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Lincoln
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23 Mar 2005, 5:46am

Quick-and-Dirty Guide to Start Folding!

How to starting folding for Team 93

A QUICK and DIRTY guide for newcomers to folding. These responses are very general and will work for most people out there.


Download the folding program. You can get it from Stanford University's folding download page.

For Windows, we recommend the "Console client only".

If you use the console you should make a folder called "folding" in your C:\ drive. Save the file in there. Then run it.

If you have a dual core system***, also make a "folding2" folder in your C:\ drive and copy the install file to there ALSO.

For the install in the "folding" (first) folder:
  1. Type in your desired username.
  2. Type in 93 for the team number. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT - if you get the number wrong, you won't be folding for Icrontic!
  3. The third question asks, "Launch automatically at machine startup, installing this as a service?" - We recommend you answer YES. Otherwise you will have to manually start the program after every reboot.
  4. Leave the passkey blank, and everything as default (just hit enter) unless told otherwise here:
  5. Yes to Advanced settings
  6. Yes to install as a service (automatic)
For the "folding2" (second) folder (if you have dual core):
  1. Repeat steps 1-6 above
  2. Set "Machine ID" to 2
If you have more cores, just keep making more folders and keep incrementing the Machine ID.

All done! Check to make sure your CPU is getting completely used (ctrl-alt-delete to check the Task Manager and look at the Processes tab). If it isn't start a thread and ask for help

***If you have a multi-core CPU there is the SMP client that will use all CPU cores with the launch of one folding applications. This client requires a password for the user account it is running under but that user account can be set so no password is required at log on. Here you can see some of the benefits of running SMP vs. single core clients and this is a step-by-step guide for making sure the SMP client is installed as a service so it automatically launches when your computer loads windows.

Got consoles stuck on your taskbar? Use TrayIt to force them to your system tray and out of the way


You're doing a good thing!

Courtesy of primesuspect and Keebler (updated Nov 19 2008)
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24 Mar 2005, 3:15pm
Can I say for point 5 that you can also start folding by going in Admin Tools > Services and starting client from there so you don't have to restart your computer.

btw, great guide
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n_ver_ending
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4 Apr 2006, 6:47pm
I did it...so how do I know it is working after I reboot?
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4 Apr 2006, 6:56pm
Check Task Manager and you should see two processes beginning with "FAH", one of which should be using a high percentage of the CPU.

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n_ver_ending
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4 Apr 2006, 7:25pm
hahahaha...damn...97% of my CPU is being used by folding.

I am glad to see it is working.
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4 Apr 2006, 8:11pm


Don't worry about the high CPU usage - when you open other programs Folding will automatically drop off to give them priority.
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n_ver_ending
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4 Apr 2006, 8:19pm
Nice, Thank you...

I have a question...the "team #93" icon you have under you names...can I get that too?
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4 Apr 2006, 8:25pm
In your User CP under "Edit Profile" you can enter your FAH username and it should show up.
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4 Apr 2006, 8:55pm
Thank youuuuuu = )
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keto
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2 Jul 2006, 9:19am
Errm. Rusty. Looking for directions on how to set up 2 instances on a P4. Looked around a bit, couldn't find it. Man, I used to know this stuff cold
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2 Jul 2006, 1:24pm
Keto
Just create a folder for F@H then inside it create a folder named F@H1 and another named F@H2. Then put one exe of the console version in each but don't start yet. Then go back and start each one and set each as a service. Set the one in folder 1 as machine id =1 and folder 2 as machine id =2. It is that simple!
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Kentigern
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17 Nov 2006, 11:30am

Question What next??

Apoligises to All I'm abit of But have followed your instructions so far.

Ok I downloaded FH - task manager says using 50% - OK
How will I know when a unit is finished. How would I open the console?

When the prog first set it self up, it asked about 5mb project, wasn't sure whether to answer yes (as I have 512mb ram) so I answered no if I put more ram in my pc can I change this - how?

thanks all
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17 Nov 2006, 3:09pm
Welcome to the team, Kentigern.

A lot of us use a program called Electron Microscope (EMIII) to monitor our progress.

As for the 50% CPU usage, was that your intent? It may be that you have an HT processor, in which case you can add a second console and really boost your production.

With 512MB of RAM you are right in the borderline area of having enough memory to run the larger (5MB+) WUs. If you have an HT machine and add a second instance I would say not to go for them. In either case, adding memory will probably give your whole system a boost.

The console can be reconfigured at any time. Look here for the Reconfiguring The FAH Console item for easy instructions.
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Kentigern
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17 Nov 2006, 3:38pm
Hi Prof
Thanks for the welcome Great to be here

cpu usage read 50 looked against FAH in process list it said 50 as well.

(Am learning a lot today)

What is a HT processor ? Cause if I have one I will set up another FH folder.

Where would I get that little red cog with comet tail (seen it on other threads) from.

How would I know what sort of ram I have, so I can buy some more?
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17 Nov 2006, 3:56pm
Quoting Kentigern
...What is a HT processor ? Cause if I have one I will set up another FH folder.
HT stands for HyperThreading and is found on some Intel CPU's. In order for it to work the computer needs to have a motherboard capable of supporting it and it needs to be enabled in the BIOS. There is a nifty little (free) program called the Belarc Advisor which can tell you practically everything you need to know about your machine.

Where would I get that little red cog with comet tail (seen it on other threads) from.
That's one of our custom smilies, created by our fellow member DogSoldier. If you are responding to a post you can click the More link in the Smilies box and find it there.





How would I know what sort of ram I have, so I can buy some more?
Belarc will tell you that, too. With RAM prices being quite reasonable these days you might consider replacing your current memory, since it's always a crapshoot matching older RAM with newer stuff. If you do have HT capability you will probably want to get a matched pair of Dual-Channel memory sticks.
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17 Nov 2006, 4:21pm
Thanks Prof
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the_technocrat
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17 Nov 2006, 9:44pm
maybe we should have people install to a fah1 directory no matter what...it doesn't hurt anything, and there's minimal change to the instructions if they have a dual-core or HT processor...? (Basically: 'do everything over again, but change 'fah1' to 'fah2'...')
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Good idea.... I'll look at editing that. Simple change and makes it easier to explain for dual core/ Hyperthread systems.
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Tim
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20 Nov 2006, 3:52am
Here are the settings I normally use when setting up a console folding application. Tell me what I'm doing right and wrong, and why it would be better some other way. I saw some differences between my way and the recommended way.

After selecting a folder in which to put the Fah program, here's what I use for settings:

User name - Tim225
Team - 93
Launch automatically at machine startup - Yes
Ask before sending / fetching work - No
Use IE Settings - Yes
Allow receipt of work assignments greater than 5 MB - That depends on the computer and how much available RAM it has.

Change advanced options - Yes
Core priority - Idle
CPU usage - 100%
Disable highly optimized assembly code - No
Pause if battery power is being used - No
Interval between checkpoints - 15
Memory in MB to indicate - This is a new one in 5.04 compared to 5.02, apparently. The laptop I was putting it on to type this post showed 255 MB available, so I typed in 255.
Request work units without deadlines - Yes
Minimize networking - get and submit work in batches - No
Ignore deadline information - No
Machine ID - 8



I once had a computer start trouble when I made the Machine ID "1", so after that I used "8" and never had a problem.

What difference does it make if you use internet explorer settings or not?
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20 Nov 2006, 3:55pm
Quoting Tim
Use IE Settings - Yes
Pause if battery power is being used - No
Request work units without deadlines - Yes
I'd adjust these three.

- IE7 breaks F@H.
- pausing under battery helps battery life tremendously. I'd imagine the hour or two you can fold on battery power isn't worth the hassle of killing the battery off that quickly, in terms of your own inconvenience...ymmv...
- I thought Stanford stopped issuing deadline-free WU's?
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20 Nov 2006, 4:35pm
Quoting the_technocrat
...I thought Stanford stopped issuing deadline-free WU's?...
You are correct.

Back when they were available they were wonderful for AMD machines. Ask for them now and you stand a good chance of getting nothing at all.

Stanford says that there are very few projects which can be done via timeless WU's, so staying away from them will direct your efforts to the areas where the research is most needed. The only reason anyone should ask for the timeless WU's is if they are still using a K6-2/300 or some such and flat-out can't finish a regular WU before the deadline is reached.
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n_ver_ending
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22 Nov 2006, 4:33am
How can i remove the microscope from my computer? I never use it so I figure I am going to take it off and leave let the folding continues as it was before I installed it.
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profdlp
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22 Nov 2006, 4:40am
Delete the EMIII folder from Program Files and remove the shortcut from the Startup group and you'll have it gone.
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Trev
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5 Feb 2007, 6:40am
what is team93 folding@home?
how does it use our computer power to run calculations?
will it make my computer run any slower?
and does it take up much memory?
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Trogan
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5 Feb 2007, 10:13am
Hey Trev,

This thread should answer most of your questions.
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Trev
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6 Feb 2007, 1:06am
I just dont get how a computer knows how to find cures for things if it was that simple why dont we just let our computers find the cure for every disease out there...
computers always get there info from somewhere some person so why dont we just find the person who put the info on the internet for cures and use that?
computers arent humans they dont have the knowledge we do....
they all get there info from someone
some person.....

I would really like to join this thing but i just dont see how it would help...
I really like helping people and all but... i dont know
If anyone can give me some answers on how a computer can find out info better than humans i will download it
I just need to understand it better
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6 Feb 2007, 1:21am
Hi Trev,it is really simple you let the researchers at Stanford do the hard part, they design the computer algorithms that do the work and let them use the spare clock cycle's on your PC do the number crunching. and hopefully some time soon we'll all feel better when they can cure these diseases or prevent them.


PS> it works for me and I am a biology graduate with some computer knowledge
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6 Feb 2007, 1:28am
Trev,

Try this link, http://folding.stanford.edu/

This is basically the Folding "Mothership". Lots of good info and a more precise description of what we are working on.
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6 Feb 2007, 1:40am
The computer doesn't find the cure ...people do. The computer is merely a tool to sort and unsort the genome. The computer speeds up the tasks that would take men thousands of years to do. Maybe more.
Through this process the genome is being mapped. There is still much to do but some of the mapping has been done. It's like trying to put together the Bible or the Encyclopedia Britanica word by word ...and all of the words are scrambled. Some of the sentences and paragraphs are complete.
Folding isn't for everyone of course. But every little bit helps to solve the huge puzzle.
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6 Feb 2007, 1:58am
Trev, in case you missed the other thread where you asked this same question, here is another response.
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6 Feb 2007, 2:59am
Ok, let me try
It's like this all our pcs are folding and giving info on the folds and when they see the simulaity in them they mark them. and when they see simulaity in a person being tested that could mean early detection.
Early detection means it can be addressed before it get to the point of no return.
Ok that's how I see it
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Trev
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6 Feb 2007, 5:17am
ok I think i pretty much understant it now!
its kind of like physics we have to find the formula to get the answers and then once we find the formula we plug it all into a calculator to do the work for us
so we do all the hard part in finding the formulas and the calculators just make it easier and faster to find the answers!
im probably way off... but hey atleast I kind of see how computers can help
Im going to download it!
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6 Feb 2007, 6:16am
Trev, if you need any assistance setting up the Folding@Home program, please let us know. You are welcomed to our team.
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6 Feb 2007, 7:50am
Quoting Trev
ok I think i pretty much understant it now!
its kind of like physics we have to find the formula to get the answers and then once we find the formula we plug it all into a calculator to do the work for us
so we do all the hard part in finding the formulas and the calculators just make it easier and faster to find the answers!
im probably way off... but hey atleast I kind of see how computers can help
Im going to download it!
Welcome to the Team Trev

Some further info for you.
A super computer has a peak capacity. That is, if a workload is three times the capacity of the computer, the jobs must be "queued up" and attacked consecutively. A project like this one might take so much time that a researcher wouldn't even embark on ithe or she wouldn't see the end result in their lifetime. However, with distributed computing, thousands or even millions of individual computers can each work on different molecules/proteins simultaneously, and the time to results can be significantly lessened.

This can mean that illness like cancer is tackled quicker, drugs are better targeted to the particular disease, with less side effects to the patient.
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As far as settings go, my machines are rarely interupted, so I set interval to 30 min. I figure any less time wasted writing is good.
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9 Feb 2007, 8:00am
Quoting profdlp View Post
Delete the EMIII folder from Program Files and remove the shortcut from the Startup group and you'll have it gone.
I mixed the EMIII in with my FOLDING folder...how can i tell them apart?
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9 Feb 2007, 2:02pm
I mixed the EMIII in with my FOLDING folder...how can i tell them apart?
Eeek!

Unfortunately in this case, EMII does not use an install/uninstall utility, so you will have to do this uninstall by hand. Attached are the files and directories that come with and are generated by EMIII. Deleting these by hand should not impact the FAH instance.

While the author does not care that you install it into the FAH directory, I would, for this very reason, install it next time into its own directory. Then you can remove EMIII much more simply.
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10 Feb 2007, 1:01am
Quoting Oriane View Post
Eeek!

Unfortunately in this case, EMII does not use an install/uninstall utility, so you will have to do this uninstall by hand. Attached are the files and directories that come with and are generated by EMIII. Deleting these by hand should not impact the FAH instance.

While the author does not care that you install it into the FAH directory, I would, for this very reason, install it next time into its own directory. Then you can remove EMIII much more simply.
I believe I deleted all the ones that matched off my computer. If that is all, then I am good to go
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10 Feb 2007, 4:32am
Cool... See what a good team we have!!
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17 Mar 2007, 7:50pm
I am sure this question was as in another thread, but I can't find it now that I need. I have a laptop and when I need to go wireless F@H sucks up the battery life in about 10 minutes. How can I pause it?
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17 Mar 2007, 8:11pm
There is a setting in the F@H configuration, the screen that shows up when your first install Folding, that allows for a "Pause" setting when the laptop is on battery. It really works.

Here's how to change the configuration:

-- turn off Folding
-- create a shortcut of the F@H starting icon and put it on your deskdtop
-- right click on that icon, then select properties, then select the "Shortcut" tab
-- scroll to the right end of the 'Target' field. It should look like this "......exe." Delete anything that follows the (") marke.
-- now, after ", add this flag, -configonly, that is a space after the exe" followed by -configonly.
-- close the properties window and click on your modified icon. it will open the config file. when you get to the point where it asks you if you wish to change advanced settings, enter y or yes. you will get to a setting where you can enter 'yes' for Folding to pause when the laptop is on battery power.
-- after you have made the change to the configuration, and you have closed the properties window, DELETE that shortcut on your desktop. It will save the configuration change, but your other shortcuts will still work.
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23 Mar 2007, 8:12am
Hey everyone! Just wanted to introduce myself and say that I started folding today. I came upon this on accident when looking for info on some spyware for a friend! I'm really glad I found it though. I keep my computer on a LOT (even over night!) and all it does is waste electricity. Now it's actually doing something helpful! Well, it's really late and I'm bushed. Thank you for introducing me to F@H!
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23 Mar 2007, 8:16am
Thank you so much for joining our team. We welcome you now as full-fledged teammate!

Please stay at the forums and be active. No matter your skill level or experience, you will find respect here.

Did you set your Folding client's configuration to Team 93? Please say yes!
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23 Mar 2007, 8:55am
Quoting Leonardo
Thank you so much for joining our team. We welcome you now as full-fledged teammate!

Please stay at the forums and be active. No matter your skill level or experience, you will find respect here.

Did you set your Folding client's configuration to Team 93? Please say yes!
I assure you that I did. I was a little unsure of how to configure everything at first, but I got it and it's working great. ^^
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23 Mar 2007, 10:56am
Welcome to the team
Poke around the forum and have some fun.
We're not all geeks, but we do enjoy being here.
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Welcome!
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23 Mar 2007, 3:06pm
Welcome to the folding family!!!
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23 Mar 2007, 6:11pm
Glad to have you here, Muratsuki.
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n_ver_ending
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6 May 2007, 11:31pm
Quoting Leonardo
There is a setting in the F@H configuration, the screen that shows up when your first install Folding, that allows for a "Pause" setting when the laptop is on battery. It really works.

Here's how to change the configuration:

-- turn off Folding
-- create a shortcut of the F@H starting icon and put it on your deskdtop
-- right click on that icon, then select properties, then select the "Shortcut" tab
-- scroll to the right end of the 'Target' field. It should look like this "......exe." Delete anything that follows the (") marke.
-- now, after ", add this flag, -configonly, that is a space after the exe" followed by -configonly.
-- close the properties window and click on your modified icon. it will open the config file. when you get to the point where it asks you if you wish to change advanced settings, enter y or yes. you will get to a setting where you can enter 'yes' for Folding to pause when the laptop is on battery power.
-- after you have made the change to the configuration, and you have closed the properties window, DELETE that shortcut on your desktop. It will save the configuration change, but your other shortcuts will still work.
--
Hi there,
first question, how do i turn off F@H?
second, from what file do I make a shortcut, I have had folding for a while.

I feel so long and it looks so simple to do.
Sorry
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