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Lincoln

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20 Sep 2006, 4:48am

SM Review: Samsung SyncMaster 225BW LCD

Check out lemonlime's latest review, the Samsung SyncMaster 225BW LCD Monitor, just published on Short-Media's front page.

The Samsung 225BW is a bit of an odd-ball at twenty two inches. Twenty and twenty four inches have traditionally been the widescreen choices available so it is great to see an offering right in the middle. The 225BW is part of Samsung's 'B' series of monitors, which seem to target the every-day consumer and home user. The models in this family are priced accordingly.

Please feel free to leave feedback. Thanks!

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20 Sep 2006, 5:43am

Thanks for the review. It was to-the-point and very easy to digest.

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27 Sep 2006, 6:43pm

I just went last week to get the Samsung 240 there top rated 19''. When I got in the store they where setting up this 22''. For the price I could not pass it up. So far it is a great monitor. I was very pleased to see your review. I think you hit it right on the button.

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27 Sep 2006, 6:47pm

Awesome Review once again I so want to upgrade my monitors... seems to be the last thing on my list

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27 Sep 2006, 8:32pm

haha my old man went and got one last week!

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lemonlime

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27 Sep 2006, 11:41pm

Glad you guys liked the review

I'd love to hear some feedback regarding the backlight bleed on your 225BWs. Please let us know how your monitor does!

Definitely a great bang for the buck.

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vincit

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10 Oct 2006, 11:50am

Hey guys, I'd love to hear any opinions on the samsung 225bw, and the backlighting issue (which, according to the updated review, should mostly be a start-up-glitch)

GnomeWizardd and Wingster, you both have the screens within range, have you seen any backlighting issues?

Thanks in advance!

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SailrYoda

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13 Oct 2006, 3:40am

I recently bought this monitor not too long ago. Great review, pretty much hit all the marks on this monitor. I did not know the backlight is fixed on some of the newer batches of these monitors. I have some pretty bad backlight problems, especially front and bottom. I have contrast and brightness down and still did not help. Wondering if I should call Samsung to return to get one of their newly made ones. Backlight is definately noticeable when black background or when watching movies. Not a huge deal, but still could have been better. Would like to see backlight control button like on my previous monitor (which was a sony). A good feature, this way you can get the backlight where its not so overwhelming and you get some decent black level out of it. Overall a great monitor for the money, bigger than I thought it was going to be. Its huge..

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Herpiili

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15 Oct 2006, 1:21pm

This monitor uses CMO panel, check these screenshots out:

http://www.sweclockers.com/forum/sho...hreadid=623893

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lemonlime

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15 Oct 2006, 9:43pm

Thank you very much for the information Herpiili.

Looks like it does indeed use a CMO panel after all. There has been a lot of confusion surrounding the panel used in the 225BW. It was originally speculated that it was a CMO S-MVA panel (which turned out to be false). The viewing angles of the 225BW are much better than your average TN, so it seemed very possible. Samsung then updated the specs online to indicate it is a TN panel, and at around the same time, a samsung 22" TN panel module was listed in their lineup with identical specs to the 225BW. I wonder if Samsung intends to transition the 225BW to the Samsung TN panel eventually. At any rate, I am glad that the mystery is solved for now. I really should have opened up the monitor, but since I have to send them back to Samsung, I am a little hesitant to start dismantling them

My apologies for the confusion.

I have submitted a revision to our Managing Editor to reflect this information in the review.

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lemonlime

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17 Oct 2006, 2:43pm

The article has been revised in light of new panel information. Sorry for the confusion everyone.

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JohnP

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20 Oct 2006, 8:45pm

Picked up this monitor last sunday, and I think I'm going to bring it back.
I have it connected to a Nvidia Quadro FX with an HP 19" TFT on the second port and no matter what I do to the Samsung I cannot get the color to match between them.

The samsung was way too bright out of the box, the colors are off, and the bleeding is present all around. (Not on the right side, but everywhere listed in the review.)

A call to Samsung told me the monitor was made in August 06, which isn't that far off, but I just can't understand why I have that much bleeding with a black screen.

Game playing was nice. I cranked Far Cry up to full resolution and it was very pretty.

I'm just frustrated with having to tweak the colors so much in windows to get it to look right. My significant other also comments about the poor color, and wants to know what I'm going to do about it.

I hate to return it, because I don't want to spend more $$ for another 2" if I go higher, or lose 2" if I go lower.

Right now though, I'm leaning towards returning it....

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22 Oct 2006, 3:27pm

Quoting JohnP

Picked up this monitor last sunday, and I think I'm going to bring it back.
I have it connected to a Nvidia Quadro FX with an HP 19" TFT on the second port and no matter what I do to the Samsung I cannot get the color to match between them.

The samsung was way too bright out of the box, the colors are off, and the bleeding is present all around. (Not on the right side, but everywhere listed in the review.)

A call to Samsung told me the monitor was made in August 06, which isn't that far off, but I just can't understand why I have that much bleeding with a black screen.

Game playing was nice. I cranked Far Cry up to full resolution and it was very pretty.

I'm just frustrated with having to tweak the colors so much in windows to get it to look right. My significant other also comments about the poor color, and wants to know what I'm going to do about it.

I hate to return it, because I don't want to spend more $$ for another 2" if I go higher, or lose 2" if I go lower.

Right now though, I'm leaning towards returning it....

Hi JohnP, Welcome to Short-Media!

Thank you very much for contributing feedback on the 225BW. The color is definitely off by default. I found it to be much to 'cool'. I noticed that you had a Quadro FX card, are you into graphics design/photo work? If so, I don't think the 225BW will be a monitor you will be happy with. It was never really intended towards graphics professionals. With some tuning, it should be fine for the every day home consumer.

As far as the backlight bleed, I'm hoping this issue will be corrected. Unlike some color inaccuracy, it is much more difficult to live with.

If you don't want to go all the way down to a 20" widescreen panel, check out the SyncMaster 215TW. It is a much higher quality panel and only an inch smaller than the 225BW. I'm reviewing it now and I can tell you that the color reproduction is top-notch and the backlight uniformity and black reproduction is way better than the 225BW. It costs a little more, but you also get a lot of other features (tons of AV inputs, better ergonomics etc). Definitely worth a look.

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csimon

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22 Oct 2006, 4:21pm

Very awesome lemonlime ...I've been waiting for come out with a monitor just like this one for the price. I'll take two once the bleed issue is resolved!
I'll wait on the 215 review thanks!

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MajorPain51

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22 Oct 2006, 4:26pm

Quoting MajorPain51

I too thought about Samsung, but found only negitive reviews, other than here. It seems backlight bleed and poor presets for color are the norm. I called Samsung tech and was told there are about 80 techs. maning phones, my tech sited no calls to him on backlight but calls on dead pixels have come in. Thier dead pixel policy turned me off. There must be a group or line of them to be considered for exchange! I found a Viewsonic at Office
Depot, $399.99 with $20.00 rebate. Picture was great, colors perfect and no dead pixels, on display unit or the one one I took home. Has same specs as Samsung, Acer and Chi Mei 22' units. Stand does not adjust and buttons are small, but performance is great and that;s what it's all about. Go to "behardware.com",". "techtree.com" and "bcchardware" for tests of 22s. Good luck!

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JohnP

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23 Oct 2006, 5:05pm

Quoting lemonlime

Hi JohnP, Welcome to Short-Media!

Thank you very much for contributing feedback on the 225BW. The color is definitely off by default. I found it to be much to 'cool'. I noticed that you had a Quadro FX card, are you into graphics design/photo work? If so, I don't think the 225BW will be a monitor you will be happy with. It was never really intended towards graphics professionals. With some tuning, it should be fine for the every day home consumer.

The card is an 'on load' card for a while. I don't do that much graphic/design work at all at home. Mostly email, a few games, some db work for my comic collection, but that's it. I had an ATI -- I want to say 9700, don't quote me on that -- but it continually over heated on me. Once i got this Quadro -- I'll never go to anything except nvidia.

Quoting lemonlime

As far as the backlight bleed, I'm hoping this issue will be corrected. Unlike some color inaccuracy, it is much more difficult to live with.

I can't for the life of me figure out how something like this got past QA there.

I can say that I used a program I found on the net and managed to get the color scheme to a much better .... level? display?

It looks better, and the Significant Other was much happier with the picture.

I have until next Sunday to decide. I haven't gamed with it yet with the new settings, so I need to do that before making the ultimate decision.
Once I find the program again, I'll post the name here...

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Lincoln

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26 Oct 2006, 3:45pm

I split off posts related to the 215TW for clarity's sake

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astroman

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29 Oct 2006, 4:47am

I am about 1 hour into using this monitor. This is my first LCD, and I am replacing a Samsung 955DF (19"). To start with, my eyes are pretty sensitive, and eyesight itself is a bit poor (glasses). The native resolution pushes me to my limit (even with all "largest text" options I can find turned on). However, by biggest issue is the sunburn it seems to be giving me. This is the brightest thing that I have ever sat in front of. Literally, it is comparable to looking at a full moon through my telescope. I turn away and can's see detail on my girlfriend's face for about 2 minutes. I have the brightness turned down to 4% and the contrast down to about 30% (lower on either, and things turn gray). I haven't even started with color/bleeding issues, as the brightness is my first priority. I am just wondering if I have any other options, besides those basic controls. Any and all advice will be welcome. Thank you.

-Kris

PS I hope to get this issue resolved, because with the crappy customer service policies at CompUSA, Circuit City, Best Buy, etc., they now charge a restocking fee for returns. Gone are the days of customer satisfaction.

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Thrax

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29 Oct 2006, 5:00am

A characteristic of LCDs is brightness. That's the way it goes for all of them, frankly. There is no fix because it's not really a flaw.. I hate to put it so bluntly, but that's really the case on almost all quality LCDs. They're bright and clear.

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LazyGun

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1 Nov 2006, 3:00pm

Well I have just recently received my 225BW LCD. And I have to admit I love the monitor but also have problems with light Bleeding from the top and bottom of the monitor.

I found my monitor color was slightly too RED for my taste but once I backed off the red it seems fine now. The Blues are sometimes too Vibrant but when I lower the color they seem too washed. I'm hoping there is something I can do with a gamma adjustment, but I am no expert at adjusting monitors.

I love the Adjustable stand and the range it gives me, but one complaint I have is that it stretches all the 4:3 settings. Maybe I'm missing a setting somewhere.

As far as quality control overlooking the back light bleed, I think it may be they want as much screen as possible. But since I don't watch many movies and mostly surf or game that light bleed is a negligible issue for me. I've read on another forum that the Silver one seems to be better about controlling the light bleed, but there is no confirmation.

I love it. Except for the 4:3 stretching and slight bleed during dark games.

Quoting JohnP

I can say that I used a program I found on the net and managed to get the color scheme to a much better .... level? display?

It looks better, and the Significant Other was much happier with the picture.

I have until next Sunday to decide. I haven't gamed with it yet with the new settings, so I need to do that before making the ultimate decision.
Once I find the program again, I'll post the name here...

I was hoping you'd found the program name again and let us all know what you used. I know I spent hours adjusting mine and I'm pretty happy. I may see if I can borrow a monitor calibration tool from our art department.

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LazyGun edited : 1 Nov 2006 at 6:08pm .

palmfern

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26 Nov 2006, 2:33am

Hello,

I just bought one 225BW from Circuit City. I hooked it up and just like eveyone, it's just too bright. Also the back light bleeding is obvious. I did the exchange and the new one has similar problem. Even though the I was using a Dell 1801FP for 4 years, compared with this samsung, 1801FP is a much better one. I played with the setting a little bit, seems the low brightness and low contrast is better. The color on 225BW is also quite different from 1801FP, overall I like 1801FP better.

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jeffthompson

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2 Dec 2006, 9:29pm

[quote=vincit]Hey guys, I'd love to hear any opinions on the samsung 225bw, and the backlighting issue (which, according to the updated review, should mostly be a start-up-glitch)

Hi.
Got the monitor yesterday, only noticed the backlight "problem " when I put the system in standby. It's definitely there, but it's not a problem for me. I use the screen for text mostly and some Photoshop.
Incidentally, the Samsung website doesn't list the 225bw as being supported by MagicTune. Is it?

jeff

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Atar3on

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13 Dec 2006, 12:41am

Hey everyone, new guy here with some questions for you.

I purchased the Samsung 225BW about a month ago and while I've been quite happy with my purchase, there is one thing I'd like to know about. The 225BW has a DVI port which is HDCP compliant. That means it should work fine with just about any HDCP compliant cable box with either a DVI port or an HDMI as long as you have a DVI to HDMI converter, right? Well I went out and bought a DVI to HDMI converter cable and have connected both. I turned on the cable box and the monitor, but get this message -

Not Optimum Mode
Recommended Mode:
1680x1050 60Hz

Since my cable box is currently set to 1080i I'm assuming that's why I'm seeing that message and would probably just need to change the box settings to 720p for it to get a signal (something I'll have to figure out how to do).

However, I also have my Xbox 360 connected as well and it can force a 1080 image to appear, but with the image obviously extending way off screen on all sides because it's not the native res of the monitor. If that can happen then why doesn't the monitor display a 1080i image the same way when connected to the cable box instead of giving me the above message? Not that I want it to work that way, but I'm just curious.

Lastly, has anyone else here successfully used the 225BW with a cable box yet? If so, please post pics and your impressions.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Firenza

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25 Dec 2006, 3:35pm

Just bought the Samsung Syncmaster 225BW and am connected up to Mac G-4, OSX10.1.5. The problem I have is that the objects on the screen are streched horizontally. The icon of a CD is oval shaped, wider from side-to-side than top-to-bottom. My display otions in System Preferences-Monitor-SncMaster are 1280 x 1024. (Other available settings oprions are 1024 x 768 and smaller)
Is a driver the answer? Are drivers available somewhere for a wide screen monitor?

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Firenza

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25 Dec 2006, 4:13pm

Samsung SyncMaster 225BW LCD on MAC G-4 OSX

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Atar3on

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25 Dec 2006, 5:33pm

Since the native resolution of your monitor is 1680x1050 with an aspect ratio of 16:10, your best bet would normally be to set your resolution to 1680x1050 which is what I have mine set to. However, since your video card apparently doesn't support anything higher than 1280x1024, you need to find a resolution which would scale appropriately to the 16:10 aspect. Your closest one would probably be 1280x720 (which would scale perfectly for a 16:9 monitor) if you have that resolution available.

Granted, even with that setting it's not going to be perfect though as you will get some vertical stretching because the monitor is 16:10, but it probably wont be as noticable as the horizontal stretching is. In the end though, if you want everything to look perfect then you'll need to upgrade the video card in your Mac (if it's possible) so you can get 1680x1050. Hope that helps.

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Dreven

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25 Dec 2006, 5:51pm

Santa just dropped one of these off for Christmas.

I've been using a 19" Samsung Dynaflat D955 CRT for the last couple of years (wfie gets the hand-me-down now..). This was an amazing upgrade.

My wife got this for me a week ago at Best Buy. The Manufacture Date is November 2006. I assume the popularity of this monitor is causing a good turnover and keeping store stock production dates very close to the current date.

I don't have a clue about anything but I set my screensaver to "blank" to get a totally black output. There is ambient daylight in this room but when the monitor went to full blank/black from the screensaver I could see no backlight bleed through at all. Was that good enough for a backlight test?? Maybe they fixed it and I got lucky with a model made after the fix!

So far gaming is freaking sweet on this thing. I've tried about 20 games and they all rock. The monitor adusts well when there's no widescreen support in game. A couple of games I've tried with that support the native widescreen resolution of this monitor are (1680x1050 @ 60hz): Medival II Total War, Call Of Duty 2. The only thing negative I could say about gaming with this monitor is that you really need some good hardware to pump through that high default resolution of this monitor. I think an 8800 GPU is overkill for most people but the 7000 series of NVIDIA cards is probably good enough.

I hope that whole MS "Games for Windows" logo thing with the required Widescreen support kicks in and all new games by default support the native rez of this monitor.

I'm so very happy. Gaming just got a lot more fun!

(omg Medival II Total War on this monitor paired with an 8800GTS is liquid butter-sauce with chocolate on top!)

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EDITS: Yes, this monitor was freaking blinding out of the box. I've got it set up pretty well so far though.

OPPS! I almost forgot one of my favorite things about the monitor! : I downloaded "Magic Tune" off Samsungs website. If it came on the driver CD I missed it. It is really super sweet to change the settings of this monitor with the mouse and an OS app, rather thank screwing round with the buttons. If you don't have it get it.

Ahh... new forum account - I can't stick in the image of magic tune - here's a pic though:
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Atar3on

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25 Dec 2006, 6:29pm

Dreven,

Glad you like it. I've been totally enjoying mine for the past month and a half. PC gaming rocks on these bad boys, so I'm in total agreement with you there.

Half Life 2 and it's Eps, Oblivion, Prey, and the list goes on.

As for backlight bleeding, a test during normal daylight is probably not the best time of day to do it. If you really want to test it properly, do it with the lights off at night and then you'll see how much bleed is coming through. Mine has virtually none, with only faint traces at the top and bottom, but you really have to look closely to even tell that it's there.

My only real complaint about this monitor is that the OSD settings don't offer all the same stuff that the MagicTune software does. I'd really like to adjust the settings for the VGA side where I have my 360 connected because the black levels for some games aren't the best and tend to look a bit washed out. But that's a minor gripe so besides that I couldn't be happier.

Anyway, glad you like it and welcome to the 225BW club.

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OtisBF

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27 Dec 2006, 11:39pm

Just got the 225 today from Futureshop for $400CDN. so far things look great except for the bleeding.. got about 1/2 inch on the top and bottom, dont really notice it on the sides at all. going to wait till nighttime to get a better idea of how bad it is and decide if I want to exchange it for another in the hopes of getting a lucky one with no bleeding. I ran Pixel buddy and saw no dead pixels. the colors seem a bit washed out but i read somewhere(can't remember if it was this forum or another) that the cables that come with the monitor are terrible and buying new cables can improve the colors of the monitor greatly, anyone here have experience with that?

anyways for the price i think its a great monitor.. its the first LCD i've had and im not sure how much the backlight bleeding will bother me but Futureshop will do a full refund up to 14 days after purchase if its opened, so i've got some time to decide.

- Otis

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Serversphere

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30 Dec 2006, 2:34am

I just picked up this monitor at Circuit City - they have it on their website at $364 USD with free shipping. I elected to pick it up at the local store. Nice and big, very bright. No dead pix - alas, I do have the bleeding problem as well. Very light at the top and bottom, none to the right, but the left is a little bigger. Playing dark games thus far has not been disappointing, though I do find myself checking it out more because I read about the issue here.

Overall, a nice deal - can't beat it with a stick at $364.99!

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davexnet

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30 Dec 2006, 5:25am

Hello all, picked mine up at CC the day after thanksgiving.

I set up the screen with a black background to check the bleed, and
it's very little. Not enough to bother me.
I'm more interested in getting the best color from it, and for now, I've
set the color temp to "warm" and reduced the brightness and contrast.

I may try one of their applications later - MagicTune. Anybody tried it?

One thing I noticed, I'm not sure if it's a property of LCD's in general
(this is my first LCD) - it seems related to viewing angel.

The monitor is straight, it's in front of me with center of the monitor
roughly at, or slightly below eye level. If I lower my head, the top few inches
of the monitor get darker.
On the otherhand, if I raise my head past the center point, the bottom of the
screen remains uniform. What's happening?
Cheers,
Dave

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davexnet

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30 Dec 2006, 7:32am

Another quirk - I tried the MagicTune utility. Regarding the monitor
calibration and the adjustable gamma swatches - moving your head just
an inch or two in either direction (up or down) throws the whole adjustment out.

Unfortunately, the computer nook I'm using is a little too high. I'm not in
the recommended position (according to the manual). That is eye
level at, or slightly above, the top of the monitor. Mine is 3 or 4 inches
below. Seems to be causing a world of problems.
Dave

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Jayff

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2 Jan 2007, 3:15pm

Hi there. Great forum....

I recently recieved a Samsung SyncMaster 225BW LCD for Xmas... and had a hell of a time getting the color and brightness to an acceptable level. I laughed when I saw the post above mentioning sunburn; I was wondering the same thing.

Once adjusted, it seems to be fine... with the exception of the bleed. I game a lot, and frequently have dark images on the screen... the bleed is going to make me nuts.

Do you think Samsung will consider an exchange for one without a bleed issue?

Regards,

Jay

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2 Jan 2007, 3:36pm

Just like many other companies, It never hurts to ask...

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OtisBF

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6 Jan 2007, 6:09pm

Now that I've had the 225BW for a while here I am again. I'm really trying to just get used to the backlight bleed but it's tough. It's also getting worse, it had 0 bleed on the edges when I first got it but now it's starting to look more like the photo in the review here on shortmedia. It doesn't actually bother me too much during movies but during dark games it's pretty terrible. I emailed Samsung asking about an exchange for one with 0 bleed or at least very minimal bleed but have yet to recieve a response. I'll post again when they do respond with what they say.

- Otis

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csimon

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6 Jan 2007, 6:11pm

I've got brightness turned down to 75% and contrast down to 50%. It's not so bad really.

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Carterb

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9 Jan 2007, 7:16pm

I saw in a customer review on Newegg that some people were saying that the refresh rate is only 60hz! Then I read somewhere else that 60hz on a DVI-D cable is much different then 60hz on a VGA cable, truth? But why don't they have more options? Other 22" have faster refresh rates with either cables, this is the only thing stopping me from buying one. Any info would be much appreciated.

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Thrax

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9 Jan 2007, 7:33pm

LCDs don't have refresh rates at all. It's 60Hz because Windows displays a refresh rate -- but it's not 0hz, not 10000000000hz, it's nothing.

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Carterb

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9 Jan 2007, 7:39pm

Thanks for the reply Thrax, unfortunately it makes little to no sense. Maybe you can elaborate a bit more on what you mean. Because people complain about not having the option to higher the refresh rate (on LCDs, check reviews at Newegg on 225BW) and considering I change mine on my LCD you�ve lost me. I have personally never noticed a difference, yet at the same time I have never kept mine on 60hz only 75hz, so I never could have accurately judge.

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Carterb

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9 Jan 2007, 7:43pm

Quoting OtisBF

Now that I've had the 225BW for a while here I am again. I'm really trying to just get used to the backlight bleed but it's tough. It's also getting worse, it had 0 bleed on the edges when I first got it but now it's starting to look more like the photo in the review here on shortmedia. It doesn't actually bother me too much during movies but during dark games it's pretty terrible. I emailed Samsung asking about an exchange for one with 0 bleed or at least very minimal bleed but have yet to recieve a response. I'll post again when they do respond with what they say.

- Otis

Hi Otis, please update us on when the monitor manufacture date.

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9 Jan 2007, 7:48pm

Quoting Carterb

Thanks for the reply Thrax, unfortunately it makes little to no sense. Maybe you can elaborate a bit more on what you mean. Because people complain about not having the option to higher the refresh rate (on LCDs, check reviews at Newegg on 225BW) and considering I change mine on my LCD you�ve lost me. I have personally never noticed a difference, yet at the same time I have never kept mine on 60hz only 75hz, so I never could have accurately judge.

A refresh rate is for CRTs and CRTs only. The refresh rate is how quickly the screen can be coated with electrons (Refreshed) via a CRT's electron gun to provide new frames per second in whatever you're doing. CRTs literally spray electrically-charged particles at the backside of a glass pane.

LCDs, on the other hand, are effectively a liquid crystal sheet wedged against a metallic pane, both of which are sandwiched between pieces of "Glass." LCDs update their image for movement by running electricity through this metallic plate, which activates the liquid crystal element. The response time rating of LCDs, measured in milliseconds, is how quickly the entire liquid crystal sheet can be updated for a new image.

So, as you can see, LCDs have no refresh rate, because they don't use electrons to make the image.

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9 Jan 2007, 7:58pm

Hi Thrax,

Excellent response. Thanks much. So it seems the people listing 'only 60hz' as a con at Newegg are just paranoid. I honestly never saw a difference in 60hz to 75hz but being unaware of these things I thought 'bigger was better'. Side from the bleed issue, which seems to be fixed in more recent manufactured models, it seems to be a solid display. One more question if you don't mind, what is the difference between say 6ms (GTG) and flat 6ms?

Can anyone recommend a high end DVI cable?

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9 Jan 2007, 8:20pm

A "Traditional" response time is how quickly a pixel can go from pure white, to black, and back to white. White to black is the "Rising response time," and black back to white is the "Falling response time." Traditionally, the average of the two is the rating we see. Every pixel in the display shares this average response time.

GTG response time represents the average value taken from several measurements of one grey shade to another. Only the time from starting grey to end grey is being measured but not how long it takes to go back to the original grey value. Thusly, only the "Rising response time" is calculated, and it's not truly the rising response. Unfortunately, every manufacturer has a different way to measure the GTG time, which can lead to poor advertisement, but more often than not, outlandish claims are avoided because they'd get torn apart by the internet. GTG response times, despite all the inaccuracy, are pretty decent measurements, if only because full light -> dark -> light is a very unrealistic scenario for day-to-day LCD work.

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10 Jan 2007, 12:18am

Most LCD's nowadays have a response time of 8ms. A few manufacturers have monitors that do 2ms (Viewsonic's VX922 19" LCD for example), as well as 4 and 6ms.

There are a few monitors on NewEgg that also do response times of 12ms or higher. Do not get these monitors as these are older technology (I think, not sure). But it seems these few slower monitors are 17" or smaller.

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OtisBF

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10 Jan 2007, 4:37pm

Quoting Carterb

Hi Otis, please update us on when the monitor manufacture date.

the date the monitor was made? I have no idea where to look to find that information. It's not anywhere on the box that I can see, I'll have to look for the book that came with it.

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10 Jan 2007, 4:59pm

changing the refresh rate on LCDs does nothing. There is no "refresh" on an LCD. The image is solid. There is a light bulb behind the screen and the screen is static until it is told to change.

With CRTs, there is a refresh because the electron gun "moves" - it draws the screen from bottom to top according to the refresh rate - 60 times per second if the setting is 60hz.

If you "see a difference" when you change the refresh rate on your LCD, it's all in your head. They don't refresh.

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11 Jan 2007, 4:03am

Quoting OtisBF

the date the monitor was made? I have no idea where to look to find that information. It's not anywhere on the box that I can see, I'll have to look for the book that came with it.

Look at the back of the monitor. There is a sticker on the back that will tell you the serial number, date of manufacture, revision number and a few other things.

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OtisBF

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11 Jan 2007, 4:19am

Quoting danball1976

Look at the back of the monitor. There is a sticker on the back that will tell you the serial number, date of manufacture, revision number and a few other things.

thank you, My 225BW was manufactured in November 2006, and the backlight bleed is really bad, it's only gotten worse since i got it.

I got a response from Samsung to my question about exchanging my monitor for a new one without backlight bleed and they told me I have to do it through the store I bought it from. I havn't had a chance to talk to futureshop yet but once they're 14 day return period is over i'm fairly certain they'll tell me they can't do anything and I have to go through the manufacturer. however; I havn't talked to them yet so anything could happen. I'll post again after i get further along in the process.

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DerekABQ

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28 Jan 2007, 4:39am

If LCD's dont have a refresh rate, why do you get tearing? I am an avid flight sim'er and beta tester for Eagle Dynamics (Lock On Modern Air Combat), and I get pretty noticable tearing.

Also, I love this panel, I come from a 21" trinitron that the contrast was going crap on, and it just had other issues including size.

I am not a master at the color setup, but one thing that helped a lot IMO, was in the nVidia control panel, I changes some gamma curve from 1.0 to 0.7.

It probably can be tuned a whole lot better. I havent even checked this backlight leakage, I will get my manufactured date and stuff up when I get home, at work ATM.

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DerekABQ edited : 28 Jan 2007 at 4:48am .

styx

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7 May 2007, 10:38pm

I just bought a 225BW manufactured in February 2007, and it does have some backlight bleed.

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