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davidacord

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1 May 2008, 6:06am

I had two xp computers networked with a crossover cable. I got a Vista machine and switched it for the older xp machine...I plugged in the crossover and turned it on, it worked instantly COOL!

But then...I got dsl and so I bought a regular CAT5 cable and plugged both rigs into the new hub/modem and they can no longer see each other. My IP addresses are gone due to the dsl so how do I fix it?

I should be able to do this on my own but I forget...

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Your Amish Daddy

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1 May 2008, 8:35am

Ok, first off if you're using a router, the router automatically assigns ip's to DHCP clients. If you set your router up on your modem properly (Even I don't know how with DSL) it will basically do all the rest itself...UNLESS you use static IP's on your pc's. You'll have to assign them yourself within the range of the router. Most routers use 192.168.*.* to assign ip's. I prefer that lovely class A 10.10.*.* for my network. What router are you using?

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airbornflght

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4 May 2008, 5:59am

Exactly what are they plugged into and how is your wiring?

It sounds like you are using one of the combo modem/router units I've seen a little bit of. They aren't great but you should still be able to network.

Did you make sure to you patch (straight through) cables in going from the modem/router to both computers? Crossover cables are only for connecting computer to computer, etc.

The only other way I could think of how you might have it set up is modem to computer and computer to computer. That would require two nics on one of computers and I doubt you do.

You need to make sure that each network adapter is set to obtain it's ip address automatically from the router, otherwise there is a good chance they won't be in the same subnet and won't be able to see each other.

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davidacord

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4 May 2008, 6:32am

I am using a 2wire hub/modem from att. It is connected to both computers with regular category 5 network cables (not crossover) it has wireless capability but my rigs don't have that.

When I first hooked them up they saw each other (but the vista was called unknown) after I set up the internet with an online wizard on the xp machine, I lost my LAN. The vista rig goes online (I'm on it right now) The vista machine says "access local and internet".

They do have two different workgroup names so that probably has a great deal to do with my problem.

Both rigs are set to obtain IP address automatically. I'm new to vista and it has Internet protocol 5 and Internet protocol 6. I dont know the difference.

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Your Amish Daddy

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4 May 2008, 7:05am

Workgroups need to be the same, like in 2000 for XP to not have a fit. I'm pretty sure the like has to apply for the Vista box, because Vista's worse than a snakebite to the crotch. Push comes to shove, do it the hard way and navigate to one of the boxes from the other. Just type \\***.***.***.*** for it. That's what I had to do to network this craptop to my wifi...After getting a driver...And screaming at it. But it barely works at 5.5mbit, and nothing I do helps.

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airbornflght

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4 May 2008, 6:08pm

Yeh, I'm not sure why you had to run a internet connection set up wizard. It should have done everything on its own.

If you get them on the same subnet and workgroup there is no reason they shouldn't see each other.

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davidacord

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4 May 2008, 9:31pm

When I got it started the tech from att told me to open Internet Explorer and the browser automatically went to thier site and walked me through a setup. Afterb that I could use Firefox again.

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davidacord

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4 May 2008, 11:13pm

I changed the workgroup names and now the xp machine sees the vista but cant access it. The vista machine can only see itself. I tuned on file and printer sharing and shared the drive.

I left the ip as auto because when I tried to set the ip on the xp machine to 192.168.0.1 it lost connectivity to the lan and the internet.

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GrayFox

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5 May 2008, 2:53am

Quoting davidacord

I had two xp computers networked with a crossover cable. I got a Vista machine and switched it for the older xp machine...I plugged in the crossover and turned it on, it worked instantly COOL!

But then...I got dsl and so I bought a regular CAT5 cable and plugged both rigs into the new hub/modem and they can no longer see each other. My IP addresses are gone due to the dsl so how do I fix it?

I should be able to do this on my own but I forget...

Access your modems web interface and make sure the modems in router mode. Default on most is bridged mode in bridged mode you can't do what you want to do with just a hub.

edit: 2 Wires modems are full blown routers out of the box ignore what I posted.

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Straight_Man

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5 May 2008, 6:09am

If the 2wire modems are full blown routers, then the boxes should be able to see each other, YES. Vista has a firewall, make sure it is set up with an exception for a local box. Also make sure that if you have like internet security software with firewall security on the boxes that that firewall is set up to treat a local box as safe for the firewall.

We need to know more.

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davidacord

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5 May 2008, 6:57am

I called AT&T Tech Support and 2 guys went through everything they knew and said that it "should" work with auto IP addresses. When I tried to set them manually I lost my internet...but was still sending and receiving packets in u torrent.

Afterwards I found an interesting article on this at http://help.wugnet.com/vista/Vista-XP-ftopict54755.html

I downloaded the plug in and the patch both from Microsoft. I also went and added an "everyone" to my vista permissions.

I can see the xp rig in vista's network map (network and sharing-view full map) but not in network places.
I can see the vista rig in xp's "view workgroup computers" but not in its network places.

My workgroup name is the same on both. I made sure the network name on vista matched as well.

I seem to be going beyond the norm for this particular problem...what I've already done should have fixed it by now. So I guess we are running into uncharted waters.

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davidacord

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6 May 2008, 7:08am

Now in my network and sharing center on the vista machine the internet is grayed out with an x but I'm typing this on it now. Its lying!

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GrayFox

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6 May 2008, 10:30pm

You should just be able to access the share by clicking Windows Key + R then typing \\10.0.0.2\share (Change 10.0.0.2 to what ever the server's ip is and share to the name of your share) Im assuming you have the necessary permissions set already and have allowed windows file sharing in your firewall on the vista machine.

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davidacord

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6 May 2008, 11:55pm

My network is set to auto IP thanks to att. When I try to use approved manual IPs my browser won't connect.

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GrayFox

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7 May 2008, 12:03am

Quoting davidacord

My network is set to auto IP thanks to att. When I try to use approved manual IPs my browser won't connect.

You dont use your browser you use windows explorer.

Use the hostname rather then the ip address or set a static dhcp lease on the router.

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davidacord

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7 May 2008, 12:15am

Browser as in IE or Firefox- they say no connection to server, page not found but packets are still being sent and received.

I tried that bit of advice and it worked...but I would rather just be able to click

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davidacord edited : 7 May 2008 at 12:45am .

GrayFox

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7 May 2008, 1:11am

The workgroup browser in windows is unreliable don't waste your time with it.

If you want to "Just click" map a network drive, Right click on my computer and select Map Network Drive, Set the desired letter and enter the path to the share.

It will then show up just like another drive in the machine.

The multicast dns that windows uses to find other machines is unreliable & unpredictable at best.

If you want to access your router/modem/firewall's configuration page open up your web browser and type in the ip address of your default gateway (To find this out start>run>cmd>ipconfig).

edit: Sorry I wasn't more help sooner I had a hard time trying to figure out what your problem was and how your network was setup.

If you want to just have things work switch to macs there multicast dns (Bonjour) is great and has worked flawlessly for me. (As long as your on the same vlan/network as your target machine)

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