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20 Jun 2003, 4:23am

The Digital Camera example thread

I figured this might be of some help to potential digital camera buyers. I know that when I was shopping around for one, I would have loved to see a site showing real samples taken from the actual cameras that I was looking at.

So, post a picture or two that you feel is representative of the camera, the make and model of the camera, and any other relevant information (i.e. megapixels, approximate retail cost, etc.)
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20 Jun 2003, 4:39am
I'll start.

This was taken with a Minolta Dimage 7Hi. This is a 5 megapixel SLR-like camera (not true SLR) that retails around $1100 US.

This is a raw grab, I did no color correction. It was taken on macro setting with manual focus on a cloudy day, using ISO100 and no flash. The only image processing was to reduce to 500 pixels wide and some jpg compression.
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20 Jun 2003, 4:45am
These two were taken with a Kodak EasyShare LS443. It is a 4 megapixel camera that retails for around $400. I am quite happy with this camera, because I got it on sale for $300 and it came with a 64mb SecureDigital card. It also has 16mb of internal memory. The only gripe I have with this camera is that it has a tendency to go blue on just about everything using all automatic settings. You have to play around with it to get the macro setting to work right, and the lighting needs to be quite bright. On flesh tones especially, it washes people out a bit and I find that I must go into photoshop and tilt the blue down a bit on almost every picture that has a person in it. Also, the autofocus is worth nothing on the closeup mode.

The flower picture was color corrected a bit, I bumped up the red channel for effect mostly, but not much. I was quite surprised at the quality of the picture for a relatively low cost camera. It was taken on all automatic settings on a sunny day.
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20 Jun 2003, 4:46am
The Kodak again:

The picture of my kids was color corrected to compensate for the blue shift. I bumped up the yellow midtones and the red highlights to bring the lifelike color back. Otherwise, I'm happy with the shot.
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20 Jun 2003, 7:27am
Canon A60
2.0MP
3X optical, 2.5 digital zoom w/ macro feature
Takes B&W, Sepia, neutral and vivid colour
Low light autofocus feature
$399.99CDN or $226.00USD

It is a point-and-shoot camera that allows manual control of shutter speeds, aperature, and focus. It has a few pre-programmed modes. For its price range, it has many features, and a excellent camera to boot. I would have paid more for another brand with similar features. I would have gone with a Nikon 2100 but there weren't available at the time I bought the A60. So far, I have no problems with the camera. Don't use alkalines. They don't last, go with NiMH.

All the pictures are uncorrected, in jpeg.
File info
File Name
108_0876.JPG
Camera Model Name
Canon PowerShot A60
Shooting Date/Time
28/05/2003 3:28:00 PM
Shooting Mode
Program AE
Photo Effect Mode
Off
Tv( Shutter Speed )
1/1000
Av( Aperture Value )
7.1
Metering Mode
Evaluative
Exposure Compensation
0
ISO Speed
100
Lens
5.4 - 16.2mm
Focal Length
5.4mm
Digital Zoom
None
Image Size
1600x1200
Image Quality
Superfine
Flash
Off
White Balance
Daylight
AF Mode
Single AF
AF Range Mode
Macro
File Size
787KB
Drive Mode
Single-frame shooting
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20 Jun 2003, 7:29am
It was school spirit week and it was gender bender day. And no, I did not participate in it.


File Name
102_0216.JPG
Camera Model Name
Canon PowerShot A60
Shooting Date/Time
08/04/2003 9:05:08 AM
Shooting Mode
Program AE
Photo Effect Mode
Off
Tv( Shutter Speed )
1/60
Av( Aperture Value )
2.8
Metering Mode
Evaluative
Exposure Compensation
0
ISO Speed
100
Lens
5.4 - 16.2mm
Focal Length
5.4mm
Digital Zoom
None
Image Size
1600x1200
Image Quality
Superfine
Flash
On
Flash Type
Built-In Flash
Flash Exposure Compensation
0
Red-eye Reduction
Off
Shutter curtain sync
1st-curtain sync
White Balance
Auto
AF Mode
Single AF
File Size
757KB
Drive Mode
Single-frame shooting
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20 Jun 2003, 7:33am
A long exposure night shot from inside the house through my bedroom window on a mini-tripod.


File Name
100_0046.JPG
Camera Model Name
Canon PowerShot A60
Shooting Date/Time
24/03/2003 9:06:55 PM
Shooting Mode
Manual
Photo Effect Mode
Off
Tv( Shutter Speed )
15
Av( Aperture Value )
2.8
Metering Mode
Center-weighted averaging
ISO Speed
100
Lens
5.4 - 16.2mm
Focal Length
5.4mm
Digital Zoom
None
Image Size
1600x1200
Image Quality
Superfine
Flash
Off
White Balance
Auto
AF Mode
Single AF
File Size
1011KB
Drive Mode
Self-Timer Operation
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20 Jun 2003, 7:45am
Canon A40

It is a friend's camera and it is the predecessor to the A60.


File Name
phil lee 1_001.jpg
Camera Model Name
Canon PowerShot A40
Shooting Date/Time
26/09/2002 2:54:19 AM
Shooting Mode
Auto
Photo Effect Mode
Off
Tv( Shutter Speed )
1/60
Av( Aperture Value )
2.8
Metering Mode
Evaluative
Exposure Compensation
0
ISO Speed
Auto
Lens
5.4 - 16.2mm
Focal Length
5.4mm
Digital Zoom
None
Image Size
1600x1200
Image Quality
Superfine
Flash
On
Flash Type
Built-In Flash
Flash Exposure Compensation
0
Red-eye Reduction
On
Shutter curtain sync
1st-curtain sync
White Balance
Auto
AF Mode
Single AF
Active AF Points
[ Left ]
File Size
604KB
Drive Mode
Single-frame shooting
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20 Jun 2003, 11:25pm
This was taken with my Kodak LS443. I have no blue shift that I have noticed. I have never had to alter the pictures in any way. This is one of my Grandkids, Taken on auto, Just pointed and clicked.
Primesuspect, If you have to alter your pics as you describe I think you possibly were using a faulty model. I bought mine after reading a review in PC Advisor, It came top in the intermediate camera tests, Just below the profesional models. I am very happy with it

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20 Jun 2003, 11:32pm
I think I read somewhere that non digital cameras have a pixel count of somewhere around 20megapixels and the best digital camera is currentlly around 5megapixels. Is this right? Can you actually tell the difference between 20 and 5 megapixels visually? I personally think that digital cameras are great and it's great to see this thread here to help out those interested in digital cameras.
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21 Jun 2003, 12:06am

Smile Nice Shots

On the news yesterday I heard them mention that last year was the first time that digital cameras outsold traditional film cameras.

Now that the digital side is the dominant market growth-wise, I think they'll get much better even faster. The only reason I still use my 35mm camera is for action shots. There seems to be a slight delay between when you press the shutter and when the capture occurs in a digital camera.

Nice pictures - I was especially impressed by the macro shots of the flowers.


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21 Jun 2003, 12:26am
This is a fantastic thread and by giving it time to grow, this will be a great library of knowledge in Digital Cameras. I am very happy to see such great interest, im a hobby photographer myself with SLR equipment.

Bad Karma,

A photo from a 35mm SLR is equalivent to around 6 true megapixels.

Canon just released an impressive camera that im just dying to get. A bit overkill, but WHAT A TOY!!

EOS-1DS with 11.1 effective megapixels. Writes images in both RAW and JPG at the same time. Costs a lot though. Dang!
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21 Jun 2003, 12:31am
Bothered:

You may not think so, but that picture has a significant blue shift. Look at the baby's shirt and the white lettering on the hat. It's slightly blue-tinged. This is exactly what I was talking about. I'll post a colour-corrected version of that picture to give you a comparison.
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21 Jun 2003, 5:48am
Here's mine,
the Hewlett Packard Photosmart 850
Get brilliant photos near and far with the HP Photosmart 850 digital camera. With 56x total zoom and 4.13 MP resolution you will get outstanding close-ups and beautiful quality prints up to 20x30-inches. Use HP Instant Share to select on your camera where photos will go - including e-mail addresses and printers. Choose the automatic mode or manual controls to select camera settings for ISO exposure, white balance and more. Capture moments in sound and motion using the video clip audio feature!

• 56x total zoom (8x optical 7x digital) 4.13 MP total resolution
• HP Instant Share lets you select on your camera where your photos will go the next time you connect to your PC with up to 14 destinations
• automatic or manual controls for ISO, exposure, white balance and more.
• electronic viewfinder for enhanced framing of your photos
• record memories using the video clip and audio feature
• audio capture with still photos
• download, print, e-mail or display your digital photos on your TV in one easy step using the optional HP photosmart 8881 digital camera dock, purchase separately
• in-camera battery charging using optional HP digital camera dock (not included, purchase separately)
• easily print by connecting directly to your compatible HP printer via included usb cable (no pc required)
• store up to 16MB on the included Secure Digital memory card; purchase C8885A adapter to use secure digital memory cards with printers that accept CompactFlash
• HP memories disc creator software lets you make slide shows and more
• take great looking pictures with no guesswork with the auto exposure feature, auto flash and red-eye reduction
• save your batteries with the optional AC power adapter (not included)
• automatic focus for clear views and great photos
• supports up to 128MB SD or MMC memory cards

what's in the box?
• HP Photosmart 850 digital camera with direct-printing capability
• 16 MB Secure Digital (SD) memory card
• neck strap
• 4 AA e2 titanium batteries
• tethered lens cap
• USB cable to PC
• USB direct print cable
• user's manual
• dock insert for use with optional HP Photosmart digital camera dock (C8881A)
• CD with HP photo & imaging software, share-to-web software, HP memories disc creator software and ArcSoft FunHouse

below photo is at the 2MP setting, medium quality
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21 Jun 2003, 6:40am
Bothered:

Here's what I would consider a colour-corrected version of that picture. I've rebalanced the colour curves so that reds and yellows come back and flesh looks more natural.

Cute kid! Congrats, grandpa!

mcwc: That long exposure night shot is very inspiring. What a great picture! The cross-dressers --- ummm.. not so inspiring
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21 Jun 2003, 7:26am
Well, blame the student council for coming up with gender bender day. It was lame but got a good laugh from it. The guy in the pink flowery robe has a good shock factor and he does have a little problem liking to dress up as female anime characters. From what I know, he has done it at least 4 times.

Thx for the comment on the night shot. Too bad only one car came by . When I have time, I want to try to capture water droplets in mid fall and when it hits a pool of water.
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21 Jun 2003, 8:08am
Primesuspect,
My wife agrees with you but only just. The picture you did makes the baby look a bit yellow to me and the red is too vivid. Still, Food for thought.

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21 Jun 2003, 3:10pm
The colour balance or saturation has been a little over done Prime
as you started to lose a little detail around the bottom of the red hat, but good effort as the skin tones are not as washed out.

I may post some pics with my Nikon camera, and if anyone is interested maybe some Astrophotography images with some specialised CCD equipment i have.
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21 Jun 2003, 5:36pm
Yeah, looking at the picture today after stepping back for a night, the picture does look a bit yellow. Not my best work, certainly, but at least you can see what I'm talking about.

Jono: Please do post your pictures along with the specs/model/approx retail price of your camera.
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21 Jun 2003, 8:34pm
This is my (sub ~£200) cheap 2 MegaPixel Fuji Finepix A204...

Number of effective pixels
2.0 million

CCD sensor
1/2.7 inch

Number of total pixels 2.11 million
Number of recorded pixels 1.92 million pixels (1600 x 1,200)
1.2 million pixels (1,280 x 960)
0.35 million pixels (640 x 480)
File format Exif (JPEG)

Storage media xD-Picture Card
Lens 3X optical zoom lens
Lens focal length Equivalent to 38-114mm on a 35mm camera
LCD monitor 1.5 inch D-TFD (55,000 pixels)
Movie recording 320 x 240 pixels: 10 frames / sec, up to 20 sec
160 x 120 pixels: 10 frames / sec. up to 240 sec
without sound

Voice Memo No
Music function No
Internet conferencing Yes
PictureCradle No
Power source 2 x AA type alkaline batteries, or 2 x AA Ni-MH batteries
AC power adapter
Dimensions 100.4 (W) x 65.0 (H) x 51.7 (D) mm
Weight 185g
The only change done to these photos was to shrink to 40% of their original 2mp resolution.




7pm @ nite.. neighbours cat. Light is fading but ok.



This camera has a good macro mode. Same time, macro enabled.



Taken in bright light inside a warehouse. Macro again. Excuse my slightly shaky hand (this is an Opteron heatsink/CPU & mobo.. I was nervous/excited!). Note the flash reflections on the top of the caps. This camera's flash is very basic. I had a terrible time trying to photograph a metallic object recently.


Although this is a cheap digital camera. It's quality is surprisingly good. I tried several others before settling on this. For those looking for a cheap but decent. The A204 is great value @ £160.
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22 Jun 2003, 7:11am
Fuji makes some nice CCDs. The ones on their high end cameras are really really nice.

Shorty, if you don't want metal pieces to reflect light in your macro shots with flash, go into macro mode and go to full telephoto. Then the effects of the flash should be reduced. That is what I do when I take indoor macro shots at night.
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22 Jun 2003, 5:12pm
One little trick i use mainly when i use my Minolta SLR is to put a few layers of tissue paper over the flash, that way it acts as a diffuser and limits over exposure/light of the flash close up.
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22 Jun 2003, 11:59pm
Am I right when I say SLR is Single Lens Reflex?
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23 Jun 2003, 1:56am
Yup, you're right.
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23 Jun 2003, 2:45pm
Sony CyberShot DSC-P72 3.2 MP Digital Camera
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Sony CyberShot DSC-P72 3.2 MP Digital Camera

I didn't do anything to these pictures aside from resize them and save them at piss poor JPEG quality settings (5 in Photoshop).
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23 Jun 2003, 2:50pm
Sony CyberShot DSC-P72 3.2 MP Digital Camera

One more... We had gotten a lot of rain last week. I'll get a macro example in here when I get a chance. I'm not sure what my wife did with the camera! It may be in her car. I have taken some macro shots and it can get very close in with good clarity.

My wife spent $350 on the whole package from an online retailer. It came with 1x64MB memory stick, 1x16MB memory stick, a carrying case, battery recharger and 2xAA NiMH batteries, propriety USB transfer cable and universal USB memory stick reader. I think the camera by itself costs $330 at Fry's right now.
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23 Jun 2003, 3:13pm
That's another bit of good advice for potential buyers: Look for package deals.

My Kodak LS443 retails at $400 US, but I got it for $300 and it came with a 64mb SD card as well as a carrying case. Sure, the carrying case only cost $15, but the RAM is easily worth $40 retail.
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23 Jun 2003, 3:24pm
Those cases can be pricey if you don't go generic. A Sony case, batteries and recharger package for our camera costs $80 by itself.
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23 Jun 2003, 10:18pm

Nikon Coolpix 800

I have had this Camera a few years now and i'm not sure if its still available, but should be able to get one second hand.

Its part of the coolpix range of Nikon Cameras so the lenses are in my opinion are the best out of the rest. Even though its only 2.1 megapix the quality of the lens is more important than the size of the pixels/res.

Image below is taken in natural sun light, no flash or post work, taken in macro mode.


The last image is the same image as above, but zoomed up in photoshop 55% more as you can see not much loss of detail due to the quality of Nikon lenses.


The link is a review of the camera..

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikoncp800/default.asp
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IMO, the quality of the lens is worthless if the CCD is crap and vis versa.
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24 Jun 2003, 1:11am
Sony Mavica FD (the original floppy disk digital camera)
Model: MVC-FD97
2.1 Megapixel
SteadyShot
20x Precision Digital Zoom

Here are some sample photo's (no image manipulation at all, 1024x768 photo's):
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Note: All photo's are taken in my backyard @ 8:00 PM EST on June 23, 2003. Sun was setting...
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# 4 (Last One)
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24 Jun 2003, 1:38am
This is the same camera with it it at the 4MP, medium quality setting, resulting in a 2272x1712 photo, the image I have here was the center 1506x1078 and then reduced 50% in order to make it fit in here
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24 Jun 2003, 2:22am
These pictures are good examples of outdoor stills, but I want to see how these cameras do flesh tones/portraiture and action shots. So will potential buyers
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24 Jun 2003, 2:34am
Ok, this is my brother with that camera, 2MP, medium quality 1136x848
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24 Jun 2003, 9:00am
Is there an easy way to pull the detailed info from the file, or has everyone been retyping the info from the file properties? I was going to post a couple of pics from my Kodak EasyShare DX4330...but I am too l lazy to type all the image specs....

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24 Jun 2003, 11:02am
Yeah, right click, properties ---> summary, and then advanced button at bottom
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24 Jun 2003, 4:40pm
Danball:

Ya, I know that part. But, you only captured half the info. Many of the above posts have ALL the info in TEXT format. I was wondering if there was an easy way to yank that information out of the file properties as TEXT to paste into here, or if others have just typed it all verbatim.

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24 Jun 2003, 10:13pm
Doesn't you camera come with it's own picture browsing software? I just used Canon Zoombrowser EX that came with my camera to get the info from the JPEG header. If your camera doesn't come with its own browsing software, you can use ACDSee do copy the info in one step.

Here is Canon Zoombrowser EX (what I use).
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24 Jun 2003, 10:16pm
Here is ACDSee. So to the picture properties and go to the Metadata tab. Right click anywhere in the window and select copy all. All the info in the JPEG head will be copy to your clipboard.
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24 Jun 2003, 11:23pm
Thanks, I'll check that in my Kodak software, otherwise I will grab a copy of ACDSee.
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25 Jun 2003, 2:44am
mcwc said
Doesn't you camera come with it's own picture browsing software? I just used Canon Zoombrowser EX that came with my camera to get the info from the JPEG header. If your camera doesn't come with its own browsing software, you can use ACDSee do copy the info in one step.

Here is Canon Zoombrowser EX (what I use).
If your talking to me, yes it does, but I didn't bother installing it
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25 Jun 2003, 7:43am
Oh, I was answering Dexter's question.
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25 Jun 2003, 7:22pm

Sony CyberShot DSC-P72 3.2 MegaPixel

Here is a macro example that I shot with the Sony DSC-P72. Nothin' fancy done here, everything was on autopilot. I just put it in macro mode. This is one case where the full-sized photo actually looks even better than the reduced one. This flower just looks amazing close up. I will post the full-size picture if you guys want.
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profdlp
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26 Jun 2003, 5:25am

Cool Do it!

Yeah, I'd like to see it!

Very nice pictures.


Prof
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maxanon
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26 Jun 2003, 1:53pm
has anyone printed any of their digital images? If so, what do you think is the minimum resolution for a decent pic?

Also, the canon camera link :http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/EOS1DS/menu.html

You can download some sample images (in jpeg and raw) to see the quality. I have to say, very nice.
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Khaos
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26 Jun 2003, 2:11pm
My brother in law has an Epson photo printer and it churns out some pretty sweet prints for less than $300. I mean they seriously look good - Even uses glossy paper. I think it can be had for ~$225 on NewEgg or from a similarly low-priced retailer.

Here's an enlarged view of the center of the flower. The original crop was 1280x1024 (My desktop resolution, this thing is currently my background), and then I shrunk it down to 1024xWhatever. Sorry for the 200KB filesize. :|

The little specks aren't noise or anything, they're dew.

Oh, one last note. Yesterday we used the full motion video feature for the first time, and I must say, I'm pretty impressed. The video is very clear for close range subjects, but loses clarity at around 10 feet. For close range, however, it is clear enough to watch full-screen on a 19 inch monitor. It actually looks pretty darn good. The further away the subject, the more the resolution needs to be reduced in order to produce clarity. 640x480 is probably ideal.
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