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audsnends
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extras in my Programs Files

When I click my C drive and click on Programs List, I have all these "things" listed (see image below). I'm pretty sure they're important but I don't believe they belong in my Programs. I've no idea what they're for & whether to be concerned that they are located where they are, nor how I got them there and finally what I should do about them or simply leave them alone.

Appreciate any input.


Leonardo
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"Programs List" - do you mean Program Files?

Those entries seem to various components of "leadtools", PDF, and other graphics applications. Care to post a screenshot of your running processes?
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audsnends
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Yes Program Files. Umm running processes? Would be happy to post a screen shot, if I knew what that was and where to find it?
Leonardo
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1) ctrl+alt+del keys
2) click on "Processes" tab
3) expand the window to reveal all
4) alt+PrtScn keys to take a snapshot of the window
5) got to MS Paint, "Paint" in Accessories
6) select Edit, and "Paste" from drop-down menu
7) save the file as jpeg and post it here
audsnends
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audsnends
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Can you see that ok, I could enlarge it with paint, but it would be HUGE!
Leonardo
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I think you are OK. Nothing indicated in your Processes window shows undue usage of system resource. I don't know all the programs and applications you've installed on your computer, but it would appear to me that your entries in Program Files are benign, or even necessary for the programs you run. Actually, your processes list is not large.

I think you are in good shape.

Ok, now you know how to check processes - what's running on your computer at any given moment. If you don't understand any of those entries, just do an Internet search. If you do a Google search, don't pay much attention to the first one or two links, it's usually a crap site that just wants you to run their stupid scanner.

You now also know how to do a screenshot! You've learned a lot today.
audsnends
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Great, thanks for looking & your input!
Leonardo
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it would appear to me that your entries in Program Files are benign, or even necessary for the programs you run
You know, perhaps the reason you have all those files in Program Files, files that seem to be related, is that you accidentally installed a program into the Program Files directly instead of into a sub-folder within Program Files.
audsnends
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Yes, I too imagine that's what I did, likely more than one program, but which program for each of those entries belongs to would be like searching for a needle in a haystack I would guess.
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Should there be pics in posts 1+5 above? I see none?
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Kentigern
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Snap - ditto
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Leonardo
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Yes, there should be a screenshot. Hmm. My "Quick Reply" window is missing now as well.
audsnends
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Oops, that's my fault, I don't like stuff laying around & didn't realize if I removed the images from site where I'm able to obtain the image for posting here that they would disappear from my postings here as well.

Another lesson learned

Program Files image on my pc :



Running Processes on my pc :

Kentigern
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Hi audsnends

Have you recently installed either of the following programs Microsoft Picture It or Microsoft Greetings.

If so, do you still have the cd/dvd that the program came on?
audsnends
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Not recently no........years & years ago yes about 5 years ago...but too never knew where or who to ask about all these files in my program folders, so they've been there forever it seems.
audsnends
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and yes I still have the disc although I rarely use the program now
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If you can figure out which programs are installed there, you can run the uninstaller to remove the files (the uninstaller can find them all easily), then reinstall the program to a more approriate directory.
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Hi audsnends

First : Just to confirm
yes I still have the disc although I rarely use the program now
Do you still have the registration details, i.e. cd key, if it needed one.

If the answer is yes, we can proceed to remove the program. Which in turn should remove some if not all of those files from your program listing.

Second: We need - To open Add or Remove Programs, click Start, click Control Panel, and then double-click Add or Remove Programs.

A new screen will open - please wait while it populates the list of programs.

Third: Click on the Add Remove icon Name:  icon.jpg
Views: 49
Size:  2.3 KB

Fourth :If you then scroll down to the program Microsoft Picture It or Microsoft Greetings, then
highlight the program by clicking once on it.

Should look like this Click image for larger version

Name:	addremove.jpg
Views:	3
Size:	18.8 KB
ID:	22849 Click on image to enlarge
Fifth: Then click on the remove button. - An additional New small screen appears stating

--Are you sure you want to remove (program name) from your computer? --

Click the Yes button, then follow any further instructions.

Sixth: You may be asked to restart your computer to complete the removal of the program, please do so.

Seventh: Please let us have a new screenshot of your program listing after restarting your pc.
audsnends
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Removed that program, but nothing changed in my Program files, all those extras are still there, as well as the listing for that program...weird. I know these things bury themselves deep inside pc's correct?

Maybe I'll try removing ALL of the Microsoft Works Suite 2002 as I have the product key and all the program discs. If it does remove those extras files, I may not even reload the Works Suite. I'll have to review everything to see if I use any of the programs in the suite any more, seeing it's so old.
Leonardo
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You could just cut all of those 'extra' files and store them in a temp folder. Use your computer for a couple months, and if no problem doing all the things you need to do, then delete the temp folder.
audsnends
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hmm removing all those programs didn't work neither.

Well I'll just have to dive back into the haystack!
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In your graphic it shows within the list "Install.log" and a "readme.txt",
if you open these in Notepad do they indicate which program.

Also I see that you have EyeCandy5Textures is this a legit plugin or .....?
audsnends
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You could just cut all of those 'extra' files and store them in a temp folder. Use your computer for a couple months, and if no problem doing all the things you need to do, then delete the temp folder.
Well what difference does it make which "folder" they are in as to whether or not my pc runs properly. I mean if they are just floating around in my program list wouldn't being in temp folder be the same?
audsnends
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"EyeCandy5Textures is this a legit plugin or .....?"

not sure what you mean? It's a program I can use with umm can't remember, but I used it a few times...lol. (I think I used it with my Jasc PSP software.)
CB
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Well what difference does it make which "folder" they are in as to whether or not my pc runs properly. I mean if they are just floating around in my program list wouldn't being in temp folder be the same?
It matters because your system will not be able to find them.

Here's the thing:

The 'folder' that that the files are in, are not looked at the same way by the computer... To you it looks like the files are just in a different location on the drive, and that the computer should see them the same wherever they are, but to the computer the 'folder' that the file is in is the 'path' of the file, which is actually part of the file name.

For example if you move a file from the program files folder to ta temp folder, it just looks like a cahnge in location to you, but the computer sees this name difference:

C:\Program Files\Stoopid File.exe -> C:\Temp Folder\Stoopid File.exe

(technically the file names are all stil 8.3 format, but that's not important to the example) Once that name is changed, the OS can't see it as the same file anymore... It might be able to search for it, if it thinks it needs it, but if it does that, it will tell you that it is doing it.


So, once you move those, you might run into ''C:\Program Files\Stoopid File.exe' not found' errors, and that will let you know which operations were using that file.
audsnends
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Oh good to know that stuff. So I think what's best for me would be to do one at a time, because if I load them all at the same time into a temp file and if something didn't work I wouldn't know which of those "things" was being effected right? A slow process but best for me.
audsnends
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''C:\Program Files\Stoopid File.exe'

is that the real name or is that a file for someone like me?
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It was a hypothetical file name for the purposes of the example.
audsnends
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Do you think it might just be better if I reformat my pc? I've never done it in the six years I've had it. I use my pc it extensively and it's running low on ram as well as slower on loading and operating. But have always been too scared to try reformatting as I have so much stuff which I would have to back up. Speaking of backing up I'm not clear how to do that!

Anyways what's you're thoughts about reformatting to solve this extra stuff.

Thanks
Leonardo
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If you reinstall Windows, you should only loose what is in the C:\Windows folder. If you reformat, that will overwrite everything on the partition you choose to format. I hear people frequently use the terms "format" and "reinstall" Windows interchangeably. There is a HUGE difference. I want to make sure you understand.
audsnends
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Yes, I am one of those, who thought these steps were one and the same!

So I can just run my Windows XP CD and it will reload the program correcting any errors I may have caused over the years to the operating system? That would be wonderful if it was that simple
Byron172
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Do you have a program called "Picture It" from Microsoft Corp.
If so, do you have the disc to re-install? Other possible suspect - do you have a program caled dreamweaver?
If all else fails we can probably just make these hidden files so that they are out of sight, out of mind......
audsnends
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I removed the program Microsoft Picture It as someone else previously suggested. Still have Dreamweaver. Too in my original image posted I had cropped out 99.5% of existing programs on my PC.

My option now is to move each "extra", one by one into a special folder and over time to see how it effects each and every program on my pc. Which on reflection will be extremely tedious and likely take eons to detect any results.

At this point I feel either reformatting my pc or reinstalling Windows XP needs to be done to fully fix this along with other minor things. However the more I research and read on these two processes either option appears to be very complicated and precarious due my lack of technical knowledge and skills. Even if I have a professional do it what I've read things could be just as screwed up. And as my pc is the #1 tool for my business/my income doing anything that would jeopardize my pc operating is very very scary!

So I'll plug along as is I guess, as my pc is getting the job done!
Byron172
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I hear what you're saying, no worries.....
If it is just these files being visible in the programs folder, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Whatever program they are attached to knows where to find the files it needs and that is all that matters.
If you ever want to refresh your computer with a clean install get out a couple of sheets of paper and a pen and start by writing a lot of stuff down...i.e. the programs you have that you want to reinstall later, your devices that may require drivers, where your important files are located etc......it seems daunting at first but once youv'e done it once or twice it starts to get quite easy....it's all about planning.

First you need installation disks or installation files for the programs you want to reinstall. Next you need to make sure you know what devices you are going to need drivers for (XP has most drivers built into the operating system and almost anything else can be downloaded later) your printer, scanner and any other peripherals would have come with a disk of drivers especially for them, but again they can be found on the web.
Next, organise your files into easy to understand folders, anything related to pictures put into "My Pictures" folder, anything related to Music into "My Music" folder and so on and so on. Don't worry you can spread them all out again later after the reinstallation........
Lastly, dont forget we need to save some important files for your email and internet setup...a few basic steps now will make setting up your email & internet accounts so much easier later.
Also, do you have a DVD burner, an additional hard drive or external hard drive handy? You need to decide your most reliable and simplistic method of backing up your important data...if you need help with the whole process let us know.........
audsnends
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That's where I excel...in keeping things! Even my old Windows 98 pc & discs!

Speaking of which I currently use cd's for storage/back up, could I use the hard drive from my old Compaq Windows 98 pc for an additional internal hard drive in my current Dell Windows XP pc? Or are pre-installed hard drives only compatible with the pre-installed O/S?

I know it seems I'm getting ahead of myself but I need to be prepared & understand as much as possible.

1. After organizing and cleaning my current documents/programs etc. as you described what is the next step?

2. How does the hard drive get fully erased/deleted, totally cleaned out or whatever the term is? Or does it? I assume one just doesn't stick the O/S Windows XP discs in and run them?
Byron172
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A hard drive from another computer can be used in another computer usually without any problems as a secondary drive (or what is also reffered to as a "slave"). Your primary drive that you boot Windows XP from will be your primary drive (or "master").

A little bit of preparation needs to be done before you put the second hard drive in, however you don't neccesarily have to wipe the drive clean to use it as a secondary drive. If you don't need any of the information stored on the secondary drive I would recommend wiping it clean.
To wipe it clean you can use third party software or you can do a basic "format" of the drive. The easiest option is to format the drive, it basically just means that your hard drive will have a small amount of space that is not accessible (and we're only talking a few megabytes)......Another reason to format the drive is that Windows98 ran on a filing system calles FAT32. Since then Microsoft has developed a different type of filing system called NTFS. NTFS is superior to FAT32, it is also not recommended to use FAT32 with Windows XP. Therefore, in the process of formatting the secondary hard drive we can change the filing system to NTFS.....

If you are keen to give it a try, you need to open up your box and ground yourself (just touch the metal part of the box for a couple of seconds to release any static electricity from your body). Now look at the ribbon that goes into the back of your current drive, that ribbon should have another section of ribbon that has an empty hard drive connection on the end of it. If so this is where your secondary hard drive can be attached.
However before you go and attach your second hard drive, we need to ensure that the "jumper settings" are in the right position. The jumper settings are controlled by a tiny plastic plug on the back of the hard drive (right next to where the ribbon slots in). Different drives require this tiny plug to be in certain positions depending on whether the drive is being used as a "master" or a "slave". This tiny piece of plastic is vital, as it basically tells the computer on start up exactly what to do with the different hard drives. Overlooking this step or getting it wrong will cause headaches, nothing drastic it just causes a lot of mucking around.....

If you are keen to do this, look on the top of the second hard drive. It should have information about the jumper settings....if you like, post a picture of what it looks like and I will try to explain where the jumper needs to go. Aso, if you could ascertain what type of drive your current drive is (i.e manufacturers name and the code) that will be handy. We also need to make sure the jumper settings for this drive is correct in a "master"/"slave" configuration.

I will be busy with work over the next few days but I should be able to help within a day of your reply. I look forward to hearing from you.....
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