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TheLostSwede
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TheLostSwede
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3 Jul 2003, 7:39pm

Thumbs up Fixed the Tv out!

Ever since i bought my Radeon 9700 pro in Portland a while ago, i have had serious problems getting a good tv-out picture. I have tried settings after settings and driver after driver. No luck

I realised the other day that it has to be the Radeonīs bios that is causing this and i finally decided to try a new bios out, a bios that was already modded to put Pal out instead of NTSE.

Done in 5 minutes and i now have briliant picture out from the Radeon.

What you gotta do first is to make a copy of your existing bios so that if shat hits the fan, you can easily go back if you boot from a pci videocard.

* TheLostSwede can now watch a lot of church music on a bigger screen
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3 Jul 2003, 8:00pm
What TV have you got Mack? I tried mine with a crappy 14" portable bumma.

I really want to look at a decent 28" widescreen.
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3 Jul 2003, 8:10pm
I have to say, my TV out is great. Got a 28" TV in my bedroom. I drilled a hole from my computer room and run the cable through.

When I had my Geforce 4 MX420 the TV out was ok, nothing special and the colours were a bit off, but I thought it was the TV (cant complain got the thing for free).

Anyhow, when I got my 9800 and plugged in the TV out, I was amazed. Turned out it wasnt the TV it was the crap it was the video card (one more thing that the thing couldnt do properly).

Watched a divx rip of one of my DVD's in full screen with no problems with the colour. And it is so much easier to do with the ATI drivers than the NVIDIA one's. ATI's TV out gets top marks from me
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TheLostSwede
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TheLostSwede
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3 Jul 2003, 8:41pm
Iīve got a 100hz Sony 32" Widescreen, Shorty. The only thing i dont like with it is that when i play an NTSE movie from the puter, i get crappy picture at best. I know what it is, my svhs cable is going to an input in the tv where both system isnīt supported. I gotta buy a svhs-scart adapter, then i should be all set. That or converting movies to Pal.

You should still get pretty good picture on a 14" tv, but make sure you are playing a Pal file cause i doubt that little tv support NTSE. How long is it to your bigger tv or is that the only tv you got? I use a 20 foot svhs cable el-cheapo and it works as a charm.
Would be better with an oxygen free one though but i canīt afford it right now.
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3 Jul 2003, 8:52pm
The 14" does give quite good picture considering it's old as the hills. The tube has moved, so pictures are cut off on the left

I really do like the TV-out though on the 9700pro. It's really sharp in comparison to the nVidia Ti4200 I had. Really impressed.

Im gonna start shopping around for a new TV me thinks. I don't watch that much but considering the positive words of both you two radeon owners, plus my own experiences recently, Im warming to the idea.

I've got it rigged so that the TV-out adapter pipes picture into a SCART convertor and into the TV. The sound is from the sound card to my hifi (which has done my PC sound for years). Nice little setup that works well. Just need a decent TV now!

100hz really that good in comparison to 50hz?
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TheLostSwede
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3 Jul 2003, 8:58pm
Shorty said


100hz really that good in comparison to 50hz?
Like night and day, mate!

Well, if you have a crappy cable provider which i can assure you, doesnīt support 100hz, you wonīt see much of a difference.

But go digital with sattelite or when you play a DVD, Playstation or whatever, 100hz is the way.

Play UT @ 60 hz for an hour compared to playing it @ 100hz and see. Itīs miles between them.
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TheLostSwede
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10 Jul 2003, 5:34pm
Looks like i was happy to fast after all.
This is weird:

On SOME Divx, i can see the sexy lady that colombia/sony uses before the movie, but as soon the movie starts, i get a purple background. This is the same with all media proggys, Power dvd, WMP and winamp. I have tried different connector types, svhs, svhs-scart etc. and im sure it is on the rgb-in on the telly.

Other movies works perfectly though.

Any ideas?
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TheSmJ
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18 Jul 2003, 11:16am
I just have to mention... I believe the USA/Jap television standard is NTSC.


Sorry, it was driving my nuts...

Ohh, and it's "Color"..... I dunno where you people get your extra Us from...


* TheSmJ is happy with his 60Hz standard TV. He can live without the slightly higher rez.
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19 Jul 2003, 2:01am
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colour?!?! wtf?!
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TheLostSwede
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TheLostSwede
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19 Jul 2003, 2:09am
Most tellys can show both standards today, but for some reason, the mediaplayers on my install of 2K goes havoc in SOME cases. Purple screen instead of where it should be a picture. All formats.

BTW, we learned to spell right in school. Thatīs where we got the Colour from.
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19 Jul 2003, 3:09am
Question on TV out mates:

Do your pictures have to be PAL/NTSC compliant, or can I finally play my PAL DVD -> DiVX rips on my TV without the obnoxious signs of noncompliance?

Put more easily: Can I TV-out any resolution I please?

I know my DVD player doesn't like PAL (Centropy made that rather obvious), but I was wondering if my TV could also be a culprit in this nonsence.

Another tidbit of annoyance. My computer is bloody 15 metres from my TV, anyone know where I can acquire some good cabling (RCA only, my TV is old and sucky) for cheap?

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Thrax edited : 19 Jul 2003 at 3:14am .
TheLostSwede
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TheLostSwede
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19 Jul 2003, 12:02pm
Thrax said
Question on TV out mates:

Do your pictures have to be PAL/NTSC compliant, or can I finally play my PAL DVD -> DiVX rips on my TV without the obnoxious signs of noncompliance? For some reason, my files seem to be sensitive, but i think it has something to do with my 2k, i need a reinstall.

Put more easily: Can I TV-out any resolution I please?
No, the tv-out on the Radeons supports a maximum of 1024*768 but you need a projector, HDTV or a Plasma with a computer interface to show all pixels properly. The desktop looks weird on a tv, but a DivX looks good since it has a much lower resolution.

I know my DVD player doesn't like PAL (Centropy made that rather obvious), but I was wondering if my TV could also be a culprit in this nonsence. Does your TV have a RGB scart?And if you have, iīm almost sure it can do svhs through that scart as well and in MOST of the cases, multiformat can be shown through that scart.

Another tidbit of annoyance. My computer is bloody 15 metres from my TV, anyone know where I can acquire some good cabling (RCA only, my TV is old and sucky) for cheap? A 15 meter svhs cable should set you for 10-15 bucks, an adaptor from svhs to rca another 3 or 4 bucks. Or ,you can use the RCA video all the way from the videocard to your tv, but the quality will be worse with rca.
Iīm on IM if you need any help buddy.

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19 Jul 2003, 3:10pm
SVHS = Svideo right?

And no, my TV has no SCART. None of my equipment does, unfortunately. If I try to play PAL anything, the dvd looks like this:



Which is of course the signs of PAL signals on NTSC gear. Most unfortunate.
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Thrax edited : 19 Jul 2003 at 3:17pm .
Straight_Man
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Straight_Man
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19 Jul 2003, 3:18pm
scart:

http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/epreb...ing/SCART.html

In Europe and the UK, Super VHS is also used
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TheLostSwede
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19 Jul 2003, 3:57pm
Ok, Do you have a yellow rca looking input on the telly?
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Thrax
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19 Jul 2003, 4:10pm
My TV has RCA in/out. I could switch it with the TV upstairs that has svideo in/out however.

My DVD player has rca out, rgb out, optical out, and svideo out.

My VHS has RGB in/out.

My cable tuner has digital out, coax out, optical out, rgb out, and svideo out.
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Thrax edited : 19 Jul 2003 at 4:13pm .
TheLostSwede
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TheLostSwede
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19 Jul 2003, 4:37pm
And you had a radeon, right?

Then just use a svhs cable from the radeon into a rca-adapter into the telly. The bios on the Rdeons are very easy to configure to do pal, itīs just a switch. However, im not sure if your telly is able to show pal. Maybe that VHS you have can recieve pal and convert it to NTSC? Most newer VHS does that.
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19 Jul 2003, 4:55pm
Okie doke.

We'll see how it goes when I pick up the requisite cables. Hell, I might just drop a TV right next to my computer. heh.
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Thrax edited : 19 Jul 2003 at 4:59pm .
TheLostSwede
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19 Jul 2003, 5:06pm
The bigger the screen, the better the Bible show.
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