Star Wars Episode VII discussion

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  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI

    It's hard to explain to people who grew up with the internet what pop culture and entertainment was like BEFORE the internet. Now, when something is exciting we can just google it or social media it and join a crowd of excitement and be part of instant cultural zeitgeist. Back then it was so much more difficult to identify communities of fans, and it was much more localized, so when you found out that it WASN'T just you and your 6 friends who were massive Star Wars fans, it was kind of mindblowing. That growing sense of "wow, this is a really big deal" is not really possible anymore, because things can INSTANTLY be a big deal (trending topics!). The slow build-up to realizing that you're part of a fandom (a word that probably didn't exist pre-internet) was quite remarkable and really sealed in the sense of excitement and anticipation.

    I'm having trouble describing what I mean without going into "BACK IN MY DAY" territory. The zeigeist is just a crazy thing and everything has changed so much. It's hard to understate how much of an impact the internet has had on Star Wars pre- and post-new trilogy.

    UPSLynx
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! TX

    @primesuspect said:
    The zeigeist is just a crazy thing

    Sure is...

    -Digi

  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI

    @BobbyDigi said:
    No it wasn't

    Come on man, you cannot honestly tell me the acting in Episode I was good, or even a little good. Liam Neeson, maybe. Ewan McGregor, a bit. Ian McDiarmid, okay maybe. The rest of it? Garbage acting. They took people who might have been good actors and turned them into crap. The script was garbage and the story made no sense whatsoever.

  • RyderRyder Kalamazoo, Mi

    Hey Brian,

    We get it, you don't like it ;) <4

    _kPirateNinja
  • _k_k P-Town, Texas

    @primesuspect said:
    Come on man, you cannot honestly tell me the acting in Episode I was good, or even a little good. Liam Neeson, maybe. Ewan McGregor, a bit. Ian >McDiarmid, okay maybe. The rest of it? Garbage acting. They took people who might have been good actors and turned them into crap. The script >was garbage and the story made no sense whatsoever.

    AlexDeGruvenGargUPSLynxTushon
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! TX

    What you see as garbage acting, I see as characteristics and mannerisms of the character. These characters are fictional. There isn't even a book to compare and say, "Look, this character is depicted as X in the book and is portrayed in the movie as Y".

    You are comparing the "acting" to your vision of what they "should" be. To me it is not bad acting, it is just the character.

    -Digi

  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI

    So, suddenly acting isn't important because hey cool it's star wars? Come on, we're better than that. Acting is super important in ANY movie, and no, it's not because I have some vision of what they should be. It's just plain bad acting.

    Thrax
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI

    @Ryder said:
    Hey Brian,

    We get it, you don't like it ;) <4

    I'M DISCUSSING STAR WARS IN A THREAD I STARTED ABOUT DISCUSSING STAR WARS, DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

    GnomeQueenRahnalH102Ilriyas
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI

    @BobbyDigi said:
    What you see as garbage acting, I see as characteristics and mannerisms of the character. These characters are fictional. There isn't even a book to compare and say, "Look, this character is depicted as X in the book and is portrayed in the movie as Y".

    You are comparing the "acting" to your vision of what they "should" be. To me it is not bad acting, it is just the character.

    -Digi

    You seem to think I want to hate the new trilogy. I don't. I desperately don't. I want only to love them as much as I loved the first three, but I just can't fake it.

  • edited October 2015

    Well it's all opinion and reference point of course. Saying "my opinion", "no, my opinion" is naturally fruitless.

    With that said, here is my opinion :D
    The problem I had with the new movies is just that the characters were not human enough for me to relate to. I didn't think they developed in any meaningful way or showed actual emotion. Instead when I watched the new movies it was sort of like watching a bunch of APIs pinging each other until some programming task was complete and then the movies ended. I could be wrong, but I do feel that is because of the way they were written. It's as if they just transformed a checklist in to scenes. But I imagine if other things were important to me, like visuals, or raw plot without character development, I could probably have enjoyed the movies. But I went in there with an expectation, and maybe that was the whole problem.

    Then again.

  • KwitkoKwitko Sheriff of Banning (Retired) By the thing near the stuff

    The only genre where acting isn't important is porn.

  • ThraxThrax Professional Shill, Watch Slut, Mumble Hivemind Drone Austin, TX
    edited October 2015

    #ACTING #REALPEOPLE #JUSTHOWTHEYARE

    GnomeQueenLincUPSLynx
  • RequitRequit That one guy Somewhere over there, I don't know
    edited October 2015

    @Thrax said:
    #ACTING #REALPEOPLE #JUSTHOWTHEYARE

    Hey now. Maybe it's just 'cause I've lived in a desert my entire life, but he captured exactly how I feel about sand.

  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI

    To give a real example of how bad acting changed what was supposed to be a powerful moment:

    This is one of the single most PIVOTAL PLOT POINTS IN THE ENTIRE STORYLINE ACROSS ALL MOVIES and it SUCKS. It is literally ruined by terrible acting.

    Compare that with

    I mean come on, they're in two completely different leagues.

    UPSLynx
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI

    Just rewatching both of those. I literally just got goosebumps from "he told me enough. He told me you killed him", despite having this scene memorized and having seen it probably over a hundred times.

    Sazbean
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! TX

    @primesuspect said:
    You seem to think I want to hate the new trilogy. I don't. I desperately don't. I want only to love them as much as I loved the first three, but I just can't fake it.

    I by no means attempted to imply that. I know you love Star Wars. It sucks that you don't like part of a universe you love.

    @Thrax said:
    #ACTING #REALPEOPLE #JUSTHOWTHEYARE

    Anakin was very awkward as I would expect someone who was battling with the force and falling in love all during his teenage years.

    That is a perfect example of what I was explaining to Prime. As I watch the movies, the awkwardness of Anikin is explained in my head by what he is going through, not that it was bad acting. It's just what my brain defaulted to.

    I've dealt with this since shortly after Episode II came out. One of my favorite scenes was/is when Padme tells Anakin "You're not all-powerful, Ani." and his response is "Well, I should be." It was very powerful to me. Then I saw multiple references to that specific scene being an example of his bad acting.

    I completely understand that others' might see it as bad acting, I'm glad I don't. It allows me to enjoy the movie watching Anakin's life and not thinking about Hayden Christinson's acting.

    -Digi

  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! TX

    @primesuspect said:
    ...it SUCKS. It is literally ruined by terrible acting.

    No it wasn't

    -Digi

    _k
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI

    @BobbyDigi said:
    No it wasn't

    For me it was.

    BobbyDigi
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! TX

    Funny that I was explaining people using that scene as an example of bad acting as Prime was using it as an example of bad acting.

    -Digi

    PirateNinja
  • ThraxThrax Professional Shill, Watch Slut, Mumble Hivemind Drone Austin, TX
    edited October 2015

    The simple litmus test for me: I get goosebumps watching the Vader/Luke reveal. I've seen the movie dozens of times.

    I do not get goosebumps at any of the pivotal moments in the new trilogy. I never have. There's just no gravitas for me in the delivery of the actors. I feel like I'm watching a poorly acted off-broadway adaptation of a book, or some sort of high school play.

  • SnarkasmSnarkasm Madison, WI

    For me, it's just that Anakin goes from a little pretentious kid to a fucking angsty whiny shitbox. The acting might be great, but he's acting like a fuckwit, not the one who would bring balance to the force and oops turn to the dark side. Literally constant whiny bitch mode engaged. It definitely contributed to explaining the change of heart in Jedi, but it didn't make for an enjoyable 'protagonist' of the movies for me.

    primesuspect
  • SonorousSonorous F@H Fanatic US
    edited October 2015

    @primesuspect said:

    Compare that with

    I mean come on, they're in two completely different leagues.

    Those terrible moaning scream things he lets out though are possibly my least favorite part of any Star Wars anything. I seriously hate those "NooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEeeeeeeeeeeee" he belts out like someone struggling to defecate. Just terrible.

    _kRahnalH102
  • ChoochChooch K-Pop authority™, Pho King Madison Heights, MI

    I just finished having my own Star Wars marathon and I watched it in this order. IV, V, II, III, VI.

  • GargGarg Purveyor of Lincoln Nightmares

    @Church4252 said:
    I just finished having my own Star Wars marathon and I watched it in this order. IV, V, II, III, VI.

    So what did you think of that order?

  • ChoochChooch K-Pop authority™, Pho King Madison Heights, MI

    @Gargoyle said:
    So what did you think of that order?

    It worked out pretty well. With showing Episode II and III after V, it really felt like they did a flashback to show the relationship between Anakin Skywalker and Obi-won Kenobi and how Skywalker became Darth Vader. And to go full circle with Episode VI.

    Highly recommend watching it in this order.

    PirateNinja
  • I'll try that order. I'm in a similar situation as @Gargoyle. I have to get @Confused_Kitty to get through these before December 17 :D

  • edited November 2015

    @Snarkasm said:
    ... not the one who would bring balance to the force and oops turn to the dark side.

    My comment is off topic for a discussion about bad acting, but I've never interpreted Episodes 1-3 that way. I always thought that he did bring balance to the force. Before Anakin turned to the dark side, the force in the old republic days was heavily weighted in favor of the Jedi council. Anakin pretty effectively balanced Jedi and Sith.

    _kBobbyDigi
  • SnarkasmSnarkasm Madison, WI

    Except that the Sith annihilated the Jedi at the end of the third...?

  • edited November 2015

    Right, leaving essentially two trained Jedi and two Sith (leaving EU out of the picture).

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