lol if u read my thread about ie windows crashing to the desktop i figureed out it was because of the JVM i had installed and i uninstalled it, updated to sp1 to get Microsoft VM and spent like 2 hours updating and stuff, then about another 1 1/2 hours looking for a place to download MVM when i finnaly found it and installed, restared and tested it out i came to look in the forums and in this thread are links to the file it took me 3 hours for find lol ah well