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Looks like the AMD/ATI cards are getting totally different WUs (which makes sense) 4730, 4732, 4726. All worth ~200 points.
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In task manager, if you right click on the GPU2 Core_11 and the FAH Core_a1, there is an option to set Priority - Realtime, High, AboveNOrmal, NOrmal, BelowNormal, and Low. What should those be set to, both for GPU2 and WinSMP?
Update. I set GPU FAHCore_11 to Realtime and SMP cores each to Normal. PPD jumped from 3280 to 4220!

Anything else to try? Can anyone recommend a utility/script or something that will automatically set affinities and priorities for the SMP and GPU cores?
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It seems low to me also. No I was not aware that one had to reset affinities at every new work unit.
This applies to only SMP work units, not GPU2 units.

"Environmental variable?" I've set the Core Priority to "Slightly higher," if that's what you mean.
An environmental variable is something like the "PATH" variable you set using Control Panel -> System -> Advanced tab -> Environmental variables. Combined with the 1.07 core, it allows you to fine tune the affinity for GPU2. It's explained in this thread: http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3689

In task manager, if you right click on the GPU2 Core_11 and the FAH Core_a1, there is an option to set Priority - Realtime, High, AboveNOrmal, NOrmal, BelowNormal, and Low. What should those be set to, both for GPU2 and WinSMP?
Realtime will kill you if you try to do anything else on the computer. It's not really necessary if you are using the computer just for folding. You can leave this at the default.

As for relatively low production, I had wondered if the card was underclocked or something. Riva Tuner and GPU-Z both show the card to be at default of 600/1500/700.
If I forget to tweak the SMP affinity settings each WU, and let them share core 3 with GPU2, I get about the ppds you are showing. I wonder if that might be the problem. I'm not at the computer with the 8800, so I can't tell you what the clocks are on my card.
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those are defaults for the 8800gt except the memory it should be 900
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Alright, guys, I'll take a look at what you advised.

In the meantime though, take a look at Process Lasso. You can set affinities and priorities for each process. When a process starts, Lasso automatically assigns whatever affinity and priority you have preset. It works perfectly. I'm using it now.

4200PPD seems to be steady now. That is with core 3 assigned exclusively to GPU FAHCore and cores 0, 1, and 2 assigned to WinSMP FAHcore (all four instances).

BTW, the memory on my 8800GT is default 700MHz.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814133205 That is a base GT with no OC, of course it shows the effective rate of the mem. Don't know whats going on with yours.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with my card. GPU-Z shows the memory to be 700MHz, so I'm assuming effective rate, DDR, to be 1400MHz. It's pulling 4300 now consistently. I believe everything is alright.

Still though, does it make any difference with the advanced settings for the card, such as all the filtering, buffering, and texture options? I'm really quite a simpleton when it comes to 3D rendering.
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I remember reading in the OCForums F@H forum that shader speed is what affects ppd most, Leo. You might try overclocking the shaders and see if the ppd comes up.
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Yes, I read the same thing. I've played just a wee bit so far with overclocking this card. Both times GPU Folding errored out - "UNSTABLE MACHINE". Later today I'll be giving it another shot, perhaps boosting PCI-e voltage a bit more. From what I'm seeing though, 4300 seems to be a decent production for a no-frills 8800GT.
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boosting the PCI-ev shouldn't help if you are increasing and the thing crashes GPU2. The voltage on the card still stays the same unless you create a new BIOS with increased v to mem and core. If I was you I would dl ATITool and rivatuner at least, since the think failed on you. If you want to play with OC on the card change it, rivatuner, and then use ATITool for the stress testing and it reads out the temp for you as well. If you set your fan to 31% its fairly silent and lets you get close to 700/2000, core/mem. With the stock cooler you can push G92s 88s pretty hard without having to do v increase.
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OK, I didn't know that ATITool worked with Nvidia cards. Yeah, my OC attempts so far have been with Riva Tuner. If I continue with any OC workups today, I'll post a separate thread. I'm afraid I've taken this thread a little off topic.
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OK, up to 4412 PPD on a WU 5006. I boosted the shader by 50 points, which was good for about an additional 100PPD. I also tried a shader clock of 1600, 100MHz increase. That was stable until the screen saver ran for about half an hour.
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what is the duty cycle of your fan.
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Per Riva Tuner:

min - 29
max - 100

GPU temp has not exceeded 62C according to both SpeedFan and Riva Tuner
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In the meantime though, take a look at Process Lasso
Thanks Leo, I've been on the lookout for something like this.
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4700, pretty consistent now

I spent a couple days on and off looking for the sweet spot with my 8800GT. After MUCH trial and error, I finally found a completely stable configuration. For my XFX GT it Core 750/RAM 900/Shader 1575. I couldn't get any setting with a shader frequency above 1575MHz to be stable more than one hour. I ran 775/950/1625 for a short spell, which produced about 4930 points per day. the 750/900/1575 is averaging about 4700PPD.

To say the least, I am now a GPU Folding believer! Running one WinSMP client simultaneously with the GPU2 client, the machine (No. 4 in signature) is cranking out a rate of up to 7400PPD. No, I'm not exaggerating.
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To say the least, I am now a GPU Folding believer! Running one WinSMP client simultaneously with the GPU2 client, the machine (No. 4 in signature) is cranking out a rate of up to 7400PPD. No, I'm not exaggerating.
That's amazing! What an improvement! What are your affinity settings?
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Affinity settings:

GPU2 on CPU core 3
WinSMP client on CPU cores 0, 1, 2

Priority for both clients is set to "low"
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Affinity settings:
GPU2 on CPU core 3
WinSMP client on CPU cores 0, 1, 2
Priority for both clients is set to "low"
That's what I had mine set to, also, but now I'm experimenting to see if setting all of them to 0-4 brings up the SMP without hurting the GPU too much.

I appreciate you posting your OC settings for the 8800 GT. I have the same card you do and I'm going to try those settings too.
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This is what makes me so depressed...
Look at the bright side:
1) even just a modest system with a dual core processor can knock out 4000PPD if fitted with an 8800GT or better, and
2) 8800GTs can be had for relatively low prices now. I paid $105 shipped for mine, new, sealed, just without the silly (purely my opinion) game.

Look at it this way - it's now probably easier to accumulate massive points than before.
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I would say you could take your card higher even on the shader with a new BIOS loaded that had an increased voltage. Though past 1700 there doesn't seem to be any real improvement in production.
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Yeah, I've considered updating the BIOS and configuring for more voltage. I've updated motherboard BIOSes too many times to count. I've updated video card BIOSes before, too, but that was years ago. I'm a bit queasy about it, now. This is my first high performance video card I think in five years. For now, I'll just leave it where it is. Later maybe this winter, when I feel the urge to fix something that isn't broken, I'll update and configure the BIOS.
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high performance.........you have quadros listed in your sig. Now if you could get those puppies folding that would be sick
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Well, no. Quadros aren't necessarily high performance. Their core clocks and memory specifications aren't any higher than their gaming counterparts. They are just optimized for precision and have drivers certified for a truckload of professional design and drafting applications.
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So is there anyone doing GPU2 folding on two NVidia cards on our team, I am going to get the second card in the next weeks and if someone else has already gone through troubleshooting problems that would be nice to know.
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So is there anyone doing GPU2 folding on two NVidia cards on our team, I am going to get the second card in the next weeks and if someone else has already gone through troubleshooting problems that would be nice to know.
Last I saw on the GPU2 FAQ, dual video cards aren't supported for folding. It would be awesome though.
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http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3692 It is just not in SLI or crossfire.
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I stand corrected. I'll try it tonight.
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I haven't looked into it very much, but my last readings seemed to show that a second video card's production on a quad core machine was 50% or less of the first card's. That would be about the same total single machine production as the same machine folding one WinSMP CPU unit plus one GPU2 unit. Again, I haven't looked at this closely.
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Again, I haven't looked at this closely.
Now I have looked more attentively. People are now running two cards and two GPU2 clients in the same computer. Over 10,000 PPD in some cases.
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Two cards + 2xSMP clients works fine for me here (Vista64). "HTPC1" has a 8600GT and a 8800GT in it, and "TEST 2" has a 8800GT and a 8800GTX, no problems at all
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That would explain why you suddenly surged ahead of me!

Isevald, are both of your computer's PCI slots X16?
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holy 40K PPD. Nice job, Iselvald.
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Two cards + 2xSMP clients works fine for me here (Vista64). "HTPC1" has a 8600GT and a 8800GT in it, and "TEST 2" has a 8800GT and a 8800GTX, no problems at all
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so with the multiple cards do you have monitors hooked up to them and running GPU2 on each monitor or have the scripts.
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That would explain why you suddenly surged ahead of me!

Isevald, are both of your computer's PCI slots X16?
Physical yes (obviously), but the 8600GT+8800GT setup runs in an old 975 based board, so the numbers of lanes are split into x8 for each slot. Haven't had time to check the other one (8800GT + 8800GTX) , but the board in that one is x38 based (Asus Maximus Formula).

so with the multiple cards do you have monitors hooked up to them and running GPU2 on each monitor or have the scripts.
Oh, I forgot to mention, I'm using dummy adapters to fool Vista into thinking there are monitors connected to all cards. I had to use it to get a picture on one of the computers that only got TV out connected too (no display with the 177.35 Cuda enabled drivers).

EDIT: Scripts? Haven't seen those...got a link?

I used the guide that seems to be linked to everywhere: http://soerennielsen.dk/mod/VGAdummy/index_en.php

But simplified it, using a DVI to VGA adapter like this: (no soldering required, just inserted the 75ohm resistors into the VGA connector and secured them by hot glue, takes like 10 minutes)
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Wow! That's so simple!

I simply MUST find more stuff to sell to finance more 8800 purchases.

By the way, Isevald and Enisada. I spent all that hard work and dedication to pass you guys on the Team rankings and then you sneak up on me in the very dark of the night, figuratively stab me in the back, and don't even call an ambulance. What, you guys got upset when I passed you a few weeks ago?
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4. You need to set these variables either in a script that launches the client, or before you launch the client. Doing so after starting the client will have no effect until it is stopped and restarted.

Thats from the link I posted earlier, I haven't read through the whole thread but they don't go into any more detail than that

So with that you just launch multiple instances of GPU2, I keep reading how to do this but I am not grasping.
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....By the way, Isevald and Enisada. I spent all that hard work and dedication to pass you guys on the Team rankings and then you sneak up on me in the very dark of the night, figuratively stab me in the back, and don't even call an ambulance. What, you guys got upset when I passed you a few weeks ago?
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4. You need to set these variables either in a script that launches the client, or before you launch the client. Doing so after starting the client will have no effect until it is stopped and restarted.

Thats from the link I posted earlier, I haven't read through the whole thread but they don't go into any more detail than that

So with that you just launch multiple instances of GPU2, I keep reading how to do this but I am not grasping.
I don't understand it either Maybe interesting if you got a mixed setup with NV and ATI? (all not cuda capable) I'm only using the -gpu x switch under advanced config:
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The Asus Maximus Formula board has more PCIe lanes, and supports PCIe 2.0. Both GPU's in that board are getting the full x16 lanes, but one is in 2.0 mode (the newer GT). The GPU's in the 975 based board only get x8 in 1.0 mode, but performance doesn't seem to suffer as far as I can tell.
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..So with that you just launch multiple instances of GPU2, I keep reading how to do this but I am not grasping.
I don't think you can install the GPU2 client multiple times (since you can't change the install path). So I basically just cloned the two folders (one in Program Files, the other under user), and created a second shortcut in the startup folder pointing to the cloned files. Like this: (the blue arrows indicate the original setup for the first gpu)

BTW: make sure to delete the config.cfg, queue.dat and work dir in the cloned client folders, then launch both clients and make sure the config is correct for both clients (particularly the -gpu x flag).
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Lots of good stuff in this thread- thanks for all the dual insights, Isevald.

I just can't let this thread go without giving some representation to the ATI camp- despite its comparatively lesser performance.

Currently, if you've got an ATI board, it seems you will get somewhat less than half the numbers of a graphically equivalent nVidia card. For example, If you're getting about 4-5000ppd on your nVidia 8800GTX, an HD3870 can do about 2-2500ppd.

Attached are some screenshots of my HD3870 riding on a GA-EP35C-DS3R with a Q9450 CPU clocked to 3.2GHz. I also use 4GB of GSkil PC2-8000s. There is not a lot of difference in the CPU usage. I do throttle the processor to run at about 90%. The thing that might be worthy of some attention here is that while I lose about 23% of my CPU capability to service the GPU client, my time per frame on the SMP client only went from 13 minutes to 14 minutes- less than 8% loss. That means, in this case, I've traded about 200ppd for about 2500- a decent netting. Sort of like having another quad-core running despite that it's not an nVidia.

So, if folding is important to you and you do have an ATI HD of this performance level or better, you might want to consider putting it to use.



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If not already done, you need to assign the WinSMP client to three cores and the GPU client to the remaining core. I assume you have, just a reminder in case you haven't.
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If not already done, you need to assign the WinSMP client to three cores and the GPU client to the remaining core. I assume you have, just a reminder in case you haven't.

Actually, no. I haven't screwed with the SMP cores or their affinities at all. (For my purposes, I haven't run 2 SMP clients or affinity changer prior to this either).

What I did do is something that they seem to take into account quite a bit- and that is tuning the core priority and usage percentage (see attached). Actually, if I'm using 3 cores and small change, then, for some reason, the client is running the four SMP engines more effectively now than it did when I didn't have a GPU client.

Using this configuration, I've about doubled my prior production- though be it with an ATI card- and that seems to be pretty consistent with the best they're getting with the HD3870.

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Right, but ensure that your WinSMP client is three, and only three cores, that is, the three cores GPU F@H is not using. You can use Task Manager\Processes to set that, but you'll have to reset every time you restart your computer. A better solution is Process Lasso. It will automatically set affinities and priority every time you start a process, according to what you've set it to. It's interface is very much like Task Manager. It's free. Process Lasso
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Understand that I really appreciate what you're trying to do.

However, I suppose I'm not getting the issue here. If I were to hazard a guess, the issue this addresses must apply to nVidias, because I'm hanging with the best results they've got for ATI 3870s without having to reset affinities or using 3rd party tools.
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Anybody else having issues with serious performance impact? My 8800GTS (old version) is doing all right against the SMP, getting around 3700/day, but my new 8800GT is pulling between 2k and 3k, usually on the low side, and seriously affecting display. Webpages take too long to render, scroll speeds become stuttery, backspace even gets choppy. It hung TF2 for several seconds at a time repeatedly before I had to go back and just exit it to try and play. Did I miss some settings somewhere, or is this just the performance hit I'm going to have to live with? Also, RivaTuner doesn't work with these beta drivers, so I'm in Leo's boat, and I'm gonna have to request some assistance if I'm going to OC the 8800GT. Given the point output, I think I'd like to, but let me know if I've screwed up some settings first.

The GT, by the way, is on an E8400 system with no other folding running.

Side note: can't believe I missed these values for so long. I hit 15k the other day in 24 hours and thought it was an AMAZING convergence in timing to get all those points in; now I'm projecting 10k easy without the PS3's contribution. Very interesting.
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Alright Snark I am your man on this one. I don't know if you say my acid trip issue thread I where I posted jacked up screen shots of TF2 game play, FarCry did the same thing. What it seems to be is RivaTuner when it is doing its software OC through the driver is causing a texture/rendering issue with some games. For instance TF2 and FarCry both do the acid vision to me while Grid(ported from 36) runs perfectly fine. I have to disable GPU2 to play games while allowing the SMP to keep its affinities and run in the background.

That 88 should be doing high 4 to just over 5k, I am on the 175.16 driver on the Nvidia website currently with the modded inf file otherwise it will lock your system after roughly 5 hours.

I just threw a 8500 in and will have ppds for it tomorrow, depending on out come might swap it out tomorrow for a 8600. Isevald's post explain everything easy enough to get it all up and running to have two cards folding.
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