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karl wagner
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karl wagner
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can someone help me? i have the same isue on my dell 991, i don;t know where the resister is and so i can get it fix, i don;t think i wanna go with the cable route...thx

http://www.short-media.com/forum/sho...496#post380496

I changed R048 (2.2M, 2W) to about 12M to lower the G2 voltage on my P991. This resistor is located at the upper right of the A board (viewed from the rear of the chassis) and is easily accessible. Most everything else on this board is covered by a metal shield which makes resistor changes somewhat messy.

Changing the resistor fixed all my problems (background tint, retrace lines, excess brightness) but the drastic change in the resitor value just didn't feel right. I eventually ended up going back to the 2.2M value and used Das and a home-made cable to take care of my problems.
joe3563
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joe3563
7 Posts
Just wondering if anyone found some kind of adjustment in WinDAS to control the brightness compensation during warmup. I just got a refurb for cheap but something's not right. The picture is completely washed out for a while after I turn it on, but looks great (at brightness 30) once it warms up for 20-30 mins. I'm thinking about building my own cable, but didn't want to spend the time/money unless I knew for sure there was a way to fix my problem through DAS.

BTW this thread ROCKS!
This is normal. I have two g500s that are exactly the same way and have been like this since they where new. I believe you are stuck waiting 20 mins after power on before the monitor starts to look good.
rick74
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rick74
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To anyone who had success with WinDAS, I need your help. I have the software installed correctly with the proper RS232 adapter. I can start WinDAS fine, but when I go to save the DAT file I get a "ECS Syntax Error" pop-up. I click on OK, and then GO to proceed with saving the file. But when I use the Expert Viewer to open up the file, all my settings are 0. I am reluctant to edit the file and load it to the monitor. Anyone has any advice? Thanks.
rick74
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rick74
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To anyone who had success with WinDAS, I need your help. I have the software installed correctly with the proper RS232 adapter. I can start WinDAS fine, but when I go to save the DAT file I get a "ECS Syntax Error" pop-up. I click on OK, and then GO to proceed with saving the file. But when I use the Expert Viewer to open up the file, all my settings are 0. I am reluctant to edit the file and load it to the monitor. Anyone has any advice? Thanks.
Sorry, never mind. I had the wrong monitor model selected. This forum is awesome. My monitor's brightness level is back to normal. Thanks all.

rick
brutaljoe
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brutaljoe
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I've got an hp p1120 myself. I tell WinDAS it's an HP D8915.
I've built a version of the cable that requires no capacitors. It uses a MAX233, which has the caps built in.
Cheers!
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MediaWork
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MediaWork
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Dear P991 DELL SONY,

Thank you so much, thank you so very much!
And thank you to everyone else who supplied valuable information to this thread.

For 5 months I have had a brightness problem with my Sun GDM-5410. It was within acceptable limits once the monitor warmed up. However, recently scanline-retrace started appearing when the monitor was cold and I was beginning to worry that it would start shutting down because of the high G2 voltage.
Actually, I had already built my cable and circuit 5 months ago, but gave up because no matter what I did (I tried absolutely everything), I always received a message about not being able to communicate with the monitor. Thanks to the person who created and posted the information about building the cable (in this thread), and now you, I successfully changed the G2 value from 180 to 150.
However, I ran into a couple of "down-heartening" problems, even with the help of your guide and would now like to give you and everyone else some tips in case someone runs into the same problems that I had.

Firstly, I had to select the correct COM port and my monitor model- no problem there. Then I successfully downloaded the monitor data to a file (the screen went blank for 15 seconds) and edited the G2 value in Notepad. However, after trying to "Load Data to Set" (the screen went blank, and stayed blank) I switched the monitor off for 30 seconds and back on again, I was then confronted with an unusual message (sorry, did not write it down) mentioning my monitor model, I clicked "yes" a couple of times and got the message "ECS Syntax Error". I thought that maybe Notepad had garbled the file format (and I was right, but read on) so I looked at the original file I had download from the monitor and the newly saved file side-by-side in two notepad windows and they appeared identical, except for the changed G2 value. I started getting frustrated, so I decided to look at the edited file using the WinDAS viewer and got a window saying "save format is different". I re-edited the downloaded file in the Hex Workshop Hex editor and this time it worked. The screen went blank for around 60 seconds though, so I was just about to switch the monitor off thinking the update had failed again. Perhaps you should mention that it can take this long in your terrific guide. I look forward to any possible additions to your guide about other values that could be changed - but no there's no pressure.

Also, the circuit diagram mentioned a DB-25 serial connection when most computers will have only a DB-9 connection. You can buy an adaptor, or scour Google links with some of these or similar search terms: max232cpe diagram DB9

I do not remember which sites or search terms I used exactly to get the information I needed, but by looking for circuit diagrams with the max232 chip you will almost certainly find the right connections.

Thanks again! I need my precious 21 inch monitor for my work and studies, but can not easily afford another one. With everyone's help I was able to save the one I have.
mrtube
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mrtube
9 Posts
trying to help a friend with his sony E-540, i ran int a problem and now look like a dope...

i tried modifying his G2 level via notepad, wordpad and MS WORD

and it keeps telling me the model has been changed, and wont let me upload the dat..

infact i tried just opening the file in notepad and saving, not changing anyting
same deal....
and yes it had the .dat extension

HELP!!!!!
smata67
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smata67
4 Posts
can someone help me? i have the same isue on my dell 991, i don;t know where the resister is and so i can get it fix, i don;t think i wanna go with the cable route...thx

http://www.short-media.com/forum/sho...496#post380496

I successfully fixed the overbrightness on the P991 by putting a 1M Ohm resistor in parallel with R050. It is a tight fit in there, that resistor is surface mounted and pretty dang small. Someone else here reported doing something with R048 that may not have worked as well. Here is an older post of mine that has additional helpful information. The fix is working beautifully for me, using the monitor right now, actually.

You need to go to hutzelman site, he does the resistor fix on a similiar model, the P1110, and documents it very nicely there, google it.

This is where I originally discovered that the P991 requires a change to a different value resistor than on the P1110:

http://www.macfixitforums.com/php/pr...08&type=thread

which identified the necessary resistor to modify as R050. This is one of those tiny square mini resistors. Apparently, you need to put a 1M Ohm resistor in parallel with it to fix the problem or replace it entirely with a 500K Ohm. I am enclosing a picture here of the P991 board (caution, large file) so you can see what I'm talking about:

http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p9915rs.jpg

The area in question is in the upper right hand part of the board. R050 is that tiny black thing just left of IC005.

Good luck and be safe, there are some pretty serious voltages floating around in that area, enough to ruin your day.
Ross
Graphic Designer/Games modder
Ross
33 Posts
trying to help a friend with his sony E-540, i ran int a problem and now look like a dope...

i tried modifying his G2 level via notepad, wordpad and MS WORD

and it keeps telling me the model has been changed, and wont let me upload the dat..

infact i tried just opening the file in notepad and saving, not changing anyting
same deal....
and yes it had the .dat extension

HELP!!!!!
The best thing to do is to save monitor data to another file /folder and open and edit with a program called edit.com which is located in your computer here C:WINDOWS\system32\edit.com When you right click on the new .dat file open it as and then select the program from the list and then select other and locate edit in the folder shown above.

Hope that helps mate.

Ross
hotwinter
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hotwinter
2 Posts
Help! after bring G2 to 120, my P1130 looks perfect. but the osd locked up after I power off the monitor and on again. Anyone know how to unlock it? Thanks a lot!!!
mrtube
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mrtube
9 Posts
if you dont already have them get the CR1 files for windas, then
go to procedure, and "FINALIZE" its the last thing on the list
tab to the OK button that i can never see, hit enter, itll say 'FINALIZE??" say YES
itll finalize, and your OSD will be unlocked
hotwinter
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hotwinter
2 Posts
if you dont already have them get the CR1 files for windas, then
go to procedure, and "FINALIZE" its the last thing on the list
tab to the OK button that i can never see, hit enter, itll say 'FINALIZE??" say YES
itll finalize, and your OSD will be unlocked

Thanks! unlocked after finalize from Procedure...
Ross
Graphic Designer/Games modder
Ross
33 Posts
Mr tube did you get your dat files edited ok?
gravix
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gravix
8 Posts
I'd like to thank all of you again for all your hard work. This thread rocks!

I sucessfully built a cable and used WINDAS to fix the brightness. I previously used the resistor fix, but I snipped it out after I verified that my cable was working. The cable fix is definitely as good or better than the resistor fix, if anyone is wondering.

Someone linked to a Nokia test image generator earlier but the link was dead. Here is a working link:

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multime...tor-Test.shtml

By the way, when you are building your cable, make sure you connect the ground of the serial cable to the ground of the monitor power supply with a resistor. I didn't do this and couldn't for the life of me figure out why it wasn't working.

I do have a question: Does anyone have details on how to perform the fine-tuning convergence adjustments? I have tried Procedure->Convergence Adjustment from within the WinDAS software, but this only allows adjustment of the same 4 values you can adjust through the monitor's OSD. I have some really awful convergence in my corners and it would be nice to fix it up. (Actually I have played with a lot of the stuff in the Procedure section, but most of it requires special equipment to adjust properly)
LAGRUNAUER
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LAGRUNAUER
12 Posts
In WinDAS, under Adjustments, go to Dcnv (Dynamic Convergence), and then you can adjust the convergence of practically every inch of the screen. Try it, but remember to save you DAT file first before you try it. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,

Luis A. Grunauer, Jr.

I'd like to thank all of you again for all your hard work. This thread rocks!

I sucessfully built a cable and used WINDAS to fix the brightness. I previously used the resistor fix, but I snipped it out after I verified that my cable was working. The cable fix is definitely as good or better than the resistor fix, if anyone is wondering.

Someone linked to a Nokia test image generator earlier but the link was dead. Here is a working link:

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multime...tor-Test.shtml

By the way, when you are building your cable, make sure you connect the ground of the serial cable to the ground of the monitor power supply with a resistor. I didn't do this and couldn't for the life of me figure out why it wasn't working.

I do have a question: Does anyone have details on how to perform the fine-tuning convergence adjustments? I have tried Procedure->Convergence Adjustment from within the WinDAS software, but this only allows adjustment of the same 4 values you can adjust through the monitor's OSD. I have some really awful convergence in my corners and it would be nice to fix it up. (Actually I have played with a lot of the stuff in the Procedure section, but most of it requires special equipment to adjust properly)
LAGRUNAUER
Icrontic Convert
LAGRUNAUER
12 Posts
From the Windows START, go to RUN, then type EDIT. Once in EDIT, go to FILE - OPEN, and then open the DAT file you wish to modify as OPEN BINARY (this box must be checked). Once it is opened, scroll down and locate the G2* value and modify it with the value of your choice. Once this is done, save the adjusted file and then try loading it on WinDAS. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,

Luis A. Grunauer, Jr.

(*): G2 value can be identify on WinDAS by opening the DAT file with the HELP - EXPERT - VIEWER Viewer



if you dont already have them get the CR1 files for windas, then
go to procedure, and "FINALIZE" its the last thing on the list
tab to the OK button that i can never see, hit enter, itll say 'FINALIZE??" say YES
itll finalize, and your OSD will be unlocked
LAGRUNAUER
Icrontic Convert
LAGRUNAUER
12 Posts
From the Windows START, go to RUN, then type EDIT. Once in EDIT, go to FILE - OPEN, and then open the DAT file you wish to modify as OPEN BINARY (this box must be checked). Once it is opened, scroll down and locate the G2* value and modify it with the value of your choice. Once this is done, save the adjusted file and then try loading it on WinDAS. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,

Luis A. Grunauer, Jr.

(*): G2 value can be identify on WinDAS by opening the DAT file with the HELP - EXPERT - VIEWER Viewer




trying to help a friend with his sony E-540, i ran int a problem and now look like a dope...

i tried modifying his G2 level via notepad, wordpad and MS WORD

and it keeps telling me the model has been changed, and wont let me upload the dat..

infact i tried just opening the file in notepad and saving, not changing anyting
same deal....
and yes it had the .dat extension

HELP!!!!!
LAGRUNAUER
Icrontic Convert
LAGRUNAUER
12 Posts
From the Windows START, go to RUN, then type EDIT. Once in EDIT, go to FILE - OPEN, and then open the DAT file you wish to modify as OPEN BINARY (this box must be checked). Once it is opened, scroll down and locate the G2* value and modify it with the value of your choice. Once this is done, save the adjusted file and then try loading it on WinDAS. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,

Luis A. Grunauer, Jr.

(*): G2 value can be identify on WinDAS by opening the DAT file with the HELP - EXPERT - VIEWER Viewer



To anyone who had success with WinDAS, I need your help. I have the software installed correctly with the proper RS232 adapter. I can start WinDAS fine, but when I go to save the DAT file I get a "ECS Syntax Error" pop-up. I click on OK, and then GO to proceed with saving the file. But when I use the Expert Viewer to open up the file, all my settings are 0. I am reluctant to edit the file and load it to the monitor. Anyone has any advice? Thanks.
Ross
Graphic Designer/Games modder
Ross
33 Posts
From the Windows START, go to RUN, then type EDIT. Once in EDIT, go to FILE - OPEN, and then open the DAT file you wish to modify as OPEN BINARY (this box must be checked). Once it is opened, scroll down and locate the G2* value and modify it with the value of your choice. Once this is done, save the adjusted file and then try loading it on WinDAS. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,

Luis A. Grunauer, Jr.

(*): G2 value can be identify on WinDAS by opening the DAT file with the HELP - EXPERT - VIEWER Viewer


Didnt i kind of cover this after Mr Tubes question already?????????????????????
gravix
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gravix
8 Posts
To anyone who had success with WinDAS, I need your help. I have the software installed correctly with the proper RS232 adapter. I can start WinDAS fine, but when I go to save the DAT file I get a "ECS Syntax Error" pop-up. I click on OK, and then GO to proceed with saving the file. But when I use the Expert Viewer to open up the file, all my settings are 0. I am reluctant to edit the file and load it to the monitor. Anyone has any advice? Thanks.
I ran into this same message once when my homemade cable was not connected to the monitor at all! I had to short a few pins in the serial cable in order to get the connection to work, and if those pins are shorted (but the cable is not connected to the monitor), then the Sony software will report an ECS Syntax Error but still offer to "save the data". Then, when it is saved, you will see it is all zeros.

So, I would verify that your cable is the correct part, and that you do not need to switch some of the pins, perhaps. By the way, my G500 blanks the tube and turns off the power LED when it is saving data: it goes completely dark during the operation.

Good luck!

In WinDAS, under Adjustments, go to Dcnv (Dynamic Convergence), and then you can adjust the convergence of practically every inch of the screen. Try it, but remember to save you DAT file first before you try it. Hope this helps!
Ah, thank you Luis, I see the option. Unfortunately it is greyed out and I cannot select it! I wonder what gives; everything else works fine. I tried changing models and adding signal generators in the config screen thinking that perhaps it wanted me to use a signal generator or it didn't like my particular model, but nothing seemed to ungrey the Dcnv option. Do you have any ideas? Should I perhaps reinstall WINDAS? (I am trying to perform the adjustment on a Sony CPD-G500, by the way)
gravix
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gravix
8 Posts
If anyone is curious, I have concluded that it is not possible to use the dynamic convergence adjustment on the CPD-G500. I believe you must have a P99-based monitor (like the GDM-F500) to do this. The G1-based monitors like the CPD-G500 and Dell P1110 don't have this capability.

Ah well. =D
Ross
Graphic Designer/Games modder
Ross
33 Posts
If anyone is curious, I have concluded that it is not possible to use the dynamic convergence adjustment on the CPD-G500. I believe you must have a P99-based monitor (like the GDM-F500) to do this. The G1-based monitors like the CPD-G500 and Dell P1110 don't have this capability.

Ah well. =D
I have the same problem aon a couple of p1110 s. Its a real shame!
What about the 24" Sony GDM FW900 ? I cant remmember if it is G1W or G1.

Cheers,

Ross
huggs2
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huggs2
3 Posts
I have the same problem aon a couple of p1110 s. Its a real shame!
What about the 24" Sony GDM FW900 ? I cant remmember if it is G1W or G2.

Cheers,

Ross

According to the service manual for a sony GDM-FW900 which i have in pdf on my screen right now is
G1w. The G2 voltage is 522volts. good luck
Ross
Graphic Designer/Games modder
Ross
33 Posts
According to the service manual for a sony GDM-FW900 which i have in pdf on my screen right now is
G1w. The G2 voltage is 522volts. good luck
Thanks for the info huggs2. Would it be possible to email me the pdf?
If you are kind enough to do this my email is rosstheboss818@yahoo.co.uk
Thanks again for your help.

Ross
huggs2
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huggs2
3 Posts
Thanks for the info huggs2. Would it be possible to email me the pdf?
If you are kind enough to do this my email is rosstheboss818@yahoo.co.uk
Thanks again for your help.

Ross

Its on its way
Ross
Graphic Designer/Games modder
Ross
33 Posts
Its on its way
cheers mate i really appreciate it!!!!!!!!
Ross
Graphic Designer/Games modder
Ross
33 Posts
Dcnv is available for the Sony GDM FW900 as its not blanked out in windas
but when i change any of the values it does not seem to do anything.

I have tried selecting different areas of the screen(its displayed in sections/squares) but it does not seem to effect the red green of blue guns alignment.

Update:
updated windas software and Dynamic convergeance functions.


P991 DELL SONY
P991 tweaker, Sony WinDAS user
P991 DELL SONY
97 Posts
Hard to believe that the P1110 and others do not support Dynanmic Covergence. When only using static convergence my P991 seemed impossible to converge acceptably (and I'm talking BIG errors on the edges). From what I understand, dynamic convergence is like having convergence magnets that change strength and/or position depending on where the raster is scanning, done via coils simmiliar to the way the dynamic deflection geometry is implemented. I know that on some monitors convergence ( which I assume is static?) is done via varistors on the yoke of the CRT, I guess more curved and smaller monitors can do without dynamic convergence? How could sony converge all these large, flat CRTs without dynamic convergence? There's got to be some way they did it in the factory.

Anyhow, RAYMAN has sent me memos from sony detailing the oficial fix and diagnosis for the over-brightness problem and the power-on screen zooming. Here they are:

CONFIDENTIAL

Last Update
3/6/2002 Event ID
E14653134 Model
CPDG500
Subject
Countermeasure to prevent background brightness intensifying
with
time

SYMPTOMS

The background brightness may intensify with the passage of
time,
not allowing the brightness control and color return function to make
adjustment.

RESOLUTION

The following measures for the applicable series of models that
are returned for repair.
1. ReplaceIC001 on the N board with the microcomputer
(CXD8744Q-0032 P/N 6-801-416-01) for which measures have been
taken.
2. Change the register set value.
1. When the power is turned on without changing the set value,
images will appear with abnormally high screen brightness.

2. Change the register value shown below and conduct service
save.
OSD_ENILARGE_LINES = 128
V_BLK_WIDTH_MIN_FV = 90
V_BLK_WIDTH_MAX_FV = 10
Please use the latest software to change the monitor register
data.
WinDAS :1.420.117
DAS :DASJB1.0.8
3. White balance control:
The control method is the same as that for sets in which
conventional microcomputers are mounted. It will take several seconds
longer for detection of the standard state of color return, but the
process and control commands is the same.
4. Control of deflecting system (screen distortion)
Control of the deflection system is necessary after replacement
of microcomputers.


MORE INFORMATION
o

Unit/Model Details
o

Links

Unit/Model Detail
Unit(s): SN Start SN End Factory Family Name Product
Category
CPDG500 2,700,001 2,707,200 INY G1 C/P




CONFIDENTIAL

Last Update
3/6/2002 Event ID
E14757495 Model
CPDG500, GDM5402, GDMF500R
Subject
Screen zooming when power is turned on

SYMPTOMS

The ABL circuit is activated by the initial drift of the CRT
when
the power is turned on, possibly causing screen zooming.

RESOLUTION

Change R931 on the D Board in the above-mentioned sets from 1.2k
to 1.0K.

Ref Description Part Number
R931 Metal Film Chip resistor 1.0K 1/10W 1-216-651-11



Be sure to check and adjust auto white balance if necessary in
order to correct the change in luminance due to long-time use. This
change will not cause any problem about the X-ray control standard.

MORE INFORMATION
o

Unit/Model Details
o

Parts
o

Links

Unit/Model Detail
Unit(s): SN Start SN End Factory Family Name Product
Category
CPDG500 ALL ALL INY G1 C/P
GDM5402 ALL ALL C/P
GDMF500R ALL ALL INY G1 C/P

Parts
Part Number Reference Number Description Symptom Code
Section
Code PCB Reference Defect Code Repair Code
1-216-651-11 R931 Metal Film Chip resistor 1.0K 1/10W 1336
VPA D A I

Interesting that the over-brightness is cured by replacing IC1001 with ' a micro-computer for which measures have been taken'. Perhaps this is a simmiliar micro controller with updated firmware burned into its rom? It looks like the problem was a software bug after all.

My P991 exhibits screen zooming on power on. I will try this fix when I get the time. It concerns me that the 'X-ray controll standard' is mentioned, perhaps the ABL circuits limiting of average brightness was just an x-ray safety measure? Could changing the register values that controll the ABL make your monitor an x-ray hazzard? The ABL_SHUTDOWN register shuts the monitor off if the average brightness becomes momentarily too high (such as after switching from a black to white screen) before the ABL can act to dim it, I thought this had to do with protecting the monitor, not the user.

Good luck to everyone, hope RAYMAN's info gives you some insight. Thanks RAYMAN!


Dcnv is available for the Sony GDM FW900 as its not blanked out in windas
but when i change any of the values it does not seem to do anything.

I have tried selecting different areas of the screen(its displayed in sections/squares) but it does not seem to effect the red green of blue guns alignment.

Is there anyone who has used this and if so can you tell me how Dcnv functions.
Thanks

Start from the left, then move right. The changes on the far right are barely noticeable., changes on the left are a lot more drastic. I sugest displaying a crosshatch and running DAS on another computer.

When you start up DCNV it will start in the sugested starting location, each time you hit next it will move you through to the sugested ending position. If you do the whole screen in that order you should end up with perfect convergence.

Unfourtunately, making small changes to just the parts you want to fix doesn't always work out, as it then affects other places, so you may have to do the whole screen in the sugested order even to fix just a bad corner. (Depends on how bad the corner is really, if it's small you may be able to get away with fixing just it)

Whatever you do, make sure to converge on a crosshatch, and make sure your geometry and static convergence settings are done first (if you decide to change them at all). I had reset my dynamic convergence to the defaults (looks horrible) then did the geometry, then did static convergence (gave the center of the screen priority while ignoring the conerners/edges), then dynamic convergence. It took a long time, but gave better results compared to just tweaking the edges and corners.

Good luck.
dorian
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dorian
1 Posts
I ve compiled information about installing windas and other tips and included them on the following website

http://people.aapt.net.au/~augen/win...monitor%20fix/

It has links to download windas included so when you click all of the files to install windas are in the one place.

happy fixing
P991 DELL SONY
P991 tweaker, Sony WinDAS user
P991 DELL SONY
97 Posts
I ve compiled information about installing windas and other tips and included them on the following website

http://people.aapt.net.au/~augen/win...monitor%20fix/

It has links to download windas included so when you click all of the files to install windas are in the one place.

happy fixing
Nice site!

I'm curious about the fix where you press the ok button and the brightness goes up then down?

My P991 will do that (hold down the center button about 4 sec when there is no signal) however, it did not fix the brightness problem (if it did, any theories about how it did it?). I've heard that this is actually a clamp test for the ABL circuit. In my pre-tweaked monitor, it just slowly became very bright such that retrace lines were visible. After my early tweaks (having reset the EEPROM), the monitor would shutdown during this test, I had to raise my ABL_SHUTDOWN setting so that it would not shutdown during this test. Maybe on newer models the test will adjust something? Studying before and afters of the EEPROM settings will shed light on this.

Thanks for clarifying the DB9 DB25 confusion and specifying exactly what to look for in the case of several alternate methods. Using the cd audio cable was a good idea, much more realistic than cutting the floppy power connector off of an old power supply.

Has anyone found a cheaper pre-built cable? I remember that one off ebay was quite a deal but they sold out. Then there were international shipping concerns. If we could find a dealer in each continent maybe we could eliminate shipping problems. Or keep tabs on ebay merchants.

Now double click on install.exe to extract the windas files to a windas directory. A folder will be created if you have not already made one. Call it windas. (You must type in a folder location. For some reason pressing the Folder button caused many errors and the installer wouldn't install.)
Yay! So this is that mysterious problem that has been mentioned by several people. Can't find the .lzh file? Was that it?

If anyone still has a brightness problem, let me know: Is white text on black background easier than black text on white background?

Only advice I have is to mention that the fix works on ALL sony monitors with a microcontroller, Infact, I've had a sun monitor (GDM20e20) wich was too dim, raised the G2 and all was well.

The max232 can be replaced with cheaper chips, or chips that don't require external capacitors (as was used by other users). This will change pin specific instructions. Some have sold max232 compatibles as max232s, may not also be pin compatible.

Windas even works on some Sony LCD monitors, however, for some of the newer ones, monitor definition files are needed. (they can be created, a howto on this would be spectacular. Xweebie had added monitor definitions to the DOS das, so it has been done.).

I apologize if my own howto has not been answering demand. I know I promised an updated section on building a cable with pictures, I still plan to do it.

I couldn't really find any deals on breadboard.Tape and a butchered serial cable really seems to be the best way for people, but getting just the chip isn't so easy with minimum orders and shipping biases. It turns out that the pre-built cable on Ebay was the best bang for your buck. However, I'm sure that enough shopping around will reveal a cheap do-it-yourself deal that doesn't require soldering.

With monitors on craigslist going for 40$ the fix really has to be as cheap and simple as can be, so far, the majority of traffic to my own howto hasn't looked past the first page. I think that if we can make it plug and play, 15$ including shipping (regardless of location), doubleclick installation (or plain extraction) and clearly advertised from the first page of this thread (number one hit on google for 'monitor too brigh') we would actually turn things around. People would finally stop throwing these things out, and CRT would become a very viable alternative to LCD.

I somtimes wonder if Sony had sabotaged their CRTs to fail just as they started to mass produce LCDs, I doubt it, as they couldn't have planned on reaping all the LCD sales from constumers who had bought a failed Sony product.

Putting the download into one file probably helped a bunch... Looking back at my installation instructions is kind of embarassing. I had all the dlls in a zip on my site, but, I never linked to it. I wasn't brave enough to host the software, as the liscense on the signal generator software was actually present. Sony may be able to stop people from hosting it. Would you mind if I linked directly to your site? I understand if you refuse.

I'd sugest an already patched, clean copy of Windas with all DLLs be apropriately named and versioned, then put into your P2p share folders. Actually, make sure to use a multi-network P2P client (shareaza, mldonkey, etc.) in order to increase exposure. It's important there only be ONE file, if everyone makes one , which may be a little bit different, then people downloading one or the other may never find enough people online to finish the dowload. So for N different versions, we divide the possible number of people serving each version by N. Let's make sure that doesn't happen. If anyone is interested, let's plan it here, finalize it, then we can each verify we have the same MD4 hash when done.

My howto still exists,
http://www.geocities.com/gregua/windas/

So my howto isn't dead, I've just been dealing with school and other stuff.Summer time now. I will probably add sections on color calibration, CIE color, etc. CRT physics is a long way off, because, if I added it, it would be too flaky to be usefull, and probably be misleading. I guess I could atleast sketch how convergence and the aperture grille work, but I don't yet understand the mathematics and electronic implemation of the deflection and convergence circuits. There are also more annoyances on these monitors that take electronics level fixes, a howto that mentions how to understand the Sony service manuals would be invaluable.

Thanks Dorian! Let's see if we can make this fix mainstream!
Ross
Graphic Designer/Games modder
Ross
33 Posts
I got my cable from a guy called Ashley Roll in Australia and delivery was very quick(uk).

http://www.digitalnemesis.com/products/rlc1/

They can make the cable up to your own specs.

config is(from pin 1) GND/5+/RX/TX

This cable worked perfectly with my Dell P1110's with the config above.


I know this thread isnt really about GDM FW900's but i have got one from 2001 and the picture is not sharp anymore. I have adjusted the focus on the flyback and the convergence rings but the picture is still no where near as good as it should be. Have i just got a naff one or do these monitors have a shorter lifespan than others. My mates one is from 2001 and the picture is perfect????

Does anyone know where i can get a new picture tube for this monitor? uk? us? japan? I really love this monitor and it is a shame that it has lost its picture quality.

Cheers Dell sony for the info and again setting up that lifesaving website

Ross
Nixxon
New to the neighborhood
Nixxon
4 Posts
A million thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread... My Dell P991 looks as good as new (well... much better than when I bought it... was used for two years or so...) ... I built the cable using a MAX233 chip - very easy, no external capacitors required... had some problems initially, but everything worked OK after connecting together pins 4,6 and 8 on the DB-9 connector... (I had a wrong diagram showing pins [1,4,6] and [7,8] connected...)
My monitor was excessively bright, retrace lines all over... Had to lower G2 to 88 (from 104)... Also tried 80 and 84, but these values seemed to alter the gamma-curve of my monitor; black was black, white was white but dark shadows looked much too dark. Now I sit with brightness at 30, perfect picture... I also adjusted focus (on the FBT, with a plastic screwdriver).
Here's the corrected schematic for MAX233 cable:
Edit: I'm looking for a service manual / schematic of DELL P991...
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Crowquill
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Crowquill
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I still can't believe all of the problems with these monitors. At the Kinko's I work at we have 2 P1110's, 1 e500, and 3 P1130's. I also own a P1110 ($25 at a thrift store) and a P991 (19" Dell from the same era as the P1110). Every one of these monitors I've used has been way too bright, many with scanlines showing. Out of all of these, my P1110 is actually one of the better ones.

I'm glad to finally find some solutions to possibly fix my 2 models. I'll be sure to post back with results.

Thanks to everyone for their contributions!
holdenkicks
New to the neighborhood
holdenkicks
3 Posts
Hey guys, I have a quick question:

Just bought a 2nd hand g500 and of course it has the over brightness problem. I have now successfully installed windas and got it up and running - now waiting on the cable from ebay to connect it (the $19 US dollar one).

My question is: If I adjust the G2 level down to fix the brightness issue, is there any risk that I could screw up some other aspect of my monitor, like the convergence or cause other possible unwanted side effects? Because at the moment I have none of the problems that others have mentioned like zooming in upon powering up or bad convergence, nor is there a noticably long warm up period. My only problem is the over brightness issue. I just want to know if adjusting the G2 value can cause other problems i.e "unwanted side effects"?

Thanks for your help guys, This thread has been very helpful.
jmqgtj
New to the neighborhood
jmqgtj
3 Posts
Why?I can not visit site :http://www.geocities.com/gregua/windas/
Anyone can tell me how to add a new model monitor into the windas?
sintz
Icrontic Convert
sintz
11 Posts
My question is: If I adjust the G2 level down to fix the brightness issue, is there any risk that I could screw up some other aspect of my monitor, like the convergence or cause other possible unwanted side effects? Because at the moment I have none of the problems that others have mentioned like zooming in upon powering up or bad convergence, nor is there a noticably long warm up period. My only problem is the over brightness issue. I just want to know if adjusting the G2 value can cause other problems i.e "unwanted side effects"?
I performed the setting on mine with nice black levels as a result and the only anomoly I found was that if I turned the brightness up too much, whites turned a redish tint and if I turned the birghtness down too much, the whites became a bluish tint.

So I set the brightness level where I wanted it for true black and then set my color correction on my NVIDIA card to correct the problems with the gamma and color. You can also set the color values on the monitor menu to correct the color gamma after you achieve the black blacks you are looking for.

I didnt dare try to adjust the RGB with WinDas as I have no idea which setting to change to correct and blance the color, and I also dont have a meter for the adjustment so I just compensated via gamma software.
wrench
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wrench
5 Posts
Am I interpreting the schematic for the windas patch cable correctly?

db9(computer)-----chip-----------------monitor
pin 2(rx)----------pin 13
pin 3(tx)--------- pin 14
------------------pin 15----------------- gnd
------------------pin 16----------------- +5v
------------------pin 11------------------tx
------------------pin 12------------------rx

I've got a dell p1110 can you tell me the order on the pins for the programming connector on the monitor from top to bottom(which order are the pins in)

Thanks.
sintz
Icrontic Convert
sintz
11 Posts
I've got a dell p1110 can you tell me the order on the pins for the programming connector on the monitor from top to bottom(which order are the pins in)
Thanks.

Top to bottom as you face the back of the monitor.

GND
VCC (+5)
TXD
RXD .
P991 DELL SONY
P991 tweaker, Sony WinDAS user
P991 DELL SONY
97 Posts
Why?I can not visit site :http://www.geocities.com/gregua/windas/
Anyone can tell me how to add a new model monitor into the windas?
Geocities can be backed up sometimes. And I'm not coming close to going over the upload limit, so it's not something under my controll. Dorian's howto coverns the same topics, so try there too.

Adding a new monitor model is not covered in the howto (yet). There are chasis files and monitor definition files. The difference between those for different montitors may give you an idea of how to make your own files for a new monitor. I have no need to do this myself, so I honestly haven't tried very hard.

It has been done for the DOS DAS by Xweebie. See if he can give you some pointers.

I know this thread isnt really about GDM FW900's but i have got one from 2001 and the picture is not sharp anymore. I have adjusted the focus on the flyback and the convergence rings but the picture is still no where near as good as it should be. Have i just got a naff one or do these monitors have a shorter lifespan than others. My mates one is from 2001 and the picture is perfect????
A high G2 can cause 'blooming' which makes the focus look bad no matter how you adjust the flyback.

The only thing in the tube are the cathodes, the G1 which goes over them(in older designs or in a TV there is a G1 for each cathode), the G2 infront of the G1, then the G3 and maybe a G4 infront of the G2. The flyback adjusts the voltage on the G3/G4 grids. If you need to know for sure, check your service manual and look at the schematics that show the CRT socket, it should label the contacts to stuff inside the tube.

Some tubes are unlucky and have metal flakes in them that can cause shorts between grids, though I'd think that would cause worse problems. The GDM-F5xx series is famous for this, they can be fixed by running a high current through the short to destroy it.

No one seems to talk about their screens phosphors being damaged like with 'screen burn-in' by the excessive brightness. Maybe it can cause problems?

If you really want to replace the picture tube, talk to LAGRUNAUER, he has done this several times and obtained tubes from sereval places.

About service manuals, these are not too hard to find online, eservice.info has lots of them. I don't know if it is legal to host them or not, I'd think so, as I've seen manuals for other electronic items being hosted.Maybe we can collect a bunch of them on rapidshare.de or a simmiliar hosting site. Worst that happens is they get a request to take it down and they handle that stuff for you. The manuals are not terribly usefull, they don't detail register values, they're only really good for schematics.

I've updated the howto with links to the new eBay ttl<>rs232 cable! It is an excellent deal! Thanks to those who brought it to my attention. It's only $16 and shipping doesn't cost more than $4 no matter where you live.Shipping is lower in North America: $3 US, $2.5 Canada. Don't take my word for it, search for your own deals, you may find cheaper. Also reorganized and added info on obtaining the cable from other sources.
[CENTER]http://www.geocities.com/gregua/windas/
Check it out!
Also visit Dorian's new howto. In adition to the windas fix, Dorian explains how the brightness problem can be fixed using the monitors OSD controlls. Use windas only if this fix fails.
http://people.aapt.net.au/~augen/win...monitor%20fix/
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wrench
Getting settled in
wrench
5 Posts
Top to bottom as you face the back of the monitor.

GND
VCC (+5)
TXD
RXD .

Thanks a lot
jmqgtj
New to the neighborhood
jmqgtj
3 Posts
Am I interpreting the schematic for the windas patch cable correctly?

db9(computer)-----chip-----------------monitor
pin 2(rx)----------pin 13
pin 3(tx)--------- pin 14
------------------pin 15----------------- gnd
------------------pin 16----------------- +5v
------------------pin 11------------------tx
------------------pin 12------------------rx

I've got a dell p1110 can you tell me the order on the pins for the programming connector on the monitor from top to bottom(which order are the pins in)

Thanks.
Look here,It is a picture of the ECS connector on the monitor side.
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jasonrw
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jasonrw
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Great thread here I just purchased the data cable mainly for my cousins Sony G400,it has a very washed out picture even with the brightness on 0, I currently have it connected to my GDM-FW900, The black levels are very good but I have the brightness set at 18 ,It does have a washed out picture (grey'ish black levels) during warmup but then its fine after 20-25 minutes. would it be worth it to lower the G2 level or should I wait until I really need to adjust it? The G2 level is currently at 162 which seems high after reading through this thread.

Heres a pic:

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wrench
Getting settled in
wrench
5 Posts
Ok first off I apologise for the newbie mistake of not searching first,the pin out questions I asked were covered several times previously.I do however need some help with the adjustments and I haven't seen this addressed fully yet.I have managed to get windas up and running,got my cable built.I was able to save my original dat file.When I view my dat file in the windas viewer it shows g2 is 201.If I open the dat file in notepad I get a bunch of symbols and no text.I opened it up with edit.com as suggested in another post and the text displays.Where I think the g2 value is displayed shows 200,I changed it to 120,saved and loaded the dat finto the dell p1110.Nothing changed,still shows 201 for g2.What am I doing wrong?Did I change the wrong value?How do you know which value is g2 in the dat file so you can change it? All the sites I saw showed the g2 value in the second column and the the 13th row down.I attached my dat file for the guru's.Thanks everyone.
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wrench
Getting settled in
wrench
5 Posts
Never mind,I got it going thanks to the link posted in Dorians reply.
http://people.aapt.net.au/~augen/win...monitor%20fix/
I must have been changing the wrong value,it was easier to pick out the g2 value using programers notepad.Original g2 was 201(brightness 0,contrast full up).New values g2 130 brightness 56,contrast 57.Wow what a difference.My neighbor bought this refurbished monitor from compusa auctions to put in an arcade cabinet I'm building for him.So much for the refurbishment process,looks fantastic now.Thanks everyone for all the tips.
Traxx
New to the neighborhood
Traxx
3 Posts
Amazing thread! My only question is that I ordered the adaptor from here and I can't get it to connect. Supposedly you have to change the layout for it to connect, but what do I change it to and how? I'm using an FW900. Thanks!
sintz
Icrontic Convert
sintz
11 Posts
Amazing thread! My only question is that I ordered the adaptor from here and I can't get it to connect. Supposedly you have to change the layout for it to connect, but what do I change it to and how? I'm using an FW900. Thanks!
Your current pins on the monitor side are of the connector is;


Signals on the 4-pin Connector

Green - GND
Yellow - RX (data from the PC)
Orange - TX (data to the PC)
Red - +5V


You need to change/reorder the pins to match the connection on your monitor. I don't know the pin layout for your monitor but perhaps if you searched this thread for your model number someone may have posted it.
wrench
Getting settled in
wrench
5 Posts
Amazing thread! My only question is that I ordered the adaptor from here and I can't get it to connect. Supposedly you have to change the layout for it to connect, but what do I change it to and how? I'm using an FW900. Thanks!
The pins on my dell p1100 where you hook the cable to were marked right on the board next to the pins
Traxx
New to the neighborhood
Traxx
3 Posts
The pins on my dell p1100 where you hook the cable to were marked right on the board next to the pins
Thanks! I stuck a shiny butterknife in there and read off the layout from the board itself.

FW900 Owners - Here is the correct pin layout!

GND
+5
RX
TX
Ross
Graphic Designer/Games modder
Ross
33 Posts
Hi jason,
162 is a little high. I use a Nokia monitor test to get my brightness at just the right level. On my fw900 i set the g2 to around 125 so that the brightness is great at 50 on the osd.This means i have plenty of brightness or darkness to play with but every monitor ages slightly differently(depending on its usage)but i still think 162 is pretty high which would xplain why brightness is set low at 18. Save your current setting to disk then I would lower the G2 by 5 save(as a new file to keep your original settings separate) until your blacks are sorted at around 40-50 setting.

Hope that helps.
Traxx
New to the neighborhood
Traxx
3 Posts
Anyone have a quick and dirty guide for geometry adjustment and convergence? The two don't appear to be related (at least not in a visually noticeable sense), so their adjustments are independent of eachother.

My problem is where to start- I mean, you have a hundred different options to adjust- pincushion, keystoning, and then the very fun vertical spacing settings. All of them are indeed dependent on eachother, and its taken me hours of back and forth changes to get anything close to reasonable.

I realize the geometric adjustments will never be 100% perfect for a variety of reasons, but I want to get as close as possible. It seems like I should be able to go in some kind of order to make this easier. What should I adjust first? What order should I go in? Is there any kind of test pattern that would make this easier? Any help would be appreciated
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