Mitsubishi Eclipse

[Slick]

I cannot figure out the difference in the models. I love the one that looks smooth and flowing. I absolutely hate the one where it has like gouges in the doors and front bumpers. I am assuming these are different models of the Eclipse or something, if anyone knows the difference, please tell :). I want information about the smooth flowing one :).

[Kwitko]

I'm guessing you want the 2nd generation (I think it's 2nd) Eclipse. Check out model years 95-99.

[Slick]

Well my friend has a 95 and it has the ugly gouges, but I am pretty sure the 99's do not.

[fatcat]

top pic is '05-
left pic is '00-'04
right pic is '95-'99

[Buddy J]

http://www.motortrend.com/motor/autoshows/coverage/112_0401_detroit_mitsu_ee_z.jpg

This is the new Eclipse concept

[TheBaron]

you want a 2nd gen eclipse.
the most commonly seen model is the GS, and the totally toit model is the GS-T (TURBO MOTHERTRUCKER). that 2nd one is what you want.

i dont feel like writing anymore, you can go look crap up

[Templar]

http://www.motortrend.com/motor/autoshows/coverage/112_0401_detroit_mitsu_ee_z.jpg

This is the new Eclipse concept

Uhhhh-gly. All I got to say..

[Bud]

I agree Templar UGLY!

[Thrax]

Disagree.

[mmonnin]

I hate what they are doing to new cars having all the squate edges and crap. FUGLY. The one above thats orage looks like a bigger warped beatle.

[Armo]

does that concept have a pot for boiling rice ?

[Camman]

I'm thinking my next car is going to be an eclipse of the 00-04 variety, I love the way they look...need to get a new car soon too, hopefully I can get a GS-T so it can have some bawls too :)

[Rot Katze]

I heard they suck really bad, mechanicly and durability wise

[celcho]

yeah. i have a friend that has mitsu eclipse (2000 or maybe 2001) and it's just not a well built car. low quality parts throughout the interior. i don't think he's had any mechanical trouble, though, so that's good.

[Slick]

I want to get a 99 GS-T and rice it out :).

[Rot Katze]

yeah. i have a friend that has mitsu eclipse (2000 or maybe 2001) and it's just not a well built car. low quality parts throughout the interior. i don't think he's had any mechanical trouble, though, so that's good.

that's the same I've heard, after a few thousand miles everything just starts falling apart..

and I've only heard of it in those later model ones too..the older ones appear to be running strong

[Clutch]

I want to get a 99 GS-T and rice it out :).


:grumble: My sis had a 98 eclipse it was an RS model, it was sooo freakin slow, I could beat it on foot, literally. I hate eclipses, very poorly made cars. And the interior's are cheap as crap, or I know my sis 98 was.

[Geeky1]

PERSONALLY, I think they're all fugly. The first-generation ones (the ones that shared a platform with the Eagle Talon) looked OK, but they've gone downhill from there, and the concept is the ugliest thing I've seen since the Lexus SC430 went into production. *gag*

[Slick]

Well it will have more balls than my 95' sunfire, an automatic 3 speed sporting about 120 horsepower.

[mmonnin]

Geeky: You think everything but a Benz is fugly.;)

[Geeky1]

:rolleyes: I do not.

I like most of the GM F-Bodies (Firebird, Camaro), the '79-'93 (?) Mustang GTs, the '71-'73 Mustang Mach 1s, all GTOs, most Chrysler corp. muscle cars, the Cobra and it's A/C parent, the Triumph TR-6, most Corvettes (excluding the early C4s), the Nissan Skyline, except the new G35/Skyline, the Ferrari 308/328, the Ferrari GTO (Both the 250 and the later GTO), almost all front-engine/rear drive Ferraris, Most Lamborghinis, some Maseratis, and numerous others.

[mcwc]

<3 2nd gen.
Where's the turbo in the 3rd gen and I don't like it's styling at all. It lost the boy racer image.
The concept, http://www3.telus.net/mcwc/smilies/puke.gif. It looks more like something out of a RPG game then something that should be on the streets. What are japanese car designers smoking nowadays?

Here are some more shots of the concept.

[Geeky1]

The same thing the people responsible for the Aztek are, most likely.

[mmonnin]

Ok geeky you like all the hot rods and the Benz's...what a combo.

[Geeky1]

;D Yeah, well... I have diverse tastes. Which explains why I'm becoming more and more convinced that a custom, 3" stainless steel dual exhaust with 2 magnaflow hi-flow cats and 2 flowmaster 70 series mufflers is perfectly suited to the 'Benz... :D

[mcwc]

Isn't 3" a bit much for a NA setup?

[Slick]

Between that concept car and a Honda Element I think I would rather have the concept.

[Geeky1]

Maybe a bit, but it's not excessive I don't think. The engine is like 338.5ci/5547cc, and has a redline of 6000rpms. So, it can push 1,175cfm, assuming the intake is totally unrestricted, which it wouldn't be, but...

1,175cfm/2 = 587.5cfm/cylinder bank, which, through a 3" pipe, should be ~9700 linear feet/minute velocity (that's using a square pipe, though. I can't find a calculator for a cylindrical cross-section). So, the maximum airflow velocity should be around 110MPH, which is still a great deal.

Besides, who said it would stay NA? :D

It turns out that the Tremec 5 speed manual that was used in the 190E 2.3-16 bolts right on to the M117 V8. Conveniently, it is also spec'd for >400HP & 400LB-FT of torque.

If I get the opportunity, this car will get the 4-valve/cylinder AMG heads, and a supercharger. Supercharged 5.6L M117s are good for right around 450 flywheel horsepower, I believe, with light pressure supercharging. The AMG heads are good for another 50 or more beyond that, and when this engine needs rebuilding, it WILL be bored/stroked to 6.0L, and I'll use the higher compression (9.5:1) euro-spec pistons. Between a supercharger and a 9.5:1 CR, I'll probably need an octane booser, but it shouldn't be too bad, as long as I keep boost reasonable (the engine is an aluminum block, aluminum head setup, so it's more resistant to detonation than an iron/iron or iron/aluminum setup would be)

Besides, with dual 3" exhaust tips, I get to point out that my exhaust pipes may be 3" in diameter, but at least they're 3" all the way through... :D

[Geeky1]

Between the concept car and the Honda Element, I'd rather just spend $3000 on a good, used Mercedes 300SDL Turbodiesel and pocket the rest. :D

[mcwc]

Hmm....I am currently reading a thread about backpressure on TB. Interesting read. Here's a snippet:
Supercharged engines are also very sensitive to backpressure - because all camshafts have overlap, added exhaust backpressure will always increase boost pressure. Whether or not this increases horsepower depends on how much boost is gained by how little backpressure. Radical cams have huge overlap most of the time, and that overlap allows plenty of air/fuel to flow out the exhaust ports, wasting fuel and horsepower. A little backpressure keeps the air/fuel in the CC, and it also allows a certain amount of pressure to develop in the chamber while both valves are open.
http://forums.turbobricks.com/viewtopic.php?t=10220

Octane booster, pfff, doesn't get the crap from your local auto parts store. Make your own using toulene!
http://forums.turbobricks.com/viewtopic.php?t=9459&highlight=toulene




Between that concept car and a Honda Element I think I would rather have the concept.
If I were to get a new car and these two are my only choice, I'll take the Element. Both are ugly ducklings, at least the Element is more practical than the Eclipse.

[Templar]

If they extended the roof to the rear of the body, and made it a hatchback, and leveled the sides so they're parallel with the road, it might look nice. The rear of the roof reminds me of the 350Z for some reason.

[Slick]

I absolutely hate hatchbacks, I dont care what company makes them.

[Wahoogie]

Slick, you suck. (Only joking, your opinion does!)

I have a 2001 Eclipse GT (The V6) The thing weighs 4,000 lbs. Think about that. Most cars that it is competing against weigh ~3000lbs... Anyway, the thing is a piece. My GT has a full leather interior and really stands out from the rest of Eclipses, but it's still made very poorly. Just yesterday the radiator hose started leaking, the clamp was a POS and I had to replace it. The thing can't handle worth crap. If you're looking for an eclipse, I can give you a good deal on one, I WANT to get rid of it.... and make room for my 944 Turbo... Also, good luck finding a GS-T '00-'04, they didn't make them.

[Geeky1]

4000LBS? ROFLMFAO!!!!

My Mercedes... which is 17' long, seats 5 people, has a v8, and is technically a luxury car, only weighs 4200. ;D

[Gargoyle]

http://www.motortrend.com/motor/autoshows/coverage/112_0401_detroit_mitsu_ee_z.jpg

This is the new Eclipse concept

Looks like a 350Z. Bleh.

There are a lot more interesting cars out there than Eclipses, and they've GOT to be more durable. Wouldn't take much.

Side note: funniest thing I've seen is when an old Eclipse crashed into our garbage dumpsters at our apartment complex. Apparently they were running from the cops. By the time I got out there they were already handcuffed :D

[Camman]

4000LBS? ROFLMFAO!!!!

My Mercedes... which is 17' long, seats 5 people, has a v8, and is technically a luxury car, only weighs 4200. ;D

Dunno why that got guy 4k lbs, carpoint is showing average curb weights as follows for a new Mitsubishi Eclipse

Coupe Trims

Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) RS: 2976 - GS:3031 - GT:3208 - GTS:3307
Curb Weight - Manual (lb.) RSL 2910 - GS:2965 - GT:3142 - GTS:3241

granted those are approx. weights, im sure they vary from car to car, but still a far cry from 4k lbs

[Geeky1]

Aww... :(

You always have to spoil my fun. ;)

[Clutch]

3" tips might be a little to much for a n/a car. Now if you start pusing around 400-500 hp then you should be fine. Got to have backpreasure though from the engine or you will be standing still.

[Geeky1]

Actually, lower backpressure is better, with one caveat- it reduces low-end torque.

However, engines run just fine with little-no backpressure.

[Clutch]

Just don't make the mistake of getting tips too big. It would just look bad, I mean look at all the cars out there with like 4" and 5" tips, wow thats ugly.

[Geeky1]

Oh, the tips wouldn't be 3". No, no, no... I'm thinking about a dual 3" system wtih flowmaster 70s. The inlet on the 70s in question is 3", and the outlet is dual 2.5" or 2.25".

So, I'd have 4 exhaust tips- 2 on either side of the car. Think of the back of an M5, and you get the general idea.

[Clutch]

Ok, I gotcha, I think everyone got a little mixed up there. We are on the same track now, haha

[Wahoogie]

Straight from my owners manual, boys. 4,000 lbs (with full tank etc). Trust me, This think is a tank! Handles like one too... argh.

[mcwc]

That sounds more like gross vehicle weight rating. Are you sure that is curb weight? Maybe you got the two terms mixed up.

Curb weight - The weight of a vehicle without passengers or payload, but including all fluids (oil, gas, coolant, etc.) and other equipment specified as standard.

Gross vehicle weight rating - (GVWR) Curb weight plus the payload. The most the loaded vehicle can weigh, generally determined by suspension system, tire size, and brake capacity. A vehicle's GVWR is usually displayed on a label on the door or door-latch pillar.

[Slick]

http://www.autotrader.com/research/model_info/modelinfo_technicalspecs.jtmpl?vehicle_number=U16487&x=45&make=410&model=Eclipse&year=1999&restype=used&ac_afflt=none&y=20

says the curb wieght is 2,970

[mcwc]

http://www.autotrader.com/research/model_info/modelinfo_technicalspecs.jtmpl?vehicle_number=U17865&x=35&make=410&model=Eclipse&year=2001&restype=used&y=14&ac_afflt=none

says the curb wieght is 3,053

fixed.



Wahoogie, scan the spec page from your manual so we can once and for all confirm your car's weight.

[qwikk]

back on topic, I gotta say it doesn't look THAT bad, still has quite the same body style as a 350Z, although the styling of the body is different. the back and front look the same... and it'd be great if they did another DSM AWD car. mmm...

[mcwc]

Looks like the Eclipse concept car is going to be a hybrid.
Mitsu introduced its Eclipse Concept-E, which features an exterior shape and all-wheel-drive configuration reminiscent of Eclipses past, with an E-Boost hybrid system to contribute power. Front wheels are propelled by a 3.8-liter 200-hp V6, rears by an electric motor that delivers uninterrupted drive, even during gearshifts, for a combined output of—get this—470 hp. There is multilink suspension at all four corners, with the rear setup lifted straight from the Lancer Evolution.
http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=02710817

There's no turbo but it is back with AWD and a combined electric and gas output of 470HP! But I still don't like concept's style. It's too curvy and futuristic for me.

[Wahoogie]

fixed.



Wahoogie, scan the spec page from your manual so we can once and for all confirm your car's weight.

Need to install scanner software and I gotta be at school in 30 min, I'll try to get it tonight. I believe curb weight is ~3500.

[Slick]

mcwc, I dont want the one with the ugly thingys on the side of the door, I posted the link to the one I want.

[mcwc]

Ah, alright. I thought you were trying to post up data on Wahoogie's Eclipse.