@NiGHTS said:
Dude, you have got to knock this shit off. Not every thread needs a dissenting opinion or a devil's advocate post.
I read it. It's hard for someone who has never smoked to understand the difference these devices can make. We made a terrible choice in the habit of tobacco use and these electronic devices are a step in the right direction for us. I know there is not a huge pool of research and the verdict is still out on the safety of ecigs and vaping, but an irrefutable truth is that thousands of people are claiming there is a physical difference in their health. Myself included. That's got to weigh into the equation somewhere.
That article opened my eyes to how awful ecigs really are. I'm going to switch back to tobacco so I can be safe. Hacking up a lung every morning is much better than inhaling those nasty chemicals from ejuice.
I'm open to hearing about the hazards vaping presents, but this article is straight fear-mongering written by someone who doesn't understand the subject.
Currently vaping: Muffin Man from One Hit Wonder - 9/10
I love Washington Post articles! They're often factually-correct but present their facts in a misleading fashion. The linked studies point out that chemicals exist in vape fluid which, when vaped, cause you to exceed your "workplace recommended exposure limits". This is referring to a NIOSH Recommended Exposure Limit (REL) which is defined as the average exposure concentration over a period of time roughly equivalent to a standard workday in most cases. While these are precursors to OSHA Permissible Exposure Limits (PELs), RELs lack the legal enforceability of a PEL. Washington Post cites an REL as evidence that these are bad for you and implies as much from the documented illnesses of the plant workers exposed to these chemicals during their workdays. However, since these chemicals are unregulated for workplace safety (manufacturers are not obligated to recognize RELs in any way; contrast with legally-required controls for PELs), we have no idea what exposure these plant workers received and how that compares with what you get from vaping a bottle of fluid.
NIOSH classes these chemicals as respiratory irritants; odds are you'll know pretty quick if you're having a bad reaction and not buy that flavor again. The rest of the article is FUD about how we need more data. That's cool, more data is always good. Also noteworthy is that at leasttwo of the studies cited were performed by fervent anti-tobacco research groups and as such are inherently biased.
The UK article states that they've looked at this and found that vaping is less bad than cigarettes; arguably not saying much there.
No, I don't smoke. I can't stand bad science though. For a fun game, get a bottle of your favorite libation (or your favorite vice of choice), read this page, then read any mainstream news article and take a sip/shot/puff/hit every time you correctly identify one. Score one point for each article you complete while maintaining consciousness.
@NiGHTS said:
Dude, you have got to knock this shit off. Not every thread needs a dissenting opinion or a devil's advocate post.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were appointed lord high arbiter of who can post an opinion. I'll be sure to run all my posts through you before I add them from here on out. Oh, and who gets the joy of approving your opinions? Or are you the only person who has carte blanche?
There's junk science all around when it comes to tobacco and tobacco-like products (and lets be honest, most of the junkiest junk comes from the industry, not from the safety groups... they kind of have a vested financial interest in keeping people smoking, just look at their history on fighting tobacco regulations and the way they fought the medical science on tobacco use). I just felt like maybe people should be presented with information on what they're inhaling into their lungs, since the companies that are putting these chemicals out aren't making that information readily available. Especially if there's anyone reading this who DOESN'T smoke or vape and thinks "hey, these guys are all saying it's safe and tasty, maybe I'll try it".
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@ardichoke said:
Especially if there's anyone reading this who DOESN'T smoke or vape and thinks "hey, these guys are all saying it's safe and tasty, maybe I'll try it".
This has already happened. They were very explicitly advised that they shouldn't start if they don't currently.
@ardichoke said:
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were appointed lord high arbiter of who can post an opinion. I'll be sure to run all my posts through you before I add them from here on out. Oh, and who gets the joy of approving your opinions? Or are you the only person who has carte blanche?
Appointed lord high arbiter by the highest court, in fact: the court of common courtesy and decency.
I have opinions, but I don't feel the urge to blast those who don't align with my own. You were told once - in this very thread, even - to stop thread crapping and leave it be. You walked into a room full of people having quiet conversation, hanging out, showing off their equipment and sharing a commonality with one another, vaping, before taking it upon yourself to stand in the middle of the room and yell at them for being naive enough to think vaping was healthy.
Icrontians gathered at a coin collectors meeting showing off their wooden nickels, magnetized pennies, standing liberty quarters and here you come to stomp into the room and let everyone know coins are dead and credit cards are the way to go.
This isn't reddit. This isn't slashdot. This is Icrontic - we embrace this kind of togetherness and interest and provide a place for discussion to grow into friendship and bonds.
How would you feel if I wandered into your home ownership thread and took it upon myself to let you know why I felt that your purchase was a terrible decision, found an article on the web to support my thoughts on your terrible decision, and then left a passive-aggressive "welp, just thought you might find this interesting." Wouldn't that rub you the wrong way?
Should I have called you out in public? No, and I apologize for that. A PM would have been a good way to go. But you do this is so many threads, Ardi - you've got to just let some stuff go and let people enjoy what they want to enjoy.
My second Zamplebox got here a couple weeks ago. This one was better than the first. I used my Maganus tank on a Sigelei 150W for most of these. I got the Sigelei after my IPV4 died on me. The juice leaked out of my RDAs into the battery compartment and screwed up the contacts, and it kind of turned me off dripping. Anyway, onto the reviews.
Area 51 (ConspiracE-Liquid) - toffee flavored coffee
Mostly toffee in this one, with sweet coffee. I was hoping for a more bitter coffee flavor, but it's still great for what it is. I'm just about out, but I'll order more of this one for sure. 9/10
Banana Brulee (Cosmic Charlie's Chalk Dust) - buttermilk pancakes topped with caramelized bananas
I couldn't taste any pancake in this, but the banana and caramel come through well. 7/10
Green Fairy (Gypsy Juice) - absinthe, kiwi, and various spices
I'm not crazy about absinthe, so I won't give this a rating. I will say that it delivers what it promises and the flavors come through well. Once was enough for me though. I used an RDA for this one because I was sure just based on the description I wouldn't be able to handle a full tank.
Karma (Gypsy Juice) - peaches and cream custard
Tastes as great as it sounds. Peaches kind of take a back seat to cream, which hurts it just a bit. More peach would make this perfect. If you want a juice that's creamy and fuity, this one is worth checking out. 9/10
Lehua (Ono Kine) - strawberry and guava with cream
In contrast to Karma, the fruit is the star of the show here. Strong guava taste on the inhale with strawberry coming in a bit later, and the cream rounding it out on the exhale. The cream isn't as strong here, and I think it needs a bit more of that. 7/10
Monte Carlo (Victory Liquid) - tropical fruits
This is a fruit punch flavor, and I'm not into it. It's not bad, I'm just not big on fruit punch. It's got plenty of fruit, but I got generic fruit punch taste from it (think Arizona fruit punch). Maybe check it out if that's your thing, but it's not for me. 6/10
I also bought a few flavors from Nixteria(Juicy Vapor), but they're not really worth reviewing. They're all a 5/10. The flavor just isn't quite there. I bought from them when I first got into vaping, and I remember getting some good juice, so these might just be a few that weren't up to par. I'm not in a hurry to give them another shot though.
To end this post on a positive note, I'd like to plug Muffin Man from One Hit Wonder. It's an apple-cinnamon muffin flavor that gets everything right. You can only get it in 180ml bottles, so it's kind of pricey (~$60), but it's worth it. It's a perfect 10 in my book.
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Also class 1 narcotic, unfortunately.
Legally bought from store.
Really smart and speaking with a vocoder?
I just assumed it made you British.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/whats-in-all-that-vaping-smoke/2015/08/31/57fe8e58-2700-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html Just food for thought.
Dude, you have got to knock this shit off. Not every thread needs a dissenting opinion or a devil's advocate post.
I read it. It's hard for someone who has never smoked to understand the difference these devices can make. We made a terrible choice in the habit of tobacco use and these electronic devices are a step in the right direction for us. I know there is not a huge pool of research and the verdict is still out on the safety of ecigs and vaping, but an irrefutable truth is that thousands of people are claiming there is a physical difference in their health. Myself included. That's got to weigh into the equation somewhere.
If you are going to smoke might as well vape at least it doesn't smell horrendous.
That article opened my eyes to how awful ecigs really are. I'm going to switch back to tobacco so I can be safe. Hacking up a lung every morning is much better than inhaling those nasty chemicals from ejuice.
I'm open to hearing about the hazards vaping presents, but this article is straight fear-mongering written by someone who doesn't understand the subject.
Currently vaping: Muffin Man from One Hit Wonder - 9/10
There are lots of trash articles like the one posted above.
Then there are legit articles that should be spread.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review
I'll vape a little Heaven's Gate in the Big German for a bit...
I love Washington Post articles! They're often factually-correct but present their facts in a misleading fashion. The linked studies point out that chemicals exist in vape fluid which, when vaped, cause you to exceed your "workplace recommended exposure limits". This is referring to a NIOSH Recommended Exposure Limit (REL) which is defined as the average exposure concentration over a period of time roughly equivalent to a standard workday in most cases. While these are precursors to OSHA Permissible Exposure Limits (PELs), RELs lack the legal enforceability of a PEL. Washington Post cites an REL as evidence that these are bad for you and implies as much from the documented illnesses of the plant workers exposed to these chemicals during their workdays. However, since these chemicals are unregulated for workplace safety (manufacturers are not obligated to recognize RELs in any way; contrast with legally-required controls for PELs), we have no idea what exposure these plant workers received and how that compares with what you get from vaping a bottle of fluid.
NIOSH classes these chemicals as respiratory irritants; odds are you'll know pretty quick if you're having a bad reaction and not buy that flavor again. The rest of the article is FUD about how we need more data. That's cool, more data is always good. Also noteworthy is that at least two of the studies cited were performed by fervent anti-tobacco research groups and as such are inherently biased.
The UK article states that they've looked at this and found that vaping is less bad than cigarettes; arguably not saying much there.
No, I don't smoke. I can't stand bad science though. For a fun game, get a bottle of your favorite libation (or your favorite vice of choice), read this page, then read any mainstream news article and take a sip/shot/puff/hit every time you correctly identify one. Score one point for each article you complete while maintaining consciousness.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were appointed lord high arbiter of who can post an opinion. I'll be sure to run all my posts through you before I add them from here on out. Oh, and who gets the joy of approving your opinions? Or are you the only person who has carte blanche?
There's junk science all around when it comes to tobacco and tobacco-like products (and lets be honest, most of the junkiest junk comes from the industry, not from the safety groups... they kind of have a vested financial interest in keeping people smoking, just look at their history on fighting tobacco regulations and the way they fought the medical science on tobacco use). I just felt like maybe people should be presented with information on what they're inhaling into their lungs, since the companies that are putting these chemicals out aren't making that information readily available. Especially if there's anyone reading this who DOESN'T smoke or vape and thinks "hey, these guys are all saying it's safe and tasty, maybe I'll try it".
This has already happened. They were very explicitly advised that they shouldn't start if they don't currently.
For the UK article there is a link there to the 113 page report.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-evidence-update
Appointed lord high arbiter by the highest court, in fact: the court of common courtesy and decency.
I have opinions, but I don't feel the urge to blast those who don't align with my own. You were told once - in this very thread, even - to stop thread crapping and leave it be. You walked into a room full of people having quiet conversation, hanging out, showing off their equipment and sharing a commonality with one another, vaping, before taking it upon yourself to stand in the middle of the room and yell at them for being naive enough to think vaping was healthy.
Icrontians gathered at a coin collectors meeting showing off their wooden nickels, magnetized pennies, standing liberty quarters and here you come to stomp into the room and let everyone know coins are dead and credit cards are the way to go.
This isn't reddit. This isn't slashdot. This is Icrontic - we embrace this kind of togetherness and interest and provide a place for discussion to grow into friendship and bonds.
How would you feel if I wandered into your home ownership thread and took it upon myself to let you know why I felt that your purchase was a terrible decision, found an article on the web to support my thoughts on your terrible decision, and then left a passive-aggressive "welp, just thought you might find this interesting." Wouldn't that rub you the wrong way?
Should I have called you out in public? No, and I apologize for that. A PM would have been a good way to go. But you do this is so many threads, Ardi - you've got to just let some stuff go and let people enjoy what they want to enjoy.
My second Zamplebox got here a couple weeks ago. This one was better than the first. I used my Maganus tank on a Sigelei 150W for most of these. I got the Sigelei after my IPV4 died on me. The juice leaked out of my RDAs into the battery compartment and screwed up the contacts, and it kind of turned me off dripping. Anyway, onto the reviews.
Area 51 (ConspiracE-Liquid) - toffee flavored coffee
Mostly toffee in this one, with sweet coffee. I was hoping for a more bitter coffee flavor, but it's still great for what it is. I'm just about out, but I'll order more of this one for sure.
9/10
Banana Brulee (Cosmic Charlie's Chalk Dust) - buttermilk pancakes topped with caramelized bananas
I couldn't taste any pancake in this, but the banana and caramel come through well.
7/10
Green Fairy (Gypsy Juice) - absinthe, kiwi, and various spices
I'm not crazy about absinthe, so I won't give this a rating. I will say that it delivers what it promises and the flavors come through well. Once was enough for me though. I used an RDA for this one because I was sure just based on the description I wouldn't be able to handle a full tank.
Karma (Gypsy Juice) - peaches and cream custard
Tastes as great as it sounds. Peaches kind of take a back seat to cream, which hurts it just a bit. More peach would make this perfect. If you want a juice that's creamy and fuity, this one is worth checking out.
9/10
Lehua (Ono Kine) - strawberry and guava with cream
In contrast to Karma, the fruit is the star of the show here. Strong guava taste on the inhale with strawberry coming in a bit later, and the cream rounding it out on the exhale. The cream isn't as strong here, and I think it needs a bit more of that.
7/10
Monte Carlo (Victory Liquid) - tropical fruits
This is a fruit punch flavor, and I'm not into it. It's not bad, I'm just not big on fruit punch. It's got plenty of fruit, but I got generic fruit punch taste from it (think Arizona fruit punch). Maybe check it out if that's your thing, but it's not for me.
6/10
I also bought a few flavors from Nixteria(Juicy Vapor), but they're not really worth reviewing. They're all a 5/10. The flavor just isn't quite there. I bought from them when I first got into vaping, and I remember getting some good juice, so these might just be a few that weren't up to par. I'm not in a hurry to give them another shot though.
To end this post on a positive note, I'd like to plug Muffin Man from One Hit Wonder. It's an apple-cinnamon muffin flavor that gets everything right. You can only get it in 180ml bottles, so it's kind of pricey (~$60), but it's worth it. It's a perfect 10 in my book.
@Guppy Do you know the muffin man?
I wonder how many a night @Linc has geebled gleefully to himself with the hope that someone would one day trigger this.
@Thrax THE MUFFIN MAN. Do you know the muffin man?
About three, all told.
SOMEONE COMPLETE THE SEQUENCE.
I've never once said this on Icrontic, but here we go:
Please, God, please. I'm praying. Please make it stop jesus. Please #blessed IN jesus' name
@Thrax I hate you so much right now because you aren't here to witness the ULTIMATE GEEBLING
I swear, the first person that completes the sequence is getting banned.
He literally just punched me when I typed that
.......
who lives in Drury Lane?
Pretty sure only Hobbits live IN roads, @UPSLynx
WAAAWWWWWWW
The Muffin Man?
Who lives on Drury lane?
(pls work)
Nope, don't know how to end the sequence.