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Mancunian

Icrontic Duke of Haxor

199 Posts

24 Mar 2005, 3:50pm

Mancunian (Nick - UK) Joins Team 93!

Hi Everyone

Thank you to whoever it was who sent me the info and the invitation to join. I was unaware of this project but it sounds excellent and I like the sound of the community/team spirit etc very much too. So I've done it right away. Just finished installing. I understand the basics of the program as I already run Gomez Peer, which does a similar job but for web site testing for $$$. I've been doing that for a few years and whilst it doesn't make me an overnight millionaire, it does put a few pennies in my Paypal for me every couple of months. Anyway the point is that this program sounds very similar, although naturally with different aims - points and prestige/fun rather than $$ but that's fine. Other than that, I'm very much a whitehorn around here. Still learning and hoping to make some new friends/contacts soon so just wanted to post and let you folks know that I'm now on the team and hopefully help get you back into the Top 10 where you/we deserve to be!!!

Take care for now
Nick (Manchester UK)

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Buddy J

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24 Mar 2005, 3:55pm

Welcome to the team. We've got a substantial UK contingent here so please feel right at home.

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TBonZ

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24 Mar 2005, 4:01pm

Welcome to the Team Nick! If we can help with anything at all, please don't be shy.

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Lincoln

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24 Mar 2005, 4:37pm

Great to have you here, Nick! Thanks for introducing yourself

Check out the "New to the Team?" sticky in this forum. There's some stuff in there you might be interested in

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dragonV8

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24 Mar 2005, 4:41pm

Quoting Buddy Jesus

Welcome to the team. We've got a substantial UK contingent here so please feel right at home.

Yes......Welcome to Team 93 Mancunian.

Not only members from the UK but there are Aussie convicts here as well.

Actually, the members here just about cover the globe, from both the Southern and Northern hemisphere.

Sure makes things interesting at times.

LD on.

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CyrixInstead

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24 Mar 2005, 4:44pm

Hey welcome to the Team Nick!!! I'm from Stoke myself, working in Stockport. There's bothered and Shorty who both live in Manchester, Necropolis in Liverpool, PressX, Spinner, Jimborae... the list runs on so there's plenty of us guys on the site.

Get yourself a nice folding sig too and show everyone your stats

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RADA

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24 Mar 2005, 4:45pm

Always glad to make new friends from across the pond!

Welcome! Glad to have you with us!

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primesuspect

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24 Mar 2005, 5:51pm

Welcome aboard!

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mmonnin

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25 Mar 2005, 5:03am

Welcome to the Team man.

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profdlp

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25 Mar 2005, 6:09am

Keep an eye on the Milestone Forum. Once you hit 1,000 points you'll be honored with each additional level you reach. You're teammates will see (and cheer on) your progress as you keep moving up the ladder.

Welcome aboard!

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bothered

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25 Mar 2005, 7:26am

Hi Nick and welcome. That makes at least three of us from Manchester. It's a S-M hotspot.

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Gareth

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25 Mar 2005, 9:16am

Welcome Nick. There are some of us in Wales as well.

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QCH

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25 Mar 2005, 2:50pm

Welcome Nick. Make yourself at home.

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MrNiceGuy

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25 Mar 2005, 2:53pm

Welcome

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Mancunian

Icrontic Duke of Haxor

199 Posts

25 Mar 2005, 10:40pm

Hi Guys ... WOW what a wonderful welcome from you all. I'm overwhelmed I have to say but wonderful to find so many kind, friendly and supportive people in here. I'm glad I decided to join the team! Too many to address individually but hope you will take this to include 'you' whoever you are!

Nice to see so many from Manchester too. That's nice.

Finally for now, I WILL check up on that sticky because whilst I know what this is all about generally, I still don't understand many aspects of this - like the score etc. I'm currently processing quite a large file or whatever you call it - a 3 day jobbie so not sure how that will convert to a score once it completes tomorrow (Saturday) so will be interesting to see and hope the sticky will enlighten me somewhat. Also, Cyrix, I like the idea of having a nice sig showing my score etc like I notice many of you have. Hope that sticky will tell me how to do that and I'll get it sorted but might need a helping hand with that so if you want to drop me a quick line sometime and tell me how then that would be very welcome. BTW what is the green WP one you have there too? Is that because you're in two teams or a different/similar thing to short-media's folding scheme?

Ok I'll leave it there for now. Once again thank you SO much everyone for such a wonderful welcome and it's good to join the party!

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TBonZ

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3,460 Posts

25 Mar 2005, 11:22pm

Hi Nick, you can find the signature generator here... http://www.teamshort-media.com/stats/generator/

You will have to wait until your first WU is complete before your name will show up in the user list.

I think the green sig you're referring to is a custom jobby by Cyrix. I'm sure if you wanted to use it for yours, he would be more then happy to accomodate you.

There are many existing styles to choose from already. The cool thing is you may add your own custom banner as well. Once you get what you want, hit, generate code and copy the code into your sig area in the usercp. If you need help, we will surely give you a hand.

By the WU your describing, I'd say it's could be worth anywhere between 300 and 600 points, hopefully 600.

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MrNiceGuy

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26 Mar 2005, 7:38pm

Between 300 and 600 points?! I've never had one of those as far as I can tell by my frequent EM III readings on my boxes. Biggest are 236 points or so. am I being "unlucky" or is there some steps one can take to get them? (my greed for points shine through a bit

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mmonnin

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26 Mar 2005, 8:38pm

Most of those are enabled with 'Large WUs'. They take longer and are worth more points.

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MrNiceGuy

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26 Mar 2005, 9:03pm

Huh? Where do I enable that then?

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mmonnin

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26 Mar 2005, 9:36pm

When setting up the client. You have to say yes to advance options. Then there is a question to run large WUs.

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primesuspect

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27 Mar 2005, 8:40am

Well Mancunian, it's official. You're on the boards now... You've got nowhere to go but UP

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Donut

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27 Mar 2005, 12:20pm

Congrats on your first of many work units!

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Siggy

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28 Mar 2005, 4:06am

Congrats Mancunian!

Spent 5 years in Manchester! Still drying out!!!!

all the best M8

well done

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csimon

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29 Mar 2005, 5:08pm

Welcome to team 93 Mancunian (Nick - UK)!

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Mancunian

Icrontic Duke of Haxor

199 Posts

30 Mar 2005, 2:59pm

Quoting TBonZ

By the WU your describing, I'd say it's could be worth anywhere between 300 and 600 points, hopefully 600.

Hi TBonZ. You'll notice I found the sig generator you mentioned and have created my own. Looks nice I think. Only thing puzzling me at the moment is my score. I started using F@H last Thursday or Friday (can't remember offhand exactly) and went away. My first WU was due to complete on the Saturday morning in the early hours, which I noticed it had. It had also done ANOTHER WU and started a longer 3rd one, which has now completed. My score after the first one (3 or 4 days which I'd worked out approx to be around 300 to 450 as you know) ended up being around 280 odd. Now on my 4th WU and as you'll see, not hit 600 yet. Don't get me wrong, not doing it for that but it is part and parcel and being a competitive guy, was just wondering if everything looks/seems ok to you? Quite a lot of people have been doing this for some considerable time judging from their scores/rankings so maybe someone can give me some insight please? As I understand it from reading the forums/FAQ etc, you get 110 points multiplied by the number of days the WU takes to complete, yes? I would have expected at LEAST 330 for the first WU but maybe it sped up somehow when I wasn't doing other stuff on the computer so maybe that's why?!

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Mancunian

Icrontic Duke of Haxor

199 Posts

30 Mar 2005, 3:06pm

Quoting primesuspect

Well Mancunian, it's official. You're on the boards now... You've got nowhere to go but UP

Wow I didn't know about that site/URL. Looks pretty good. I'm impressed. Still not QUITE sure how I only got those points for the first WU but never mind, I can live with it.

I wondered how all you guys knew I'd completed the first WU too. Guess that's where/how. I never found out till I got home on Monday.

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mmonnin

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30 Mar 2005, 3:22pm

You have completed 3 WUs:

P1132 - 241 points
P1136 - 241 points
P1275 - 46 points

You are good to go.

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profdlp

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30 Mar 2005, 7:10pm

Quoting Mancunian

...was just wondering if everything looks/seems ok to you? Quite a lot of people have been doing this for some considerable time judging from their scores/rankings so maybe someone can give me some insight please?

Your progress looks fine. I've got machines ranging from an old Athlon 850 to a brand new A64 3500+. Each of them shows fluctuations in points per day with different WU's. In other words, if one WU works out to an average of 250 points/day that doesn't mean that the next one will be the same.

Over the last two months I've had weeks where I fell just below 5,000 points on the low end, to above 7,200 points on the high end. The type of WU's Stanford doles out varies, but since everyone is in the same boat it averages out over the long run.

The best thing to do is just let it run for a few weeks and see what your daily average looks like.

...maybe it sped up somehow when I wasn't doing other stuff on the computer...

That is definitely a factor. Folding uses spare CPU cycles. The more you are using your computer, the less there is to spare. At the moment, I have my email program and two browser windows open. Folding still has 98% of my machine left to work with. If I were to pop in a resource intensive game or do some video rendering, then Folding would have to settle for beggar's luck.

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Mancunian

Icrontic Duke of Haxor

199 Posts

30 Mar 2005, 10:16pm

Quoting mmonnin

You have completed 3 WUs:

P1132 - 241 points
P1136 - 241 points
P1275 - 46 points

You are good to go.

Please can someone confirm something that seems to be the case if I've read the relevant stickies and FAQ etc properly, which I have tried to do. I was under the impression that scores were worked out by multiplying the number of days a WU took to process by 110. From what you say, mmonnin, and others, it would appear as if they are now issuing - if that's the right word? - points to a particular WU instead. If I'm right in this, and what you've just written would seem to confirm that, then the FAQ or the sticky that mentions that (believe it was on the Stamford FAQ site itself if memory serves?!) needs changing!

Whilst I'm at it, I was also reading somewhere earlier that there's a program somewhere that includes a score stat for each WU within the GU or something. I'm currently using the Windows client 5.03 version of F@H (Nov 2004) but if I can view the actual score somewhere else I wouldn't need to bother. Any thoughts/views on this please anyone using 5.03? What do you do?

Thanks again
Nick (Mancunian)

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Lincoln

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16,439 Posts

30 Mar 2005, 11:03pm

To my knowledge, the policy has always been a fixed amount of points for each type of work unit. I haven't seen that part of the FAQ myself.

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profdlp

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30 Mar 2005, 11:26pm

Quoting Mancunian

...I was under the impression that scores were worked out by multiplying the number of days a WU took to process by 110...

That refers to Stanford's reference machine. They have their computer crunch a WU, then calculate the WU value based on how much time it took.

As General Keebler said, WU's have a fixed point value. A computer significantly faster than Stanford's reference machine is going to average greater than 110/ppd; a slower computer will be less. I've gone through 600-Point WU's in under three days on my A64 3500+. My Athlon 850 takes well over a week.

As for monitoring you progress and WU value, many of us use the console version of the Folding client and monitor our progress with a program called EMIII. You'll want to wait until your current WU is finished should you decide to switch over. You can manually look up point values at this page.

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mmonnin

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31 Mar 2005, 2:31am

Yes points are assigned to each type of WU depending on long it takes to finish on a 2.8GHz P4 system. I dont remember if it has HT or not but I know it would only be with one process running.

I use EM3 and you can get that em-dc.com.

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Mancunian

Icrontic Duke of Haxor

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31 Mar 2005, 3:19am

Hi Guys. Thanks a lot for the info. Yes, I got the info and the impression re: scoring being worth 110 x days to process WUs from the Stamford F@H FAQ. It's very confusing. I just took another look ... "How do you determine how many points a work unit is worth? Before putting out any new work unit, we benchmark it on a dedicated 2.8GHz Pentium 4 machine with SSE2 disabled (more specifically, as reported by /proc/cpuinfo on linux: vendor_id : GenuineIntel, cpu family : 15, model : 2, model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz, stepping : 9, cpu MHz : 2806.438, cache size : 512 KB). This machine runs linux, so all WUs are benchmarked with the linux core.

We plug the results of this into the following formula:

points = 110 * (daysPerWU)

where daysPerWU is the number of days it took to complete the unit. This equation was chosen to match the points for previous Gromacs WUs to the previous point system. The upshot is that Tinker WUs will be worth more than before we set up the new points (i.e. before April 2004)."

But of course I can see now they're using it as the basis of this fixed 'score'.

And just for the record, I'm running a 2.4GHz P4 with 756Mb DDR Ram and my first WUs took about 3 days or so to complete a 24x pointer. Only running one setup of the folding client tho.

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bothered

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31 Mar 2005, 7:38am

How long do you leave the PC on?
I started leaving mine on 24-7 for the points, it makes a big difference.

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Mancunian

Icrontic Duke of Haxor

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31 Mar 2005, 12:07pm

Hi Bothered. Thanks for your message. Nice to hear from another Mancunian, even though I'm only resident here rather than born.

My PC stays on 24/7 and has done since the early 90s actually - goes back to the days I suppose when I ran a BBS, before the dawn of the Internet as the preferred means of mass communication. I sometimes play online poker and sometimes chat on messenger (Yahoo or MSN) but rarely push my PC to its limits unless I'm doing some video/DVD work or occasionally playing my game of Football Club Manager 2004. Gone off that a little recently but anyway decided that I could happily accommodate the folding program without interferring with the normal day to day stuff I do on the computer so unless something seriously goes wrong with it (hard disk crash has been known a couple of times) or my Internet connection gets lost, I keep it on all the time. As I have always had it like this, I don't have anything else to compare it to but like I explained earlier, I was under a miscomprehension to begin with - having totally misunderstood the way that the points were worked out. My own silly fault I guess but at least I understand it now.

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bothered

pondering and wandering along

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31 Mar 2005, 3:41pm

Quoting Mancunian

Hi Bothered. Thanks for your message. Nice to hear from another Mancunian, even though I'm only resident here rather than born.

No problem. Up here we accept anybody right off. Ask Shorty.

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PressX

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1 Apr 2005, 12:30am

Welcome - Nice to see more from the UK joining. Seems there is a large North West membership slant... Must be our warm hearts and generous pockets? Either that or we are all bloody mad...

We keep threating to have a UK LAN so keep popping back to the site and we may get around to it if any of us can find the time to sort it out!!

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Mancunian

Icrontic Duke of Haxor

199 Posts

1 Apr 2005, 10:12pm

Hey guys. How's everyone? Good I hope. Just came browsing looking for some banners and/or sigs to use in Emails. Am just signing up for a forum elsewhere (Manchester Event Volunteering to be precise) and thoght it would be great to use a team 93 f@h sig so anyone who wanted more info and/or to sign up could do so by clicking on it and going to the relevant site for the info, download etc but you know I couldn't find one. What gives? Does one exist and if so where is it please? If not how about it? If it exists any chance of a link somewhere easy to find to take us there please? This could be good for folding in general and the team in particular, couldn't it? I'm sure there must be something somewhere and I'm no Internet/computer greenhorn but I'm blowed if I can find anything. Please help!

Thanks.

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Mancunian

Icrontic Duke of Haxor

199 Posts

1 Apr 2005, 10:23pm

Hello again. Further to what I just said above, here's the kind of thing I mean ... just found it in another thread/part of the forum but this is ideal ... a nice looking banner specifically for the team taking them to a page with links to the program info, a download page, the forum link and so on. This is BRILLIANT and I'd have thought the kind of thing there should be more of (variants and sizes?) for people to put on their own web sites, email sigs and so on. Also other forums in their sigs, similar to this one. Surely there must be SOMETHING like that somewhere, mustn't there? If not why on earth not? If it is, PLEASE can a link be PROMINTENTLY posted where it may be found? I'd love to use the one at the bottom of THIS page .... http://www.joinfolding.com/index.htm but don't know how. Can't cut and paste it or see the HTML. So where did it come from? Why can't it be duplicated? I'm AMAZED ... but still believe it's just that I can't find 'em rather than they don't exist. Always been my problem ... too trusting!

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CyrixInstead

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1 Apr 2005, 10:25pm

Check out http://www.joinfolding.com/

Team 93 is the one to join, tell ppl that preferably the username should be CyrixInstead. However any username will do

To be honest I found that the sig generator has plenty of good banners for folding - obviously you've found it as you have a sig already...

Hmm or am I not getting your question right?

\Edit - Hmm I posted before your last post. But I do like the folding images on the sig generator - you could use one of them and have a link to joinfolding or even our own folding forum beginners thread.

~Cyrix

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mmonnin

Veteran Icrontian

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2 Apr 2005, 12:55am

Take the code from your own signature and put it into the other forum.

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Mancunian

Icrontic Duke of Haxor

199 Posts

2 Apr 2005, 10:09am

Hi mmonnin. Thanks for the suggestion but that's not really what I had in mind. Seeing my stats sig isn't really going to impart any info and to be frank, my HTML knowledge and understanding isn't really up to the job. I just went to have a look at the sig as it stands but it's too complicated. As I said, there's a great looking one at the bottom of http://www.joinfolding.com/index.htm but I can't find a way to either cut and paste it over or to see/view the HTML to copy it manually. I have to say I'm quite surprised this hasn't been thought of before - most sites have them for people to use on their own sites or in their email sigs etc for various things and yet all I can find is a button on Stamford's site without any links to the page and wouldn't lead anyone to our team either.

Does anyone know if there's a reason why nobody has created any of these? Is it nobody has thought of it or had time to do it or what? I'd offer myself if my HTML coding/programming was up to it but I'm afraid it's not. Just needs to be one like the one I suggested (and/or something similar) that's less than 250 characters but will be succinct and noticable enough that people will want to click on it and learn more. I've seen some where it looks like a black rectangle and you hover the mouse over it and it shows what it's all about but again I can't copy it or find out the HTML.

So am I being naive here and missing something fundamental or does anyone else agree with me this is something which could be REALLY useful for recruitment both to our team AND to folding@home in general?

Thoughts please guys n gals.

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dragonV8

RIP SM

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2 Apr 2005, 12:17pm

You will need an answer from the computer wizz's on most of what you asked.

However........You want to know about the black bit in my sig???

Ok, some time ago, one of S-M's gentleman came up with that one. (credit where credit is due, thanks Mondi

). If it wasn't for Mondi, i certainly would be none the wiser.

[spoiler My name is Nick and i fold for Team #93 as Mancunian . [/spoiler

All you need to do is put a square bracket at the end of each and put your choice of wording in. Do this at the bottom of your signature, if this is where you want it.

If i add the square brackets now, you will see it like this.

Spoiler (Mouseover to reveal)

My name is Nick and i fold for Team #93 as Mancunian .

Now go have some more fun.

LD ON.

Jon

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profdlp

Off To The Gym

21,407 Posts

2 Apr 2005, 5:48pm

If you can find a place to host the attached picture, I think I may have figured out how to do it. If and when you get the pic hosted somewhere send me a PM with the URL and I'll PM you back with what (I think!) will do what you want.

Attached Files

joinfoldingad.zip (8.8 KB, 11 views)

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Lincoln

Snapperhead

16,439 Posts

2 Apr 2005, 7:31pm

The pic is already hosted on joinfolding.com. Just leech it off of there.

This HTML code will universally work to make that pic show up anywhere that HTML is allowed:

PHP Code:


			
<img src="http://www.joinfolding.com/images/joinfoldingad.png" />

To get the web address of a pic: right-click and choose "Copy image location" in Firefox or "Properties" in IE.

To view the HTML code of a page: View -> Page Source (IE is just "Source")

Another note: That "Spoiler" thing is a custom hack on Short-Media. It won't work anywhere else. You'd need to custom-code it.

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profdlp

Off To The Gym

21,407 Posts

2 Apr 2005, 7:44pm

Quoting General Keebler

The pic is already hosted on joinfolding.com. Just leech it off of there...

Yowza! I think he also wants to make the pic a link to www.joinfolding.com as well.

Thanks, chum.

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mmonnin

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2 Apr 2005, 8:23pm

PHP Code:


			
<a href="http://www.joinfolding.com" target=_blank><img src="http://www.joinfolding.com/images/joinfoldingad.png" /></a>

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Lincoln

Snapperhead

16,439 Posts

2 Apr 2005, 8:27pm

Yup, that'd do it.

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profdlp

Off To The Gym

21,407 Posts

2 Apr 2005, 8:48pm

Spread the good word, Team!

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Mancunian

Icrontic Duke of Haxor

199 Posts

2 Apr 2005, 11:44pm

Hi Guys. Thanks a million for your help, suggestions and ideas. I really appreciate and yes, mmonnin, that's PERFECT and just what I had in mind so thank you for that. I'll add it to some of the sites which I use (Multiply, Friendster etc) and try to spread the word.

Hey General, up to you of course but how about adding it somewhere in one of the stickies or team pages for others to use, as I've suggested before? I'm sure I'm not the only one who uses other websites and forums and having it/them somewhere easy to find would be a good thing I think. What do you think?

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