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Buddy J

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3 Jul 2008, 3:40pm

Triple boot your MacBook Pro

The_Technocrat has a sweet step-by-step guide to triple booting Vista 64, Ubuntu, and OS X Leopard on a MacBook Pro. Having three operating systems on one machine has never been so easy!

Ever felt the need to run three operating systems separately on your MacBook Pro? I scoured the internet in search of a good, straightforward guide to accomplishing the task. Unhappy with what I found, I decided to write up a straightforward guide for anyone else daring enough to do the same.

His guide is available here.

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jared

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3 Jul 2008, 8:12pm

Excellent article Dan!

I think I'm going to update my HD soon, and then I will definitely give this a try.

Since I hate Vista, and still am quite fond of XP, will things change much if I just sub XP for Vista?

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Craigular.B

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8 Jul 2008, 3:28pm

No swap partition is created in this guide? Or is it created automatically?

-Craig

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Snarkasm

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8 Jul 2008, 3:35pm

Guided partitioning will create a swap for you in the Ubuntu installer.

Jared, I think Vista has some extra stuff that helps the multiple-boot process, so it might change something, but overall, I think this process will help bypass it. You should be fine unless XP's boot sector is a different size.

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Craigular.B

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8 Jul 2008, 3:52pm

Snarkasm-

Thanks for the speedy reply! I'm definitely trying this out when I get home from work...I've been looking forward to it for a while!

Actually, I have one other quick question.

I know when to execute the first terminal command (when the partitioning part of the installer comes up), but I'm kind of fuzzy on when to execute the 2nd command (to restore the MBR); should I do it when the installer asks about GRUB? Or is it sometime before that?

Thanks!
-Craig

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Snarkasm

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8 Jul 2008, 3:55pm

Not at all, good sir. Stick around and let us know how it goes.

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8 Jul 2008, 3:55pm

Welcome to Icrontic, Craig! Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

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Craigular.B

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8 Jul 2008, 11:10pm

Well, I worked on it all day and I only managed to screw things up.

I followed the guide, but I'm not sure if I did something wrong with copying the MBR; I ran the 2nd command as it was saying Installing Grub on the progress bar. Should I have done that before I even let the Linux base files install? The copy of Ubuntu that I used (8.04 32-bit) had the GRUB options under an "Advanced" button before the files started copying at all, but after the partitioning. Maybe I should get a copy of the Alternate Install CD for 32-bit?

It's looking like I'll be redoing everything tonight; Windows doesn't boot at all, and no amount of repairing and prodding has fixed it.

Can someone tell me what I did wrong with those commands? I'm sick of messing with it, so if someone can help me out that'd be great. Thanks!

-Craig

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Snarkasm

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9 Jul 2008, 12:09am

Yeah, I'd advise going with the alternate install disc; the graphical installer doesn't really do you any favors if you want to tinker with anything. It just installs the whole thing in one go, unlike the alternate disc. I'd go with the alternate if I were you.

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Craigular.B

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9 Jul 2008, 1:52am

So, I got the alternate install disc (i386 version, I've had more luck with software in x86 instead of 64).

When I get to the partition disks part, pressing "Alt-F2" doesn't kick me to a command line, it just sits at "[!!] Partition disks". Am I supposed to choose an option first or should it just work? I'm guessing without that terminal I can't back up the MBR, and so it'll all go to hell.

Any suggestions?
-Craig

EDIT So, I'm not sure what keystroke I used, but I finally got to a terminal. I'll post again when it works/I know what keys I pressed

END EDIT

EDIT AGAIN So, I think I had to hit Fn then Alt-F2 to get the terminal. Ubuntu finished installing, now I'm checking to see if I can still boot everything.

So, Windows says it's missing hal.dll. Ugh. Does anyone have an easy fix for this? Maybe if I just reinstall Windows over the old install (not a repair, but an actual install) that'd work. IDK. What're your thoughts?

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Craigular.B edited : 9 Jul 2008 at 2:35am .

Snarkasm

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9 Jul 2008, 6:06am

Download it, maybe? Not sure. If you're going to reinstall anyway, may as well try the whole process over again. From everything I've seen, this is a perfect guide, so if you varied anything, it might be worthwhile to wipe and start clean - but that's up to you.

Sorry it hasn't worked out so far; keep trying though.

Also, if you just edit your previous post, we don't get notifications that you've responded again to the thread, so put in a new response if you want us to see it faster

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Craigular.B

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9 Jul 2008, 6:14am

Ok, I wasn't sure what your policy on double-posting was

I think part of the problem was the partition numbering was off in Windows; I used Ubuntu to change my boot.ini file from partition 3 to partition 2. Now, I get the splash screen with the scroll bar for a second, then a blue screen with "UNMOUNTABLE_BOOT_VOLUME".

I'll probably do it all again anyway because I realized that I had my partition size backwards.

I have a question for you, though, and I think this is where I'm screwing up. Exactly when should I restore the mbr with

Code:

dd if=/tmp/sda.mbr of=/dev/sda

Should I do it while it's gathering more applications, or when I'm sitting at the GRUB install part, or just right after the base files? I think if I have an exact time to execute that 2nd command it'll work.

Thanks!
-Craig

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9 Jul 2008, 1:42pm

It's a good article, but I maintain a better setup is to install os x and then windows in bootcamp as the article starts. But to not bother with the linux 3rd partitioning. Instead linux runs very well inside of a virtual machine, parallels in particular.

The only real need to dual boot into windows instead of running it in a virtual machine is to gain all the graphical advantages (directx) of windows. Linux on the other hand doesn't rely on directx and runs perfectly happily in a vm.

You don't need parallels either, you can use any number of free virtual systems to do it. But parallels allows you to use your bootcamp partition as a virtual machine so you can access your windows partition both ways. It also has support for up to directx8.1 plus it's coherence mode works really well.

This doesn't take away from the article is really well done and straight forward. I'm just suggesting there is a more optimal way of doing it.

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Snarkasm

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9 Jul 2008, 2:21pm

I haven't done it, but I believe if you replace it just before GRUB tries to install, you should be good. We need TT back in here to clarify... I'll see if I can find him for you.

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Craigular.B

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9 Jul 2008, 3:08pm

kryyst-

Thanks for the input. I'll probably end up using a VM if I can't get the triple-boot to work; there's something about turning on my MacBook Pro and seeing those 3 boot options that is just inherently cool for me.

I'm still hoping I can get the triple-boot sorted out, but Parallels (I already have it) is definitely a solid option.

Snarkasm-

I'm just posting this again in case TT does take a look, I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 32-bit Alternate Install CD and Windows XP Pro SP2.

Thanks!
-Craig

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the_technocrat

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9 Jul 2008, 3:17pm

Hey!

OK, a few points:

You want to save a copy of the MBR before you partition the disk in the Ubuntu installer. You want to restore the MBR after you partition the disk. I would suggest doing so before installing GRUB. It just happens to be a good place to do it, when the grub install page is up. You don't have to perform these operations while the installer is doing stuff, and I wouldn't recommend it. Do them when the installer is waiting for user input.
Don't forget that you have to tell GRUB to install to the main linux partition, not the swap. It isn't in the listed suggestions, you have to know which partition the linux main is. I've listed what it usually is in the instructions.
Don't edit the boot.ini or any other Windows files. You don't need to.
Virtual machines work great. In fact, I have a triple-boot macbook with several virtual machines on it for testing. The goal of triple-booting is to have any OS and have access to 4GB of memory. In a virtualized environment, you will always share the memory between the host OS and the VM.

OK, so if you've done any of this stuff and borked the process, I wouldn't bother trying to fix it. Either Ubuntu mucked the MBR so Windows won't boot, or you've otherwise lost the pristine MBR Windows requires, and you're screwed. Easiest way is to boot into OSX, fire up Disk Utility (it's in Applications/Utilities), crush all the partitions back into OSX and start over.

This is a very exact procedure, and everything has to be done perfectly. If you make a mistake, you're done.

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the_technocrat

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9 Jul 2008, 3:24pm

Quoting Snarkasm

Guided partitioning will create a swap for you in the Ubuntu installer.

Jared, I think Vista has some extra stuff that helps the multiple-boot process, so it might change something, but overall, I think this process will help bypass it. You should be fine unless XP's boot sector is a different size.

Vista adds nothing to the process, Windows (and Ubuntu as well) are completely unaware that they are sharing the drive during boot. What the OS sees on the drive after boot is a different story as far as accessing files.

You can swap XP for Vista, and Ubuntu for another distro, provided that the Linux distro gets its bootloader installed to the partition and not the MBR, and Windows gets its MBR backed up and restored before and after Linux partitions the disk.

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Craigular.B

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9 Jul 2008, 9:21pm

Well, it's still not working.

I re-installed Windows and Ubuntu today and now I still get missing system32\hal.dll. I ran the commands in your tutorial when I was supposed to (before choosing 'Guided - Resize...etc.' and at the GRUB install screen (and even once before that because GRUB runs something before that screen comes up)) and it still does not work. And yes, I told Ubuntu to write GRUB to /dev/sda4, and when I look at the drive in the partition editor, Ubuntu is /dev/sda4.

I've found, however, that if I boot an Ubuntu Live CD and use the partition editor (the copy I installed with the alternate install CD didn't have the partition editor for some reason, but I couldn't use it anyway for what I did) to delete the Linux EXT3 and Swap partitions and expand the NTFS partition into that empty space, Windows boots just fine again.

It is strange that when I edit the Windows boot.ini file to partition 2 instead of 3 that I get the splash screen and then UNMOUNTABLE_BOOT_VOLUME, whereas with partition 3 it goes straight to missing hal.dll.

Any suggestions?
-Craig

Edited to add where GRUB was installed (/dev/sda4)

Sorry, one more thing: I'm not splitting the drive equally between the 3 OS's; I don't anticipate doing much work in Ubuntu, so that's getting about 13GB, Windows has around 55GB, and OS X has the rest. Not sure if it's relevant, just thought I'd add it.

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Craigular.B edited : 9 Jul 2008 at 9:29pm .

the_technocrat

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9 Jul 2008, 10:02pm

Did you re-create the windows partition from OSX, or just reinstall to it?

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Craigular.B

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9 Jul 2008, 10:07pm

This morning I re-created the partition in OS X. Now, if I delete the Ubuntu stuff Windows boots fine.

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Craigular.B edited : 9 Jul 2008 at 10:11pm . Reason: Changed Created to re-created

Craigular.B

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9 Jul 2008, 10:41pm

Just wanted to do a quick update-

I did a quick Google and a lot of the guides I found around the web put XP on /dev/sda4 instead of 3 (they use the diskutil command interface to make 3 partitions), and install XP on the last partition instead of the 3rd. They still use the same dd command, though. Would that maybe be it?

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the_technocrat

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9 Jul 2008, 10:48pm

Quoting Craigular.B

Just wanted to do a quick update-

I did a quick Google and a lot of the guides I found around the web put XP on /dev/sda4 instead of 3 (they use the diskutil command interface to make 3 partitions), and install XP on the last partition instead of the 3rd. They still use the same dd command, though. Would that maybe be it?

You could try...perhaps XP requires installation to the last partition (I vaguely remember this to be true), where Vista is more tolerant. The tutorial is for Vista x64, so you may have to adapt it to XP.

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tedrios

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10 Jul 2008, 2:54am

I am using the same software same versions as listed in document but performing this on a standard Macbook and with Vista 32bit and Ubuntu 64bit.
The only problem I am having is I have not been able to get to the terminal to enter the commands. Can anyone confirm having to press function or (FN) key to get to the option for the command line. I have also tried with a USB keyboard. Alt (Option) F2 did not work for me and neither did holding down FN+Alt+F2. Any tips on getting to command would be great. My Standard Macbook is about 3 weeks old and has 4GB or RAM with Core 2 2.4Ghz.

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Snarkasm

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10 Jul 2008, 3:00am

Try ctrl-alt-F1 or ctrl-alt-F2.

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tedrios

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10 Jul 2008, 3:03am

Ok,
Will do, might take a bit, I will be starting over from scratch for attampt number 3

Thanks.

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Craigular.B

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10 Jul 2008, 4:54am

Well, I have good news and bad news. The good news is, I got Windows installed on sda4 and it works even after installing Ubuntu on sda3. The bad news is, now when I try and boot Ubuntu I get a "GRUB GRUB Geom Error". (As in, I select Linux in rEFIt, I get the transparent penguin, and it errors)

Please tell me this is easy to fix?
-Craig

Edit: Well, now it's just saying "GRUB _" and the underscore flashes. IDK what's going on. Delete the partitions and try again maybe? I can easily restore my XP partition w/ WinClone in OS X. I had created a swap partition, but decided not to later to I used my livecd to delete it, that might've screwed it up...

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Craigular.B edited : 10 Jul 2008 at 5:50am . Reason: more info

Craigular.B

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10 Jul 2008, 8:56pm

Finally, good news! IT ALL WORKS!

What I did:

Found out the recognized size of my hard drive (all as one partition) with this:

Code:

diskutil list

Partitioned my disk with this command:

Code:

diskutil resizeVolume disk0s2 165G "Journaled HFS+" "Ubuntu" 12G "MS-DOS FAT32" "Windows XP" 55G

REMINDER: Those values are for a 250GB hard drive recognized as 232.4GB. Change the values to match your drive size and wants.

Reboot with XP disc in, installed to last partition (/dev/sda4). Installed BootCamp in XP, rebooted with Ubuntu 8.04 alternate install i386.

At partitioning, I exited to terminal and ran:

Code:

dd if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/sda.mbr bs=512 count=1

At the partitioner, I chose "Manual", 3rd partition, formatted to journaled ext3, mount point "/". Finished, wrote changes to disk, DID NOT MAKE A SWAP PARTITION.

Continued until GRUB install, ran:

Code:

dd if=/tmp/sda.mbr of=/dev/sda

Installed GRUB to /dev/sda3 (NOT /dev/sda4!)

Finished install and rebooted.

Updated rEFIt, and it all still works!

To make a swap FILE, boot into Ubuntu and do this:

Code:

# become root
sudo su - 
# create a 100 MB blank file
dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=100 
# setup file as swap
mkswap /swapfile 
# enable swapfile
swapon /swapfile 
# show swap
swapon -s

Thanks a bunch for your input and help, I'm happy I'm finally done!

Regards,
Craig

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Craigular.B edited : 10 Jul 2008 at 9:37pm . Reason: separated commands from comments in swap file block

the_technocrat

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10 Jul 2008, 9:02pm

Cool. Yes, Triple-booting a machine with XP is different than with Vista.

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Snarkasm

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10 Jul 2008, 9:04pm

Sounds like somebody wasn't so wrong after all :cough cough:

Glad you got it working, Craigular, and congrats. Thanks for YOUR help with the info you just gave us.

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Buddy J

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10 Jul 2008, 9:24pm

Well done Craig!

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fortillian

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12 Jul 2008, 12:16am

So I followed your directions explicitly. My only problem is that if i select to boot ubuntu, refit fades and i see the penquin and then nothing happens. It doesnt boot linux. I have the same setup as you. Macbook Pro 15" 2.5ghz. Vista-64bit Ultimate and Ubuntu 8.04. Windows Vista runs great, and OS X runs the same. Where did i go wrong?
on rEFIt Partitioning tool i see

Current GPT Partition Table
# Start LBA End LBA Type
1 40 409639 EFI System (FAT)
2 409640 465715239 Mac OS X HFS+
3 465977384 524571133 Basic Data
4 524571134 620936368 Basic Data
5 620936369 625142414 Linux Swap

Current MBR partition table:
#A Start LBA End LBA Type
1 1 409639 EE EFI Protective
2 409640 465715239 AF Mac OS X HFS+
3 465977384 524571133 07 NTFS/HPFS
4 524571134 620936368 83 Linux

Status: Tables are synchronized, no need to sync.

Any ideas why linux wont start up?

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Craigular.B

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12 Jul 2008, 5:49am

Quoting fortillian

So I followed your directions explicitly. My only problem is that if i select to boot ubuntu, refit fades and i see the penquin and then nothing happens. It doesnt boot linux. I have the same setup as you. Macbook Pro 15" 2.5ghz. Vista-64bit Ultimate and Ubuntu 8.04. Windows Vista runs great, and OS X runs the same. Where did i go wrong?
on rEFIt Partitioning tool i see

Current GPT Partition Table
# Start LBA End LBA Type
1 40 409639 EFI System (FAT)
2 409640 465715239 Mac OS X HFS+
3 465977384 524571133 Basic Data
4 524571134 620936368 Basic Data
5 620936369 625142414 Linux Swap

Current MBR partition table:
#A Start LBA End LBA Type
1 1 409639 EE EFI Protective
2 409640 465715239 AF Mac OS X HFS+
3 465977384 524571133 07 NTFS/HPFS
4 524571134 620936368 83 Linux

Status: Tables are synchronized, no need to sync.

Any ideas why linux wont start up?

Well, my first thought is to tell you to turn the machine off and try again; every time I loaded a new OS I had to choose it, then it would get stuck at the faded icon, then I'd hard reboot and it would be fine.

Other than that I'm not sure what to tell you. I only modified the instructions for XP, and I haven't used them with Vista at all, so I wouldn't even know the first place to look.

Good luck!
-Craig

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tedrios

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13 Jul 2008, 4:59am

Let me start by saying thank you for this post and all the helpfull information. After 7 attempts I have my tripple boot Mac running great.

These are the items that hung me up and what steps I changed a bit to resolve them. I only had trouble with the Linux install and the windows MBR getting corrupted.

First: On my Macbook the hotkey to get to a command line / Terminal was "FN+CTRL+ALT (OPTION)+F2"

Second: I am new to Linux so I did not know to use "sudo" in front of the command line for backing up and replacing the mbr so I changed

dd if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/sda.mbr bs=512 count=1

to "sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/sda.mbr bs=512 count=1"

Third: The replacement of the MBR part did not work for me to apply at any point before Grub ran its part of the process. I am not sure if the original poster did this from command line or if something was different but the Grub bootloader pops up almost immediately after the Partitioner.

As an additional note to select where Grub puts the bootloader you need to select Advanced Options on the final install screen immediately after inputting your name and password.

So for the windows bootloader to not be corrupted I had to restore the MBR at the very end of the installation when the installation asks for a restart. It is at that point that I ran the command again using sudo,

"sudo dd if=/tmp/sda.mbr of=/dev/sda"

And my last note is that it is "FN+CTRL+ALT (OPTION)+F7" to exit back to the installation.

Thanks again for the post and I am enjoying my tripple boot Macbook!

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Snarkasm

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13 Jul 2008, 5:14am

I think the part people are routinely missing is the fact that he used the alternate install CD, not the standard desktop install; when installing via the alternate install, the process installs the OS files first, and then later asks where you want to install GRUB rather than how the desktop CD just sets everything up first, asks for partitioning info, and then just assumes GRUB will go where it wants it to go. Did you use the alternate install disc?

Either way, thanks for the extra info and glad to hear you got it up and running!

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tedrios

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13 Jul 2008, 5:37am

Snark,

Thanks for pointing that out. I did not use the alternate install CD. Sounds like that could have been the cause for some confusion on my side. I appreciate your help. Guess my tips can be applied if someone uses the standard install.

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the_technocrat

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13 Jul 2008, 11:31pm

Yes, I intentionally listed the Alternate Install DC in the directions because of its install procedure. Using a different method of Ubuntu installation will require changing the install procedure.

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