnin]

Gnome send it to Seth. Do it or we will find something else. You were supposed to have it send directly to him anyway.

[Lincoln]

mmonnin had this to say
Gnome send it to Seth. Do it or we will find something else. You were supposed to have it send directly to him anyway.

/me coughs loudly a few times

Gnome, if you would be ever so kind as to forward pieces to Mr Kwitko so that we can properly assertain that we have a full, working system then we will be most happy and immediately move to vote on a host and get this baby folding :) Thanks!

[GnomeWizardd]

/me sends PM to Mediaman to ship it to Seth!

[GnomeWizardd]

Anyone knows seths addy so I can ship case/dvd rom/hd/video card too him?

[mondi]

GnomeWizardd had this to say
Anyone knows seths addy so I can ship case/dvd rom/hd/video card too him?

YGPM

[Bud]

so Enverex i joined 2 months ago but been reading for 5-6 months

[Enverex]

Bud had this to say
so Enverex i joined 2 months ago but been reading for 5-6 months

You have already said that once.

[Bud]

i said i joined 5-6 months ago but i got confused and have been reading 5-6 months but didnt join til about 2 months ago.

[GnomeWizardd]

this is NOT a competition of who has been here the longest! It is infact whomever the voting committe feels is the best person for the Job!

[GHoosdum]

True, Gnome - usually it's a matter of who's shown most dedication to the team, and fits the qualifications, such as dedicated internet connection, port on a hub, KVM switch, etc.

[Enverex]

GnomeWizardd had this to say
this is NOT a competition of who has been here the longest! It is infact whomever the voting committe feels is the best person for the Job!

I think you will fail to find a time that I said it was. I simply inquired as to when Mat and Bud joined us.

[GnomeWizardd]

d00d! dont take it as I was pointing at you! If i was I would typed your name in! It wasa retorical thingy ya know?

[Enverex]

Fair enough. Couldn't tell from the reply. Rhetorical is when an answer is not expected, where as what you said wasn't a question and therefore couldn't have actually been answered, therefore making it neither rhetorical or a question. It was just basically a statement. :)

[fatcat]

General Keebler had this to say
Current List:
GnomeWizardd
Bud
Madmat
Pseudonym

um...ok I guess no one noticed my post?...

[QUOTE]FatCat had this to say
like to throw my name in the hat. I can run 24/7 and have no problem signing a contract. I meet all the requirements, and hell, come Janurary I'll have been folding for 2yrs now...even got a Project 106 under muh belt [QUOTE]

[GnomeWizardd]

sorry d00der! i will edit the list now!

[Leonardo]

this is NOT a competition of who has been here the longest!

Indeed. Criteria that we the SMX candidate selection committee consider are both subjective and objective:

Dedication to the Short-Media Folding@Home Team
Material contributions to the Short-Media Forums in general
Longevity with the Team and with the Forums (indicator of
potential loyalty)
Perceived proficiency with computer hardware and software
Positive attitude (or lack thereof)
Required criteria - as mentioned in the post presented by Thrax

The list goes on. The committee is not infallible; but we are senior members in loyalty and leadership and usually arrive at good decisions after very carefull considerations, and sometimes deliberations.



Leonardo

[Thrax]

Hey Leo! Good to see you! :D

[GnomeWizardd]

I was wondering when leo was gonna get in this!

[Leonardo]

I was wondering when leo was gonna get in this!

Right. I've been out of town about half the time over the past two months. I care as much as I ever have; just have had precious little opportunity to be active here.

[Bud]

anyone have a clue when we find out where sm21 is going? not trying to rush just curious

[GHoosdum]

Usually they take about a week of names and then a few days of deliberations. So I'd guess... around New Year's?

[Bud]

k thanks GHoosdum

[mmonnin]

Maybe longer this time. Contract comes first.

[GnomeWizardd]

contract reqquires send it ain an email print it out and fax it back with a sig!

[Bud]

any news on where sm21 is going?

[GnomeWizardd]

notta that I know of

[Enverex]

Faxes really aren't that useful, same goes for e-mails. If you are going to do contracts then I recommend doing it properly and mailing them.

[mmonnin]

SM20 not stable yet. A new motherboard and some RAM will be sent out shortly.

Keep your panties on guys. SM21 will not happen w/o a contract. And after that another one will not be built until we get contracts back from all the other hosts. And right now I cannot get ahold of Film down in florida for anything.

[gtghm]

SM20 not stable yet. A new motherboard and some RAM will be sent out shortly.

Keep your panties on guys. SM21 will not happen w/o a contract. And after that another one will not be built until we get contracts back from all the other hosts. And right now I cannot get ahold of Film down in florida for anything.

Boy I hope that I haven't been a source of controversy with the bit of off luck concerning SM20.

[Kwitko]

No, not at all, 'g', but we certainly want to make sure you're in good working condition before we go forward. No sense in having incomplete machines out there.

[GnomeWizardd]

Hey Mr K can you pm your ddy I gotta ship this case / hd/ vid dvd rom to you for sm21

[muddocktor]

gtghm, I'll be packaging up my old KG7-R board to send it to you shortly. I just got back from the rig last night and I've had to take care of some stuff earlier today. Mr. Kwitko will be sending you some ddr for the board so that you can get SM20 up and running. The KG7 board was working just fine when I took it out of service a few months ago when I upgraded my daughter's rig to the Chaintech dually board and I reused my registered ddr on her rig. The KG7 doesn't require registered ddr unless you are populating more than 2 ram slots with memory, so running 1 stick of unbuffered ddr won't be any problem.

[gtghm]

Cool, I mentioned to mmonnin that I used to have a KG7 so I'm pretty familur with the board. :)
No onborad, video or nic if I remember correctly.

[GHoosdum]

Huh? What was wrong with the board I donated?!?!? Ran just fine for 2+ years for my sister... I just donated it because of an upgrade...

[muddocktor]

Huh? What was wrong with the board I donated?!?!? Ran just fine for 2+ years for my sister... I just donated it because of an upgrade...

If you read this thread here, (http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7946) you will see that a cap on that board was messed up and gtghm couldn't get it working right.

"g", right on the KG7, no oboard video or nic.

[Buddy J]

I'm not against a contract or anything, but for it to hold up, the person who signs it must be 18 or older. Is there a provision for the younger members of the team to have their parents sign, or are we instating an age limit on the hosts?

Also, whoever is drawing this thing up should have it checked by someone with a legal background to make sure it will hold up in court. I guess the team should also start a legal defense fund incase someone wants to go to court over hosting the system... After all, if this is going to become a legal issue instead of just based on trust, we can't make hollow threats. The team better be willing to enforce the rules and policies it is instating.

I guess all I'm asking is that if it's going to be done, please do it right.