Barton 2500+

[MJO]

I want to puchase a Barton next month.

Price £48/€74,5/$88.

That is a good price isn't it?

I will purchase it in Sweden, it is £10 more expensive here in Denmark.
Odd, hardware is usually very expensive in Sweden? :scratch:

Next question.
Is the processor likely to reach 2.5 GHz? What's the odds?
And at what voltage, it will be new steppings I presume.
I plan on using 11x225 = 2475 Mhz, my mem can do at least 225.
And the multiplier will be locked, I guess.

I have hit a brick wall with my present Thoroughbred.
Getting to 2 GHz was easy, but getting much above 2 GHz is troublesome.
2.15 GHz at 1.85 Vcore isn't all that impressive.
It'd rather purchase this Barton now and hope it will get me through the year.
I will not be purchasing AMD64 until the platform is more mature.

[Templar]

Most Bartons will guarentee 2.2ghz, but beyond that, it's a matter of stepping. I don't know the best ones personally :( I wanna say AQZEA was a good batch. I got one for $90 and it did 2.2ghz no sweat @ 37*C and 1.6 vcore. I'm waiting till I order some PC3200 to push it any farther. And yes, I do believe the multis are locked.

What RAM are you going to put with it and at what timings?

[MJO]

I know that prices will drop later on.
But when is the big question.
I presume AMD will lower the price when intel "paper" launches Prescott.
I'll wait and see.
Hope I will get a good stepping, I need something for my "kickass" Corsair modules.

[Templar]

I know that prices will drop later on.
But when is the big question.
I presume AMD will lower the price when intel "paper" launches Prescott.
I'll wait and see.
Hope I will get a good stepping, I need something for my "kickass" Corsair modules.

I kinda played Edit Ninja on you :(

I'd say in about 2 months you'll definately see a drop.

[MJO]

What's an Edit Ninja? :ninja:
Never heard of it. :p

I have Corsair XMS3200 v1.1
It is doing 225 at 2.8V at present. Dunno if I can take it higher.
Timings are 2.0-2-2-11.
Not too bad for PC3200. :cool:
EDIT: Not too bad for a pair of unmatched Corsair PC3200. :cool:

Thanks for your input.

[Al_Capown]

I want to puchase a Barton next month.

Price £48/€74,5/$88.

That is a good price isn't it?

I will purchase it in Sweden, it is £10 more expensive here in Denmark.
Odd, hardware is usually very expensive in Sweden? :scratch:

Next question.
Is the processor likely to reach 2.5 GHz? What's the odds?
And at what voltage, it will be new steppings I presume.
I plan on using 11x225 = 2475 Mhz, my mem can do at least 225.
And the multiplier will be locked, I guess.

I have hit a brick wall with my present Thoroughbred.
Getting to 2 GHz was easy, but getting much above 2 GHz is troublesome.
2.15 GHz at 1.85 Vcore isn't all that impressive.
It'd rather purchase this Barton now and hope it will get me through the year.
I will not be purchasing AMD64 until the platform is more mature.
2.5 GHz isn't gonna happen on air. Odds are the highest overclock you'll get is about 2400 or so. But in those cases you have to have some excellent fans pushing a huge amount of cfm. I'm gonna guess and say your barton maxes out at 215 fsb. Temps at this speed might not be comfortable for you though, so I recommend just running at 200x11 @ stock vcore (gotta love 2500+'s).

On price drops I truly don't see them dropping too much in the near future. It depends on when amd plans on phasing out the 2000+, 2100+, and other thoroughbreds.

And lastly, a piece of advice: when you go into overclocking and you hear about all these people on different forums getting awesome overclocks on cpus expect that your cpu is gonna suck at overclocking. I've purchased too many cpu's in the past expecting too much out of them and getting extremely frustrated and this is the lesson I've learned. However if your 2500+ won't do 2200 @ default vcore sell it and get one that does, as that's the optimal setting in my opinion.

[MJO]

2.5 GHz isn't gonna happen on air. Odds are the highest overclock you'll get is about 2400 or so. But in those cases you have to have some excellent fans pushing a huge amount of cfm. I'm gonna guess and say your barton maxes out at 215 fsb. Temps at this speed might not be comfortable for you though, so I recommend just running at 200x11 @ stock vcore (gotta love 2500+'s).

On price drops I truly don't see them dropping too much in the near future. It depends on when amd plans on phasing out the 2000+, 2100+, and other thoroughbreds.

And lastly, a piece of advice: when you go into overclocking and you hear about all these people on different forums getting awesome overclocks on cpus expect that your cpu is gonna suck at overclocking. I've purchased too many cpu's in the past expecting too much out of them and getting extremely frustrated and this is the lesson I've learned. However if your 2500+ won't do 2200 @ default vcore sell it and get one that does, as that's the optimal setting in my opinion.

Ohh no only 200 Mhz FSB, my mem can do 225+.
Hmm where can I dig up an unlocked Barton around here?

My SLK-947U is doing a great job on my tbred, it is at 2.15 Ghz 1.85 Vcore.
If I lower my fan RPM from 5200 to 3200 RPM it gets pretty hot.
53*C when folding. :eek:
At 5200 RPM it reaches 47*C while folding. :cool:

I would assume the Barton would need a Vcore at around 1.7 to do 2.2-2.3.
The locked multiplier really sucks, 225 * 10 or 10,5 would be great.
225*11 might be pushing my luck.

[Al_Capown]

Keep in mind Abit has issues with the 10, and 10.5 multipliers so unless you decide to use bios d10 then you would have to run at either 9, 9.5, or 11.

From my experiences with the barton that I owned (which was in fact unlocked). It ran 2.2GHz @ default vcore, but after that you really had to crank up the vcore to get anywhere near 2.3. I remember for a month or so running my 2500 @ 2315 1.9vcore, but it still wasn't prime95 stable.

On finding unlocked multi's your best bet is to look for websites guaranteeing certain (unlocked) steppings or check online forums such as hardocp.com, anandtech, amdmb, or even ebay, but there the problem lies in shipping to Denmark.

[MJO]

Keep in mind Abit has issues with the 10, and 10.5 multipliers so unless you decide to use bios d10 then you would have to run at either 9, 9.5, or 11.

From my experiences with the barton that I owned (which was in fact unlocked). It ran 2.2GHz @ default vcore, but after that you really had to crank up the vcore to get anywhere near 2.3. I remember for a month or so running my 2500 @ 2315 1.9vcore, but it still wasn't prime95 stable.

On finding unlocked multi's your best bet is to look for websites guaranteeing certain (unlocked) steppings or check online forums such as hardocp.com, anandtech, amdmb, or even ebay, but there the problem lies in shipping to Denmark.

I am looking into several local hardware sites.
A lot of them have trade sections.
It is quite interesting that threads about Barton 2500+ get more than 30-40 replies. :rolleyes:

But I would indeed like a processor that can do 2.2 at a lower Vcore than my TBred.
Thanks for your advice.

[Omega65]

Next question.
Is the processor likely to reach 2.5 GHz? What's the odds?
And at what voltage, it will be new steppings I presume.
I plan on using 11x225 = 2475 Mhz, my mem can do at least 225.
And the multiplier will be locked, I guess.

I have hit a brick wall with my present Thoroughbred.
Getting to 2 GHz was easy, but getting much above 2 GHz is troublesome.
2.15 GHz at 1.85 Vcore isn't all that impressive.
It'd rather purchase this Barton now and hope it will get me through the year.
I will not be purchasing AMD64 until the platform is more mature.

I had 6 Bartons and they all hit the wall at 2.3-2.4ghz (watercooled). They did 2.2ghz default voltage easily enough but after that I really had to pump up the voltage

[Khaos]

The Barton I bought from NewEgg to use in my sister's computer maxed at ~2.35Ghz stable on air with a relatively low CFM 90MM fan and quiet 80MM case fans.

But you shouldn't go by other people's overclocks, it's hit or miss sometimes.

Oh and it was unlocked, and the NF7-S had no problem with 10 and 10.5 (Metal socket release lever version). Also purchased from NewEgg.

[MJO]

Maybe I don't need a Barton ;)
I upped my Vcore to 1.9 in bios (1.85-1.87 IRL)
I am testing at 2.25 GHz (10*225)
And I have kept my high FSB. :)
That's a 47% OC, that is pretty good for a DUT3C.

[Straight_Man]

I would say stick with what you have, until you can afford a motherboard and a Barton 3000+ and DDR400 RAM. Or a motherboard that supports the 64 bit series CPUs.

John.

[MJO]

What's worng with my motherboard? :scratch:
I have DDR 400 memory as well.
2x256 MB Corsair XMS 3200 running at 225 MHz FSB.

EDIT: A Danish online shop has unlocked Bartons.
They are a bit expensive though. :crazy:
Stepping: AQXEA 0323MPMW
Price: $129

[Omega65]

Maybe I don't need a Barton ;)
I upped my Vcore to 1.9 in bios (1.85-1.87 IRL)
I am testing at 2.25 GHz (10*225)
And I have kept my high FSB. :)
That's a 47% OC, that is pretty good for a DUT3C.

You have a 2800+/2900+ System. A Barton running at those speeds only adds 200 PR points (3000+/3100+)

I would keep this until I could make the Jump to a Socket 939 & 3400+/3700+ (~2.4ghz) 64bit system

[MJO]

You have a 2800+/2900+ System. A Barton running at those speeds only adds 200 PR points (3000+/3100+)

I would keep this until I could make the Jump to a Socket 939 & 3400+/3700+ (~2.4ghz) 64bit system

I agree, only thing bothering me is the high Vcore.
I have sufficient cooling, but it still seems high.

Found a 1700+ @ 2.8 GHz yesterday, that's what I call a kickass OC.

Unless AMD64 really matures later this year, I will wait til next year before upgrading.
There is too many changes coming along soon.

[TheLostSwede]

Voltage and cooling. That's all it takes. Say no more.

[MJO]

Keep in mind Abit has issues with the 10, and 10.5 multipliers so unless you decide to use bios d10 then you would have to run at either 9, 9.5, or 11.

From my experiences with the barton that I owned (which was in fact unlocked). It ran 2.2GHz @ default vcore, but after that you really had to crank up the vcore to get anywhere near 2.3. I remember for a month or so running my 2500 @ 2315 1.9vcore, but it still wasn't prime95 stable.

On finding unlocked multi's your best bet is to look for websites guaranteeing certain (unlocked) steppings or check online forums such as hardocp.com, anandtech, amdmb, or even ebay, but there the problem lies in shipping to Denmark.

I use Bios 18 and I have no multiplier issues.

225*10 Cpu interface enabled and tight timings.