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Lincoln
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A Wii Experience (SM article)

Check out Papa Prime's experience with the Nintendo Wii and how Toys R Us screwed him over.
The kids never went to school and talked about the 360, or the Gamecube, or any other system. They never ran in from school and ran straight to a console before, but the Wii has changed all that. They can't wait to get home from school and play it.
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That was a fun, honest article. I don't game, but the article brought back a lot of memories of fun gaming I had with my kids years back with the Nintendo NES and Nintendo 64 systems. I won't be buying the Wii, but it sounds like Nintendo has accomplished exactly what they set out to do with their new console.
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The reason the wire for the sensor bar is so thin/cheap is that all it is doing is powering the IR leds in the bar. No information gets sent back to the console from the "sensor" bar.

My eldest son won an Xbox 360 in a random drawing
Sure. "Random".
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I remember reading some time back that Nintendo was aiming at the female market and non-gamers. Their spin on it was the Wii would have so much appeal, everybody will want to play it and will ENJOY it, whether you a gamer or not.
That seems to ring very true in Prime's household.
Great article Brian!!
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Bundling is illegal. Best Buy lost millions in lawsuits on the 360 launch.
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Great read. I don't console game, (not since my Adam computer and Colecovision days) ,but this thing sounds intrigueing.
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Pappa Prime! great article, The Wii does look like tons of fun and from what I have played I enjoy it, but I have found Guitar Hero 1 & 2 to fill my needs of a crazy controller The day the Wii was launched I finally purchased at PS2 as my Wal-Mart was having a $50 off sale, which gave me a brand new PS2 slim for $79.00 out the door. I am still not sold on the Wii as I have found myself being a snobbish console gamer and want the High Def graphics and great content rather than just great content. What do you expect I am a PC Gamer

Note: I know the PS2 isn't a High Def console, but the purchase was for a DVD player / console for in the bedroom.
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primesuspect
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Bundling is illegal. Best Buy lost millions in lawsuits on the 360 launch.
That's what I thought - ESPECIALLY when you consider that they told me the units were in stock - which they really were. However, once they had me in the door they wouldn't let me walk out with just a Wii...
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I found out via the manual that you have to do a one time "sync" with the console so that the console owns that particular remote. The bundled remote is factory-synchronized, but any additional remotes must be manually synced.
The wireless controllers on the 360 work the EXACT same way. And he has a core system, so it didn't come with any pre-synced
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I do have wireless controllers for the 360. I also have Wavebird controllers for the cube. The point is not that it was hard for me to sync. The point is that a lot of completely non-tech people will be buying this for their little ones this holiday season and I can see them having trouble with this aspect of things - I never said it was difficult, I said it was not intuitive.
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I had a similar experience with Toys-R-Us. My brother was number three in line getting the last of the 60Gig PS3 preorders and I was number one in line getting the first Wii Preorder. He ended up with a 20Gig PS3 and I ended up with nothing. I went in on the 20th to pick mine up and they told me they had sold it even though I had until the close of the 20th. I complained to corporate several times and now they are shipping a Wii to my store by Friday and my brother is the first on the list for the 60Gig when it comes in.
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This reeks of class action. That's all I have to say. People made big money off of retailers when they tried to do the same thing on the XBOX360 launch, there's no reason why PS3/Wii should be any different.
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That's what I thought - ESPECIALLY when you consider that they told me the units were in stock - which they really were. However, once they had me in the door they wouldn't let me walk out with just a Wii...
Who wouldn't? Toys r Us or the kids?
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Congrats Prime! This article made it to the front page of Digg!
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Well, after reading this article, I think I've decided on the Wii as my first choice in the next-gen console arena.
My eldest son won an Xbox 360 in a random drawing
Sure. "Random".
Hey, it happens. My sister came home one day from school screaming at the top of her lungs saying "I won a PS2 from Lunchables!". And sure enough she did. It actually came with a couple games too.
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Hey, it happens. My sister came home one day from school screaming at the top of her lungs saying "I won a PS2 from Lunchables!". And sure enough she did. It actually came with a couple games too.
Welcome to Short-Media! shwaip was referencing a bit of an inside joke. At the site's annual LAN party at primesuspect's house in Michigan, the 360 was a giveaway from our site. His two kids were in the drawing, being participants at the party, and the drawing resulted in one kid getting the 360 and the other getting a really sweet speaker set. We were all pretty damn jealous, haha
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Welcome to Short-Media! shwaip was referencing a bit of an inside joke. At the site's annual LAN party at primesuspect's house in Michigan, the 360 was a giveaway from our site. His two kids were in the drawing, being participants at the party, and the drawing resulted in one kid getting the 360 and the other getting a really sweet speaker set. We were all pretty damn jealous, haha
Don't forget that it was prime himself that was picking the winners.

(I don't have any real doubts about how random the drawing was).
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I call foul!
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(another inside joke, but it's usually true )
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you can make it up by giving me a 360
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About the drawing...

I hope I'm not divulging any secret information here, but I guess that's why the Admins have the post deletion powers.

The Xbox 360 was originally purchased as a promotion for the site. After a while the project was abandoned; there was just no easy way to make it work. At that point, the owners of the site (of which prime is one, for those who may not know) could have sold it off and stuck the money back in their pockets. I don't know who made the decision, but it was eventually decided that it would be a prize at SM LAN 2006.

Basically, prime could have just given it to his kids and no one would have ever been aware of where it came from. As it was, they had the same 1-in-40 chance that the rest of us did. Had I won it I would have given it to my daughter, who would probably still be pestering me to buy her games for it. I'm glad it went to someone who would really enjoy it.

Now as for the speakers, I could have used those!
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Very good article Brian, I really want a wii now!
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A follow up:

The Wii is getting so much airtime in my house, it's crazy. People have been coming over and visiting just to play. Kids, adults, in-laws, everybody. Everybody who plays it, leaves the house talking about it. I think Nintendo should start giving me a commission, because I know that at least three Wiis are getting purchased just based on the playtests at my house.
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Great article I was wondering when consoles were going to go back to being pure fun again!
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I was wondering when consoles were going to go back to being pure fun again!
From what I'm reading different places around the 'net, Wii is doing very, very well. Pure "fun" is exactly what Nintendo wanted the Wii to be. They wanted to get back to their NES roots. Looks like they succeeded.
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My credit card is about to get bigger... damn you prime!!!! HAHA I was wanting one before, but not so bad as to wait in a line for one, but now I wish I did. :P
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Dammit I don't want to be at work right now! I want to go home and play Zelda! I beat the first dungeon last night and now that I've got the controls mastered, I am fiending for more.

Did anyone see the Super Smash Brothers Brawl trailers?

SOLID SNAKE is in the game! SOLID SNAKE!!

As another followup note to my Wii experience:

Splitting the controller into two pieces is an incredible idea. You can sit with your arms to either side of you (looking unbelievably lazy in the process), which is WAY more comfortable than sitting there with your hands together holding a little controller.
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...SOLID SNAKE is in the game! SOLID SNAKE!!
The last time I asked a question like this I learned more about certain behaviors than I really cared to know, but what in Sam Hill is a "SOLID SNAKE"?
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Dammit I don't want to be at work right now! I want to go home and play Zelda! I beat the first dungeon last night and now that I've got the controls mastered, I am fiending for more.
Nice! I'm int the water temple and loving the game. Although, I have always hated the water temple the most in the Zelda games. I always get so lost.
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Thanks.

I am relieved to hear that there is no connection between SOLID SNAKE and the notorious trousertrout.
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The last time I asked a question like this I learned more about certain behaviors than I really cared to know, but what in Sam Hill is a "SOLID SNAKE"?
pfft... seniors.
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I only wish I could find a Wii somewhere, they are still selling out before stores even open whenever anyone gets a shipment.

On a related note, Gamestop's bundle is much worse than ToysRus.
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Nice! I'm int the water temple and loving the game. Although, I have always hated the water temple the most in the Zelda games. I always get so lost.
The water temple in Twilight Princess is ALOT easier then Ocarina Of Time was from what I remember.
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I talked to Random Target Dude yesterday and he said Target was getting a huge shipment of Wiis today (Sunday the 3rd of December). Might want to check into it, CB.
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Most major electronics stores are.
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The water temple in Twilight Princess is ALOT easier then Ocarina Of Time was from what I remember.
Yeah, I finished it last night. The game so far has been far easier than Ocarina of time, in my opinion. I can't figure out if it's because I know what to look for in Zelda games now, or if the game is just easier. I still enjoy playing though.
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Yeah, I finished it last night. The game so far has been far easier than Ocarina of time, in my opinion. I can't figure out if it's because I know what to look for in Zelda games now, or if the game is just easier. I still enjoy playing though.
From what I heard after the water temple it gets alittle harder, but I haven't noticed it being that much harder. But it's still just as much fun as any other Zelda title.
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I talked to Random Target Dude yesterday and he said Target was getting a huge shipment of Wiis today (Sunday the 3rd of December). Might want to check into it, CB.

Yea, I posted after getting back from Target. There I learned that they, and all other stores in the area were sold out long before open... again. I asked the guy when he thought that stores might be able to keep them on the shelves past open. He laughed and told me not to expect such a thing until mid-January.

I bought Final Fantasy XII to keep me occupied until then.
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Wow... Despite my distaste for the Toys R Us fiasco, I guess I'm glad I was able to get one there. Their "bundle" kept at least a couple of Wiis in stock. I suppose I should look on the bright side
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"This is 2006, Nintendo. Plug and Play - look it up!"

Exactly, Plug and Play. But Wiimotes are wireless and use Bluetooth. Therefore the Console needs to discover them before use. The included one can be prediscovered of course though. If anyone would like a longer explanation as to why this is the case, let me know. For now i'll spare you the technical mumbo jumbo.

Edit: I've just clocked that this is a tech site. I'm surprised nobody mentioned this so far...
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I wanna hear the technical mumbo jumbo
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"This is 2006, Nintendo. Plug and Play - look it up!"

Exactly, Plug and Play. But Wiimotes are wireless and use Bluetooth. Therefore the Console needs to discover them before use. The included one can be prediscovered of course though. If anyone would like a longer explanation as to why this is the case, let me know. For now i'll spare you the technical mumbo jumbo.

Edit: I've just clocked that this is a tech site. I'm surprised nobody mentioned this so far...
what are you trying to say here?
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I don't know what his point about the plug and play part is, but:

Bluetooth devices have an hard-coded id that uniquely (hopefully) identifies each device. It is necessary to pair devices so that your Wii doesn't try to take input from or talk to every single BT device it sees. There is no guarantee that a Wii could tell "oh, this is a wiimote" from the id number either...or maybe you live in an apartment that allows RF to pass fairly easily. You wouldn't want your wiimote to control your neighbor's wii, or vice versa. So, think of pairing the device as plugging it in (once), and then you're good to go.

It's not unreasonable to expect the consumer to do this.

edit:

a quick search indicates that there are 2^68 (~3x10^20) unique bluetooth IDs. (This is just one source, so I'm not exactly sure about that #).
bdonegan
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I wanna hear the technical mumbo jumbo
Okay, here goes... (Note: previous poster was nearly there, but not quite)

Since Bluetooth is a wireless medium, all devices that use it must share the same medium (the air), unlike wired devices which have their own personal medium (for the most part). It uses a system called frequency hopping spread spectrum or FHSS, simpy a method by which the Bluetooth device can differentiate between all the different Bluetooth devices. Different devices will communicate on different frequencies at different times. In order to know what these times and frequencies are, they must be told by the 'master' i.e. the Wii. Thus the need for a sync for new controllers, but not for the packaged controller. I would be very surprised if the 360 didn't also need something similar, I don't know what it uses though.

The number of addresses is actually much smaller than suggested by the previous poster (only 8!). One of these is the Wii (master) and the others are for Controllers. So technically you could have up to 7 controllers on the Wii, but i'm not sure if Nintendo are supporting that (I don't see why not, it would be extra effort to stop people from using 7).

Using an unsynched Wiimote won't affect others Wii's though, your Wii just won't be able to see it. To wrap up, the 'address' referred to by the previous poster is likely the Service ID, which tells other Bluetooth devices what kind of service the Bluetooth device is offering. In this case, all Wii controllers will have a unique ID saying 'Hey everybody, I'm a Wiimote!'. Wii's will likely ignore devices with other service IDs, but nothing can be done too stop other masters finding Wiimotes and receiving data from them...*

*For anyone who's interested, google 'Wiimote mouse' and check out the Youtube video (sorry I can't link yet...)
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bdonegan, you're a little off on your thinking. shwaip is correct.

FHSS is the method by which communication occurs with Bluetooth devices. It rapidly hops around different carrier channels within the specified frequency range. The order is known to both the receiver and transmitter.

Also, shwaip was talking about the unique id assigned to every Bluetooth device, not any sort of "address." The Wii and remote must be paired initially. The syncing procedure is analogous to plugging in a USB cable. That's where the plug and play part comes in.
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bdonegan, you're a little off on your thinking. shwaip is correct.

FHSS is the method by which communication occurs with Bluetooth devices. It rapidly hops around different carrier channels within the specified frequency range. The order is known to both the receiver and transmitter.

Also, shwaip was talking about the unique id assigned to every Bluetooth device, not any sort of "address." The Wii and remote must be paired initially. The syncing procedure is analogous to plugging in a USB cable. That's where the plug and play part comes in.
I don't see much difference between what I said and that. If it sounds different it's because i was trying to simplify it. The unique ID *is* an 'address', the devices Bluetooth address (48-bits) it's only important during device discovery (synching) though, and is not used during regular communications, where the 3-bit piconet (the mini-network of controllers) address is used instead. As for the plug and play thing, you wouldn't expect a regular controller to work with the cable disconnected, so why should the Wiimote work without synching first? Effectively the synching represents the process of plugging.

My Msc is in Mobile Networking and Computing, so I can keep going if anyone wishes.
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Maybe I misunderstood. It sounded like you said FHSS is what is used to tell the difference between devices.

Ah, well. I'm still kind of confused, though. Are you complaining about the syncing or trying to explain it?
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If anyone finds them in stock give me a little ringy dingy on the PM phone... McBain just bought a new TV and now I need to man up and buy the Wii....

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