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Flintstone
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Flintstone
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9 Jun 2003, 12:48am

Hard Disk Benches

Hey guys and gals, why not post some Atto's or Sandra benchmarks for the different hard disk subsystems out there. Describe the controller used, the OS, the hdd's, cache on the drives, and the system it's in etc.. We could come up with a real world comparison of what's available to the masses and keep track of the latest and greatest. Thoughts and or comments anyone?

Thanks,
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Tex
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4,130 Posts
9 Jun 2003, 1:03am
6 disks. All Atlas 10k III's and an LSI Elite 1600 with 128mb cache in a 64bit slot. This was XP and ntfs with everything including indexing enabled and no tweaks

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9 Jun 2003, 1:14am
Single ATA100 Western Digital 80GB 8MB SE

ATTO - 50,000 (give or take 100 either way) Hit it around 16, 32.

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Flintstone
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9 Jun 2003, 1:19am
3xX15-18 Gig U160 Cheetahs w/4Meg caches in raid 0 on an LSI Mega Raid Elite 1600 with 128 Meg cahce memory in a 64bit/66Mhz slot on an MSI K7DMaster-L with 2XXP1700' modded to MP's @1800+ speeds.
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Tex
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9 Jun 2003, 1:25am
Turn off the cache and use direct IO and the atto's improve. You will hit about 140,000 on reads and writes that way !

Love ya Man !

tex
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Flintstone
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9 Jun 2003, 1:25am
I'm getting a total of 3 - 8 Meg chache Cheetahs in a few days and I'll post those Atto's then. They should do better than the others. I'll tweak the latency then also and see what it brings!!

Anyone got a functioning SATA Raid arry going?

Flint
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EMT
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9 Jun 2003, 4:52am
Well I benched my array after reading this thread and... well, see for yourself.

2x WD 1200JB @ RAID-0 (HP374, KD7-RAID) [edit-16k/16k]
Windows 2000
Cacheman and Powerstrip were not running for this test but normally are... but this much slower than original (I could pull up a pic of that too). Folding was running.


Would 3+ months without defragging cause this?
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Tex
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9 Jun 2003, 1:43pm
Folding might do it but a single drive like yours should hit 50,000 near the rim and in raid they should 90 to 100,00 on the outside but maybe only 60 to 65,000 at the very end of the disk.

Is the disk real full?

Tex
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primesuspect
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9 Jun 2003, 4:19pm
Flint: I installed a functioning SATA RAID in a customer's computer, using WD Raptor 10K SATA drives on the Promise 376 SATA RAID chipset.

No pics, but Attos were 78K in RAID 0 with no tweaks on XP. Barton 2500.
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Flintstone
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9 Jun 2003, 4:47pm
Cool! Anyone else? I want to see if it has any performance advantages vs. pata at this time or if waiting for the second generation would be the thing to do. Prime, based on those numbers, it's neck and neck with pata right now but who knows what a little tweaking might have done.
Also, it seems to me that a properly tuned pata raid 0 with 7200 rpm drives can match it.
So it seems that it's more money than it's worth atm.

Anyone?

Flint
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Tex
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9 Jun 2003, 4:55pm
Originally posted by primesuspect
Flint: I installed a functioning SATA RAID in a customer's computer, using WD Raptor 10K SATA drives on the Promise 376 SATA RAID chipset.

No pics, but Attos were 78K in RAID 0 with no tweaks on XP. Barton 2500.
Was it a problem with the promise you think? I thought the individual drives hit 55,000+ ?

My old Maxtor 740's hit 85,000 in raid-0 and teh WD's can hit above 95,000.

Here is an ATTO of a pair of WD's hung off the HPTR sata controller using converters even. This was tweaked with teh pci latency mods as I wrote in my guide. These were from mtngoats nforce rig btw...

Tex
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JPP
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9 Jun 2003, 6:58pm
KD7 Raid. Raid 0 mode 2 x 60Gb IBM 120GXP
ATTO write / read score 80700 MB/s to 93600 MB/s
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EMT
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9 Jun 2003, 11:58pm
Originally posted by Tex
Folding might do it but a single drive like yours should hit 50,000 near the rim and in raid they should 90 to 100,00 on the outside but maybe only 60 to 65,000 at the very end of the disk.

Is the disk real full?

Tex
33GB free out of capacity 223GB, feels like it's getting full... I think I'll defrag this week and try ATTO again. But can fragmentation do this or is it merely because it's getting full? Scores were definitely above 80 before.
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Tex
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10 Jun 2003, 1:08am
More because of full but if the remaining is really fragged then it can effect it.

Sandra uses a huge test file so its really a true picture in some ways of what the real performace is. ATTO is only 33 mb so it can hit non-fragged pieces pretty easy.

Tex
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danball1976
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10 Jun 2003, 3:12am
Lets see, these are fairly old, so
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tUx
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10 Jun 2003, 7:33am
If I'm running on a single drive, what should I set for the Total Length value?
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Tex
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10 Jun 2003, 8:03am
Same thing. 32mb
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Keelhaul
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10 Jun 2003, 4:29pm
"BOOTY" machine (see below)
160GB Maxtor DM9+ with 8MB cache,
80GB NTFS partition on WinXP SP1a.
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EQuito
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11 Jun 2003, 7:45am
FAT32, more specs below...
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Tex
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11 Jun 2003, 8:03am
EQ have you messed with the pci latency at all ? It appears teh latency for the sata controller needs bumped up maybe?

Tex
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EQuito
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11 Jun 2003, 8:07am
No, I haven't done any tweaks. I'm not into OC'ing or benchmarking as much as I used to...
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Tex
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11 Jun 2003, 2:30pm
It would take ya 5 minutes if you want to mess with it. Should boost the writes way up.

Tex
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EQuito
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11 Jun 2003, 8:31pm
Are you familiar with this board and the SATA corruption issue?
Abit had to release a bios with the option to increase latency to avoid data corruption on dives attached to the SATA ports and/or using RAID0.
Originally, was set to 30us but it had to be raised to 38us or even 1ms in order to avoid corruption.
So until NVidia, SiliconImage and Abit fix the issue I'm afraid threre is no much we can do. Decreasing latency will cause corruption but if you have a suggestion I'm all ears...
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Enisada
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11 Jun 2003, 9:02pm
I'll post my ATTO's results when I get home. Running 10K Raptors RAID 0 on nforce 2 SATA. TIll then.....

Enisada
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Matt
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Matt
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11 Jun 2003, 9:07pm
Im thinking about getting SATA or SCSI dont know witch one, are how much it's going to be, or should I stick with my ATA66 12g hard drive?
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Enisada
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12 Jun 2003, 12:08am
Here are my SATA Raptors on a nforce 2 Sil 3112 Controllor. ANy advice to make it faster would be appreciated....
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Enisada
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12 Jun 2003, 12:14am
Here are my PATA WD 1200JB on a HPT374 Controllor. Any advice to make it faster would be appreciated....
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Tex
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12 Jun 2003, 12:21am
How was it striped and formated? It should do more like this ..

This is two WD SE's using converters on a HPT sata raid card on a nforce2.

Tex
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Tex
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12 Jun 2003, 12:22am
Oops.. First thing run the test again and change the total length to 32mb

Tex
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Enisada
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12 Jun 2003, 12:27am
Yes going to test right now, I just noticed that....
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Enisada
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12 Jun 2003, 12:34am
Here is the new test format is NTFS everything default. Let me know what I should change. These are PATA...
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Tex
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12 Jun 2003, 12:46am
Thats tons better ! Now check the pci latency of the controller and see if doubling it helps.

Tex
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Enisada
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12 Jun 2003, 1:00am
Here are my SATA scores everything default again....
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Enverex
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12 Jun 2003, 1:11am
System - http://atomnet.co.uk?p=Systems#RedDwarf

Used to bench alot higher (50000/50000) when empty.

NS
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Enisada
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12 Jun 2003, 1:24am
May sound like a noobish question but where to I go to check the pci latency of the controller???
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EMT
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12 Jun 2003, 2:11am
Use PowerStrip, the program more commonly known for overclocking any video card. Right click the system tray icon, Options menu -> Adapter information...

You can cycle through all the devices with the up and down arrows to the right of the device name. The key is the latency. You can change it by unticking "Read only" and raising or lowering as desired. For me, higher latency on the RAID controller means faster writes.
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Flintstone
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12 Jun 2003, 3:36am
Now we're getting somewhere! An Atto that shows an SATA Raid setup outperforming a PATA setup. That is just what I was looking for. Apparently there is some reason to migrate.

Let's see some more if you've got them!

Flint
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EQuito
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12 Jun 2003, 3:49am
Originally posted by Flintstone
Now we're getting somewhere! An Atto that shows an SATA Raid setup outperforming a PATA setup.
Flint, look closely, those are Raptors (native SATA/10k rpm) we're talking about...
SATA is no much faster than PATA if using regular IDE drives as demostrated by previous benchmarks.
Only when using highly tweaked WD SE's as shown by Tex you can really tell the difference.

Now, Raptors are a whole new ball game and to be honest, Enisada should be able to get much higher scores out of those than 90+k
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Tex
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12 Jun 2003, 4:00am
Originally posted by Enisada
May sound like a noobish question but where to I go to check the pci latency of the controller???
All you ever wanted to know about pci latency tweaking with powerstrip.

Good Luck !

Tex

http://www.digitalferret.com/section...owcontent&id=3
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Enisada
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12 Jun 2003, 4:29am
Originally posted by EQuito
Flint, look closely, those are Raptors (native SATA/10k rpm) we're talking about...
SATA is no much faster than PATA if using regular IDE drives as demostrated by previous benchmarks.
Only when using highly tweaked WD SE's as shown by Tex you can really tell the difference.

Now, Raptors are a whole new ball game and to be honest, Enisada should be able to get much higher scores out of those than 90+k
How do I go about getting these higher scores...PCI Latency Tweaking???

Enisada
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EQuito
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EQuito
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12 Jun 2003, 4:33am
Originally posted by Enisada
How do I go about getting these higher scores...PCI Latency Tweaking???
Don't ask me dude, ask the master from Texas...
I'm just along for the ride with my poor old IBM's...

No seriously, I've been out of the loop for too long but Tex will fix you up real good.
I've seen Raptors hit over 100k.
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Enisada
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12 Jun 2003, 4:57am
I keep playing with it until Tex get back to this thread....


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EQuito
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12 Jun 2003, 5:28am
Check it out:
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Enisada
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12 Jun 2003, 5:43am
What kind of setup are you using???
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Enisada
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12 Jun 2003, 5:45am
Here is the best I get with my WD setup....
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Enisada
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12 Jun 2003, 5:47am
Here is the best I get with my SATA WD Raptor setup....
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EQuito
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12 Jun 2003, 5:48am
Originally posted by Enisada
What kind of setup are you using???
No, that ain't mine. I told you I've seen Raptors hit over 100k and that's the proof but this isn't it, I just can find the other ones...

thesaucier

NF7-s 1.2 with 2700+ @ 11.5 X 220
corsiar3500 XMS dual@ 6222 on dual
OC Systems level III 9700 pro @420/730
two WD raptor serial drives raid 0

http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread...threadid=13433
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Hatop
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Hatop
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12 Jun 2003, 7:34am
single IBM 15k rpm 18.4 gig drive (model 3z15 or something)




i think something is off. This is from a brandnew install of XP Pro, FAT32, with almost no disk usage.
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Enverex
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12 Jun 2003, 9:40am
Erm......... note to everyone, save these images as GIF files, they will be about <10k as opposed to 50-60k. Just looking out for the people on Modems.

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Hatop
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12 Jun 2003, 11:40am
it came out 40k larger for me...maybe xp gif encoding wrong or something.but alright, ill change it.
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