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Sidekicksol
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16 Mar 2008, 7:30am

Shin Splints

Off topic, but i need help. Bad. They are horrid. I do high school soccer 5 nights a week, 2 conditioning, 1 half drilling half conditioning, 2 drilling, sometimes a scrimmage on the weekends. I cant take myself off long enough to ice them and treat them. What can i do? It hurts like nothing else.
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You need to see a doctor.
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16 Mar 2008, 8:32am
saw the team therapist briefly... said i needed to take atleast 2 weeks off and ice. hell no.
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16 Mar 2008, 9:08am
Go see a physical therapist.
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16 Mar 2008, 9:18am
Quoting Sidekicksol
saw the team therapist briefly... said i needed to take atleast 2 weeks off and ice. hell no.
You ask a professional what to do... he gives you an answer... you decline to follow his advice. In turn, you present the same question to a bunch of people on a technical forum...

Do you see where I'm going with this?
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Quoting Cyclonite
You ask a professional what to do... he gives you an answer... you decline to follow his advice. In turn, you present the same question to a bunch of people on a technical forum...

Do you see where I'm going with this?
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16 Mar 2008, 10:51am
Wrap them as tightly as you possibly can in bandages. Good luck.
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16 Mar 2008, 1:40pm
Two weeks without sports and healthy legs again, or carry on doing what you want in excruciating pain... Toughie
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16 Mar 2008, 1:45pm
this is kinda a last ditch thing. im not taking the 2 weeks off because to miss 2 weeks now would be to miss 3 games out of the freshly started season, something i dont think i could afford to miss. the coach knows i have them, so i guess its just until he forces me to sit out that ill try to play. being stubborn runs in my family >.<
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16 Mar 2008, 2:13pm
You can get some muscle rub, my brother uses it, just ask a doctor for some
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16 Mar 2008, 2:54pm
Icy hot might work, but what you might wanna do is get some shin guards and pad the back of them. Bulk cotton (Cotton balls in a pinch) might just be that extra bit of pressure resistance you need. I say this because I bet most of the pain you're getting is from stopping the ball.
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16 Mar 2008, 3:31pm
its mostly running that hurts. im a striker at a 12441 formation so everything i do is running and shooting. i will try to pad the back of them, i hadnt thought of it! rub, icy hot, i have used them a little bit but not much. ill go get some more when i can. ty for the advice!
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16 Mar 2008, 4:17pm
Nothing you really can do. Run through it, at least you are on grass so it cant be that bad. I had them from Frosh track to Senior CC so several years. Only until senior track season did I finally not have shin splits anymore.

Stand with your heals on a curb and do toe raises to strennthen the muscels on the front of your shins.

And 2 weeks with no running will not get rid of shin splits.
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16 Mar 2008, 4:21pm
Surely it'll reduce the pain?
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16 Mar 2008, 6:32pm
It just doesn't go away that easy. I didnt run during the winter(I was in wrestling) and for part of the summer but I still had them for years. For me it was bad enough that pressure to the outside of the shin caused pain. There was constant swelling. Proper stretching and strengthening the muscle on the shin is the best way to help, along with good shoes.
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16 Mar 2008, 6:35pm
Sounds goofy, but I'm a long distance runner and this helps me....walk backwards on a treadmill with no incline on it for about a quarter of a mile when you are done for the day. I know it sounds dumb but has always helped me. Also make sure to ice nightly and use icy hot when you go to bed.
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16 Mar 2008, 6:42pm
Another way to strengthen the shin muscle?

You could consciously make an effort to lift your toe when walking and land(roll) on your heal. This really uses the shin muscle.
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16 Mar 2008, 7:14pm
so try to work shin muscles? i can see why it wouldnt go away that easy, correct me if im wrong, but its bruising between the bone and skin. if its really that big of a bruise, imm sure your right 2 weeks wont nearly cut it. thank you all for the advice! one last question, are there any stretches that may help other than toe raises?
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16 Mar 2008, 7:23pm
Having run 4 years of college track and having any of a wide array of shin problems, my suggestion to you is something we started doing my Freshman year: Contrast baths. This isn't something that will immediately help with reduction of pain, but it will lessen and reduce the amount of pain and swelling for about half an hour.

This should only be used AFTER a practice or workout (especially one that is particularly painful or before a contest) and at most ONE TO TWO TIMES A WEEK!

(These procedures assume you have access to 2 whirlpools [best option] or 2 tubs [if whirlpools aren't an option] of some sort.)

1) Fill two pools, one with hot water (100 degrees+ is best) and cold water (Cold, really cold, like 45-50 degrees cold. The bigger the "contrast" the more this is going to help in the end.)
2) Start in the cold bath for 1 minute. This is going to feel very, very cold and sting quite a bit. Try not to hyperventilate etc.
3) After 30 seconds IMMEDIATELY switch to the hot bath for 30 seconds. This may sting and be slightly uncomfortable.
4) After that, skip back to the cold whirlpool again for 1 minute.
5) Do this rotation a total of 3 times ENDING ON THE COLD WATER! This is important as it is meant to keep the swelling down.


The big thing about a contrast bath is that it alerts the body part that something is wrong, the drastic changes in temperature cause blood to flow in and out very, very fast. Meaning you'll get a rush of nutrients to the offended area and ending on cold will reduce the swelling/inflammation and the pain (it should feel as if you have absolutely WONDERFUL legs after doing this, no pain from anything. Mine always felt remarkably fresh afterward.). After about 2 weeks of this you should notice some decrease in the pain. It is important that you TAKE CARE OF YOUR SHINS as has been said here. The best thing to do is to stretch them. Here's some visuals to help with the stretches. And remember, if it gets TOO BAD YOU NEED TO STOP. Stress fractures suck, I speak from experience and seeing people with them.
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16 Mar 2008, 7:29pm
tyvm miracleman! this is why i love icrontic, people take vast amounts of time just to help others! i had never heard of these^^. i have access to 2 bathes and i will try this. saturday i believe i have a game so i should try this after thursday or friday practice?
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16 Mar 2008, 7:30pm
Yes, that is usually the best time for this kind of stuff. If you can limit it to Thursday as Friday should be a fairly easy day for you (from what I know about common practice etiquette). If you can survive it, limit it to once a week too.
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16 Mar 2008, 7:50pm
Quoting MiracleManS
1) Fill two pools, one with hot water (100 degrees+ is best)
Damn hope you mean Fahrenheit MM otherwise call the burns clinic prior to immersion sidekicksol. I've only suffered shin splints once did a marathon without training proerly and it was painful for at least 4 months after when playing rugby. i used either electrical insulating tape or zinc oxide plaster to support it one line of tape either side of the shin and a pair of strips of tape top and bottom to secure it.
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16 Mar 2008, 7:56pm
ive had them for about 1 year and a half now, ever since i moved up to striker....
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16 Mar 2008, 7:59pm
If that's the case, I'd make sure and wrap them as has been suggested. Sucks when you're pulling it off and leg hair is attached, but in the long run it will keep pain and swelling down and make them manageable.


Edit: and yes, IM TALKING FARENHEIT!!! I'm terrible, terrible at remembering there are some people who use good systems of measure on these boards.
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16 Mar 2008, 8:16pm
wrap em, got it : )
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16 Mar 2008, 8:52pm
I also was a soccer player and got these early in my training. They are common to those who are working up from being out of shape and are integrating sprints into their training.

I had them bad my first game and basically was no good to the team until they were gone. If it is competitive and the suggestions don't work, you are doing them or yourself no favors by playing flat- stay out. It's a compounding problem so train for circulation and not high impact.

It was over a month before I could turn it on- sorry. I can only hope it goes quicker for you.
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17 Mar 2008, 12:22am
Good set of shoes helps a lot. I used to get them somewhat frequently. Finally bought a good pair of Brooks running shoes and haven't had them since. Sounds like you are overtraining to me. The pain isn't going to go away without rest.
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17 Mar 2008, 12:44am
About the 18th year into my Army career I started getting shin splints from running. (LOTS of running in the Army.) Fortunately for me, it wasn't severe. Usually a new pair of high quality running shoes did the fix. I can't address severe shin splints.

Do you run outside of your formal soccer training? And if yes, is that running on paved surfaces? Don't run on asphalt or concrete. It is hell on the skeleton and joints.
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17 Mar 2008, 12:50am
i do on breaks from soccer, but other than that no. there is no need to with all the practice. when i do, i run on a track surface, not sure of the composition but it is definetly not concrete or asphalt. as far as running shoes, im forced to wear cleats because it usually transfers straight from drills to running. i do have 120$ 90's for cleats, which are decent.
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17 Mar 2008, 1:13am
How's the practice surface? Is it hard and dry? That could be part of your problem. There's also the question of running form included, but that's usually less of a concern. Depending on your cleats might show whats up with your shins. Could you provide us with some sort of information on them so we could look them up? I know I bought a really nice pair of running shoes once that made my shins feel like they were ripping apart. I tried inserts and that helped, but eventually I just changed shoes and the problem subsided to normal track athlete running pain.

Anecdotally, I can attest to the working of wrapping, contrast baths, and stretching at subduing shin splint pain. I had them so bad my sophomore year of high school I couldn't walk in practice much less run (I persisted) but on race days I had enough adrenaline that it wasn't an issue. That said, if I had it to do over again, I'd have taken a break to increase the likely hood of peak performance. They persisted until my sprint coach insisted that I do the bathing and stretching. I still had pain but it was more than manageable without taking pain killers.

As an aside: There's a misconception about shin splints that they can "get better" or they'll "go away". That isn't the case. As an injury shin splints are with you for life. It's just a question of how inflamed and/or sore they can get. Once you pull that muscle away from the tibia you're SOL as far as reconnecting. That doesn't mean its not treatable and/or going to always be painful. The fact of the matter is that with proper therapy and attention it should never be a problem unless you're over-training.
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17 Mar 2008, 10:16pm
its somewhat soft and.. spring like? im not sure how to describe it. it absorbs the impact of your foot hitting it though.
off to practice in 10 minutes.
EDIT: one sec on the cleat info
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17 Mar 2008, 11:49pm
make sure you are walking/running properly. I used to get shin splints all through highschool basketball because I walked/ran improper. It wasnt until I got into the Army that I corrected this.

You have to make sure your heal lands first.

I walk 4-6 miles at work somedays, and still have not gotten shin splints.

this might help
http://www.rubberbug.com/walking.htm
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do what i did long ago, get your shins replaced with wood. Works like a charm (cept for termites)
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Form is a big thing, to an extent. But if you're running DEAR GOD DON'T LET YOUR HEEL HIT FIRST!
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thanks fatcat!

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18 Mar 2008, 12:24am
Running on a track in football boots can't help.

Do you play on grass or astro turf?
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18 Mar 2008, 12:28am
grass, but i usually just wear sneakers when im on the track.
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18 Mar 2008, 1:23am
Quoting MiracleManS
Form is a big thing, to an extent. But if you're running DEAR GOD DON'T LET YOUR HEEL HIT FIRST!
actually, you are incorrect.

Running techique

2) Stride and Heel / Toe Contact - Open your stride to a point where you will land on the bottom of your heel (closer to the ball of your foot) and roll across your foot, pushing off the ground with your toes. Many people run flat footed or on their toes causing stress on their lower back, hips, knees and ankles. You can eliminate this by following the simple Audio Test. If you can hear your feet hitting the ground when you run, then you are running wrong. It should sound like your shoes are rolling on the ground quietly. Comfortable running shoes will also aid in prevention of injuries.  
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18 Mar 2008, 1:32am
Main point- dont run heavily
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Quoting fatcat
actually, you are incorrect.

Running techique

2) Stride and Heel / Toe Contact - Open your stride to a point where you will land on the bottom of your heel (closer to the ball of your foot) and roll across your foot, pushing off the ground with your toes. Many people run flat footed or on their toes causing stress on their lower back, hips, knees and ankles. You can eliminate this by following the simple Audio Test. If you can hear your feet hitting the ground when you run, then you are running wrong. It should sound like your shoes are rolling on the ground quietly. Comfortable running shoes will also aid in prevention of injuries.  
See, I think the difference we're talking about here is a "jog run" and a "run run". If you're just striding and hoping to carry a good pace, then that's the truth. If you're sprinting(as I'm used to) you want to stay just past mid-point of the foot and literally keep contact to a minimum. Extra contact = extra time spent not applying force.


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One should not 'sprint' for exercise .
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Sprinting is some of the most effective aerobic exercise there is. Look up HIIT.
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Agree with Thrax. If you wanna get serious, HIT is the way to go.

As far as shin splints, I've had my run ins with them. Played soccer all 4 years of HS.

My question is, which is going to sound dumb, what sort of stretch routine do you do before games/practice? As in specific stretches. Also, how long on average does it take you to go through your warm up stretches.

The reason I ask this is because I rarely ever got shin splints. I played probably 6 days a week for at least 3 hours without much of a problem. When I did get shin splints, it was because I half-assed the warm up. (which is why I was asking)

Shoes doe play a big role (or did to me). I had a pair of Kelme Masters and they were fantastic shoes. But, about half way through the season my feet started killing me. I replaced the stock inserts with a really nice pair the trainer recommended me - made all the difference in the world.

Good luck with your season and enjoy it while you can! I really miss participating in HS sports. Not only was it a bunch of fun but it kept me in shape

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19 Mar 2008, 10:59pm
as of right now, usually about 10 minutes on stretches. wouldnt know what to tell you otherwise because i have no idea what they are called, i just do em.

in the off season, i play for the Kansas City Blaze, and our coach rushes everything, so maybe 5 minutes 0.o
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20 Mar 2008, 2:20am
As far as I know, the best routines in the country integrate what is called "dynamic warm ups" into their stretching routines before every practice/competition. It's a series of motions that, in general, are not stretches, but warm up the muscle groups in such a way that they are ready for literal "dynamic" performance.
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15 Jun 2009, 12:34am
Quite old thread now but I suffer badly from shin spints but the physio told me to get a towel and use that to strengthen the area.

Sit down on the floor legs straight ahead of you (sitting upright) keep a hold of the towel at each end and throw it round the top of your feet - now push the top of your feet (i.e. your toes) away from you - the towel will provide resistance - do sets of these everyday to strengthen the area. Also if you can grab some one do the opposite - have them wrap the towel around your feet again but they sit opposite you , start from the "pointy" feet position and bring it back to straight. The towel will be providing resistance from your partner - they can vary it as you get better.

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