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mmonnin

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10 Aug 2006, 3:39pm

So I have wanted to get one for for while now and well....I can afford one at this point I think.

So I want a Crotch rocket. I figured I might as well get one now as down the road I will get a Harley when I wont one of those 'death's on 2 wheels.' hehe

Thing is....I have no idea what kind...I dont know much at all about bikes really. I looked around the Suzuki website earlier and well they all kinda looked the same.

So who has a bike and what Brand/Model? Any thoughts on it? Suggestions?

What I am looking for: I dont need the fastest Hayabusa or anything like that. But also not the slowest bike with skinny ass tires. Something in the middle of the line. I know pretty much all of the bikes will have better acceleration and gas milage than my car but something that someone new to a motorcycle can enjoy and can control but still have to grip tightly to hold on when wanted.

Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions on a good motorcycle for me?

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madmat

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10 Aug 2006, 4:17pm

If you're new to cycling I'd suggest getting something around 500CC. It won't be so squirrelly that it kills you but will still have enough guts to get out of it's own way.

As to brands, I'm a staid Kawasaki guy but the new Yamaha's have been looking pretty nice lately. Something like this would be a bike you could enjoy and enjoy learning on.

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muddocktor

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10 Aug 2006, 4:33pm

You need to run down here to south La and buy a bike from csimon's wife, Marc. Her family owns the First Turn shop in Lafayette.

As for a bike, one like Chris was looking at a few weeks ago would be a great bike to start with. It's in a thread here somewhere. I think it was a Ninja 600. Like Matt said, it will definitely move fast enough to keep from getting run over but shouldn't be able to hit the warp drive speeds of a Hayabusa. Actually, a 500-600 class crotch rocket is way more than enough to get you in a big bind if you don't pay attention. It will out accelerate and have a higher top speed than about 98% of the cars on the highway, so you need to keep that in mind when you start out. It is sooo easy to get going faster than you realize and you also have to keep in mind 1 axium; all car/truck drivers don't give a **** about motorcyles and their right of way, so always drive defensively and plan an escape route for any situation.

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10 Aug 2006, 4:38pm

I have a 2005 Kawasaki Ninja 250. It isn't the fastest thing, but it is the right speed for me since it is my first bike. Main thing to look at is how heavy or light you want it to be. My bike weighs like nothing, but you can feel it when you pass like a big truck and the wind hits you.

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madmat

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10 Aug 2006, 4:54pm

Quoting muddocktor

You need to run down here to south La and buy a bike from csimon's wife, Marc. Her family owns the First Turn shop in Lafayette.

csimon's wife's name is Marc?

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mmonnin

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10 Aug 2006, 4:57pm

Hehe and how would I get the bike back to VA? hehe My only other vehicle is a '99 Alero with no hitch.

Thanks for the suggestions. Keep them coming.

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mmonnin

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10 Aug 2006, 5:03pm

Quoting Clutch

I have a 2005 Kawasaki Ninja 250. It isn't the fastest thing, but it is the right speed for me since it is my first bike. Main thing to look at is how heavy or light you want it to be. My bike weighs like nothing, but you can feel it when you pass like a big truck and the wind hits you.

Jebus...lookin at one with a 14k redline....nuts. Im used to never hitting 6k.

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airbornflght

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10 Aug 2006, 5:18pm

Quoting mmonnin

Jebus...lookin at one with a 14k redline....nuts. Im used to never hitting 6k.

ever been in a car with a rotary engine, my friends dad had one, and he tached it out at 11k, and was still going. also know a guy with a go-kart engine that was built up for racing, supposedly has a 25k rpm red line. Id like to have a bike, but my dad would rather have me alive.

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Buddy J

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10 Aug 2006, 6:28pm

Ninja 250R

Buell Blast

I've been looking into getting a bike lately too. Most recomendations for a beginners bike say that if you want a crotch rocket, get a Ninja 250R ($3k new) or a Buell Blast ($4.5k new). The Ninja is light, inexpensive, simple and won't get you into too much trouble as you learn how to ride. The Buell is bulletproof, supposedly, and is designed to be reliable so you can twist and go.

The most common piece of advice I've been given is Don't buy your first bike thinking it'll be your last bike. New owners are very likely to lay the bike over during their first 6 months of ownership. It's a good idea to get something that is easy to handle and then move up later on once you've gotten a better feel for what you like and can responsibly drive. The benefit of the two bikes I listed is that they have a decent resale value once you do decide to sell and move up.

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madmat

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10 Aug 2006, 7:13pm

Quoting Buddy Jesus

Ninja 250R

Buell Blast

I've been looking into getting a bike lately too. Most recomendations for a beginners bike say that if you want a crotch rocket, get a Ninja 250R ($3k new) or a Buell Blast ($4.5k new). The Ninja is light, inexpensive, simple and won't get you into too much trouble as you learn how to ride. The Buell is bulletproof, supposedly, and is designed to be reliable so you can twist and go.

The most common piece of advice I've been given is Don't buy your first bike thinking it'll be your last bike. New owners are very likely to lay the bike over during their first 6 months of ownership. It's a good idea to get something that is easy to handle and then move up later on once you've gotten a better feel for what you like and can responsibly drive. The benefit of the two bikes I listed is that they have a decent resale value once you do decide to sell and move up.

BTW, This is my dream bike.

While it's true that you don't want to buy your first bike thinking it'll be your last don't buy one that's disposable either. That Buell is a single lunger and while it will be easy to learn on, once you've gotten the hang of it you'll be looking for something with "snap" and for that you need a 4 banger in the 600CC range. Bigger bikes can be pretty snappy with a dual piston engine but they're relying on torque not mid-high end HP to do the work.

My point is that with something like the Buell or the little Ninja you'd most likely get bored within 2 years and be looking for "bigger, faster, better" whereas if you go for a 500-600CC four banger you'll get more life out of it before you decide to upgrade. Say 5-6 years.

I've been riding since I was a tot, I've seen more than a few guys going through that.

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mmonnin

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10 Aug 2006, 7:51pm

I know it wont be my last bike for sure. At least now I think I would like to have one for a long while. Maybe a Harley down the road.

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Leonardo

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10 Aug 2006, 11:36pm

Maybe a Harley down the road.

When you're old and feeble. They're great for boulevards and highways (low speed, straight, level), but a sport bike is for mountains, "twisties", and challenging country roads. If you plan on a lot speed limited driving in normal traffic, I'd recommend a sport tourer or cruiser. (opinion based on my experience)

Don't rule out Buell. They also make two cylinder V-twin sport bikes that have plenty of torque, are light weight, and are very classy bikes. The Japanese four-cylinder sport bikes have tons of horsepower and very high end top speeds, but where are you going to use that without risking your license? Sport bikes are also not well suited for long distances. My advice is get your motorcycle license, read the motorcycle press, and visit a number of bike shops and test ride a number of different types of motorcycles. Maybe a cruiser would suit you better than a sport bike. Maybe you've got mountain roads in your area just begging for something light and agile. You need to have a good idea of what type of riding you will do.

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10 Aug 2006, 11:58pm

How do you go about getting a motor cycle endorsement?

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madmat

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11 Aug 2006, 12:02am

Quoting Leonardo

When you're old and feeble. They're great for boulevards and highways (low speed, straight, level), but a sport bike is for mountains, "twisties", and challenging country roads. If you plan on a lot speed limited driving in normal traffic, I'd recommend a sport tourer or cruiser. (opinion based on my experience)

Don't rule out Buell. They also make two cylinder V-twin sport bikes that have plenty of torque, are light weight, and are very classy bikes. The Japanese four-cylinder sport bikes have tons of horsepower and very high end top speeds, but where are you going to use that without risking your license? Sport bikes are also not well suited for long distances. My advice is get your motorcycle license, read the motorcycle press, and visit a number of bike shops and test ride a number of different types of motorcycles. Maybe a cruiser would suit you better than a sport bike. Maybe you've got mountain roads in your area just begging for something light and agile. You need to have a good idea of what type of riding you will do.

For a person with no prior cycling knowledge, a big twin Buell would be a poor choice since it's a learning cycle. I was just discounting the Buell recommended by Buddy J because it's a thumper and they're not renown for fast acceleration nor tolerance for high RPM's.

For a beginer bike a medium sized twin or quad is the best bet since they give more satisfaction as the rider becomes more assured in their riding abilities. This is also dependent upon the size of the rider. A relatively small rider can get away with a smaller displacement bike but someone over 200lbs would benefit from 400-650CC.

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csimon

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11 Aug 2006, 2:01am

Hey Marc ...the thread mudd is referring to is http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47926. That is a kawasaki ninja 650 for sale and it was traded on a suzuki gsxr600. What I like about this ninja is that it's not considered a racer so the insurance won't eat you alive. Don't forget that when you look at a bike consider the difference in insurance between a sport bike and a racer. You can somewhat determine that a full "double seat" isn't a racer.

I saw that buell for the first time at the bike show last night and it really caught my eye. That is one sweet bike!

The Katanas are nice as well and aren't being made anymore. It's not a racer either. Suzuki has something new coming out in September to replace it.

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airbornflght

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11 Aug 2006, 3:53am

Quoting csimon

What I like about this ninja is that it's not considered a racer so the insurance won't eat you alive.

So would they consider a hayabusa a racing bike, cause im sure that would be a great first bike to learn on(and send you to the grave)

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muddocktor

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11 Aug 2006, 3:56am

I still wouldn't rule out the Buell thumper either, Marc. If you are mainly going to be riding in town, the light weight and torque of a thumper is much desired, since you have a bunch of low end torque with a big single. And it should be very narrow, so you shouldn't have any ground clearance problems either so you can play jr. road racer in town too.

I've ridden the big Buell (Lightning) and while it's a nice and easy bike to ride, it would definitely temp a new rider into getting into situations way over his head in ability to handle them. It is very torquey and fast and is the only Harley I've ever ridden that just loves to wheelie. It would make a great second bike to own, but I wouldn't recommend starting with one. But the 500cc thumper would make a great first bike IMO.

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Leonardo

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11 Aug 2006, 4:53am

Oh yeah -- insurance. For a young, single man. Insurance on a sport bike is EXPENSIVE!! (for a reason)

I've ridden the big Buell (Lightning) and while it's a nice and easy bike to ride, it would definitely temp a new rider into getting into situations way over his head in ability to handle them.

Yes good point, but it would apply equally to any Japanese sport bike over 500cc. In my mind there's no question - were I to buy a sport bike, it would be a large displacement Buell or a Ducati. The Japanese sport bikes are very powerful, good handling, and quality built, but just have no soul. Harley was smart in buying the Buell company from Erik Buell. H-D instantly obtained sport bike division with little to no research and development needed. They have also been smart by keeping the line separate from the cruisers.

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airbornflght

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11 Aug 2006, 5:14am

Quoting Leonardo

Oh yeah -- insurance. For a young, single man. Insurance on a sport bike is EXPENSIVE!! (for a reason) Yes good point, but it would apply equally to any Japanese sport bike over 500cc. In my mind there's no question - were I to buy a sport bike, it would be a large displacement Buell or a Ducati. The Japanese sport bikes are very powerful, good handling, and quality built, but just have no soul. Harley was smart in buying the Buell company from Erik Buell. H-D instantly obtained sport bike division with little to no research and development needed. They have also been smart by keeping the line separate from the cruisers.

harley has the v-rod, which is a sport cruiser really, but its a hella nice looking bike, a guy pulled up next to me on one, it was a powder blue color, but it was all chromed out, and the chrome against that powder blue looked smooth.

, though, I still am partial to the japanese bikes, not sure what you mean about soul, but I have riden a few 'crotch rockets' and they seem to have plenty of soul to me

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Leonardo

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11 Aug 2006, 5:29am

The V-Rod definitely has 'soul', no doubt about it! (soul = subjective view) I think your term "power cruiser" is very good. That bike is designed for accelleration and looks, not curvy roads or mountains. The bike's geometry is just wrong for that. And that's just fine, as not everyone wants to go carve canyons. I did, but that was my joy. Others enjoy cruising leisurely all day long or short drives in the city. I lived in Monterey, California for year. I rode the Pacific Coast highway nearly every weekend. Those are some of my best memories - sprinting up the mountains and leaning over in the sharp curves. Ahhhhh! (Now I snow ski instead. It's a bit safer.)

BTW, the V-Rod is basically a take-off of the Yamaha V-Max of the 1970's.

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airbornflght

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11 Aug 2006, 5:45am

skiing, yeh, I am going skiing the day after christmas I leave with my youth group..I had a dream about me crashing right into a tree...scared the crap out of me, I woke up in a really cold sweat, but I and my bed was drenched.

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csimon

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11 Aug 2006, 1:51pm

Quoting airbornflght

So would they consider a hayabusa a racing bike, cause im sure that would be a great first bike to learn on(and send you to the grave)

No ...the hayabusa would be considered "THE" racing bike! LOL

Next to the zx-14 it's the fastest production racing bike on the road/track @ 175 hp. The zx-14 is a newer bike and faster at 191hp however the hyabusa style probably still outsells the zx-14. They both draw much attention at shows.

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GHoosdum

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11 Aug 2006, 3:25pm

Quoting airbornflght

...my bed was drenched...

There's lots of places you can go for help with that.

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airbornflght

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11 Aug 2006, 5:05pm

Quoting GHoosdum

There's lots of places you can go for help with that.

it was drenched from sweat, not piss. have you ever been so sweaty that water is running down you, yeh, that is how it was.

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csimon

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11 Aug 2006, 5:08pm

Quoting airbornflght

it was drenched from sweat, not piss. have you ever been so sweaty that water is running down you, yeh, that is how it was.

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Thrax

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11 Aug 2006, 11:57pm

Quoting airbornflght

it was drenched from sweat, not piss. have you ever been so sweaty that water is running down you, yeh, that is how it was.

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mmonnin

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12 Aug 2006, 12:09am

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it was drenched from sweat, not piss. have you ever been so sweaty that water is running down you, yeh, that is how it was.

All the time in HS. After a CC practice or about any wrestling meet/practice. Working at FedEx as well. Heck I can lay out in the sun and have sweat running off me.

Anyways....I guess I will start by getting a VA drivers's license. Then take a Motorcycle course. That way I dont have to take a driver's test, which would require a bike, to get a motorcycle license.

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Leonardo

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12 Aug 2006, 3:42am

Then take a Motorcycle course.

Good man! That could save your life. Hopefully it'll be one from the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. I took their Experienced Rider Course after already having 10 years and 50,000 miles of experience. The skills I learned probably saved my life.

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mmonnin

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12 Aug 2006, 5:25am

I am not sure if it is that specific class but this is the one they mention online:

http://www.dmvnow.com/webdoc/citizen...s/m_course.asp

I kinda have to take that class as I dont have anything to take the driving test with yet.

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madmat

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12 Aug 2006, 2:22pm

You can get a learners permit when you get your bike and usually it allows you to ride on surface streets for a period of one year (probably during daylight hours) then get your motorcycle stamp.

A class is a good idea though, it'll help to familiarize you with the basics of riding. Remember, after you get your bike and you wipe out (it's a foregone conclusion, sorry. Everyone wipes out.) you have to get your bike back together (mirrors and clutch/brake levers are usually hurt in wrecks unless you hit something) and get back on it ASAP. You can't let a simple case of road rash or a couple broken bones prevent you from riding again.

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csimon

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12 Aug 2006, 2:54pm

Quoting madmat

You can't let a simple case of road rash or a couple broken bones prevent you from riding again.

I'm allergic to pain so I can't let it happen period.

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madmat

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12 Aug 2006, 3:13pm

Sadly, when you choose to go on two wheels it is a fact of life that you and your bike will part company at some point on the road. There are things you can do to lessen the impact of that when it does happen. Proper riding apparel such as leathers, helmet, boots and gloves will help ward off most injuries.

I see so many people riding bikes in shorts, sneakers, t-shirts and the like that it just makes me wonder what the heck they're thinking.

Remember that when you're riding in traffic that you don't exist. At least as far as how you approach other vehicles you have to think this way. A bike is about the 6th the weight of a car and less than a quarter it's size so you have to remember that when you're out on the roads you're as liable to not be seen by someone in a car as you are to be seen. This is where a majority of motorcycle related injuries stem from. The rest are either the rider gets cocky or something breaks with a few stemming from road hazzards.

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mmonnin

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Quoting Leonardo

Good man! That could save your life. Hopefully it'll be one from the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. I took their Experienced Rider Course after already having 10 years and 50,000 miles of experience. The skills I learned probably saved my life.

Holy thread resurection batman!!

So a friend and I are taking a motorcycle course in a few weeks down in Fredericksburg, VA from Apex and I am starting to look at some bikes again.

Any new suggestions. I've been looking at a CBR 600 or maybe a Ninja to start off with for my 1st motorcycle.

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Nomad

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20 May 2008, 10:39pm

Why not a Ducati?

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Thrax

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20 May 2008, 10:47pm

Or a Ford Windstar?

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Nomad

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21 May 2008, 1:03am

gtfo this is my troll

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mmonnin

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21 May 2008, 1:32am

Wow thanks...

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csimon

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21 May 2008, 3:04am

Marc what's your budget on this bike?
Keep in mind that a racer class bike will be more expensive to insure than a sport. A sport cruiser more than a cruiser and so forth. It may be worth your while to investigate insurance rates on the different classes of bikes. Not to plug but I find Progressive & Geico among the best ...but you really need to shop. If you'd like the number of my agent in Texas I'd be more than happy to share. He shops rates month by month and can get the best rate in any given month of the year.

Also, the Ninja 650 I talked about in the past had the look of a crotch rocket but was considered a sport bike, therefore lower cost to insure. The Suzuki GSX650F is a great selling bike and is comparable to that bike. You can save quite a bit this way. These bikes are also easier on the mpg.
The 250 cc bike typically get around 80mpg but I wouldn't take one on a highway.
The cruiser that I have is probably one of the better bikes you could have as a "first bike". It's a Boulevard C50C and I get 60mpg highway and about 55 city. I have all of the power I need to keep up with the larger cruisers and I pay a total of $279 annually for full coverage on both Tracie and I.

These bikes are roughly $7000 and under that I am talking about for 2008's. Right now they are selling the 2006 models at cost price and the 2007's just above. All 2008s are MSRP only. Only the manufacturer discounts these and gives incentives and rebates and such.
Another reason why I bought the 2006 bike myself.
If you're interested go to http://www.first-turn.com/ and search "current inventory" and see what you like. If you would have any questions let me know and I can get an answer one way or another.

Good luck Marc and be safe.

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Thrax

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21 May 2008, 3:22am

Also, I've read that the Ninja 250 is a good starter bike, and one I really want to ride/try/own.

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21 May 2008, 3:25am

Get something you like. If you don't anticipate keeping it long, buy a used one. Shop around to know what the bike you're looking at/for typically sells for. Consider any accessories the bike may have as accessories can be expensive.

I prefer a cruiser over a sport bike, but that's me.

Figure out what you want and do your homework.

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I second the 250 Ninja.

The new ones look *really* nice and are very affordable. The new 08 body style makes it look just like the more expensive models.

My gf has a 250 ninja, and while it is definitely a bike I would not want to have to drive on the highway all the time, it is an excellent first bike. It is very light, easy to maneuver, and has quite a bit of pick-up for the smaller sized engine.

I hope to be getting one myself within the next 6 months or so. The new 08 models are so hawt.

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21 May 2008, 3:35am

Quoting Thrax

Also, I've read that the Ninja 250 is a good starter bike, and one I really want to ride/try/own.

Funny ...Tracie just set me straight on the Ninja 250R. That is one very sought after bike and performs way better than I gave credit. She says the biggest downside is it's light weight. She swears they get 80mpg.

The dealership has several in crates. They cannot be assembled fast enough. If you find one on a floor somewhere and it hasn't been sold I would be suspicious. They are not serviced until they are sold which means the only way to test one is to find one already owned or "pre-owned".

Tracie has said on more than one occasion that if I were to let her buy her own bike this is the one she would want. And she basically has her choice of the litter when it comes to kawasaki and/or suzuki.

edit/ I just read that it does surprisingly well on the highway even when windy. Heck I wanna try one now.

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21 May 2008, 3:54am

isnt that sexi

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mmonnin

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21 May 2008, 4:38am

Whatever I get, it will be used. No way I am going to get a new bike to start riding. I'm not going to take the chance of laying down a brand new bike. That way I won't have to get full coverage. I've seen some people say they get down to the $100 range on just liability.

I saw this 1998 Honda CBR F3 600cc for $2500 real close to me on craigslist. I didn't see to many ninjas in the area but a nija 250 is something I am considering as a beginners bike. But I'm not a fan of the green, anything but that green (I do see they make it in several colors, thank god

). Iono green just doesnt do it for me.

As of right now I drive about 13 miles just on interstate each day to/from work and I am going to moving another 5-10 miles (interstate miles) away later this summer. Some spots on I-66 arent the best either. Several of you mentioned not wanting to ride a 250cc bike on interstate so how about a 500cc ninja?

I'm not sure how much street time I will get during the class but I always seem them at the Manassas GMU campus going around cones and stuff. Its like 15 hours in 3 days so hopefully they go over some good stuff.

Bill, I definitely like the roar of a good Harley but I'll save that for my midlife crisis.

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21 May 2008, 5:08am

Quoting mmonnin

Bill, I definitely like the roar of a good Harley but I'll save that for my midlife crisis.

Mid-life I am. Crisis, I don't think so. My first street bike was a 76 or 77 Kawasaki KZ650. Fun bike to ride and I don't think I ever rode it without hitting 10 grand.

It's no Harley, but I like my V-Star 1100. It doesn't even have a tachometer...lol.

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mmonnin

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21 May 2008, 5:26pm

I just figured that I better get it now when I'm still in my 20s and single before someone attaches chain on me.

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jared

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21 May 2008, 5:42pm

Or just find a girl who likes to ride

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csimon

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23 May 2008, 4:56pm

Pft. Tracie informed me that all of the 250R inventory is totally depleted. In fact they will only get 3 more this year and 1 is already sold. Others are waiting on the other 2 and I wouldn't be surprised if they have deposits already.

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28 May 2008, 7:51pm

used ninja 250 that way if you dump it you wont have a lot of money tied up in it and its not enough power to really hurt yourself. They go for $1500 frequently on craigslist.

Also take the rider safety course too.

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29 May 2008, 2:29pm

Quoting Bud

used ninja 250 that way if you dump it you wont have a lot of money tied up in it and its not enough power to really hurt yourself. They go for $1500 frequently on craigslist.

Also take the rider safety course too.

Good advice ...more bikes coming from canada.

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