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Ten reasons why I will not buy the Star Wars Complete Saga

AlexDeGruvenAlexDeGruven Not as tall as Bobby Tallbeer. Twilight Sparkle is overrated.Meechigan Icrontian
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  • KwitkoKwitko Sheriff of Banning (Retired) By the thing near the stuff Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    The NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! is reason enough for me.
  • BandrikBandrik Elkhart, IN Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Good opinion piece. I can only imagine what the trolls will whip up for the double-take of the infamous "NOOOOOOOOO!"

    Actually, I welcome the impending memes. They are well deserved.
  • AlexDeGruvenAlexDeGruven Not as tall as Bobby Tallbeer. Twilight Sparkle is overrated. Meechigan Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Total roflcopter at Nicole's sketch. Fantastic work.
  • Gate28Gate28 Orlando, Florida Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    I'm in the same boat. I liked the re-cuts enough that they didn't ruin the movie for me and I like the prequels, but when I saw that Lucas added the "NOOOOO" into Return Of The Jedi, I decided I didn't want that anymore.

    I wish they would fix when Obi-wan calls Darth Vader "Darth" in A New Hope, I mean, he says Vader enough times, can't they just pull it out of context and put it there? It's such an obvious inconsistency, unless Darth was intended to be his first name at the time.
  • ThraxThrax Professional Shill, Pokémaster, Watch Slut Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
  • trooster89trooster89 Member
    edited Sep 2011
    Well put. Its a shame Lucas has alienated the original films and fans which made the series what it is today.
  • edited Sep 2011
    They will pry my THX laser disc editions of the original trilogy from my cold dead hands. (and promptly sell them for 25 cents at the estate sale)
  • AlexDeGruvenAlexDeGruven Not as tall as Bobby Tallbeer. Twilight Sparkle is overrated. Meechigan Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Interesting fact I discovered while working on this article related to the Laser Disc release:

    The masters used for the 2006 bonus "Original" edition are hacked up versions of the laser disc sources. I didn't get into that in the article, but that would probably be reason #12 of why I wouldn't buy this (even though they're not included in The Complete Saga).
  • primesuspectprimesuspect HumanGarbageDisposal Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    I had the laser disc of Empire Strikes Back. Loved that thing. Flip the disc mid-movie.
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! SoCal Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    I just picked up the original trilogy on VHS a few weeks ago at the swap meet. It's the 1992 trilogy release. I can't wait to get a VCR hooked up.

    -Digi
  • CrazyJoeCrazyJoe Winter Springs, FL Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    What's all this hubabalo about some silly Star Wars stuff... Lucas made the movies, he can do whatever he wants with them... Plus its Star Wars, who really cares about Star Wars?
  • StarmanStarman Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    I'll never understand why Lucas wants to destroy any artistic merit Star Wars has. Every decision further cheapens the series.
  • StarmanStarman Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Crazy Joe said:
    What's all this hubabalo about some silly Star Wars stuff... Lucas made the movies, he can do whatever he wants with them...
    While he may be legally entitled to do whatever he wants with them, the fact remains that he created some great things despite himself. A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back either prove that even an incompetent artist can create something great, or they're the products of those working around Lucas who made great something that would have otherwise been lackluster. There's also the possibility that Lucas was once good at things, but then went insane.

    There's also the matter of the intentional fallacy. Basically, it doesn't matter what the author says his work is about. It's about what it's about.
  • ThraxThrax Professional Shill, Pokémaster, Watch Slut Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Don't succumb to the troll. Obvious troll is obvious.
  • CrazyJoeCrazyJoe Winter Springs, FL Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Actually it's not a troll. I've not seen any of the prequels and have only seen bits and pieces of the original trilogy in passing... I guess I'm just not a fan of Star Wars... I do believe that Lucas has the right to do whatever he wants with his films, just as anyone has the rights to hate him for it...
  • Cliff_ForsterCliff_Forster Baltimore, MD Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    First, this is an extremely well written and thought out piece. I enjoyed it, a fantastic read.

    That said, I know very few people who care more about Star Wars than I do, trust me, I really love these films. Empire is the finest film ever made, I pop them all in with some regularity. I can have hours of debate on Plagueis and Sidious spawning Anakin. I'm passionate enough about the story to say if I'm miffed about one thing its the stupid midi chlorians count thing they introduced in the prequels. How lame, you have the force, its driven by faith, or at least it is according to Yoda, nope, faith has less to do with it than Biology.... Seriously.... We take a beautiful idea, one that lives in the imagination of the viewer, it has some mystery then we go and reduce it to a blood test?

    That said, yelling Nooooooo poorly, or having Greedo get a shot off, it's not really that big of a deal. Do they really do that much to hamper the mythology? Seriously, Han's deep character development was somehow burdened by Greedo getting a shot off? It's just not that big a deal. The Ewok nub nub song, yeah, that is pretty epic and it should be restored to its original glory, but it's okay. Look guys, for years all I heard was how awful Jedi was in comparison to the others because of the Ewok's, Lucas cuts one minute of them from the film it then equals fanboy rage. Lucas can't win. Ewoks in, too cute, a marketing cash grab, OMG they should have been Wookies, take them out, oh, where is my Nub Nub tune? Lucas is screwed either way. Also, Jar Jar, I've said it before, I'll say it again, it's for eight year old boys, they love him. Watch Star Wars Episode I again in a theater full of children, they love Jar Jar, they laugh till they blow soda pop out their nose. Not everything is for us, and its okay. Star Wars at its core is an eight year old boys fantasy, and it's exactly as it should be.

    You know what's next? With the power of Blu Ray we will get Star Wars, the viewers cut! Pick whatever additions and subtractions you want prior to watching and have the disk go through the scenes as you see fit and for about $200, and people will pay for it yet again! Lucas, if you market this, I want my cut!

    Anyhow, guys, it's Star Wars any way you slice it. Its still the most innovative and beautiful work in the history of fantasy film-making. It still at its core is a fantasy to allow you to drift off to a magic place and let your imagination roam care free. It was never meant to be taken this seriously.
  • StarmanStarman Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Cliff_Forster said:
    That said, yelling Nooooooo poorly, or having Greedo get a shot off, it's not really that big of a deal. Do they really do that much to hamper the mythology?
    Art is as much form as substance. The material in the mythology is important, but so is the presentation--the storytelling. It does cheapen the character.
  • PirateNinjaPirateNinja Mountains Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    With all that being said ... this is business. Lucas knows the value of the original unedited and he will release that too, some day, at a premium. He's milking this business like a champ.

    Until then, do what I did, and get the unedited original DVD set if you really have to. Honestly, I never watch them. I've seen all the originals a zillion times just like all you other loyal awesome nerds.

    Let's save our money and stress for IRAs and such instead.
  • StarmanStarman Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    That's true, it is a business. I wonder, then, if something can qualify as art if is subject to the whims of business. If the product is altered to increase revenue, it clearly isn't conforming to an artistic vision. Maybe the original was so great because he didn't expect commercial success?
  • PirateNinjaPirateNinja Mountains Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Starman said:
    That's true, it is a business. I wonder, then, if something can qualify as art if is subject to the whims of business. If the product is altered to increase revenue, it clearly isn't conforming to an artistic vision. Maybe the original was so great because he didn't expect commercial success?
    That's why most artists aren't famous until after they die. Art is what you perceive it to be. It coexists with the laws of economics. It's up to you to make it what you want it to be. :)
  • Cliff_ForsterCliff_Forster Baltimore, MD Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Starman said:
    Art is as much form as substance. The material in the mythology is important, but so is the presentation--the storytelling. It does cheapen the character.
    First off, I know my reputation on here, so let me get this out of the way, honest to god, not stirring it for fun (trollin), I'm being 100% sincere.

    I think you may be letting your passion get the best of you (nothing wrong with that by the way).

    Here is how I see it. Han is still a scruffy nerf herder, a smuggler, a wise ass, and the kinda guy that digs ladies with really bizarre hair styles. He is still everything he was weather Greedo gets a shot off or not. I get what Lucas was going for, he wanted to make it look more like Han was in danger, he had to defend himself. Who is to say that is not more consistent with the character? Even at that, if its not in your interpretation, how much does it matter? Han still caps Greedo's ass. He still abandon's his friends when he is paid to then have a change of heart, turn around so he could help "blow this thing and go home". Nothing changes. Han is still Han. We all have been making a really big deal out of nothing.
  • StarmanStarman Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    I didn't think you were trolling, I think we just disagree on this matter.

    I don't mean to suggest that Han is ruined as a character by the change with Greedo, just lessened. The old scene suggested a cut-throat survivalist, where the new one shows a good-guy who just has fast reflexes. As mentioned already in this thread, there's less development to be had in a good-guy who is already a good-guy. The transformation from rogue to hero is less present because there's less rogue in him. That's my take on it.
  • pseudonympseudonym Michigan Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    You were right... Just replace Luke with your name.



  • fatcatfatcat Mizzou Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    people still watch these?

    I figured they just collect dust like the Matrix trilogy

    if you are pissed Lucas changed HIS movies, just don't get them. pull out the VCR and watch the horribad CGI of the originals on your 60" TV ;)

    Everyone knows the real issue was making|releasing episodes I-III, and totally ruining Episodes IV-VI for us all
  • BasilBasil Nubcaek IREEELAND Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
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    edited Sep 2011
    im sorry really i am but enough with the starwars bitching ok sounds like ur deep down a trekkie then anything ok so he is changin somethings its the full story that we all grew up that counts if i had the money i would get it cus i always had and will love theses movies
  • AlexDeGruvenAlexDeGruven Not as tall as Bobby Tallbeer. Twilight Sparkle is overrated. Meechigan Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
  • BobbyDigiBobbyDigi ? R U #Hats ! SoCal Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
  • UPSLynxUPSLynx The Dean of Computer Graphics Redwood City, CA Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    The sound and video restoration issues are particularly frustrating considering the fact that George started ILM and Skywalker Sound strictly to improve the quality of such things in film.

    You know, I was going to buy this release. I don't own the films in any capacity (not even VHS) and I had waited for a decent release. I was even going to forgive the needless additions.

    The NOOOOOOO added to Jedi was the final nail in the coffin for me. This makes me rage so hard. I don't care what Cherplunka says (she argues that he's Anakin again, therefore OK), Vader's silent betrayal of the Emperor is one of the most emotional impacting points of the three films. As Vader looks back and forth in silence, you have no clue how he's going to react to the situation. Your mind fills in the blanks. It's powerful, and adding the slow NOOOOOO neuters the scene entirely.

    What is wrong with George Lucas? Seriously, what has happened to his brain?
  • PirateNinjaPirateNinja Mountains Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
  • UPSLynxUPSLynx The Dean of Computer Graphics Redwood City, CA Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    pseudonym said:





    Man. The goosebumps I get from watching this scene.
  • edited Sep 2011
    PirateNinja has it pretty much nailed, but I'd like to add to the general discussion (purely as a personal observation): Han is called "Scruffy looking" by Leia,not scruffy.....;)
    Geez, Louise, I love it when Fan Boys argue......
  • AlexDeGruvenAlexDeGruven Not as tall as Bobby Tallbeer. Twilight Sparkle is overrated. Meechigan Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Cliff_Forster said:
    Also, Jar Jar, I've said it before, I'll say it again, it's for eight year old boys, they love him. Watch Star Wars Episode I again in a theater full of children, they love Jar Jar, they laugh till they blow soda pop out their nose. Not everything is for us, and its okay.
    My real issue with JarJar is that he doesn't fit with any other Gungan you see throughout the rest of the prequels. If he was (and I risk sounding profoundly insensitive and not politically correct here, but...) quite frankly less retarded and didn't sound like a neutered Michael Jackson with an IQ of 14, I wouldn't have had nearly as much issue with him. I thoroughly enjoyed all the rest of the Gungans in Phantom Menace, particularly Boss Nass.
  • ThraxThrax Professional Shill, Pokémaster, Watch Slut Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    I would contend that if both adults and children like the original trilogy, then a character like Jarjar is not only unnecessary, but thematically inconsistent.
  • Cliff_ForsterCliff_Forster Baltimore, MD Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Loving this discussion.

    Can we add a poll here? I'm really curious how many plan on buying vs. who does not for the reasons listed in the article. For science!
  • ardichokeardichoke Buttes Master B Lansing, MI Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    This whole conversation has inspired me to buy Star Wars.... the individual 2-disc DVD versions that included the original, unedited movie on the 2nd disc. Then I'm going to shred the discs with the "new and improved" movies on them. (Or probably not)
  • AlexDeGruvenAlexDeGruven Not as tall as Bobby Tallbeer. Twilight Sparkle is overrated. Meechigan Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Don't do that. The original cuts that are included are mastered from 1993 telecine tapes that were also used for the US LaserDisc release. Not even DVD quality.
  • PirateNinjaPirateNinja Mountains Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    ardichoke said:
    This whole conversation has inspired me to buy Star Wars.... the individual 2-disc DVD versions that included the original, unedited movie on the 2nd disc. Then I'm going to shred the discs with the "new and improved" movies on them. (Or probably not)
    Ya that's the same set I have that I mentioned earlier in the thread. It get's the job done, quality is way better than the recorded from TNT extended length VHS copies we all grew up on. It gets the job done, and apparently now it sells used for $80. Too funny.
    http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Harrison-Ford/dp/B001EN71DG
  • AlexDeGruvenAlexDeGruven Not as tall as Bobby Tallbeer. Twilight Sparkle is overrated. Meechigan Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Part of the problem with the whole situation is that copyright law has been so twisted and bastardized. The original release, assuming the copyright date follows the release date, of A New Hope runs out of copyright protection very soon under the old laws. The new laws pretty much allow Lucas and Lucasfilm, Ltd to retain the rights in perpetuity.

    Under the old law, an individual could obtain a copy of the original prints and do whatever they wanted, including releasing their own version of the film.
  • PirateNinjaPirateNinja Mountains Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    AlexDeGruven said:
    Part of the problem with the whole situation is that copyright law has been so twisted and bastardized. The original release, assuming the copyright date follows the release date, of A New Hope runs out of copyright protection very soon under the old laws. The new laws pretty much allow Lucas and Lucasfilm, Ltd to retain the rights in perpetuity.

    Under the old law, an individual could obtain a copy of the original prints and do whatever they wanted, including releasing their own version of the film.
    Wut? Copyrights in the US provide 70 years of "economic" rights after the death of the owner at which point they become public domain.

    Edit: I was wrong, it's 70 years not 50.
    Edit2:
    "In the case of an anonymous work, a pseudonymous work, or a work made for hire, the copyright endures for a term of 95 years from the year of its first publication, or a term of 120 years from the year of its creation, whichever expires first. "
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/302.html
  • ThraxThrax Professional Shill, Pokémaster, Watch Slut Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Might want to research how it became 70 years, or 120 years anonymously.
  • PirateNinjaPirateNinja Mountains Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Thrax said:
    Might want to research how it became 70 years, or 120 years anonymously.
    Didn't mean to throw this thread in a weird direction, but are we talking about the 1976 vs 1998 copyright acts?
    Neither of them seem new to me, and I also don't understand which would make any of those films public domain any time soon.
  • KoreishKoreish KCMO Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    For the quarter of a person that hasn't seen these.
  • edited Sep 2011
    Reason #11 to not buy the Blue-ray release? It won't have this:




    (You're welcome.)
  • edited Sep 2011
    Koreish said:
    For the quarter of a person that hasn't seen these.
    They haven't done a Plinkett review in months. :\
  • CantiCanti =/= smalltime http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9K18CGEeiI&feature=related Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    I won't buy it because it's not this

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  • BandrikBandrik Elkhart, IN Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    Canti said:
    I won't buy it because it's not this
    What, you mean this?

    image

    Disclaimer: while trolling, I did enjoy the new Star Trek reboot movie. Deal with it.
  • CantiCanti =/= smalltime http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9K18CGEeiI&feature=related Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    The original Star Trek is awful. As such I haven't seen the movie, but I hear it's good.
  • StarmanStarman Icrontian
    edited Sep 2011
    You haven't seen the 2009 movie because the 60s series was bad? FLAWLESS VICTORY.
  • edited Sep 2011
    I too don't like any of the changes he made, the NOOOO, the ewok eyes, everything was unnecessary. But I probably will still buy the blu-ray 9-cd edition, because of the extra stuff they've added, the never before seen, deleted/alternate scenes, commentaries, parodies, the making of star wars, behind the scenes, etc, all the good stuff. I'll but it so that at least I will have an HD widescreen crystal-clear quality blu-ray copy of the saga, even though with the edits they made, and who knows they'll only sell them for a certain time. Or maybe because I've never had a hard copy of the movies, I have the 1997 and 2004 reissues along with the original unaltered theatrical trilogy on my hard disk, downloaded from torrent. I know all of the true fans don't like the stuff they put in the original trilogy, I know that I don't. But c'mon this should be every fan's dream! To have the complete saga on blu-ray, hd, crystal-clear quality, the last of the star wars hard copies there will ever be! Well what if they will never really make HD copies of the original unaltered trilogy? At least you have the blu-ray, and even if you don't like it, as a fan, you should still buy it, at least for the record! It's like a collector's item, know what I'm sayin'? I'd totally but it, not because I like the shit they added to the movies, but because of the extra stuff, and for the record that I have the saga on blu-ray, the last ever version there will ever be, it's not that I like the empire, I hate it, but there's nothing I can do about it right now. And who knows that it's really not that bad, and that there are a lot more surprises to it, you'll never know, unless you buy it, which I'm gonna do, and I know that I will not regret it, I actually can't wait for the release.
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